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Perhaps some of you saw it - on Judge Judy a few weeks back - a young girl, I think she said she was 20, was suing someone.
Skipping the whole story and just listing the facts:
1) She was getting $1400 a month in unemployment from a state agency that takes medicare money and pays for home healthcare "professionals" to care of bed-ridden elderly. (She has zero previous experience)
2) The woman she was "working" to take care of was her grandmother.
3) She received $907 every 2 weeks.
4) She was "laid off".
5) Her Aunt was "hired" to replace her.
6) The girl herself was "hired" in the first place to replace her Mother who is CURRENTLY also receiving $1400 a month in unemployment for being "laid off".
Total cost to taxpayers per month for all 3 women: $4614
Anyone want to bet that this agency is in on the scam...and very likely many others?
I saw it and JJ dismissed her case. But not all 3 received it at the same time. The testimony may have indicated that but that is not how it works.
No matter how it works I oppose that. HH is abused by all.
Perhaps some of you saw it - on Judge Judy a few weeks back - a young girl, I think she said she was 20, was suing someone.
Skipping the whole story and just listing the facts:
1) She was getting $1400 a month in unemployment from a state agency that takes medicare money and pays for home healthcare "professionals" to care of bed-ridden elderly. (She has zero previous experience)
2) The woman she was "working" to take care of was her grandmother.
3) She received $907 every 2 weeks.
4) She was "laid off".
5) Her Aunt was "hired" to replace her.
6) The girl herself was "hired" in the first place to replace her Mother who is CURRENTLY also receiving $1400 a month in unemployment for being "laid off".
Total cost to taxpayers per month for all 3 women: $4614
Anyone want to bet that this agency is in on the scam...and very likely many others?
I saw it and JJ dismissed her case. But not all 3 received it at the same time. The testimony may have indicated that but that is not how it works.
No matter how it works I oppose that. HH is abused by all.
She regularly dismisses cases filed by people she learns is scamming the system.
My bad I guess on the thinking all 3 got it at same time....at any rate...3 family members getting paid and receiving unemployment for absolutely nothing is as unbelievable as it is common.
Solid case of why everyone should be drug tested before they get they gubbmint check.
Corrections and parole officers deal with this on the hour. Get their opinion first and they tell you a different story in their real world.
What are you going to do? Test them every month?
The only reliable drug test out there is hair follicle.
$700 a whap.
So you pay $8400.00 a year to drug test them?
Great 30 second sound bite for a political candidate but in the real world would not work. Piss in a jar is about 50% reliable, if that.
And guess what? These folks have a gallon jug filled with PRESCRIPTION DOPE, which by law can not be included in any probation or parole violations as it is from a "doctor".
They prefer the prescription dope 10-1 anyway. That is the good stuff.
Wingnuts will cut govt spending by wasting $BILLIONS$ to drug test the disabled
I saw it and JJ dismissed her case. But not all 3 received it at the same time. The testimony may have indicated that but that is not how it works.
No matter how it works I oppose that. HH is abused by all.
She regularly dismisses cases filed by people she learns is scamming the system.
My bad I guess on the thinking all 3 got it at same time....at any rate...3 family members getting paid and receiving unemployment for absolutely nothing is as unbelievable as it is common.
Frankly, I don't know what's going on with state employment offices who are SUPPOSED TO make weekly decisions over every single claim and whether it merits continuance. In Vermont, to claim weekly uninsurance benefits means hitting the streets and actually talking to potential employers, which then must be listed on a form and submitted to the local employment office every week. They then CALL those contacts to make sure you're not lying, and if you are, forget it: You're finished. No more compensation. Are they just not doing this anymore?
Again, at least in Vermont, a person claiming unemployment compensation is only allowed the first 26 weeks to reject an employment offer in the same job discipline from which he/she was laid off. After that, they are expected to accept any job offer outside of their expertise AND salary range. Are they not doing this either?
I have an ex-boyfriend who's 40 year old roomate currently collects disability on the government because she cannot "breathe properly". She is on oxygen however she smokes close to a carton of cigarrettes a day as well as uses the money to buy drugs. Because she is on oxygen the government also pays her electric bill - which is always unusually high due to the fact that they have purchased expensive lighting because they use these lights to grow marijuana plants. Is this an abuse of our programs? How typical are these situations and what can be done?
I once worked for a very wealthy chum who specialized in buying up slums and filling them with Chapter 8 housing clients because he knew he could maintain those places as slums ( the government paid far too much for the rents there) and get away with it as long as he bribed the right people.
What ought to be done about people like that?
Corrections and parole officers deal with this on the hour. Get their opinion first and they tell you a different story in their real world.
What are you going to do? Test them every month?
The only reliable drug test out there is hair follicle.
$700 a whap.
So you pay $8400.00 a year to drug test them?
Great 30 second sound bite for a political candidate but in the real world would not work. Piss in a jar is about 50% reliable, if that.
And guess what? These folks have a gallon jug filled with PRESCRIPTION DOPE, which by law can not be included in any probation or parole violations as it is from a "doctor".
They prefer the prescription dope 10-1 anyway. That is the good stuff.
Wingnuts will cut govt spending by wasting $BILLIONS$ to drug test the disabled
Not this wingnut. The people I usually hear who want to control the lives of those on government programs, who want to determine who lives, who dies, who eats what...are liberal wingnuts. Lars Larsen would like all food stamp recipients to have mandatory drug testing; but he's the only one I'm aware of who wants that. I know I certainly don't....these programs prevent children of drug addicts from starving to death.
Gadawg73 wrote:
As a citizen in a socialized medical disability program she has a duty to practice health decisions that affect her health positively.
Most private insurers regularly check up on their disability patients and if they do not follow certain guidelines for their recovery and therapy then they do not receive further disability payments.
Our tax dollars are not grown on trees and the amount of $ that is paid into the system as social security is not even close to an acturial dollar amount of current and future claims for disability.
The system should not reward her for bad choices. It doesn't in the provate sector and it should not in the public.
No private disability policy has any provision whatsoever about making healthier choices in future after the initial award. NONE.
I have an ex-boyfriend who's 40 year old roomate currently collects disability on the government because she cannot "breathe properly". She is on oxygen however she smokes close to a carton of cigarrettes a day as well as uses the money to buy drugs. Because she is on oxygen the government also pays her electric bill - which is always unusually high due to the fact that they have purchased expensive lighting because they use these lights to grow marijuana plants. Is this an abuse of our programs? How typical are these situations and what can be done?
Report him anonymously to the local social services office and request that they send a person out to follow up on his "claim." Unless someone does that, these things go on indefinitely. You can also report it here:
Fraud Hotline
I would do both, and I have. It may be more difficult if the person is on Social Security retirement and not SSD or SSI, but they should still be made aware that a person is blatantly abusing the system. A carton a day? I don't think this person will live much longer anyway by breathing pure oxygen and THEN smoking a cigarette!
You assume the story isn't made up. Filing flase reports might be a crime, and are definitely a civil tort.
Corrections and parole officers deal with this on the hour. Get their opinion first and they tell you a different story in their real world.
What are you going to do? Test them every month?
The only reliable drug test out there is hair follicle.
$700 a whap.
So you pay $8400.00 a year to drug test them?
Great 30 second sound bite for a political candidate but in the real world would not work. Piss in a jar is about 50% reliable, if that.
And guess what? These folks have a gallon jug filled with PRESCRIPTION DOPE, which by law can not be included in any probation or parole violations as it is from a "doctor".
They prefer the prescription dope 10-1 anyway. That is the good stuff.
Wingnuts will cut govt spending by wasting $BILLIONS$ to drug test the disabled
Not this wingnut. The people I usually hear who want to control the lives of those on government programs, who want to determine who lives, who dies, who eats what...are liberal wingnuts. Lars Larsen would like all food stamp recipients to have mandatory drug testing; but he's the only one I'm aware of who wants that. I know I certainly don't....these programs prevent children of drug addicts from starving to death.
I saw it and JJ dismissed her case. But not all 3 received it at the same time. The testimony may have indicated that but that is not how it works.
No matter how it works I oppose that. HH is abused by all.
She regularly dismisses cases filed by people she learns is scamming the system.
My bad I guess on the thinking all 3 got it at same time....at any rate...3 family members getting paid and receiving unemployment for absolutely nothing is as unbelievable as it is common.
Frankly, I don't know what's going on with state employment offices who are SUPPOSED TO make weekly decisions over every single claim and whether it merits continuance. In Vermont, to claim weekly uninsurance benefits means hitting the streets and actually talking to potential employers, which then must be listed on a form and submitted to the local employment office every week. They then CALL those contacts to make sure you're not lying, and if you are, forget it: You're finished. No more compensation. Are they just not doing this anymore?
Again, at least in Vermont, a person claiming unemployment compensation is only allowed the first 26 weeks to reject an employment offer in the same job discipline from which he/she was laid off. After that, they are expected to accept any job offer outside of their expertise AND salary range. Are they not doing this either?
She regularly dismisses cases filed by people she learns is scamming the system.
My bad I guess on the thinking all 3 got it at same time....at any rate...3 family members getting paid and receiving unemployment for absolutely nothing is as unbelievable as it is common.
Frankly, I don't know what's going on with state employment offices who are SUPPOSED TO make weekly decisions over every single claim and whether it merits continuance. In Vermont, to claim weekly uninsurance benefits means hitting the streets and actually talking to potential employers, which then must be listed on a form and submitted to the local employment office every week. They then CALL those contacts to make sure you're not lying, and if you are, forget it: You're finished. No more compensation. Are they just not doing this anymore?
Again, at least in Vermont, a person claiming unemployment compensation is only allowed the first 26 weeks to reject an employment offer in the same job discipline from which he/she was laid off. After that, they are expected to accept any job offer outside of their expertise AND salary range. Are they not doing this either?
The problem shows that the rightwing myth about local and state govts being more efficient is just another lie.
Wingnuts will cut govt spending by wasting $BILLIONS$ to drug test the disabled
Not this wingnut. The people I usually hear who want to control the lives of those on government programs, who want to determine who lives, who dies, who eats what...are liberal wingnuts. Lars Larsen would like all food stamp recipients to have mandatory drug testing; but he's the only one I'm aware of who wants that. I know I certainly don't....these programs prevent children of drug addicts from starving to death.
It isn't about "control." It's about either spending the money up front to save lives, or spending money down the road when people can legitimately no longer work, feed themselves properly or pay their rent, and when that happens having to take care of them anyway. People who abuse the system aren't necessarily "liberal wingnuts," but just lazy slobs who don't give a shit about politics.
Wingnuts will cut govt spending by wasting $BILLIONS$ to drug test the disabled
Not this wingnut. The people I usually hear who want to control the lives of those on government programs, who want to determine who lives, who dies, who eats what...are liberal wingnuts. Lars Larsen would like all food stamp recipients to have mandatory drug testing; but he's the only one I'm aware of who wants that. I know I certainly don't....these programs prevent children of drug addicts from starving to death.
Ummm, the entire State of Texas drug tests people who get food stamps. I doubt Lars Larsen passed the TX law all by himself
Not this wingnut. The people I usually hear who want to control the lives of those on government programs, who want to determine who lives, who dies, who eats what...are liberal wingnuts. Lars Larsen would like all food stamp recipients to have mandatory drug testing; but he's the only one I'm aware of who wants that. I know I certainly don't....these programs prevent children of drug addicts from starving to death.
It isn't about "control." It's about either spending the money up front to save lives, or spending money down the road when people can legitimately no longer work, feed themselves properly or pay their rent, and when that happens having to take care of them anyway. People who abuse the system aren't necessarily "liberal wingnuts," but just lazy slobs who don't give a shit about politics.
I didn't say the abusers were liberal wingnuts. I said liberal wingnuts are the ones who want to control the people they stick on these programs.
Though most people who expect the system to pay for their ciggies and dope are liberals, this is true.
You are lying. I saw the same show, and you are lying about the circumstances.
For example, Medicare doesn't pay for unemployment. They are two completely different programs. She was being paid by Medicare to care for her mom.
It's a special program Medicare has. When my mom was first diagnosed with Alzheimers, I stopped working and applied for the program, but I was not eligible for it
You know...you are an idiot.
Just a plain idiot.
If you saw the show then you are too stupid to understand English.
If you didn't see the show - then you are a troll for calling someone a liar where you don't know jack sh*t.
In either case - shut up.
This moron doesn't want to admit he claimed the woman was receiving unemployment for taking care of her mom
It isn't about "control." It's about either spending the money up front to save lives, or spending money down the road when people can legitimately no longer work, feed themselves properly or pay their rent, and when that happens having to take care of them anyway. People who abuse the system aren't necessarily "liberal wingnuts," but just lazy slobs who don't give a shit about politics.
I didn't say the abusers were liberal wingnuts. I said liberal wingnuts are the ones who want to control the people they stick on these programs.
Though most people who expect the system to pay for their ciggies and dope are liberals, this is true.
No, they're not. And that was my point in adding that. Trust me, I've been exposed to some of these slackers, and they barely know the name of the president, nor do they care.
I didn't say the abusers were liberal wingnuts. I said liberal wingnuts are the ones who want to control the people they stick on these programs.
Though most people who expect the system to pay for their ciggies and dope are liberals, this is true.
No, they're not. And that was my point in adding that. Trust me, I've been exposed to some of these slackers, and they barely know the name of the president, nor do they care.
Have you now. That's great. As I said, you exemplify the lefty need to denigrate and control their fellow humans...while pretending to care, so you can get your hands on $$ yourself.
Are you mentally ill? I ask in all seriousness.
