JoeB131
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Um... okay.. .I know you need to believe that white people have accomplished something to make up for your own failures...
After The Fire
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Um... okay.. .I know you need to believe that white people have accomplished something to make up for your own failures...
anynameyouwish
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āIf you believe that government has no right to intrude upon the exercise of your individual will, that you have a moral duty to be virtuous, that human beings are capable of bettering the world through the use of reason, you are a product of Jerusalem and Athens.ā
well
that excludes every conservative in America....
all of whom support laws that intrude upon the exercise of your individual will;
laws against islam
laws against pot
laws against homosexuality
laws against immorality
if you became president tomorrow would you ban liberalism on your first day in office or your second day?
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Ooooo........I sense the palpable fear in your view of life.
While I'd like to offer you a few ideas, it appears you'd have no place to put them.
But...I remain the eternal optimist.
First, this is what conservatives stand for: individualism, free markets and limited constitutional government.
To judge how different this is from Liberal, Democrats, Progressives, compare this to Rule #5
Rule #5
Liberal government has two purposes: either ban, or mandate. Liberty, individuality, nor difference of opinion have any place in their firmament. Thatās the reason for concentration camps.
"if you became president tomorrow would you ban liberalism on your first day in office or your second day?"
See what I mean? You've projected Liberalism's rule onto conservatives.
I would make certain, when I become queen, that there is no restrictions on the dissemination of information (see government schools, universities, Google, Twitter, etc.)
This would alter the landscape immeasurably, as Liberals can't hold a candle to conservatives in debate.
Example?
What benefit did America, or the world, accrue by Obama's guaranteeing nuclear weapons to the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism?
or this...
Under Democrat/Liberal LBJ, the law was passed that deprived pastors of their right of free speech.
What possible compelling government interest could this represent????
or this....
"Anti-infanticide bill blocked by Senate Democrats"
Anti-infanticide bill blocked by Senate Democrats
A warning, mud......if you are about to answer the above.....and this is the first time you have ever tried to think, you may be subject to an aneurysm!!
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"Your philosophical discussions about philosophy or religion are irrelevant, those are not governing systems,..."
BTW, K....I should mention that one of the books I am reading currently is
I believe both of us would hope that justice is an element of government.
kyzr
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1. Agree that the Leftists currently own the colleges, but not necessarily the K-12 schools under local control. So the Left probably owns the K-12 schools in the urban plantations, but not in flyover country. I'm hoping that colleges can be forced to be more politically neutral using "free speech", we'll see. Only about 25% of the population attends college Educational attainment in the United States - Wikipedia and of those the engineering and science majors don't see any political pressure in class, so its not as "uphill" as you might think.
2. Maybe I misinterpreted your prior discussions, but it seemed that you were looking past the US Constitution and at ancient philosophers as having better governing systems/principles. The US Constitution stipulates freedom of religion. I'm not discussing religion or philosophy beyond what the Constitution already has in it.
3. Maybe its up to the USSC to keep the US on a safe track over the long term? The Executive and Congress can swing too far right or left depending on a variety of factors. Then again, so can the USSC. Lets keep battling and hope it turns out well. Probably the most important factor is an educated, informed, and responsible electorate.
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".... but not necessarily the K-12 schools under local control."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write āGet Wellā Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.
Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J.
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write āGet Wellā Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
From coast to coast.....
"The California Federation of Teachers (CFT) passed a resolution at its most recent convention claiming that āthe continued unjust incarceration of Mumia Abu-Jamal represents a threat to the civil rights of all people.ā Thirty years ago, Abu-Jamal took away Philadelphia policeman Daniel Faulknerās foremost civil right: his life. How obtuse of the CFT to disregard āthe threat to the civil rights of all peopleā represented by someone capable of gunning down a man tasked with protecting the public.
The pantheon of leftist saints includes the Haymarket Square bombers, responsible for the deaths of eight Chicago cops, Joe Hill, murderer of former police officer John Morrison in Salt Lake City, Huey Newton, murderer of Oakland policeman John Frey, and Leonard Peltier, murderer of FBI agents Jack Coler and Ronald Williams. Notice a pattern?"
Teachers' Mumia Abu-Jamal Resolution Out of Sync Morally and Historically | Human Events
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"... the US Constitution and at ancient philosophers as having better governing systems/principles. The US Constitution stipulates freedom of religion."
It does no such thing.
1. The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 āFor the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.ā Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 āAlso we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.ā
When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18
āMoreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:ā This indicates that we are to choose, or elect God fearing men and women. Looking at Article 3 Section 3 we see almost word for word Deuteronomy 17:6: āNo person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses. . .ā Deuteronomy 17:6 āAt the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses. . .ā. The next paragraph in Article 3 Section 3 refers to who should pay the price for treason. In England, they could punish the sons for the trespasses of the father, if the father died.Roger Anghis -- Bring America Back To Her Religious Roots, Part 7
2.This question was asked by political science professors at the University of Houston. They rightfully felt that they could determine the source of the Foundersā ideas if they could collect the writings from the Founding Era and see whom the Founders were quoting.
The researchers assembled 15,000 writings from the founding Era ā no small sample ā and searched those writings. That project spanned ten years; but at the end of that time, the researchers had isolated 3,154 direct quotes made by the Founders and had identified the source of those quotes.
The researchers discovered that Baron Charles de Montesquieu was the man quoted most often by the founding fathers, with 8.3 percent of the Foundersā quotes being taken from his writings. Sir William Blackstone was the second most-quoted individual with 7.9 percent of the Founderās quotes, and John Locke was third with 2.9 percent.
Surprisingly, the researchers discovered that the founders quoted directly out of the bible 4 times more than they quoted Montesquieu, 4 times more often than they quoted Blackstone, and 12 times more often than they quoted John Locke. Thirty four percent of the Foundersā quotes came directly out of the bible.
The study was even more impressive when the source of the ideas used by Montesquieu, Blackstone, and Locke were identified. Consider for example, the source of Blackstoneās ideas. Blackstoneās Commentaries on the Laws was first introduced in 1768, and for the next 100 years Americaās courts quoted Blackstone to settle disputes, to define words, and to examine procedure; Blackstoneās Commentaries were the final word in the Supreme Courts. So what was a significant source of Blackstoneās ideas? Perhaps the best answer to that question can be given through the life of Charles Finney.
Charles Finney is known as a famous revivalist, minister, and preacher from one of Americaās greatest revivals; the Second Great Awakening in the early 1800ās. Finney, in his autobiography, spoke of how he received his call to ministry. He explained that ā having determined to become a lawyer ā he, like all other law students at the time, commenced the study of Blackstoneās Commentaries on the Laws. Finney observed that Blackstoneās Commentaries not only provided the laws, it also provided the Biblical concepts on which those laws were based. Finney explained that in the process of studying Blackstone, he read so much of the Bible that he became a Christian and received his call to the ministry. Finneyās life story clearly identified a major source of Blackstoneās ideas for law.
So, while 34% of the Foundersā quotes came directly out of the Bible, many of their quotes were taken from men ā like Blackstone ā who had used the Bible to arrive at their own conclusions.ā
This doesnāt even include Supreme Court decisions, Congressional records, speeches, inaugurations, etc. all of which include sources of Biblical content and concepts. I can produce those as well, if need be ,as well as what was taught in American schools for the first 175 years.
Bear in mind, the above is not some made up opinion, it is well documented, irrefutable research into actual quotes from the Founders.
Sources:
David Barton, Original Intent, 1997
Donald Lutz, The Origins of American Constitutionalism 1988
āThe Relative Influence of European Writers on Late Eighteenth Century American Political Thoughtā American Political Science Review
3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous āseparation of church and stateā lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Sealā¦
annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.
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"The Executive and Congress can swing too far right ...."
I would point out to you that you are using the language that the Left tries to press into the culture.
While there is a powerful Far Left, there is no Far Right in this country.
I'd be happy to prove it.
danielpalos
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...women usually just dump me for being too boring.
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"Lets keep battling and hope it turns out well. Probably the most important factor is an educated, informed, and responsible electorate."
A great big "AMEN" to that.
kyzr
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"... the US Constitution and at ancient philosophers as having better governing systems/principles. The US Constitution stipulates freedom of religion."
It does no such thing.
1. The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 āFor the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.ā Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 āAlso we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.ā
When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18
Roger Anghis -- Bring America Back To Her Religious Roots, Part 7
2.This question was asked by political science professors at the University of Houston. They rightfully felt that they could determine the source of the Foundersā ideas if they could collect the writings from the Founding Era and see whom the Founders were quoting.
The researchers assembled 15,000 writings from the founding Era ā no small sample ā and searched those writings. That project spanned ten years; but at the end of that time, the researchers had isolated 3,154 direct quotes made by the Founders and had identified the source of those quotes.
The researchers discovered that Baron Charles de Montesquieu was the man quoted most often by the founding fathers, with 8.3 percent of the Foundersā quotes being taken from his writings. Sir William Blackstone was the second most-quoted individual with 7.9 percent of the Founderās quotes, and John Locke was third with 2.9 percent.
Surprisingly, the researchers discovered that the founders quoted directly out of the bible 4 times more than they quoted Montesquieu, 4 times more often than they quoted Blackstone, and 12 times more often than they quoted John Locke. Thirty four percent of the Foundersā quotes came directly out of the bible.
The study was even more impressive when the source of the ideas used by Montesquieu, Blackstone, and Locke were identified. Consider for example, the source of Blackstoneās ideas. Blackstoneās Commentaries on the Laws was first introduced in 1768, and for the next 100 years Americaās courts quoted Blackstone to settle disputes, to define words, and to examine procedure; Blackstoneās Commentaries were the final word in the Supreme Courts. So what was a significant source of Blackstoneās ideas? Perhaps the best answer to that question can be given through the life of Charles Finney.
Charles Finney is known as a famous revivalist, minister, and preacher from one of Americaās greatest revivals; the Second Great Awakening in the early 1800ās. Finney, in his autobiography, spoke of how he received his call to ministry. He explained that ā having determined to become a lawyer ā he, like all other law students at the time, commenced the study of Blackstoneās Commentaries on the Laws. Finney observed that Blackstoneās Commentaries not only provided the laws, it also provided the Biblical concepts on which those laws were based. Finney explained that in the process of studying Blackstone, he read so much of the Bible that he became a Christian and received his call to the ministry. Finneyās life story clearly identified a major source of Blackstoneās ideas for law.
So, while 34% of the Foundersā quotes came directly out of the Bible, many of their quotes were taken from men ā like Blackstone ā who had used the Bible to arrive at their own conclusions.ā
This doesnāt even include Supreme Court decisions, Congressional records, speeches, inaugurations, etc. all of which include sources of Biblical content and concepts. I can produce those as well, if need be ,as well as what was taught in American schools for the first 175 years.
Bear in mind, the above is not some made up opinion, it is well documented, irrefutable research into actual quotes from the Founders.
Sources:
David Barton, Original Intent, 1997
Donald Lutz, The Origins of American Constitutionalism 1988
āThe Relative Influence of European Writers on Late Eighteenth Century American Political Thoughtā American Political Science Review
3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous āseparation of church and stateā lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Sealā¦
annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.
Tend to disagree with your "It does no such thing" about the First Amendment and freedom of religion...
First Amendment to the United States Constitution - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The Establishment Clause does not allow the government to support one religion more than any other religion. The government also can not say that a religion or a god is true. This is often described as "separation of church and state", where "state" means "the government". It also does not allow the government to establish a national religion. It allows people to debate religion freely without the federal government of the United States getting involved. The clause did not stop the various states from supporting a particular religion, and several states did."
danielpalos
Diamond Member
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Should we admit to ourselves, we must be in Nexus 6 with Zardoz and the incorrigibles? Simply having the Expense of Government means there are not enough morals to go around.
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"... the US Constitution and at ancient philosophers as having better governing systems/principles. The US Constitution stipulates freedom of religion."
It does no such thing.
1. The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 āFor the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.ā Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 āAlso we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.ā
When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18
Roger Anghis -- Bring America Back To Her Religious Roots, Part 7
2.This question was asked by political science professors at the University of Houston. They rightfully felt that they could determine the source of the Foundersā ideas if they could collect the writings from the Founding Era and see whom the Founders were quoting.
The researchers assembled 15,000 writings from the founding Era ā no small sample ā and searched those writings. That project spanned ten years; but at the end of that time, the researchers had isolated 3,154 direct quotes made by the Founders and had identified the source of those quotes.
The researchers discovered that Baron Charles de Montesquieu was the man quoted most often by the founding fathers, with 8.3 percent of the Foundersā quotes being taken from his writings. Sir William Blackstone was the second most-quoted individual with 7.9 percent of the Founderās quotes, and John Locke was third with 2.9 percent.
Surprisingly, the researchers discovered that the founders quoted directly out of the bible 4 times more than they quoted Montesquieu, 4 times more often than they quoted Blackstone, and 12 times more often than they quoted John Locke. Thirty four percent of the Foundersā quotes came directly out of the bible.
The study was even more impressive when the source of the ideas used by Montesquieu, Blackstone, and Locke were identified. Consider for example, the source of Blackstoneās ideas. Blackstoneās Commentaries on the Laws was first introduced in 1768, and for the next 100 years Americaās courts quoted Blackstone to settle disputes, to define words, and to examine procedure; Blackstoneās Commentaries were the final word in the Supreme Courts. So what was a significant source of Blackstoneās ideas? Perhaps the best answer to that question can be given through the life of Charles Finney.
Charles Finney is known as a famous revivalist, minister, and preacher from one of Americaās greatest revivals; the Second Great Awakening in the early 1800ās. Finney, in his autobiography, spoke of how he received his call to ministry. He explained that ā having determined to become a lawyer ā he, like all other law students at the time, commenced the study of Blackstoneās Commentaries on the Laws. Finney observed that Blackstoneās Commentaries not only provided the laws, it also provided the Biblical concepts on which those laws were based. Finney explained that in the process of studying Blackstone, he read so much of the Bible that he became a Christian and received his call to the ministry. Finneyās life story clearly identified a major source of Blackstoneās ideas for law.
So, while 34% of the Foundersā quotes came directly out of the Bible, many of their quotes were taken from men ā like Blackstone ā who had used the Bible to arrive at their own conclusions.ā
This doesnāt even include Supreme Court decisions, Congressional records, speeches, inaugurations, etc. all of which include sources of Biblical content and concepts. I can produce those as well, if need be ,as well as what was taught in American schools for the first 175 years.
Bear in mind, the above is not some made up opinion, it is well documented, irrefutable research into actual quotes from the Founders.
Sources:
David Barton, Original Intent, 1997
Donald Lutz, The Origins of American Constitutionalism 1988
āThe Relative Influence of European Writers on Late Eighteenth Century American Political Thoughtā American Political Science Review
3. Nor is it a coincidence that the acolyte of Joseph Stalin, that would be Franklin Roosevelt, as his first Supreme Court nominee, chose KKKer Hugo Black, who wrote into jurisprudence, the infamous āseparation of church and stateā lie. Perhaps Black never saw the motto on the back of the Great Sealā¦
annuit coeptis Latin. He (God) has favored our undertakings.
It is the motto, adapted from the Aeneid (IX.625), that appears
on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.
Tend to disagree with your "It does no such thing" about the First Amendment and freedom of religion...
First Amendment to the United States Constitution - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The Establishment Clause does not allow the government to support one religion more than any other religion. The government also can not say that a religion or a god is true. This is often described as "separation of church and state", where "state" means "the government". It also does not allow the government to establish a national religion. It allows people to debate religion freely without the federal government of the United States getting involved. The clause did not stop the various states from supporting a particular religion, and several states did."
With deepest apologies, K
I thought I read that you were saying that the Constitution demanded religion out of government.
The Constitution demands a neutral position on religion in the public sphere.
"...Justice Anthony Kennedy concluded: "The commission's hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment's guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion. ... "Supreme Court: Be Polite When You Violate Others' Rights
Only two of the Justices, Bader-Ginsburg and Sotomayor, gave in to their inner Fascism.
The Framers intended the Establishment Clause to prohibit the designation of anyās church as a "national" one. The Clause was also designed to stop the Federal Government from asserting a preference for one religious denomination or sect over others.
Given the "incorporation" of the Establishment Clause as against the States via the Fourteenth Amendment in Everson, States are prohibited as well from establishing a religion or discriminating between sects. As its history abundantly shows, however, nothing in the Establishment Clause requires government to be strictly neutral between religion and irreligion, nor does that Clause prohibit Congress or the States from pursuing legitimate secular ends through nondiscriminatory sectarian means."
From Chief Justice Wm. Rehnquist dissent in
WALLACE V. JAFFREE
472 U.S. 38, 105 S.Ct. 2479 (1985)
Nos. 83-812, 83-929.
Argued Dec. 4, 1984.
Decided June 4, 1985.
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