Act of Political retribution by the Right?

[Luckyone]

It's funny to watch you guys claim that Trump says things "without evidence" and then you turn right around and do the same thing yourself.

I did NOT accuse him on this. I pointed out the possibilities/probabilities based on what had happened in the past.

 

[hadit]

Sure!

A dictator shuts down opposition parties, not TRUMP!. A dictator imprisons and executes opposition party members, not TRUMP!. A dictator controls the media, not TRUMP!. A dictator stays in office until he dies, not TRUMP!. Feel free to admit at any time that you're full of it.

 

[Papageorgio]

A dictator shuts down opposition parties, not TRUMP!. A dictator imprisons and executes opposition party members, not TRUMP!. A dictator controls the media, not TRUMP!. A dictator stays in office until he dies, not TRUMP!. Feel free to admit at any time that you're full of it.

His precious ego can’t handle admitting he is wrong, he just comes up with excuses.

 

[sealybobo]

Then why a thread attacking the right for it when there is no proof?

It's obvious. Like the Biden Crime family. You didn't have proof but you were certain. The House of Reps certainly found no proof.

 

[Luckyone]

A dictator shuts down opposition parties, not TRUMP!. A dictator imprisons and executes opposition party members, not TRUMP!. A dictator controls the media, not TRUMP!. A dictator stays in office until he dies, not TRUMP!. Feel free to admit at any time that you're full of it.

First of all, the U.S. has been a Democratic Republic for 250 years and you do not change that overnight. In fact, to turn this country into a dictatorship, it will take many years, and it will be a slow process.

Nonetheless, there are guidelines to follow, and Trump is following them to a tee. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT! At least there is no doubt about it to those that are not kissing his ass, blind-by-choice, and happy about what he is doing.

On top of that, Trump has one problem to overcome that is very difficult for him to do, which is his INCOMPETENCY!

If Putin was the president here, it would happen more quickly and with less chaos.

Nonetheless, CHAOS is the key word I always use, because his incompetency and what he is trying to accomplish will fail to a degree where this country will no longer be a Democratic Republic but will also not be a successful Dictatorship.

It will be much like Maduro and Venezuela...........pure utter chaos!

 

[leftwinger]

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Of course it doesn't.

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Its becoming an embarrassment. All the 95 yr old Dem criminals + TurnCoat Turtle and TurnCoatThune. Another fall.

 

[leftwinger]

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They have got some pretty twisted rules.

Just give them back what they give you.

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I hate to be as dirty low as DEM. But too hard on little phone to fight then otherwise most times.

 

[Papageorgio]

First of all, the U.S. has been a Democratic Republic for 250 years and you do not change that overnight. In fact, to turn this country into a dictatorship, it will take many years, and it will be a slow process.

Nonetheless, there are guidelines to follow, and Trump is following them to a tee. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT! At least there is no doubt about it to those that are not kissing his ass, blind-by-choice, and happy about what he is doing.

On top of that, Trump has one problem to overcome that is very difficult for him to do, which is his INCOMPETENCY!

If Putin was the president here, it would happen more quickly and with less chaos.

Nonetheless, CHAOS is the key word I always use, because his incompetency and what he is trying to accomplish will fail to a degree where this country will no longer be a Democratic Republic but will also not be a successful Dictatorship.

It will be much like Maduro and Venezuela...........pure utter chaos!

No proof, just your judgement which keeps failing, elections prediction, failed, judge hours fire, failed, stock market predictions, lots of them all failed and you have the nerve to call someone else incompetent? lol!

You are so clueless.

 

[leftwinger]

It's obvious. Like the Biden Crime family. You didn't have proof but you were certain. The House of Reps certainly found no proof.

Burizma, with $1B aid to fire prosecutor to stop it, overseas S-corps but no business or product, bribes off charts.

You are the dumbest dirty OX of 2025 winner. But it's not over yet? You could survive the contest.

 

[DonGlock26]

Where's the arson?

 

[sealybobo]

Burizma, with $1B aid to fire prosecutor to stop it, overseas S-corps but no business or product, bribes off charts.

You are the dumbest dirty OX of 2025 winner. But it's not over yet? You could survive the contest.

I looked up Burisma and wiki starts off with This article is about the conspiracy theory that....

Conspiracy theory. Utter bullshit from the OX of USMB. YOU dope. LOL

And the hypocrisy is staggering.

The Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory is a series of false allegations that Joe Biden, while he was vice president of the United States, improperly withheld a loan guarantee and took a bribe to pressure Ukraine into firing prosecutor general Viktor Shokin to prevent a corruption investigation of Ukrainian gas company Burisma and to protect his son Hunter Biden, who was on the Burisma board. As part of efforts by Donald Trump and his campaign in the Trump–Ukraine scandal, which led to Trump's first impeachment, these falsehoods were spread in an attempt to damage Joe Biden's reputation and chances during the 2020 presidential campaign, and later in an effort to impeach him.

I bet you think 2020 election was stolen too huh?

 

[hadit]

First of all, the U.S. has been a Democratic Republic for 250 years and you do not change that overnight. In fact, to turn this country into a dictatorship, it will take many years, and it will be a slow process.

Nonetheless, there are guidelines to follow, and Trump is following them to a tee. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT! At least there is no doubt about it to those that are not kissing his ass, blind-by-choice, and happy about what he is doing.

On top of that, Trump has one problem to overcome that is very difficult for him to do, which is his INCOMPETENCY!

If Putin was the president here, it would happen more quickly and with less chaos.

Nonetheless, CHAOS is the key word I always use, because his incompetency and what he is trying to accomplish will fail to a degree where this country will no longer be a Democratic Republic but will also not be a successful Dictatorship.

It will be much like Maduro and Venezuela...........pure utter chaos!

How amusing, to claim someone wants to be a dictator but is taking the slow route to get there and who will inevitably die long before he can accomplish said goal.

IOW, pure nonsense.

 

[Luckyone]

How amusing, to claim someone wants to be a dictator but is taking the slow route to get there and who will inevitably die long before he can accomplish said goal.

IOW, pure nonsense.

I tell you what you can do to convince me that YOU are correct.

Take these standard guidelines for becoming a dictator and tell me (with proof) that Trump is not doing that:

7 Steps to Becoming a Dictator​

A manual for strengthening your power position as elected leader.​

As a democratically elected leader, getting absolute power is no easy feat. Just look at Hitler, or more recently, at Zimbabwe’s Mugabe, Russia’s Putin, or Turkey’s Erdogan. Here are some helpful tips for a prolonged iron rule.

1. Expand your power base through nepotism and corruption.

This is not just a tactic adopted in third world countries. Scandals like Bridgegate, Koreagate, Monicagate and Watergate demonstrate that the powerful will always find ways to abuse their privileges. Be warned, though: You will eventually be rumbled, so corruption tends to work only in the short term.

2. Instigate a monopoly on the use of force to curb public protest.

Dictators cannot survive for long without disarming the people and buttering up the military. Former dictators such as Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan, Mobutu Sese Seko of the Congo, and Idi Amin of Uganda were high-ranked army officers who co-opted the military in order to overthrow democracies in favour of dictatorships. Yet democracies are not always more popular than dictatorships. In reality, people prefer dictatorships if the alternative is chaos. This explains the nostalgia for rulers like Stalin and Mao, who were mass murderers but who provided social order. One retired middle-ranking official in Beijing told the Asia Times: "I earned less than 100 yuan a month in Mao's time. I could barely save each month but I never worried about anything. My work unit would take care of everything for me: housing, medical care, and my children's education, though there were no luxuries…Now I receive 3,000 yuan as a [monthly] pension, but I have to count every penny—everything is so expensive and no one will take care of me now if I fall ill."

Indeed, when given the choice in an experiment, people will desert an unstructured group (analogous to an anything-goes society) and seek the order of a "punishing regime," which has the authority to identify and reprimand cheats. This lawlessness can be seen in hunter-gatherer tribes, too. When anthropologists visited a New Guinea tribe, they found that a third of males suffered a violent death.

3. Curry favor by providing public goods efficiently and generously.

Benevolent dictatorship was practised by Lee Kuan Yew, prime minister of Singapore for 31 years. Lee believed that ordinary people could not be entrusted with power because it would corrupt them, and that economics was the major stabilizing force in society. To this end, he effectively eliminated all opposition by using his constitutional powers to detain suspects without trial for two years without the right of appeal. To implement his economic policies, Lee allowed only one political party, one newspaper, one trade union movement, and one language.

Socially, Lee encouraged people to uphold the family system, discipline their children, be more courteous, and avoid pornography. As well as setting up a government dating service for single graduates, he urged people to take better aim in public toilets and handed out hefty fines for littering. Singaporeans tolerated these restrictions on their freedom because they valued their economic security more. On this point, Lee did not disappoint, turning Singapore into one of the world's wealthiest countries (per capita).

4. Get rid of your political enemies...

...or, more cleverly, embrace them in the hope that the bear hug will neutralize them. Zimbabwe’s former dictator Mugabe abandoned the unpopular practice of murdering political rivals and instead bribed them, with political office, for their support. Idi Amin, who came to power in Uganda after a military coup, stuck with the murderous route: During his eight years at the top, he is estimated to have killed between 80,000 and 300,000 people. His victims included cabinet ministers, judicial figures, bankers, intellectuals, journalists, and a former prime minister. At the lower end of the scale, that's a hit rate of 27 executions a day.

5. Create and defeat a common enemy.

By facing down Nazi Germany, Churchill, de Gaulle, Roosevelt, and Stalin sealed their reputations as great leaders. Legendary warlords such as Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, and Napoleon were military geniuses who expanded their countries' territories through invading their neighbours. Dictatorships feed on wars and other external threats because these justify their existence—swift military action requires a central command-and-control structure.

More than half of 20th-century rulers engaged in battles at some point during their reign, either as aggressors or defenders. Among dictators, the proportion rises to 88 per cent. Democratic rulers find this tactic more difficult to adopt because most wars are unpopular with voters. To attract support, the ruler must be perceived as a defender, not a warmonger. The former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher received a lucky boost to her popularity after Argentina, a military dwarf, invaded the British-owned Falkland Islands; she triumphed over her Argentine enemies. Another former British PM, Tony Blair, was not so lucky. Although the 9/11 attacks did much to strengthen his government, his decision to attack Iraq (ostensibly to defend Britain from a long-range missile attack) sullied his legacy.

6. Accumulate power by manipulating the hearts and minds of your citizens.

One of the first actions of any aspiring dictator should be to control the free flow of information, because it plugs a potential channel of criticism. Turn the media into a propaganda machine for your regime like Hitler did and Erdogan does now. Other leaders, such as Myanmar's ruling junta, shut down media outlets completely. Democratically elected leaders are somewhat more restrained, but if they have enough powers, they can rig an election or do away with meddlesome journalists (like Vladimir Putin's Russia) or, if money is no object, build their own media empire.

Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi owned nearly half the Italian media, encompassing national television channels, radio stations, newspapers and magazines. Unsurprisingly, these outlets carefully managed Berlusconi's public image and shielded him from criticism. Aspiring dictators should note that muzzling the media is most effective in an ordered society: A 2007 poll of more than 11,000 people in 14 countries, on behalf of the BBC, found that 40 per cent of respondents across countries from India to Finland thought social harmony was more important than press freedom.

7. Create an ideology to justify an exalted position.

Throughout history, leaders have used—or in some cases invented—an ideology to legitimize their power. In the original chiefdoms like Hawaii, the chiefs were both political leaders and priests, who claimed to be communicating with the gods in order to bring about a generous harvest. Conveniently, this ideology often passed as an explanation of why the chief should occupy the role for life, and why the post should pass to the chief's descendants. Accordingly, these chiefdoms spent much time and effort building temples and other religious institutions, to give a formal structure to the chief's power.

Henry VIII of England started his own religion when the Pope refused to annul his marriage to Catherine of Aragon. He created the Church of England, appointed himself Supreme Head and granted his own annulment. Other ideologies include personality cults such as Mao-ism or Stalinism; some serve to unite a nation divided by ethnicity, religion or language.

 

[sealybobo]

How amusing, to claim someone wants to be a dictator but is taking the slow route to get there and who will inevitably die long before he can accomplish said goal.

IOW, pure nonsense.

He's acting like a dictator right now. Who knows how long he will live. Yea, he probably won't be alive in 2029 so you probably shouldn't run him. But what happens when a dictator dies? Who wins the next election and the election after that? Is it JD Vance? RIGGED!

 

[hadit]

He's acting like a dictator right now. Who knows how long he will live. Yea, he probably won't be alive in 2029 so you probably shouldn't run him. But what happens when a dictator dies? Who wins the next election and the election after that? Is it JD Vance? RIGGED!

After a dictator dies, there are no elections. The next strong man seizes power. TRUMP! will leave office in '29 right on schedule and you can relax as JD is sworn in, having won the election.

 

[hadit]

I tell you what you can do to convince me that YOU are correct.

Take these standard guidelines for becoming a dictator and tell me (with proof) that Trump is not doing that:

Prove the negative? That's not convincing. I'll post, but expect you to provide proof he IS doing these.

7 Steps to Becoming a Dictator​

A manual for strengthening your power position as elected leader.​

As a democratically elected leader, getting absolute power is no easy feat. Just look at Hitler, or more recently, at Zimbabwe’s Mugabe, Russia’s Putin, or Turkey’s Erdogan. Here are some helpful tips for a prolonged iron rule.

1. Expand your power base through nepotism and corruption.

This is not just a tactic adopted in third world countries. Scandals like Bridgegate, Koreagate, Monicagate and Watergate demonstrate that the powerful will always find ways to abuse their privileges. Be warned, though: You will eventually be rumbled, so corruption tends to work only in the short term.

Right, your example shows that multiple presidents have done this in the past. Were they attempting to become dictators as well? This one doesn't apply.

2. Instigate a monopoly on the use of force to curb public protest.

Dictators cannot survive for long without disarming the people and buttering up the military. Former dictators such as Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan, Mobutu Sese Seko of the Congo, and Idi Amin of Uganda were high-ranked army officers who co-opted the military in order to overthrow democracies in favour of dictatorships. Yet democracies are not always more popular than dictatorships. In reality, people prefer dictatorships if the alternative is chaos. This explains the nostalgia for rulers like Stalin and Mao, who were mass murderers but who provided social order. One retired middle-ranking official in Beijing told the Asia Times: "I earned less than 100 yuan a month in Mao's time. I could barely save each month but I never worried about anything. My work unit would take care of everything for me: housing, medical care, and my children's education, though there were no luxuries…Now I receive 3,000 yuan as a [monthly] pension, but I have to count every penny—everything is so expensive and no one will take care of me now if I fall ill."

Indeed, when given the choice in an experiment, people will desert an unstructured group (analogous to an anything-goes society) and seek the order of a "punishing regime," which has the authority to identify and reprimand cheats. This lawlessness can be seen in hunter-gatherer tribes, too. When anthropologists visited a New Guinea tribe, they found that a third of males suffered a violent death.

And there is no move from the White House to disarm anyone. This one doesn't apply.

3. Curry favor by providing public goods efficiently and generously.

Benevolent dictatorship was practised by Lee Kuan Yew, prime minister of Singapore for 31 years. Lee believed that ordinary people could not be entrusted with power because it would corrupt them, and that economics was the major stabilizing force in society. To this end, he effectively eliminated all opposition by using his constitutional powers to detain suspects without trial for two years without the right of appeal. To implement his economic policies, Lee allowed only one political party, one newspaper, one trade union movement, and one language.

Socially, Lee encouraged people to uphold the family system, discipline their children, be more courteous, and avoid pornography. As well as setting up a government dating service for single graduates, he urged people to take better aim in public toilets and handed out hefty fines for littering. Singaporeans tolerated these restrictions on their freedom because they valued their economic security more. On this point, Lee did not disappoint, turning Singapore into one of the world's wealthiest countries (per capita).

I thought you guys were complaining that TRUMP! was CUTTING and ELIMINATING public services. I remember a hullabaloo around something called DOGE that was going to cause untold suffering, followed by Tariffs gonna kill us all. This one doesn't apply.

4. Get rid of your political enemies...

...or, more cleverly, embrace them in the hope that the bear hug will neutralize them. Zimbabwe’s former dictator Mugabe abandoned the unpopular practice of murdering political rivals and instead bribed them, with political office, for their support. Idi Amin, who came to power in Uganda after a military coup, stuck with the murderous route: During his eight years at the top, he is estimated to have killed between 80,000 and 300,000 people. His victims included cabinet ministers, judicial figures, bankers, intellectuals, journalists, and a former prime minister. At the lower end of the scale, that's a hit rate of 27 executions a day.

This is ludicrous on its face. No one is eliminating political enemies as evidenced by their continued existence and access to media. Just for two examples, who is shutting up Schumer and AOC? This one doesn't apply.

5. Create and defeat a common enemy.

By facing down Nazi Germany, Churchill, de Gaulle, Roosevelt, and Stalin sealed their reputations as great leaders. Legendary warlords such as Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, and Napoleon were military geniuses who expanded their countries' territories through invading their neighbours. Dictatorships feed on wars and other external threats because these justify their existence—swift military action requires a central command-and-control structure.

More than half of 20th-century rulers engaged in battles at some point during their reign, either as aggressors or defenders. Among dictators, the proportion rises to 88 per cent. Democratic rulers find this tactic more difficult to adopt because most wars are unpopular with voters. To attract support, the ruler must be perceived as a defender, not a warmonger. The former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher received a lucky boost to her popularity after Argentina, a military dwarf, invaded the British-owned Falkland Islands; she triumphed over her Argentine enemies. Another former British PM, Tony Blair, was not so lucky. Although the 9/11 attacks did much to strengthen his government, his decision to attack Iraq (ostensibly to defend Britain from a long-range missile attack) sullied his legacy.

We have multiple enemies that would love to destroy our country. In the face of that, TRUMP! continues to bring peace between warring factions. This one doesn't apply.

6. Accumulate power by manipulating the hearts and minds of your citizens.

One of the first actions of any aspiring dictator should be to control the free flow of information, because it plugs a potential channel of criticism. Turn the media into a propaganda machine for your regime like Hitler did and Erdogan does now. Other leaders, such as Myanmar's ruling junta, shut down media outlets completely. Democratically elected leaders are somewhat more restrained, but if they have enough powers, they can rig an election or do away with meddlesome journalists (like Vladimir Putin's Russia) or, if money is no object, build their own media empire.

Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi owned nearly half the Italian media, encompassing national television channels, radio stations, newspapers and magazines. Unsurprisingly, these outlets carefully managed Berlusconi's public image and shielded him from criticism. Aspiring dictators should note that muzzling the media is most effective in an ordered society: A 2007 poll of more than 11,000 people in 14 countries, on behalf of the BBC, found that 40 per cent of respondents across countries from India to Finland thought social harmony was more important than press freedom.

The press is still free, as evidenced by the usual suspects continued freedom to attack the president.

7. Create an ideology to justify an exalted position.

Throughout history, leaders have used—or in some cases invented—an ideology to legitimize their power. In the original chiefdoms like Hawaii, the chiefs were both political leaders and priests, who claimed to be communicating with the gods in order to bring about a generous harvest. Conveniently, this ideology often passed as an explanation of why the chief should occupy the role for life, and why the post should pass to the chief's descendants. Accordingly, these chiefdoms spent much time and effort building temples and other religious institutions, to give a formal structure to the chief's power.

Henry VIII of England started his own religion when the Pope refused to annul his marriage to Catherine of Aragon. He created the Church of England, appointed himself Supreme Head and granted his own annulment. Other ideologies include personality cults such as Mao-ism or Stalinism; some serve to unite a nation divided by ethnicity, religion or language.

There is no new ideology as evidenced by no new religions started, no political pressure to join any religions, etc. This one doesn't apply.

You forgot a very important one, stop elections. He's not going to do that. If he tried, he would be stopped. No dictator is going to allow an election to kick him out of office.

 

[sealybobo]

Burizma, with $1B aid to fire prosecutor to stop it, overseas S-corps but no business or product, bribes off charts.

You are the dumbest dirty OX of 2025 winner. But it's not over yet? You could survive the contest.

So you read what Biden was accused of doing. Now you realize holy shit Trump has done that 1000 times since taking office 10 months ago. Right?

 

[sealybobo]

After a dictator dies, there are no elections. The next strong man seizes power. TRUMP! will leave office in '29 right on schedule and you can relax as JD is sworn in, having won the election.

What a gullible dope you are. Headlines from 2024

Putin wins Russia election in landslide with no serious competition​

You will still get to vote. They just won't count anymore. Dumb mother ******.

 

[hadit]

What a gullible dope you are. Headlines from 2024

Putin wins Russia election in landslide with no serious competition​

You will still get to vote. They just won't count anymore. Dumb mother ******.

Oh, you thought Russian elections mattered? TRUMP! won't even run 2028.

 

[sealybobo]

No proof, just your judgement which keeps failing, elections prediction, failed, judge hours fire, failed, stock market predictions, lots of them all failed and you have the nerve to call someone else incompetent? lol!

You are so clueless.

Crazy when I agree with MTG and you with Trump

In early October 2025, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene acknowledged that inflation has left Americans with higher costs and stagnant wages, a reality she said has made it difficult for people to get by. Her comments came during an interview on CNN, where she expressed concern over the rising cost of living and healthcare.

But Trump's doing a great job right? Let me ask you do you like

Everything
Most of
some of
what Trump's doing?

Where do you fall? I like some. Very little but some. You?