Advisor: Obama Doesn't Attend Church Because It's A Distraction (Yea Right! We Know The Real Reason)

[Where_r_my_Keys]

If he's seen the 'vital records', WHAT WOULD BE A POTENTIALLY VALID REASON TO NOT PRODUCE THEM FOR EVERYONE TO SEE?

That's She. Chiyome Fukino is a woman. And it was against the law to release the original documents.

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LOL! So it's against the law to release public documents? Huh... What can we make of THAT?

We can make of it that Hawaii, in the late 50s was in a panic to get the population up as a means to get its looming federal legislative representation up. As a result Hawaii was notorious for certifying 'citizens' who came from anywhere they could be found.

(For the Edification of the Intellectually Less Fortunate, Hawaii became a State in 1959... and Federal Representation is based upon Population... Mo-people, more votes in the Congress, mo-votes in the congress, mo POWUH!)

And because of the dubious nature of their 'system' for oh those MANY years... (such continued in practice through the late 1960s...) Hawaii declared such records to be SEALED and made it a state felony to release 'em.

Of course, an individual such as the President of the US could easily make a phone call and have the records released... same with the College records obama has ordered sealed. And for the same reason. obama applied as a foreign national for federal scholarship coin and gained such upon that fraudulence, a federal felony... which sits directly behind his running for the Office of the Presidency despite his being a non-natural born citizen, for disqualifying him from office.

 

[Papageorgio]

An hour long service and an hour parking and mingling every single Sunday of your entire life adds up to a lot of time.

Now if they were union and paid you to go, well then we should all be doing it.

After all, everything is about the money, right?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

A person can be goo and have moral values if they are atheist, muslim or hindu... Your bigoted mind can't see that and want religion and politics mixed...

Can they? Using your reasoning what represents "good", "Moral values"?

 

[Skylar]

The Cold Case Posse was hired, BY the Maricopa County Sheriff's Dep't.

They're not paid. You can't 'hire' someone who isn't paid. They aren't part of the Maricopa County Sheriff's department, nor has the Maricopa County Sheriff's department every released any official report affirming anything you've said.

I defy you to produce such a document. It doesn't exist. If there were an official investigation, there would be.

As such it is intrinsically tethered to the EXACT SAME LAWS and policies inherent to same.

Save for the fact that the 'Cold Case Posse' is a private corporation, has no enforcement authority of any kind, and isn't part of the Maricopa County Sheriff's department.

Which might explain why the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department has never released any official report on the topic. And why Zullo isn't in jail for corruption after taking $10,000 bribes from birthers as part of his 'investigation'.

And then lying about it.

No one has been charged, no one has been fired and therefore, we can rest assured that no laws were broken and no rules violated.

No one has been hired. So how can you fire someone you never hired? Remember, Zullo isn't part of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department. If he were, he'd have long since gone to jail for massive corruption.

But since he's a private citizen with no enforcement authority of any kind, its merely a stunning conflict of interest, massive breach of impartiality, and inexcusable act of deceit and deception.

Which Zullo clearly knows....as he lied his ass off about it for years. And THIS is your primary source?

Laughing...so much for 'objectivity', eh buddy?

What conflict is that, SPECIFICALLY?

Taking money from birthers in an investigation to confirm birther conspiracies. Its something no credible investigator would ever do. As you're supposed to follow where ever the evidence leads you. Not simply to ape the narrative of the guy paying you 10 grand tells you to ape.

You can't comprehend how this could be a conflict of interest. Its okay....a rational person could.

 

[Skylar]

A person can be goo and have moral values if they are atheist, muslim or hindu... Your bigoted mind can't see that and want religion and politics mixed...

Can they? Using your reasoning what represents "good", "Moral values"?

We've already been through this, Keyes......your standards of 'morality' are uselessly subjective and laughably self serving. You claim that religion is 'objective', but it obviously isn't. The Puritans killed adulterers and sodomites. The founders only killed for sodomy. Modern Christians don't kill either.

So which was right? They can't all be right. Nor does any of them have to be.

Any theist can ignore any portion of any religious text they want at any time by simply imagining an 'interpretation'. Exactly as you did when explaining why the commandment in Leviticus to kill those engaged in sodomy doesn't need to be followed anymore.

Its uselessly subjective. As your imagination or personal opinion supersedes any commandment given by any god.

 

[CowboyTed]

A person can be goo and have moral values if they are atheist, muslim or hindu... Your bigoted mind can't see that and want religion and politics mixed...

Can they? Using your reasoning what represents "good", "Moral values"?

Well I first don't think Ala Carte Christians have any morals higher than anyone else... Picking out the bits of the bible you like and ignoring others is laughable...

Well a boy growing up in Kenya and having good muslim values can be a good person.. He just wanted to be President of United States of America. Islamic fanatics saw this and planted him in Hawaii early in life so he start on this quest?

Despite his flirtations with pot he managed to become President of US, where he has got millions health insurance, created 10.5 million jobs and cut the deficit by 2/3s in 6 years? The bloody vandal continued by getting China to sign a global warming agreement.

If this Islamic Sleeper cell is working for Islamic Fundamentalists he is a pretty piss poor job.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

You say the LFBC is a forgery. The Registrar of Hawaii says the information in that LFBC is accurate and matches their original records. You don't know what you're talking about. And of course, you have yet to find anyone who contradicts Alvin Onaka. Let alone disproves him. And the Registrar of Hawaii is the world's leading expert on Hawaii's documents.

Keep trying.

Huh... then I wonder why the State of Hawaii created a document which came with multiple fonts, set over multiple generations of copies, odd phrasing, dissimilar spacing and other readily discernible failures common to forged documents?

Your desperation to debate it, does not make any of this debatable. The certs are phony... period.

Now that doesn't mean that Obama is not a US Citizen... it simply means that whatever the actual birth cert says, is something obama is desperate to keep concealed. Such may or may not be relevant to anything... could be that its just personally embarrassing... who gives a damn? Certainly not me.

My only concern is that the truth be told and there's nothing truthful about the certs he's offered thus far. And the truth is that obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen of the United States.

That the only person who's certified that his actual birth cert is valid is dead... and a duly sworn investigation by a duly elected Law Enforcement agency states that they are not just forgeries, but HYSTERICALLY BAD FORGERIES.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

A person can be goo and have moral values if they are atheist, muslim or hindu... Your bigoted mind can't see that and want religion and politics mixed...

Can they? Using your reasoning what represents "good", "Moral values"?

Well I first don't think Ala Carte Christians have any morals higher than anyone else...

Don't care... and that's not what I asked...

Using your reasoning what represents "good", "Moral values"?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

A person can be goo and have moral values if they are atheist, muslim or hindu... Your bigoted mind can't see that and want religion and politics mixed...

Can they? Using your reasoning what represents "good", "Moral values"?

Well I first don't think Ala Carte Christians have any morals higher than anyone else... Picking out the bits of the bible you like and ignoring others is laughable...

Well a boy growing up in Kenya and having good muslim values can be a good person.. He just wanted to be President of United States of America. Islamic fanatics saw this and planted him in Hawaii early in life so he start on this quest?

Despite his flirtations with pot he managed to become President of US, where he has got millions health insurance, created 10.5 million jobs and cut the deficit by 2/3s in 6 years? The bloody vandal continued by getting China to sign a global warming agreement.

If this Islamic Sleeper cell is working for Islamic Fundamentalists he is a pretty piss poor job.

The Muslims planted him in Hawaii? Now we're actually getting into conspiracy theories, only they're coming from you.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Sadly, you don't know what you're talking about. Alvin Onaka and Chiyome Fukino are quite alive.

Sadly, those two clowns 'certified' the Short Form "Certificate of Live Birth".

Again, you're hopelessly clueless. Here's Chiyome Fukino destroying your latest piece of conspiracy batshit:

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen

Hawaii Obama birth certificate is real - USATODAY.com

Notice there's not a single mention of 'short form' anything. You made that part up, pulled sideways out of your ass. Instead, Fukino cites the 'Original vital records' held in Hawaii.

Remember, and this point is fundamental: you have no idea what you're talking about. None. You're simply not informed on the topic sufficiently to discuss it intelligently.

And Alvin Onaka affirmed that the LFBC on the White House website matched the original vital records held by Hawaii. Not the 'short form'. But the LFBC on the White House website.

\Short form COLBS are worthless... and are not even accepted IN HAWAII.

Remember...you're clueless. Short form COLBs are the official birth certificates now issued in Hawaii. They're sufficient to prove citizenship when getting a passport. And stand as prima facie evidence in any court of law.

You say they're worthless. You don't know what you're talking about. You're the same hapless soul who claimed that Obama's senate page indicated he was a naturalized citizen born in Kenya. An absurd fallacy backed by nothing.

Your ignorance precludes any deception. As you genuinely have no idea what you're talking about.

.. What's more, it was SO LAUGHABLY FRAUDULENT, that even the most ludicrous sycophants could not support it, which forced Obama to double down with the Long Form.

Says you. The 2008 COLB was authenticated by 'Fact Check.org', with its release affirmed by Hawaii. Just as the release of the LFBC was affirmed by Hawaii.

I
n June 2008, President Obama released his Certification of Live Birth, which is
sometimes referred to in the media as a “short form” birth certificate. Both documents
are legally sufficient evidence of birth in the State of Hawai„i, and both provide the
same fundamental information President Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawai„i at 7:24
p.m. on August 4, 1961, to mother Stanley Ann Dunham and father Barack Hussein
Obama.

http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/files/2013/05/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf

You say it was forged. The State of Hawaii says that Obama released his Certification of Live Birth, and that the document is sufficient evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii.

You ignored them all. Your willful ignorance has literally nothing to do with the authenticity of any document. As you have no idea what you're talking about.

The 'official that 'certified' that joke was one Loretta Fuddy. It turns out that stepping up for a pathetic forgery can be hard on ya, as the following demonstrates. It's worth noting that her untimely death came in the wake of the Maricopa County Sheriff's office declaring the cert a forgery... .

Ah, but you're clueless. Maricopa County Sheriff's Office has never released any official report including any such findings. And of course, Chiyome Fukino already confirmed Obama's Hawaiian birth BEFORE there ever was a Cold Case Posse. And Alvin Onaka affirmed that the LFBC matches the original documents AFTER the Cold Case Posse stated the LFBC was a forgery and AFTER Fuddy died in a plane crash.

You say the LFBC is a forgery. The Registrar of Hawaii says the information in that LFBC is accurate and matches their original records. You don't know what you're talking about. And of course, you have yet to find anyone who contradicts Alvin Onaka. Let alone disproves him. And the Registrar of Hawaii is the world's leading expert on Hawaii's documents.

Keep trying.

[/QUOTE]The two young adults from Factcheck that allegedly examined Obamas 2007 short form COLB had zero knowledge or backgound credentials in authenticating documents through forensic attestations. Also the Hawaii Dept of Health never put out a official statement confirming the image of the short form COLB being held by one of the two from Factcheck was authentic. Here are the two from Factcheck who allegedly examined the short form with zero backgound credentials in forensic document attestations.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The Cold Case Posse was hired, BY the Maricopa County Sheriff's Dep't.

They're not paid. You can't 'hire' someone who isn't paid. They aren't part of the Maricopa County Sheriff's department, nor has the Maricopa County Sheriff's department every released any official report affirming anything you've said.

I defy you to produce such a document. It doesn't exist. If there were an official investigation, there would be.

They were working for The Maricopa County Sheriff's department. How they are compensated is irrelevant.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

A person can be goo and have moral values if they are atheist, muslim or hindu... Your bigoted mind can't see that and want religion and politics mixed...

Can they? Using your reasoning what represents "good", "Moral values"?

We've already been through this, Keyes......your standards of 'morality' are uselessly subjective and laughably self serving.

Huh.. Nothing there that answers the question.

You claim that religion is 'objective', but it obviously isn't.

Nothing THERE that answers the question.

The Puritans killed adulterers and sodomites.

Nothing THERE that answers the question.

The founders only killed for sodomy.

Nothing THERE that answers the question.

Modern Christians don't kill either.

Nothing THERE that answers the question.

So which was right? They can't all be right.

Nothing THERE that answers the question.

Nor does any of them have to be.

UH OH! Looks like we're FINALLY gettin' to the Relativist rub...

Any theist can ignore any portion of any religious text they want at any time by simply imagining an 'interpretation'. Exactly as you did when explaining why the commandment in Leviticus to kill those engaged in sodomy doesn't need to be followed anymore.

Its uselessly subjective. As your imagination or personal opinion supersedes any commandment given by any god.

Nothing THERE that answers the question. But, it does demonstrate the subjective nature of the Leftists... proving in absolute terms that absent objectivity, there is no means to 'be good' or to 'live a moral life'. Because absent objectivity, there is no potential to reason soundly, thus no means to establish a sound morality, thus no means to determine what is 'good' and what is not... .

Which is how a culture devolves into being incapable of deciding that murder of pre-born children is not only perfectly fine... but that such is a RIGHT! Which is of course followed up almost immediately by the inability to find anything wrong with men having sex with other men and women with women... . And that is why if left unchecked, we would witness the same perversion of human reasoning justifying the long sought legalization for adults to pursue children for sexual gratification... as well as beasts, multiple parties and the eradication of the elderly. All forms of deviant human reasoning, such as that demonstrated by the idea that a person who formerly claimed that they were a foreign national, is a Natural Born Citizen of the United States, suitable to hold the office of the President of the United States, nearly seven years into his office in which he has time and again set policy that lends aid and comfort to those of this birth father, OKA: The Communists as well as the Islamic Enemy of the United States

Wonderful job Shug... you truly did the very BEST you could.

 

[CowboyTed]

A person can be goo and have moral values if they are atheist, muslim or hindu... Your bigoted mind can't see that and want religion and politics mixed...

Can they? Using your reasoning what represents "good", "Moral values"?

Well I first don't think Ala Carte Christians have any morals higher than anyone else...

Don't care... and that's not what I asked...

Using your reasoning what represents "good", "Moral values"?

"love your neighbor as yourself"
OR
"AND WORSHIP God [alone], and do not ascribe divinity, in any way, to aught beside Him. And do good unto your parents, and near of kin, and unto orphans, and the needy, and the neighbour from among your own people, and the neighbour who is a stranger, 47 and the friend by your side, and the wayfarer, and those whom you rightfully possess. Verily, God does not love any of those who, full of self-conceit, act in a boastful manner;"

Neither far off the mark.

 

[Skylar]

Huh... then I wonder why the State of Hawaii created a document which came with multiple fonts, set over multiple generations of copies, odd phrasing, dissimilar spacing and other readily discernible failures common to forged documents?

Show me the expert that indicates that the original vital documents held by Hawaii are fraudulent.

Every time I ask you this question, you flee. Its not Mike Zulllo. Its not Douglas Zogt. Its not the Cold Case Posse. Its not the Maricpa County

Who then?

....keep running.

Your desperation to debate it, does not make any of this debatable. The certs are phony... period.

Says you. The State of Hawaii has affirmed that the information on the LFBC matches the original records. Period. Not once, but over and over.

And no expert contradicts them. No one.

You say one thing. The State of Hawaii says another. You're clueless. The State of Hawaii is the world's leading authority on its own document. They win.

Now that doesn't mean that Obama is not a US Citizen... it simply means that whatever the actual birth cert says, is something obama is desperate to keep concealed.

I have a much simpler explanation. Instead of an insanely elaborate conspiracy involving the State of Hawaii,the republican party, a plane crash, the Registrar of Hawaii, the Director of the Department of Health, the White House, newspapers in 1961, Obama's family, and the President himself.....

.......you simply don't know what you're talking about.

Occam's razor, Keyes.

Such may or may not be relevant to anything... could be that its just personally embarrassing... who gives a damn? Certainly mot me.

Laughing...obviously. That's why you've been posting about it for the last 3 hours. Nothing says 'I don't care' like a dozen posts on a topic.

Lie to yourself if you want to. But don't bother lying to us. As I don't think either of us are believing you.

My only concern is that the truth be told and there's nothing truthful about the certs he's offered thus far.

Nonsense. The State of Hawaii already confirmed the COLB in 2008. You just straight up ignored them. You're citing no one but yourself on your silly conspiracy that the original vital documents held by Hawai are fraudulent.

And you have nothing to refute anything said by Chiyome Fukino or Alvin Onaka. You just straight up ignore them too. No one interested in truth would ignore what you do. You don't want the truth. You want an insanely elaborate, batshit conspiracy that affirms what you choose to believe.

Alas, reality isn't quite so generous as to make your fantasies come true.

That the only person who's certified that his actual birth cert is valid is dead... and a duly sworn investigation by a duly elected Law Enforcement agency states that they are not just forgeries, but HYSTERICALLY BAD FORGERIES.

Wrong again. Both Chiyome Fukino and Alvin Onaka have viewed the original documents and affirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii. Alvin Onaka has affirmed that the information on the LFBC is accurate and matches the original vital documents. The State of Hawaii's own website affirms that Obama was given his LFBC and even links to the very document you insist is a forgery.

They don't ape what you want to believe. So you ignore them. But why would any rational person or someone interested in the truth ignore any of them?

There is no reason. You simply have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Skylar]

Huh.. Nothing there that answers the question.

Notice you don't actually disagree with me. It appears you can be taught.

But, it does demonstrate the subjective nature of the Leftists... proving in absolute terms that absent objectivity, there is no means to 'be good' or to 'live a moral life'. Because absent objectivity, there is no potential to reason soundly, thus no means to establish a sound morality, thus no means to determine what is 'good' and what is not... .

And your standards are subjective as well. Religion is not objective....but deeply personal and hopelessly subjective. Any theist can ignore any passage in any religious text by simply 'interpreting' around it. Exactly as you did when i asked you about the death penalty for sodomy.....where you imagined that you can ignore that commandment if you want.

You don't have an objective system. You have a subjective one. Prone to culture, society, personal preference, or history. As any theist can do exactly what you do. And frequently does. The same religious texts have produced grand inquisitor Torquemada and mother Teresa. Demonstrating yet again how uselessly subjective your system actually is.

And there's absolutely a way to determine what's right and wrong: the application of one's own moral reasoning. The exact same tool you use when you choose to arbitrarily ignore any 'commandment' you don't want to follow...and morph your religion into what you want it to be.

Just like everyone else.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"It's because there's no room for him to put his prayer rug down."

What's moronic about this is the ridiculous perception that there's something 'wrong' or 'un-American' about being Muslim.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Show me the expert that indicates that the original vital documents held by Hawaii are fraudulent.

Show me where someone claimed they were? I certainly never made such a claim. I stated as a fact that the certs that obama has produced are littered with errors typical of forgeries. That is not even a debatable point.

Again... I am not contesting that obama was born in the US. I am only stating as FACT, that obama has gone to great lengths to keep the original document and its information, concealed from the US Public.

And of course that obama is not a Natural Born Citizen of the United States. Which he has professed in his own books, wherein he declared that his father was a foreign national.

It doesn't matter WHERE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE US IS BORN... A natural born citizen of the US is the natural result of being BORN TO TWO US CITIZENS. Which would be that which comes from being conceived through the joining of one male US Citizen and one Female US citizen. You know, the formula intrinsic to the natural marriage standard.

A natural born citizen of the United States, can be born anywhere in the world or even in SPACE... .

See how that works?

 

[Skylar]

Show me the expert that indicates that the original vital documents held by Hawaii are fraudulent.

Show me where someone claimed they were? I certainly never made such a claim.

Then the issue is settled. The original vital records are accurate. The LFBC matches the original records. And the LFBC says that Obama was born in Hawaii.

That was easy.

 

[Skylar]

It doesn't matter WHERE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE US IS BORN... A natural born citizen of the US is the natural result of being BORN TO TWO US CITIZENS.

Says who? So far its you citing yourself. And you're nobody.

What else have you got?

 

[Skylar]

Your argument was irrelevant... and it was dismissed as such. But the dismissal was designed to get you to claim what ya just claimed.

Oh, my argument was immediately relevant. As demonstrated by the two paragraph polemic where you lamented about 'objective morality' and subjectivity. Exactly the topic I already discussed.

The grand hole in your reasoning being.....you don't have an objective moral system. But a subjective one. As you can use your own moral reasoning to ignore any 'commandment' you don't like. Just like any theist. You can imagine your religion to be anything you wish through the magic of interpretation.

Just like any theist. And you still haven't disagreed with me. Because we both know I'm right. That religion isn't objective. That its subject to society, culture, personal interpretation, personal context and history.

You can ignore these facts. But you can't make us ignore them.

.

And with that... she goes BACK TO IGNORE, until she is positioned to serve good by proving that her reasoning is animated by evil.

Laughing...I take it neither your birther argument nor your 'objective morality' claims were going well. You don't need an excuse to run, Keyes. Just run. Whenever you muster the courage to try and defend your steaming rhetorical piles, I'll be about.