Abundant Life Christian School shooting: 4 killed, 5 hurt

[yidnar]

It’s hard to protect children at school when parents raise psychopaths and give them easy access to guns.

what if the parents didn't know ? what if the kid took the keys to the car hanging on the wall and took said car out and run over a half dozen people on purpose ?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

yup....I remember those relay races. I would throw the baton up in the air and let it fall. I never ran but shuffled, stopping often to retie my shoes. Everything to lose. Those girls were in tears. No matter how fast they ran or how hard they worked they were going to lose.

Ohh I forgot to remind you. These were children. I was sabotaging children just because I liked it.

 

[XponentialChaos]

what if the parents didn't know ? what if the kid took the keys to the car hanging on the wall and took said car out and run over a half dozen people on purpose ?

Child access prevention laws are specifically referring to firearms. Not things like car keys, knives, or whatever else. I think that’s reasonable.

1) Don’t raise shitty kids who want to murder people.

2) If you have have shitty kids who want to murder people, don’t have guns in the house.

3) If you have shitty kids who want to murder people, and you want guns in the house, make sure the weapons are secured.

4) If you have shitty kids who want to murder people, and you want guns in the house but don’t want to secure them…then that’s your ass that’s going to be held accountable if your kid murders someone with that gun.

My $0.02.

 

[braalian]

Stop raising little psychopaths and take some responsibility as parents.

 

[SweetSue92]

Yeah but there's something else

Babies are basically born in to what they must perceive as chaos. We try to make their world less chaotic in infancy. About 40 or so years ago, we decided this "cocooning" was a great idea right up through...well, heck....early "adulthood".

We no longer teach children how to exist in the world as it is.

We teach children that the world should bow down to THEIR experience, THEIR feelings, THEIR wishes, etc. We do this for far too long. So then when they meet the "real world", and they inevitably cannot cope, because we never taught them--they are chaotic, angry, and they simply cannot cope.

It's not the guns. It's not even security.

Parenting is a hot disaster.

 

[SweetSue92]

Child access prevention laws are specifically referring to firearms. Not things like car keys, knives, or whatever else. I think that’s reasonable.

1) Don’t raise shitty kids who want to murder people.

2) If you have have shitty kids who want to murder people, don’t have guns in the house.

3) If you have shitty kids who want to murder people, and you want guns in the house, make sure the weapons are secured.

4) If you have shitty kids who want to murder people, and you want guns in the house but don’t want to secure them…then that’s your ass that’s going to be held accountable if your kid murders someone with that gun.

My $0.02.

Top tier post. I'm gonna add to it. If your kids in school are actively repelled by some of these crappy kids, maybe instead of teaching them about "inclusion" and "bullying", tell them to mind their instincts. Don't be cruel. Don't be nasty. But do listen to those instincts.

 

[SweetSue92]

Stop raising little psychopaths and take some responsibility as parents.

Too many parents don't do this from the jump.

 

[Grau]

Yes, really.
We had occasional fist fights.
That's it.

I have to agree as well.
We had fist fights, pre fist-fight shoving matches and occasionally someone would blow up a toilet with an M-80
but that's about it.

I went to an 8 week long Summer camp in the mountains of Virginia that was run by tough and demanding WW 2 Veterans when I was 10 years old where I learned how not to chew tobacco, enjoyed shooting, riding spirited horses, camping out, playing baseball etc.

When two kids were caught fighting, the staff members would temporarily stop the fight, take the names of the combatants and on Saturday, the two kids who were fighting earlier in the week were made to put on boxing gloves and finish the earlier fight.
Of course by Saturday, both kids had forgotten what the earlier fight was about but: "If it was important enough to fight about earlier, it's important enough to fight about now."

Next, when I was about 13, I was allowed to bring a 9mm 1923 German Luger to school for "Show and Tell" and no one gave it a second thought because the idea of shooting anyone wasn't even imagined. That was about 60 years ago so, what has changed?

What's changed to make someone harbor homicidal thoughts in the first place?
Are people angrier and if so, why?

I read some of the intensely angry, insulting and dehumanizing exchanges that occur here and wonder how much angrier a person needs to be before he, too, becomes like one of those people you read about after the next mysterious bloodbath.

Thanks,

 

[LeftofLeft]

This is a private Christian School.

Great point. Private schools would do themselves a huge favor by taking lead to have armed security in their schools. In woke Montgomery County, MD, they don’t even want School Resource Officers because they feel it sends the wrong message.

 

[Mac-7]

If judges, politicians and lawyers are worthy of a secure work environment then so are school kids for their schoolwork.

Thanks,.

Yes, pull armed police protection off of fat ass judges and mayors and put it into the schools instead

 

[pknopp]

we know what you aren't in support of when it comes to protecting schools .. so tell us what you think would be a better solution ..

Far better mental health coverage for the people along with health care in general.

 

[pknopp]

Great point. Private schools would do themselves a huge favor by taking lead to have armed security in their schools. In woke Montgomery County, MD, they don’t even want School Resource Officers because they feel it sends the wrong message.

It does.

 

[Grau]

No jus sued into oblivion

I think that if a gun is stolen and used in a crime that the penalty should be no more than if a car is stolen and a fatality occurs later.
It's a little different when you live with someone else who is likely to steal and misuse a firearm. A reasonable person would then be expected to secure all firearms.

Lockboxes, footlockers and even gun safes can be stolen and the firearms obtained that way.

For example, I had a footlocker bolted to the floor with firearms in it. The thieves had the tools and the time to steal the footlocker and the guns inside but because I had serial numbers, descriptions and photo and good luck, I got all of them back except for a flintlock derringer and another valuable but harmless antique.

Because the criminals who used or were carrying any of the other guns were arrested and charged, the police asked that I testify in open court that the guns were stolen.
I was warned that some of the criminals involved were gang members who would have fellow gang members in court to try to intimidate me and threaten me later.

Even though pissing off multiple local gang members may not have been the smartest thing to do, I felt that the least I could do was to help clean up the mess and help put the criminals in jail.

Naturally the retaliations and armed confrontations came but that's another story.

Thanks,

 

[LeftofLeft]

It does.

What sends the worst message is that Schools are weak and vulnerable too violence - all kinds of violence: bullying, assaults, and shootings. Schools need more of a culture of accountability. Make bullies pay for their actions before implementing positive rehabilitation. Warn would-be shooters that they will be shot dead by authorized personnel.

Schools are so weak now when it comes to structure and discipline and it shows.

 

[pknopp]

What sends the worst message is that Schools are weak and vulnerable too violence - all kinds of violence: bullying, assaults, and shootings. Schools need more of a culture of accountability. Make bullies pay for their actions before implementing positive rehabilitation. Warn would-be shooters that they will be shot dead by authorized personnel.

LOL, like they care. LOL, like the person who did this would care about that. LOL

Schools are so weak now when it comes to structure and discipline and it shows.

If someone wants to kill they are never going to say "Well dang, I can't get it done in a school so never mind".

 

[Grau]

Yes, pull armed police protection off of fat ass judges and mayors and put it into the schools instead

Yes, especially pull the armed protection of anti-gun judges and politicians.....

And, yes, it's not going to be cheap employing enough well trained personnel with such specialized skills but the cost of doing nothing is greater.

Thanks,

 

[pknopp]

Yes, especially pull the armed protection of anti-gun judges and politicians.....

And, yes, it's not going to be cheap employing enough well trained personnel with such specialized skills but the cost of doing nothing is greater.

Thanks,

You aren't going to support raising taxes to pay for that.

 

[Nobody911]

Welp, what flavor of lunatic will this kid turn out to be? Will we even find out?

“Four people were killed and five others have been hurt from a shooting at Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin, police said.

The suspected shooter, a juvenile believed to be a student, is also dead, police said.”

Police ID 15-year-old girl as Abundant Life Christian School shooter in Wisconsin

A teacher and teenage student were killed and six others hurt in a shooting at Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin, on Monday, police said.

abcnews.go.com

She could have become a very brave U.S. soldier, but it's too late now—way too late. It seems violence was always her first choice, which is probably why she killed those people and herself. Amen!

Source:

BREAKING: Suspect in Madison school shooting identified as 15-year-old Natalie Rupnow

On Monday morning, Rupnow opened fire in the Madison, Wisconsin school’s library, killing one student and one teacher, and injuring six others.

thepostmillennial.com

 

[Picaro]

All bullying did for us in school was make us tougher and more resistant to intimidation. It was a normal part of life around other kids from a young age, and part of growing up. Kids these days are isolated, few even play outside any more with other kids, they're playing X box games and getting false senses of 'achievement' for reaching level 234 or something silly like that . No wonder socialization is so poor and these kids are nuts.

 

[pknopp]

and a photo was posted to the account at 10:45 am showing a person in a bathroom stall showing the "OK" hand symbol.

Where have we seen this before?