Against the law to take down confederate statues in Florida

[Moonglow]

Bill would give DeSantis power to punish those who remove Confederate memorials

The measure also includes a penalty of up to $5,000 for those who deface such tributes and for officials who move or warehouse a monument.

www.tallahassee.com

Itr needs to spread the us should have laws against removing are statues. kick the racist terrorists out. that means you liberals too.,

Are statues, didn't you mean arrrgh statues?

 

[martybegan]

People who love our country would not want to honor to those who tried to over throw the US government.
Florida will start building statues to honor Nazis.

Wrong comparison. The Confederates were forgiven by the people who beat them, in an effort to bring the country back together.

German nazis were never Americans, so the comparison is a lie.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I wonder what all the Cuban, Venezuelan, Puerto Rican, and Northeastern immigrants to Florida think of these statues.

 

[d0gbreath]

They should pass this law if they want to see their confederate statues vandalized beyond recognition.

Back in the '60s, there was a bill put forth to make burning an American flag illegal. Had they been stupid enough to get that through, there would've been so many American flags burning, that it wouldn't be dark at night.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Wrong comparison. The Confederates were forgiven by the people who beat them, in an effort to bring the country back together.

German nazis were never Americans, so the comparison is a lie.

The CITIZENS of the south were forgiven. The confederacy was not. The civil war was about more than just keeping our country together. It was about allowing slavery. People, today, who advocate slavery and breaking up our country , are immoral traitors. No forgiveness.
Nazisim was advocation for world rule by a government of consisting of only the Arian race. It called for the extermination of jews.
Citizens of the USA who advocate white rule with no non-whites, including blacks and jews are immoral traitors. No forgiveness..

 

[martybegan]

The CITIZENS of the south were forgiven. The confederacy was not. The civil war was about more than just keeping our country together. It was about allowing slavery. People, today, who advocate slavery and breaking up our country , are immoral traitors. No forgiveness.
Nazisim was advocation for world rule by a government of consisting of only the Arian race. It called for the extermination of jews.
Citizens of the USA who advocate white rule with no non-whites, including blacks and jews are immoral traitors. No forgiveness..

Leaders, citizens, same shit different day. They were allowed to mourn their dead, and their dead were remembered as Americans. Misguided Americans, but still Americans. it's why they weren't executed as traitors right after the completion of the war.

You don't get to decide that over the people that actually fought them and bled due to them, you fucking SJW twat.

Nazis were doing what they were doing when everyone recognized what they were doing was wrong.

Slavery was still not seen as universally wrong by the world when we got rid of it.

And the right to revolt against what someone sees as an oppresive government is a natural human right.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Leaders, citizens, same shit different day. They were allowed to mourn their dead, and their dead were remembered as Americans. Misguided Americans, but still Americans. it's why they weren't executed as traitors right after the completion of the war.

You don't get to decide that over the people that actually fought them and bled due to them, you fucking SJW twat.

Nazis were doing what they were doing when everyone recognized what they were doing was wrong.

Slavery was still not seen as universally wrong by the world when we got rid of it.

And the right to revolt against what someone sees as an oppresive government is a natural human right.

I fully understand why you are a supporter of MAGA. MAGA is the group for you.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

People who love our country would not want to honor to those who tried to over throw the US government.
Florida will start building statues to honor Nazis.

Like Washington, Seattle has a statue of Lenin the communist?

 

[LeroyDumonde]

Biff, you need to read your US history.
The confederacy was dominated by Democrats fighting because they did not want to follow a duly elected Republican President, Abraham Lincoln.

Which was their right under the 10th Amendment.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Which was their right under the 10th Amendment.

First, Biff was blaming Democrats for going after confederate statues. The confederates were Democrats rebelling against a duly elected Republican s.
Second, double check the 10th ammendment
The Tenth Amendment says that the Federal Government only has those powers delegated in the Constitution. If it isn't listed, it belongs to the states or to the people.

Read article 1 and article 2 of the Co0nstitution. That gave the government the right to do what they did that certain states did not agree with
The Federal Government HAD THE POWERS delegated in the Constitution that the states did not like and decided to take actions that were outside the Constitution. A RESURECTION.

Maga need to read the Constitution. They do not know what they are talking about.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Like Washington, Seattle has a statue of Lenin the communist?

The statue is privately owned on private property. It was put up after being found getting ready to be scrapped. It is the fremont area that has many funny statues including a Troll.

If it was a government owned statue on government land it should come down.

Try again.

MAGA strikes out on their responses all the time because they only provide half the facts. A revisionist reality.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

First, Biff was blaming Democrats for going after confederate statues. The confederates were Democrats rebelling against a duly elected Republican s.
Second, double check the 10th ammendment
The Tenth Amendment says that the Federal Government only has those powers delegated in the Constitution. If it isn't listed, it belongs to the states or to the people.

Read article 1 and article 2 of the Co0nstitution. That gave the government the right to do what they did that certain states did not agree with
The Federal Government HAD THE POWERS delegated in the Constitution that the states did not like and decided to take actions that were outside the Constitution. A RESURECTION.

Maga need to read the Constitution. They do not know what they are talking about.

Where does the Constitution deny the states the right to secede?

 

[ElmerMudd]

Where does the Constitution deny the states the right to secede?

The Constitution makes no provision for secession.
But:Texas v. White (1869), the Supreme Court ruled unilateral secession unconstitutional,

Interesting side bar
The CONFEDERATE CONSTITUTION said States once a member of the Confederacy cannot secede without the consent of the others

 

[Chillicothe]

Which was their right under the 10th Amendment.

Where does the Constitution deny the states the right to secede?

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Once they decided to kill the soldiers of Fort Sumpter.....well, the dynamics changed.
Poster Dumonde's idea of 'rights' clearly became invalid.
In short, the debate changed. The legalities changed.

No?

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[martybegan]

I fully understand why you are a supporter of MAGA. MAGA is the group for you.

Again, DeSantis man in the primary. What I don't like is hubris and unearned gravitas from idiots like you.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Again, DeSantis man in the primary. What I don't like is hubris and unearned gravitas from idiots like you.

Hubris? That is the definition of Trump and his followers and the gravitas is well earned.

 

[martybegan]

Hubris? That is the definition of Trump and his followers and the gravitas is well earned.

No, that is ego.

What you have in unearned, untested and a waste of oxygen.

 

[ElmerMudd]

No, that is ego.

What you have in unearned, untested and a waste of oxygen.

If you are going to use a word, know the definition.
Gravitas -dignity, seriousness, or solemnity of manner.
"a post for which he has the expertise and the gravitas"

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

People who love our country would not want to honor to those who tried to over throw the US government.
Florida will start building statues to honor Nazis.

The Confederates didn't try to overthrow The United States. They seceded from The United States and formed their own country.

 

[martybegan]

If you are going to use a word, know the definition.
Gravitas -dignity, seriousness, or solemnity of manner.
"a post for which he has the expertise and the gravitas"

It can also mean seriousness and commitment to a given task.