Age of the Universe - 13.7 Billion years +/-, or not? ~ Conundrum ...

[Stryder50]

So, per the couple of excerpts to follow;
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In physical cosmology, the age of the universe is the time elapsed since the Big Bang. Today, astronomers have derived two different measurements of the age of the universe:[1] a measurement based on direct observations of an early state of the universe, which indicate an age of 13.787±0.020 billion years as interpreted with the Lambda-CDM concordance model as of 2018;[2] and a measurement based on the observations of the local, modern universe, which suggest a younger age.[3][4][5]
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Age of the universe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Before 1999, astronomers had estimated that the age of the universe was between 7 and 20 billion years. But with advances in technology and the development of new techniques we now know the age of the universe is 13.7 billion years, with an uncertainty of only 200 million years. How did this come to be?
....

Imagine the Universe!

This site is intended for students age 14 and up, and for anyone interested in learning about our universe.

imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov

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Now a light year is the distance light travels in an Earth year time, so one would think the most distant object is about 13.7 billion light years away.

However ...

Hubble sees most distant star ever, 28 billion light-years away​

...

The Hubble Space Telescope has glimpsed the most distant single star it's ever observed, glimmering 28 billion light-years away. And the star could be between 50 to 500 times more massive than our sun, and millions of times brighter.
...

MSN

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Here's the Conundrum;

At 28 billion light years away, this is over twice as old as the Universe.
OR ...
Light from this distant object has somehow found a way to travel faster than the speed of light, just over twice as fast. Yet science claims nothing can travel faster than light, especially light itself.

Inside the article text is this explanation;
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"When the light that we see from Earendel was emitted, the Universe was less than a billion years old; only 6% of its current age. At that time it was 4 billion lightyears away from the proto-Milky Way, but during the almost 13 billion years it took the light to reach us, the Universe has expanded so that it is now a staggering 28 billion lightyears away."
...
Which makes it sound that somehow the Universe has expanded faster than the speed of light.

Hmmm ????

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

So, per the couple of excerpts to follow;
...
In physical cosmology, the age of the universe is the time elapsed since the Big Bang. Today, astronomers have derived two different measurements of the age of the universe:[1] a measurement based on direct observations of an early state of the universe, which indicate an age of 13.787±0.020 billion years as interpreted with the Lambda-CDM concordance model as of 2018;[2] and a measurement based on the observations of the local, modern universe, which suggest a younger age.[3][4][5]
...

Age of the universe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Before 1999, astronomers had estimated that the age of the universe was between 7 and 20 billion years. But with advances in technology and the development of new techniques we now know the age of the universe is 13.7 billion years, with an uncertainty of only 200 million years. How did this come to be?
....

Imagine the Universe!

This site is intended for students age 14 and up, and for anyone interested in learning about our universe.

imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now a light year is the distance light travels in an Earth year time, so one would think the most distant object is about 13.7 billion light years away.

However ...

Hubble sees most distant star ever, 28 billion light-years away​

...

The Hubble Space Telescope has glimpsed the most distant single star it's ever observed, glimmering 28 billion light-years away. And the star could be between 50 to 500 times more massive than our sun, and millions of times brighter.
...

MSN

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here's the Conundrum;

At 28 billion light years away, this is over twice as old as the Universe.
OR ...
Light from this distant object has somehow found a way to travel faster than the speed of light, just over twice as fast. Yet science claims nothing can travel faster than light, especially light itself.

Inside the article text is this explanation;
...
"When the light that we see from Earendel was emitted, the Universe was less than a billion years old; only 6% of its current age. At that time it was 4 billion lightyears away from the proto-Milky Way, but during the almost 13 billion years it took the light to reach us, the Universe has expanded so that it is now a staggering 28 billion lightyears away."
...
Which makes it sound that somehow the Universe has expanded faster than the speed of light.

Hmmm ????

All Is Lava

Hubble's discovery proves that our universe is an eruption from another universe where the maximum velocity is c squared (a light-year every three minutes). The original material came in at that speed, which indicates that 28 billion years is inaccurate because it assumes that the original substance giving off light traveled at c.

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

How can you age something that is infinite, you don't know where it came from, how big it is, or if it was constructed or evolved on its own?

 

[Muhammed]

another universe

"Another universe" is a contradiction of terms. The prefix "uni" is the Latin term for one. So suggesting that there is more than one universe is just idiocy.

 

[Colin norris]

So, per the couple of excerpts to follow;
...
In physical cosmology, the age of the universe is the time elapsed since the Big Bang. Today, astronomers have derived two different measurements of the age of the universe:[1] a measurement based on direct observations of an early state of the universe, which indicate an age of 13.787±0.020 billion years as interpreted with the Lambda-CDM concordance model as of 2018;[2] and a measurement based on the observations of the local, modern universe, which suggest a younger age.[3][4][5]
...

Age of the universe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Before 1999, astronomers had estimated that the age of the universe was between 7 and 20 billion years. But with advances in technology and the development of new techniques we now know the age of the universe is 13.7 billion years, with an uncertainty of only 200 million years. How did this come to be?
....

Imagine the Universe!

This site is intended for students age 14 and up, and for anyone interested in learning about our universe.

imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now a light year is the distance light travels in an Earth year time, so one would think the most distant object is about 13.7 billion light years away.

However ...

Hubble sees most distant star ever, 28 billion light-years away​

...

The Hubble Space Telescope has glimpsed the most distant single star it's ever observed, glimmering 28 billion light-years away. And the star could be between 50 to 500 times more massive than our sun, and millions of times brighter.
...

MSN

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here's the Conundrum;

At 28 billion light years away, this is over twice as old as the Universe.
OR ...
Light from this distant object has somehow found a way to travel faster than the speed of light, just over twice as fast. Yet science claims nothing can travel faster than light, especially light itself.

Inside the article text is this explanation;
...
"When the light that we see from Earendel was emitted, the Universe was less than a billion years old; only 6% of its current age. At that time it was 4 billion lightyears away from the proto-Milky Way, but during the almost 13 billion years it took the light to reach us, the Universe has expanded so that it is now a staggering 28 billion lightyears away."
...
Which makes it sound that somehow the Universe has expanded faster than the speed of light.

Hmmm ????

It has been estimated it us expanding faster than light. In the outer edge of the universe galaxies are disappearing into nothing faster. In a million years, if we are still here, there will be no galaxies in sight. They left the local area.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Infinity contained in a microcosm.

Who said God couldn't perform miracles?

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[james bond]

All verifiable evidence indicates that the Earth is about 6,000 years old. We know this is true as the Bible backs it up.

The answer is it depends on where you are measuring the universe.

The creationists have constructed a number of models which explain the age of the universe as being affected by the time-warping effects of gravity as predicted by Einstein's General Theory of Relativity. With their model, the age of the universe can be measured by a hypothetical observer at the edge of the universe to around 14 billion years, but as measured by an observer on Earth, it would be around 6,000 years.[

 

[Batcat]

So, per the couple of excerpts to follow;
...
In physical cosmology, the age of the universe is the time elapsed since the Big Bang. Today, astronomers have derived two different measurements of the age of the universe:[1] a measurement based on direct observations of an early state of the universe, which indicate an age of 13.787±0.020 billion years as interpreted with the Lambda-CDM concordance model as of 2018;[2] and a measurement based on the observations of the local, modern universe, which suggest a younger age.[3][4][5]
...

Age of the universe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Before 1999, astronomers had estimated that the age of the universe was between 7 and 20 billion years. But with advances in technology and the development of new techniques we now know the age of the universe is 13.7 billion years, with an uncertainty of only 200 million years. How did this come to be?
....

Imagine the Universe!

This site is intended for students age 14 and up, and for anyone interested in learning about our universe.

imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now a light year is the distance light travels in an Earth year time, so one would think the most distant object is about 13.7 billion light years away.

However ...

Hubble sees most distant star ever, 28 billion light-years away​

...

The Hubble Space Telescope has glimpsed the most distant single star it's ever observed, glimmering 28 billion light-years away. And the star could be between 50 to 500 times more massive than our sun, and millions of times brighter.
...

MSN

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here's the Conundrum;

At 28 billion light years away, this is over twice as old as the Universe.
OR ...
Light from this distant object has somehow found a way to travel faster than the speed of light, just over twice as fast. Yet science claims nothing can travel faster than light, especially light itself.

Inside the article text is this explanation;
...
"When the light that we see from Earendel was emitted, the Universe was less than a billion years old; only 6% of its current age. At that time it was 4 billion lightyears away from the proto-Milky Way, but during the almost 13 billion years it took the light to reach us, the Universe has expanded so that it is now a staggering 28 billion lightyears away."
...
Which makes it sound that somehow the Universe has expanded faster than the speed of light.

Hmmm ????

There does seem to be a conundrum here.

I suspect we don’t know as much as we think we do.

 

[Stryder50]

There does seem to be a conundrum here.

I suspect we don’t know as much as we think we do.

If not a conundrum, than a contradiction of concepts regarding the speed of light (as a limit to speed in the universe) versus measuring something that appears to have happened more than twice the age of the universe in the past.

 

[Stryder50]

This might fit here;

Where did the Universe come from?​

To answer any physical question, you must ask the Universe itself. But what happens when the answers aren't around anymore?
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Where did the Universe come from?

To answer any physical question, you must ask the Universe itself. But what happens when the answers aren't around anymore?

bigthink.com

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There does seem to be a conundrum here.

Not at all. Go read up on the expansion of the universe. The disparity between the age of the universe and apparent distance to the oldest observable objects is not a mystery to scientists in the least. And it is actually not even a disparity.

In a nutshell, the expansion of space makes distant objects appear to recede away from us faster than the speed of light.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If not a conundrum, than a contradiction of concepts regarding the speed of light (as a limit to speed in the universe) versus measuring something that appears to have happened more than twice the age of the universe in the past.

Not at all. There is no contradiction. You just need to learn more about the expansion of the universe.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

"Another universe" is a contradiction of terms. The prefix "uni" is the Latin term for one. So suggesting that there is more than one universe is just idiocy.

It's just a matter of convention. If you want to take universe to mean "everything that exists", then you would just call them "subverses".

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How can you age something that is infinite, you don't know where it came from, how big it is, or if it was constructed or evolved on its own?

Maybe, go read up on how scientists date the age of our universe.

 

[zaangalewa]

All Is Lava

Hubble's discovery proves that our universe is an eruption from another universe where the maximum velocity is c squared (a light-year every three minutes). The original material came in at that speed, which indicates that 28 billion years is inaccurate because it assumes that the original substance giving off light traveled at c.

Hubble had not discovered the big bang. This had been George Lemaitre. And with the plausible idea of parallel universes - which is unprovable - had this nothing to do. We know exactly nothing about what "caused" the big bang because it existed no time "before" it had happened. If the big bang had been physically a first cause for the existence of our universe then we never will know this because a first cause is ... uncaused ... otherwise it would not be a first cause. Or with other words: We don't know what happened when nothing was able to happen.

 

[zaangalewa]

All verifiable evidence indicates that the Earth is about 6,000 years old. ...

What's a totally stupid nonsense. The Alps started for example 153 million years ago to grow - and they are still growing. Perhaps the Alps have horns since 6000 years but that's another thing.

 

[james bond]

What's a totally stupid nonsense. The Alps started for example 153 million years ago to grow - and they are still growing. Perhaps the Alps have horns since 6000 years but that's another thing.

Lol, it's YOU who is SAF and POS as you didn't know about gravitational time dilation. Next time you call me names, look in the MIRROR first.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Which makes it sound that somehow the Universe has expanded faster than the speed of light.

It's not "somehow". Its a fact. Regions of space are moving away from us faster than the speed of light. And have in the past, during the inflation Era.

 

[Stryder50]

It's not "somehow". Its a fact. Regions of space are moving away from us faster than the speed of light. And have in the past, during the inflation Era.

"somehow" is referring to what mechanism or physics concept makes this possible. Not a disputing of if it is happening.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

"somehow" is referring to what mechanism or physics concept makes this possible. Not a disputing of if it is happening.

Well that would just be the expansion of space. Given a large enough volume, any expansion rate of space will result in regions of space moving away from each other at faster than light speed.