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Acting US Navy secretary resigns
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Mac-7
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My advice is dont bet the rent money on thatHe will get his job back once Joe Biden is electedHe lost his commandThat crozier was fired?My country, my NavyThis story is about the US Navy, not the Royal Navy
Coronavirus warship row: Acting US Navy secretary resigns
The acting Navy chief was under fire for ousting a captain who pleaded for help fighting Covid-19.www.bbc.co.uk
The acting secretary of the US Navy has resigned amid uproar over his handling of a coronavirus outbreak on an aircraft carrier.
Thomas Modly fired the USS Theodore Roosevelt's captain after he pleaded for help in a letter leaked to media.
Mr Modly apologised on Monday after it emerged he had called Captain Brett Crozier's actions "naive" and "stupid".
Is Captain Crozier a hero of the Corona War or a commie subversive ?
I like the story of the crew applauding him when he left the ship. That must be worth more than any medal.
so its no business of yours
Is it false?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.
you and tommy can pound sand
once AGAIN --- is the story false?
you know he was fired
his next job could be sailing a desk somewhere till he retires
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wrongThe letter went to his commanding officer and those with a need to knowbullshitNo he isn’t.his commander is the one and only one to decide who needs to knowConditions aboard a US Navy warship at sea are not open for public discussion unless the highest echelons on the Navy choose to allow itThe TRUMPvirus was already a public issue.you dont know thatThe fact that they did nothingWhat makes you think they were not going to do that anyway?What did the Navy do?You and crozier are over reactingWhat is the reality of a ship at sea with unchecked TRUMPvirus running through it and no way to isolate the crew?Reality.Based on what?no sailors on the USS Roosevelt died from the chinese disease
nor is it likely more would have died at sea than on land
no one died on the Roosevelt and few if any would have died
They followed Croziers advice, brought the ship to port and isolated the crew
but maybe they needed more time to ready a replacement
Croziers letter shaming the Navy got them to do something. Also got Crozier fired.
The Navy is still scrambling to put this thing behind them
I suspect the Navy did not want to make the chinese disease a public issue
But crozier blew that up and to a certain extent aided the enemy
The Navy pretending it was not and firing a commander who dared t
The Captain did not send his letter to anyone who did not have need to know.
eaning he should have written only one letter not 30 of them
You can send information up the chain and horizontally along the command structure to those who need to know.
It was an important matter. One calling for expedited action
he went around his commanding officer and that cost him his ship
to which I say good riddance
Only his commanding officer decides who needs to know
Not true.
Most important correspondence has a lengthy cc: list
Mac-7
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I disagreewrongThe letter went to his commanding officer and those with a need to knowbullshitNo he isn’t.his commander is the one and only one to decide who needs to knowConditions aboard a US Navy warship at sea are not open for public discussion unless the highest echelons on the Navy choose to allow itThe TRUMPvirus was already a public issue.you dont know thatThe fact that they did nothingWhat makes you think they were not going to do that anyway?What did the Navy do?You and crozier are over reactingWhat is the reality of a ship at sea with unchecked TRUMPvirus running through it and no way to isolate the crew?Reality.Based on what?no sailors on the USS Roosevelt died from the chinese disease
nor is it likely more would have died at sea than on land
no one died on the Roosevelt and few if any would have died
They followed Croziers advice, brought the ship to port and isolated the crew
but maybe they needed more time to ready a replacement
Croziers letter shaming the Navy got them to do something. Also got Crozier fired.
The Navy is still scrambling to put this thing behind them
I suspect the Navy did not want to make the chinese disease a public issue
But crozier blew that up and to a certain extent aided the enemy
The Navy pretending it was not and firing a commander who dared t
The Captain did not send his letter to anyone who did not have need to know.
eaning he should have written only one letter not 30 of them
You can send information up the chain and horizontally along the command structure to those who need to know.
It was an important matter. One calling for expedited action
he went around his commanding officer and that cost him his ship
to which I say good riddance
Only his commanding officer decides who needs to know
Not true.
Most important correspondence has a lengthy cc: list
his commander makes that decision
- Aug 4, 2009
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I disagreewrongThe letter went to his commanding officer and those with a need to knowbullshitNo he isn’t.his commander is the one and only one to decide who needs to knowConditions aboard a US Navy warship at sea are not open for public discussion unless the highest echelons on the Navy choose to allow itThe TRUMPvirus was already a public issue.you dont know thatThe fact that they did nothingWhat makes you think they were not going to do that anyway?What did the Navy do?You and crozier are over reactingWhat is the reality of a ship at sea with unchecked TRUMPvirus running through it and no way to isolate the crew?Reality.Based on what?no sailors on the USS Roosevelt died from the chinese disease
nor is it likely more would have died at sea than on land
no one died on the Roosevelt and few if any would have died
They followed Croziers advice, brought the ship to port and isolated the crew
but maybe they needed more time to ready a replacement
Croziers letter shaming the Navy got them to do something. Also got Crozier fired.
The Navy is still scrambling to put this thing behind them
I suspect the Navy did not want to make the chinese disease a public issue
But crozier blew that up and to a certain extent aided the enemy
The Navy pretending it was not and firing a commander who dared t
The Captain did not send his letter to anyone who did not have need to know.
eaning he should have written only one letter not 30 of them
You can send information up the chain and horizontally along the command structure to those who need to know.
It was an important matter. One calling for expedited action
he went around his commanding officer and that cost him his ship
to which I say good riddance
Only his commanding officer decides who needs to know
Not true.
Most important correspondence has a lengthy cc: list
his commander makes that decision
Of course he doesn’t.
When you write a letter up the chain you cc: those who have a dog in the fight so they are aware of what is going on
You don’t send it up the chain and then have them trickle down
Mac-7
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I can see we are never going to agree on thisI disagreewrongThe letter went to his commanding officer and those with a need to knowbullshitNo he isn’t.his commander is the one and only one to decide who needs to knowConditions aboard a US Navy warship at sea are not open for public discussion unless the highest echelons on the Navy choose to allow itThe TRUMPvirus was already a public issue.you dont know thatThe fact that they did nothingWhat makes you think they were not going to do that anyway?What did the Navy do?You and crozier are over reactingWhat is the reality of a ship at sea with unchecked TRUMPvirus running through it and no way to isolate the crew?Reality.Based on what?no sailors on the USS Roosevelt died from the chinese disease
nor is it likely more would have died at sea than on land
no one died on the Roosevelt and few if any would have died
They followed Croziers advice, brought the ship to port and isolated the crew
but maybe they needed more time to ready a replacement
Croziers letter shaming the Navy got them to do something. Also got Crozier fired.
The Navy is still scrambling to put this thing behind them
I suspect the Navy did not want to make the chinese disease a public issue
But crozier blew that up and to a certain extent aided the enemy
The Navy pretending it was not and firing a commander who dared t
The Captain did not send his letter to anyone who did not have need to know.
eaning he should have written only one letter not 30 of them
You can send information up the chain and horizontally along the command structure to those who need to know.
It was an important matter. One calling for expedited action
he went around his commanding officer and that cost him his ship
to which I say good riddance
Only his commanding officer decides who needs to know
Not true.
Most important correspondence has a lengthy cc: list
his commander makes that decision
Of course he doesn’t.
When you write a letter up the chain you cc: those who have a dog in the fight so they are aware of what is going on
You don’t send it up the chain and then have them trickle down
the captain is no longer in command of a ship so he can do no further harm
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Neither is the Acting Sec of the NavyI can see we are never going to agree on thisI disagreewrongThe letter went to his commanding officer and those with a need to knowbullshitNo he isn’t.his commander is the one and only one to decide who needs to knowConditions aboard a US Navy warship at sea are not open for public discussion unless the highest echelons on the Navy choose to allow itThe TRUMPvirus was already a public issue.you dont know thatThe fact that they did nothingWhat makes you think they were not going to do that anyway?What did the Navy do?You and crozier are over reactingWhat is the reality of a ship at sea with unchecked TRUMPvirus running through it and no way to isolate the crew?Reality.Based on what?no sailors on the USS Roosevelt died from the chinese disease
nor is it likely more would have died at sea than on land
no one died on the Roosevelt and few if any would have died
They followed Croziers advice, brought the ship to port and isolated the crew
but maybe they needed more time to ready a replacement
Croziers letter shaming the Navy got them to do something. Also got Crozier fired.
The Navy is still scrambling to put this thing behind them
I suspect the Navy did not want to make the chinese disease a public issue
But crozier blew that up and to a certain extent aided the enemy
The Navy pretending it was not and firing a commander who dared t
The Captain did not send his letter to anyone who did not have need to know.
eaning he should have written only one letter not 30 of them
You can send information up the chain and horizontally along the command structure to those who need to know.
It was an important matter. One calling for expedited action
he went around his commanding officer and that cost him his ship
to which I say good riddance
Only his commanding officer decides who needs to know
Not true.
Most important correspondence has a lengthy cc: list
his commander makes that decision
Of course he doesn’t.
When you write a letter up the chain you cc: those who have a dog in the fight so they are aware of what is going on
You don’t send it up the chain and then have them trickle down
the captain is no longer in command of a ship so he can do no further harm
Don’t be surprised if the Captain gets another command
He lost his commandThat crozier was fired?My country, my NavyThis story is about the US Navy, not the Royal NavyCoronavirus warship row: Acting US Navy secretary resigns
The acting Navy chief was under fire for ousting a captain who pleaded for help fighting Covid-19.www.bbc.co.uk
The acting secretary of the US Navy has resigned amid uproar over his handling of a coronavirus outbreak on an aircraft carrier.
Thomas Modly fired the USS Theodore Roosevelt's captain after he pleaded for help in a letter leaked to media.
Mr Modly apologised on Monday after it emerged he had called Captain Brett Crozier's actions "naive" and "stupid".
Is Captain Crozier a hero of the Corona War or a commie subversive ?
I like the story of the crew applauding him when he left the ship. That must be worth more than any medal.
so its no business of yours
Is it false?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.
you and tommy can pound sand
once AGAIN --- is the story false?
you know he was fired
his next job could be sailing a desk somewhere till he retires
This story is about the US Navy, not dishonest message board posters. It's no business of yours.
Mac-7
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You are stubbornNeither is the Acting Sec of the NavyI can see we are never going to agree on thisI disagreewrongThe letter went to his commanding officer and those with a need to knowbullshitNo he isn’t.his commander is the one and only one to decide who needs to knowConditions aboard a US Navy warship at sea are not open for public discussion unless the highest echelons on the Navy choose to allow itThe TRUMPvirus was already a public issue.you dont know thatThe fact that they did nothingWhat makes you think they were not going to do that anyway?What did the Navy do?You and crozier are over reactingWhat is the reality of a ship at sea with unchecked TRUMPvirus running through it and no way to isolate the crew?Reality.Based on what?no sailors on the USS Roosevelt died from the chinese disease
nor is it likely more would have died at sea than on land
no one died on the Roosevelt and few if any would have died
They followed Croziers advice, brought the ship to port and isolated the crew
but maybe they needed more time to ready a replacement
Croziers letter shaming the Navy got them to do something. Also got Crozier fired.
The Navy is still scrambling to put this thing behind them
I suspect the Navy did not want to make the chinese disease a public issue
But crozier blew that up and to a certain extent aided the enemy
The Navy pretending it was not and firing a commander who dared t
The Captain did not send his letter to anyone who did not have need to know.
eaning he should have written only one letter not 30 of them
You can send information up the chain and horizontally along the command structure to those who need to know.
It was an important matter. One calling for expedited action
he went around his commanding officer and that cost him his ship
to which I say good riddance
Only his commanding officer decides who needs to know
Not true.
Most important correspondence has a lengthy cc: list
his commander makes that decision
Of course he doesn’t.
When you write a letter up the chain you cc: those who have a dog in the fight so they are aware of what is going on
You don’t send it up the chain and then have them trickle down
the captain is no longer in command of a ship so he can do no further harm
Don’t be surprised if the Captain gets another command
I dont know about the internal politics within the Navy
but hopefully he will ride a desk for the rest of his time in the service
Mac-7
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Its my navyHe lost his commandThat crozier was fired?My country, my NavyThis story is about the US Navy, not the Royal NavyCoronavirus warship row: Acting US Navy secretary resigns
The acting Navy chief was under fire for ousting a captain who pleaded for help fighting Covid-19.www.bbc.co.uk
The acting secretary of the US Navy has resigned amid uproar over his handling of a coronavirus outbreak on an aircraft carrier.
Thomas Modly fired the USS Theodore Roosevelt's captain after he pleaded for help in a letter leaked to media.
Mr Modly apologised on Monday after it emerged he had called Captain Brett Crozier's actions "naive" and "stupid".
Is Captain Crozier a hero of the Corona War or a commie subversive ?
I like the story of the crew applauding him when he left the ship. That must be worth more than any medal.
so its no business of yours
Is it false?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.
you and tommy can pound sand
once AGAIN --- is the story false?
you know he was fired
his next job could be sailing a desk somewhere till he retires
This story is about the US Navy, not dishonest message board posters. It's no business of yours.
if you are an American its your business too much as it distresses me to say so
DOTR
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This story is about the US Navy, not the Royal NavyCoronavirus warship row: Acting US Navy secretary resigns
The acting Navy chief was under fire for ousting a captain who pleaded for help fighting Covid-19.www.bbc.co.uk
The acting secretary of the US Navy has resigned amid uproar over his handling of a coronavirus outbreak on an aircraft carrier.
Thomas Modly fired the USS Theodore Roosevelt's captain after he pleaded for help in a letter leaked to media.
Mr Modly apologised on Monday after it emerged he had called Captain Brett Crozier's actions "naive" and "stupid".
Is Captain Crozier a hero of the Corona War or a commie subversive ?
I like the story of the crew applauding him when he left the ship. That must be worth more than any medal.
so its no business of yours
He hates the Royal Navy only slightly less.
DOTR
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You are stubbornNeither is the Acting Sec of the NavyI can see we are never going to agree on thisI disagreewrongThe letter went to his commanding officer and those with a need to knowbullshitNo he isn’t.his commander is the one and only one to decide who needs to knowConditions aboard a US Navy warship at sea are not open for public discussion unless the highest echelons on the Navy choose to allow itThe TRUMPvirus was already a public issue.you dont know thatThe fact that they did nothingWhat makes you think they were not going to do that anyway?What did the Navy do?You and crozier are over reactingWhat is the reality of a ship at sea with unchecked TRUMPvirus running through it and no way to isolate the crew?Reality.Based on what?no sailors on the USS Roosevelt died from the chinese disease
nor is it likely more would have died at sea than on land
no one died on the Roosevelt and few if any would have died
They followed Croziers advice, brought the ship to port and isolated the crew
but maybe they needed more time to ready a replacement
Croziers letter shaming the Navy got them to do something. Also got Crozier fired.
The Navy is still scrambling to put this thing behind them
I suspect the Navy did not want to make the chinese disease a public issue
But crozier blew that up and to a certain extent aided the enemy
The Navy pretending it was not and firing a commander who dared t
The Captain did not send his letter to anyone who did not have need to know.
eaning he should have written only one letter not 30 of them
You can send information up the chain and horizontally along the command structure to those who need to know.
It was an important matter. One calling for expedited action
he went around his commanding officer and that cost him his ship
to which I say good riddance
Only his commanding officer decides who needs to know
Not true.
Most important correspondence has a lengthy cc: list
his commander makes that decision
Of course he doesn’t.
When you write a letter up the chain you cc: those who have a dog in the fight so they are aware of what is going on
You don’t send it up the chain and then have them trickle down
the captain is no longer in command of a ship so he can do no further harm
Don’t be surprised if the Captain gets another command
I dont know about the internal politics within the Navy
but hopefully he will ride a desk for the rest of his time in the service
Hopefully he will be demoted and then fired.
Its my navyHe lost his commandThat crozier was fired?My country, my NavyThis story is about the US Navy, not the Royal NavyCoronavirus warship row: Acting US Navy secretary resigns
The acting Navy chief was under fire for ousting a captain who pleaded for help fighting Covid-19.www.bbc.co.uk
The acting secretary of the US Navy has resigned amid uproar over his handling of a coronavirus outbreak on an aircraft carrier.
Thomas Modly fired the USS Theodore Roosevelt's captain after he pleaded for help in a letter leaked to media.
Mr Modly apologised on Monday after it emerged he had called Captain Brett Crozier's actions "naive" and "stupid".
Is Captain Crozier a hero of the Corona War or a commie subversive ?
I like the story of the crew applauding him when he left the ship. That must be worth more than any medal.
so its no business of yours
Is it false?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.
you and tommy can pound sand
once AGAIN --- is the story false?
you know he was fired
his next job could be sailing a desk somewhere till he retires
This story is about the US Navy, not dishonest message board posters. It's no business of yours.
if you are an American its your business too much as it distresses me to say so
Nope. It's the Navy, not you. YOUR OWN LOGIC from above. You know --- that post you're running away from.
Mac-7
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Sorry but its my NavyIts my navyHe lost his commandThat crozier was fired?My country, my NavyThis story is about the US Navy, not the Royal NavyCoronavirus warship row: Acting US Navy secretary resigns
The acting Navy chief was under fire for ousting a captain who pleaded for help fighting Covid-19.www.bbc.co.uk
The acting secretary of the US Navy has resigned amid uproar over his handling of a coronavirus outbreak on an aircraft carrier.
Thomas Modly fired the USS Theodore Roosevelt's captain after he pleaded for help in a letter leaked to media.
Mr Modly apologised on Monday after it emerged he had called Captain Brett Crozier's actions "naive" and "stupid".
Is Captain Crozier a hero of the Corona War or a commie subversive ?
I like the story of the crew applauding him when he left the ship. That must be worth more than any medal.
so its no business of yours
Is it false?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.
you and tommy can pound sand
once AGAIN --- is the story false?
you know he was fired
his next job could be sailing a desk somewhere till he retires
This story is about the US Navy, not dishonest message board posters. It's no business of yours.
if you are an American its your business too much as it distresses me to say so
Nope. It's the Navy, not you. YOUR OWN LOGIC from above. You know --- that post you're running away from.
and yours too if you are an American
DOTR
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But he will go down as a hero who placed honor and integrity first and foremost ahead of all other political considerations.
You had an excellent post and I agree with most of your outstanding analysis.
However, I am not sure Crozier will ever be considered a hero. He let a very sensitive memo leak to the sensational news media. That caused tremendous problems for the Navy and for the government.
He didn't do it on purpose and he had his heart in the right place but he harmed the security of the US and he certainly upset the families of the sailors aboard the ship. Doing something like that is one of these "no excuse" things that all Navy Captains are held accountable for.
Then there was the issue of allowing shore leave in Vietnam. First of all as a Vietnam veteran I am wondering why in the hell are we even allowing the military to visit Vietnam? However, putting that issue aside he did it when the Pandemic was underway. That by itself was a serious lack of judgement.
“Let”? He wrote it for the media.
Shawnee_b
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Sink the fuker. Blame it on chinesse or dems, same sing
SavannahMann
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USS Theodore Roosevelt sailor who tested positive for coronavirus DIES
A sailor who tested positive for coronavirus on board USS Theodore Roosevelt has died after he was put into isolation housing in Guam last month and entered the ICU Thursday.
First death. I wonder what would have happened if Crozier had not sent the memo? Would they be ordered to toss the corpse overboard.
SavannahMann
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People who have never been aboard a Navy Ship operate under the idea it is like a cruise ship. It is big and has lots of cabins for the crew to use and enjoy. It is nothing of the sort.
This may give you a hint of what it is like. Sectioning off part of the ship to serve as quarantine quarters is virtually impossible. Every cubic foot is in use on the ship. Nothing. Not even a cubic inch is wasted.
This may give you a hint of what it is like. Sectioning off part of the ship to serve as quarantine quarters is virtually impossible. Every cubic foot is in use on the ship. Nothing. Not even a cubic inch is wasted.
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People who have never been aboard a Navy Ship operate under the idea it is like a cruise ship. It is big and has lots of cabins for the crew to use and enjoy. It is nothing of the sort.
This may give you a hint of what it is like. Sectioning off part of the ship to serve as quarantine quarters is virtually impossible. Every cubic foot is in use on the ship. Nothing. Not even a cubic inch is wasted.
No hot tubs?
SavannahMann
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People who have never been aboard a Navy Ship operate under the idea it is like a cruise ship. It is big and has lots of cabins for the crew to use and enjoy. It is nothing of the sort.
This may give you a hint of what it is like. Sectioning off part of the ship to serve as quarantine quarters is virtually impossible. Every cubic foot is in use on the ship. Nothing. Not even a cubic inch is wasted.
No hot tubs?
Nope. No swimming pool either. In fact finding space and time for your Sunday Crap is impossible. Everywhere you go there are ten people elbow to elbow with you. But hey. You do get about eighteen inches to sleep in.
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