Abraham Lincoln: Alternative History?

[editec]

It IS okay to have different OPINIONS about the CSA.

What is NOT okay is that some of us apparently have different FACTS.

Like for example, changing the the DATE that Ft sumter was attacked.

Now the ONLY people who ever gets these FACTS wrong are CSA apologists.

Weird, eh?

 

[JoeB131]

It IS okay to have different OPINIONS about the CSA.

What is NOT okay is that some of us apparently have different FACTS.

Like for example, changing the the DATE that Ft sumter was attacked.

Now the ONLY people who ever gets these FACTS wrong are CSA apologists.

Weird, eh?

They really need to believe that Great Grandpa Beauregard was fighting for a noble cause.

denialism is all they have.

Deny that the war was about slavery when it really was.

Deny that the war was a stupid idea because there was no scenario where the South could have won. (They lacked the industry and infrastructure and navy to do it.)

 

[bripat9643]

It IS okay to have different OPINIONS about the CSA.

What is NOT okay is that some of us apparently have different FACTS.

Like for example, changing the the DATE that Ft sumter was attacked.

Now the ONLY people who ever gets these FACTS wrong are CSA apologists.

Weird, eh?

Who changed the date when Ft Sumter was attacked? For the record, the people in this debate who have consistently had their facts wrong are the Lincoln cult members.

 

[paperview]

It IS okay to have different OPINIONS about the CSA.

What is NOT okay is that some of us apparently have different FACTS.

Like for example, changing the the DATE that Ft sumter was attacked.

Now the ONLY people who ever gets these FACTS wrong are CSA apologists.

Weird, eh?

Who changed the date when Ft Sumter was attacked? For the record, the people in this debate who have consistently had their facts wrong are the Lincoln cult members.

I think it was you not knowing when the first shots were fired.

You were wrong, and it was proven.

 

[bripat9643]

It IS okay to have different OPINIONS about the CSA.

What is NOT okay is that some of us apparently have different FACTS.

Like for example, changing the the DATE that Ft sumter was attacked.

Now the ONLY people who ever gets these FACTS wrong are CSA apologists.

Weird, eh?

Who changed the date when Ft Sumter was attacked? For the record, the people in this debate who have consistently had their facts wrong are the Lincoln cult members.

I think it was you not knowing when the first shots were fired.

You were wrong, and it was proven.

I haven't posted a thing that indicates I didn't know when the date was. That's purely a delusion on your part.

 

[paperview]

Who changed the date when Ft Sumter was attacked? For the record, the people in this debate who have consistently had their facts wrong are the Lincoln cult members.

I think it was you not knowing when the first shots were fired.

You were wrong, and it was proven.

I haven't posted a thing that indicates I didn't know when the date was. That's purely a delusion on your part.

Ahem:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/history/342963-abraham-lincoln-alternative-history-4.html#post8749107

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

We all know that Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860 with less than 40% of the popular vote. What is less well known is that two Democrats and a Whig candidate split the rest of the vote, with only Lincoln's name appearing on all States' ballots. By modern standards, the election results would never have been accepted.

By the time of Lincoln's inauguration on March 4, 1861, South Carolina and six other States had seceded from the Union and formed the Confederate States of America. Interestingly, neither Virginia nor three other States had yet seceded. It was not until after President Lincoln's call for 75,000 soldiers to invade the seceding States that Virginia, the most populous and industrial southern State, joined the Confederacy and pulled in the rest of those States with her.

What if Lincoln had adopted a less aggressive posture towards these States? What if he had merely demanded the return of Federal property and compensation for any damage, rather than calling for an invasion? This would have been entirely justified by any standard as well as compliant with international law. Virginia was essential to the viability of the Confederacy. Would it have joined in the absence of Lincoln's attack on State Sovereignty?

Within 20 years of the end of the Civil War, slavery had been abolished in the Western Hemisphere and most of the rest of the world. Could not an accommodation with Virginia have been reached? The importation of slaves was already prohibited. For example, might not there have been an agreement that, henceforth, the children born to slaves would be free? Without Virginia, the Confederacy would have collapsed under its own weight.

Was "Preservation of the Union" worth 620,000 lives, more than all of our other wars combined? Might this armageddon have been avoided with a little less concern about Presidential prestige and legacy?

Race Treason Has Been Caused by Upper Class Fear and Hatred of Those Born White Working Class

If secession had been allowed (as it has been today in Canada, the UK, and the former Czechoslovakia) another Civil War over control of the West would have taken place. The solution had been proposed almost four decades earlier by President Monroe: annex the Caribbean islands, starting with Cuba (which he had actually ordered Jackson to do after easily taking Florida). That would have been an alternative outlet for the slave states' expansion to ensure electoral parity with the sweatshop states.

The actual and authorized fake history is the way the Monroe Doctrine is being presented. It was really forced on Monroe by the anti-South and anti-expansionist Northeast Deep State.

Second authorized lie was that slaves counting as 3/5 towards the electoral vote was an insult to Blacks. The Northeast South-haters didn't want Blacks to count at all. So another solution preventing the near-suicidal Civil War was to count the slaves 100% to give the South the same electoral-college power that the North had.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Worth lives? When going into war, you take calculated risks not knowing what the result will actually be. In this case it was over keeping the Union together. Before the war was over, it became also about slavery. I am glad that the war helped defeat the side that supported slavery. It is a scar upon our nation up to this present day. It is inconceivable that such a vile practice was ever allowed to exist in the United States.

Whites Who Are Born Rich Deplore and Fear All Other White People

Slavery was punishment. A race that acts like wild jungle animals needs to be tamed. Race treason has snob value but no moral value.

 

[Unkotare]

Race Treason ......

And what does that mean? What are you afraid of now?

 

[Unkotare]

Whites Who Are Born Rich Deplore and Fear All Other White People

Slavery was punishment. A race that acts like wild jungle animals needs to be tamed. Race treason has snob value but no moral value.

You are a worthless idiot.

 

[whitehall]

Lincoln had personal problems and he might not have been on top of national issues when he was elected but he should have been aware of the volatile issues in the government. He was apparently sympathetic to rounding up all the slaves and transporting them back to Africa but other than that he seems to have been oblivious to the coming conflagration. Lincoln should have spent his first couple of months trying to make peace with southern democrats and dealing with pending issues in free states but it seems that he did nothing to prevent civil war, apparently believing advisers and fools that a civil war would be over in a month. Lincoln was an orator and an empty suit but he had biographers and the media at the time who were determined to remake his legacy after he was tragically assassinated. Fawning biographers give Lincoln credit for "preserving the Union" but the Union fell apart under his watch.

 

[JoeB131]

Lincoln had personal problems and he might not have been on top of national issues when he was elected but he should have been aware of the volatile issues in the government. He was apparently sympathetic to rounding up all the slaves and transporting them back to Africa but other than that he seems to have been oblivious to the coming conflagration. Lincoln should have spent his first couple of months trying to make peace with southern democrats and dealing with pending issues in free states but it seems that he did nothing to prevent civil war, apparently believing advisers and fools that a civil war would be over in a month. Lincoln was an orator and an empty suit but he had biographers and the media at the time who were determined to remake his legacy after he was tragically assassinated. Fawning biographers give Lincoln credit for "preserving the Union" but the Union fell apart under his watch.

Actually, the Union was falling apart under Buchanan's watch... the only guy who keeps Trump from being the worst President in our history.

 

[DudleySmith]

Lincoln staved off Global Warming by probably ten years (if you believe in that religion) by getting all those people killed. After all, humans are the scourge of the Earth - the sole cause of the looming heat wave that's going to dry up all the water, kill all the crops, roast all the livestock and probably make strong women weep.

See, Lincoln was a great savior to the Algore crowd as well as to the former slaves!

Get with the program, folks!!!!

Throw in the million or so blacks Lincoln killed in his 'Contraband Camps' and add another 10 years to that delay.

 

[DudleySmith]

Actually, the Union was falling apart under Buchanan's watch... the only guy who keeps Trump from being the worst President in our history.

Lincoln was a railroad lawyer and weasel who deliberately started an illegal war so big corporations could get massive government welfare programs for themselves, which is why Democrats really love him today. Anybody who doubts this merely needs to look at the record and timelines of the legislation passed the first 4 years of the war to see what their real priorities were and why they needed to get rid of the South's votes in Congress and the Senate. Lincoln was all for secession and so were northern financial and manufacturing interests.

 

[JoeB131]

incoln was a railroad lawyer and weasel who deliberately started an illegal war so big corporations could get massive government welfare programs for themselves, which is why Democrats really love him today. Anybody who doubts this merely needs to look at the record and timelines of the legislation passed the first 4 years of the war to see what their real priorities were and why they needed to get rid of the South's votes in Congress and the Senate. Lincoln was all for secession and so were northern financial and manufacturing interests.

What retard home school did you learn history in?

Lincoln is loved today because he ended slavery and preserved the union.

 

[DudleySmith]

What retard home school did you learn history in?

Lincoln is loved today because he ended slavery and preserved the union.

Obviously a much better school than the one you spent your time taking naps in. He didn't free anybody, and in fact kept them from wandering around 'free', dumbass. The last thing he wanted to do was let them flee north; he wanted them picking cotton same as always. Again people merely have to look at his actual policies as opposed to his rhetoric .

 

[JoeB131]

Obviously a much better school than the one you spent your time taking naps in. He didn't free anybody, and in fact kept them from wandering around 'free', dumbass. The last thing he wanted to do was let them flee north; he wanted them picking cotton same as always. Again people merely have to look at his actual policies as opposed to his rhetoric .

Uh, yeah, I've got a degree in history, thanks for asking.

Lincoln's policies were great, which is why we live in the united states and not one of the successor states after the union completely collapsed.

 

[Flash]

The problem was after the war, we decided to let the South keep it's dignity, instead of treating it like a defeated nation that did something wrong.

There should have been massive war crimes trials for the Southern leaders and execution for treasons. Anyone who wore the Gray never should have been allowed the vote again.

You are confused moon Bat.

You stupid uneducated Moon Bats are as ignorant of History as you are of Economics, Climate Science, Biology, Ethics and The Constitution.

I have an assignment for you Moon Bat.

My Great, Great, Great Grandfather was a Confederate soldier. He fought at Olustee and Cold Harbor. Both those battles were to stop an invasion of Yankee shit.

He was a non slave owning Libertarian doing farming and ranching He wrote almost 200 letters while serving in the 9th Florida Regiment.

In those letters he wrote about the reasons he joined the Army and fought for Florida and the Confederacy.

My assignment to you is go read his letters. They are in the library at the University of Florida. That way you can understand the reasons why he joined the Army and fought. That way you won't be so ignorant of real History. It will help you pull your Libtard head out of your Moon Bat ass and you won't sound like a hateful ignorant uneducated Libtard asshole.

 

[bripat9643]

What retard home school did you learn history in?

Lincoln is loved today because he ended slavery and preserved the union.

He's loved because of 150 years of relentless pro Lincoln propaganda. No one who loves Lincoln knows the truth of what he actually did.

 

[bripat9643]

Uh, yeah, I've got a degree in history, thanks for asking.

Lincoln's policies were great, which is why we live in the united states and not one of the successor states after the union completely collapsed.

You have a degree in propaganda.