Abortion is murder

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“The oviduct or Fallopian tube is the anatomical region where every new life begins in mammalian species. After a long journey, the spermatozoa meet the oocyte in the specific site of the oviduct named ampulla, and fertilization takes place.” Coy et al., Roles of the oviduct in mammalian fertilization, REPRODUCTION 144(6):649 (Oct. 1, 2012)

Correct, but now you are just refusing to discuss. You've failed to prove a zygote is a human being despite repeated requests.

Thanks for your time. Have a nice day.

“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.” Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.

 

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“The oviduct or Fallopian tube is the anatomical region where every new life begins in mammalian species. After a long journey, the spermatozoa meet the oocyte in the specific site of the oviduct named ampulla, and fertilization takes place.” Coy et al., Roles of the oviduct in mammalian fertilization, REPRODUCTION 144(6):649 (Oct. 1, 2012)

Correct, but now you are just refusing to discuss. You've failed to prove a zygote is a human being despite repeated requests.

Thanks for your time. Have a nice day.

Birth is just an event in the development of a baby, not the beginning of his/her life.

“It should always be remembered that many organs are still not completely developed by full-term and birth should be regarded only as an incident in the whole developmental process.” F Beck Human Embryology, Blackwell Scientific Publications, 1985 page vi

 

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“The oviduct or Fallopian tube is the anatomical region where every new life begins in mammalian species. After a long journey, the spermatozoa meet the oocyte in the specific site of the oviduct named ampulla, and fertilization takes place.” Coy et al., Roles of the oviduct in mammalian fertilization, REPRODUCTION 144(6):649 (Oct. 1, 2012)

Correct, but now you are just refusing to discuss. You've failed to prove a zygote is a human being despite repeated requests.

Thanks for your time. Have a nice day.

Birth is just an event in the development of a baby, not the beginning of his/her life.

“It should always be remembered that many organs are still not completely developed by full-term and birth should be regarded only as an incident in the whole developmental process.” F Beck Human Embryology, Blackwell Scientific Publications, 1985 page vi

I guess that means you don't want to stick around for the legal argument.

Thank you for proving my point that, liberals worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it. They are modern American liberals.

 

[Divine Wind]

...Thank you for proving my point that, liberals worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man......

Since I'm neither a liberal nor a socialist, there is now positive proof you are a low-life liar.

Have a nice day with your lies, personal attacks and whatever else floats your boat, Ding.

 

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...Thank you for proving my point that, liberals worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man......

Since I'm neither a liberal nor a socialist, there is now positive proof you are a low-life liar.

Have a nice day with your lies, personal attacks and whatever else floats your boat, Ding.

You just don't think you are a liberal or a socialist but if we went down the list we would see differently.

You have already proven that you deny science and that you practice moral relativity. If you feel like your character has been attacked it is only because when you see on paper your practices you don't like them. I have not called you any names I am only naming your behaviors and beliefs. Please do tell me which behaviors and beliefs I have gotten wrong and I will apologize.

 

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...Thank you for proving my point that, liberals worship science but are the first to argue against it.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man......

Since I'm neither a liberal nor a socialist, there is now positive proof you are a low-life liar.

Have a nice day with your lies, personal attacks and whatever else floats your boat, Ding.

Let's see... do you believe in God? Or did I nail that one too?

 

[Divine Wind]

You just don't think you are a liberal or a socialist but if we went down the list we would see differently.....

Thanks for the admission that you did, indeed, name call and label me a liberal socialist.

I see no difference between you and the screaming, intolerant far Left ***** who dog pile on anyone who disagrees with them. Those fucking pussies are hateful to the point of violence and you are simply the flip side of that same coin of hate and intolerance. They scream about the "alt-right" when, in fact, they are the Alt-Left. Again, no difference except in polarity. All can go fuck themselves with a baseball bat then dive off a bridge onto a pile of rocks. The world is better off without such hateful, intolerant fucking hypocrites.

You are free to go down your little list as you hold it in your trembling little hands, but I'm positive it will simply prove me correct; you are so far right that anyone to the left of you will be labeled a "Liberal Socialist" just like a list from your counterparts would show that anyone to the right of them is a "Conservative Capitalist". Fine. All are simply proof of how fucked up our society has become to the point where words like "tolerance" and "civil discussion" have come to mean "you're not with us!!!"

Again, I reference the wisdom of Barry Goldwater to Congress in 1981 in reference to people like you:

One of my favorite speeches from "Mr. Conservative" and one of my heroes, Senator Barry Goldwater:

It's a wonderful feeling to be a conservative these days. When I ran for President 17 years ago I was told I was behind the times. Now everybody tells me I was ahead of my time. All I can say is that time certainly is an elusive companion.

But those reactions illustrate how far the ideological pendulum has swung in recent years. The American people have expressed their desire for a new course in our public policy in this country, a conservative course.

Being a conservative in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the Constitution. We treasure the freedoms that document protects.

We believe, as the founding fathers did, that we ''are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the prsuit of happiness.''

And for 205 years this nation, based on those principles, has endured. Through foreign wars and civil wars, through political scandals and economic disasters, through civil disorders and Presidential assassinations, our flag has flown high. Through it all we've survived every possible attack on our freedom.

But another force could succeed in dividing our country. The specter of single-issue religious groups is growing over our land. Issues Kept in Background

One of the great strengths of our political system always has been our tendency to keep religious issues in the background. By maintaining the separation of church and state, the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars.

Throughout our 200-plus years, public policy debate has focused on political and economic issues, on which there can be compromise. Madison saw this as the great paradox of our system: How do you control the factions without violating the people's basic freedoms? And in a well-constructed representative Government like ours, Madison said, one of our greatest strengths is our ability to ''break and control the violence of faction.'' Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers? Can anyone lo ok at the carnage in Iran, the bloodshed in Northern Ireland or th e bombs bursting in Lebanon and yet question the dangers of in jecting religious issues into the affairs of state?

There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah or whatever one calls his Supreme Being.

But, like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing in our land are not using their religioius clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their positions 100 percent.

In the past couple years, I have seen many news items that referred to the Moral Majority, prolife and other religious groups as ''the new right,'' and the ''new conservatism.'' Well, I have spent quite a number of years carrying the flag of the ''old conservatism.'' And I can say with conviction that the religious issues of these groups have little or nothing to do with conservative or liberal politics.

The uncompromising position of these groups is a divisive element that could tear apart the very spirit of our representative system, if they gain sufficient strength.

As it is, they are diverting us away from the vital issues that our Government needs to address. Far too much of the time of members of Congress and officials in the Executive Branch is used up dealing with special-interest groups on issues like abortion, school busing, ERA, prayer in the schools and pornography. While these are important moral issues, they are secondary right now to our national security and economic survival.

I must make it clear that I don't condemn these groups for what they believe. I happen to share many of the values emphasized by these organizations.

I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in ''A,'' ''B,'' ''C'' and ''D.'' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?

And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate.

I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of ''conservatism.'' Says It Destroys Perspective

This unrelenting obsession with a particular goal destroys the perspective of many decent people. They have become easy prey to manipulation and misjudgment.

A prime example was the recent nomination of Sandra O'Connor as a Supreme Court Justice and the ensuing uproar over her stand on abortion.

No single issue ever should decide the fitness of a Supreme Court Justice. To think otherwise is to go against the integrity of the Constitution. There are many broad issues addressed each day by a jurist that are much more revealing of how that person might perform on the high court.

Of course, the saddest part of the whole dispute was that Judge O'Connor was attacked by these religious factions for a position she doesn't hold. She opposes abortion and said so. I firmly believe that she recognizes the authority of legislatures to regulate it.

She will make an excellent Justice of the Supreme Court. She will make President Reagan proud that he chose her as the best of all candidates, men or women.

And the religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy.

They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives. The great decisions of Government cannot be dictated by the concerns of religious factions. This was true in the days of Madison, and it is just as true today.

We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop now.

To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic.

Barry Goldwater, Senator, 15SEP81

 

[Divine Wind]

Let's see... do you believe in God? Or did I nail that one too?

Yes, I do. In fact, I've had a near death experience. It was a pivotal moment in my life. One that caused me to consider the "bigger" things in life and try to forget the intolerant, bullying ***** that seek to destroy anyone who disagrees with them.

 

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...I see no difference between you and the screaming, intolerant far Left ***** who dog pile on anyone who disagrees with them. Those fucking pussies are hateful to the point of violence and you are simply the flip side of that same coin of hate and intolerance. They scream about the "alt-right" when, in fact, they are the Alt-Left. Again, no difference except in polarity. All can go fuck themselves with a baseball bat then dive off a bridge onto a pile of rocks. The world is better off without such hateful, intolerant fucking hypocrites. You are free to go down your little list as you hold it in your trembling little hands, but I'm positive it will simply prove me correct; you are so far right that anyone to the left of you will be labeled a "Liberal Socialist" just like a list from your counterparts would show that anyone to the right of them is a "Conservative Capitalist". Fine. All are simply proof of how fucked up our society has become to the point where words like "tolerance" and "civil discussion" have come to mean "you're not with us!!!"...

My goodness, you sure do get emotional about your beliefs. That is exactly what we would expect to see from someone who has had his religion attacked. The reality is that the only one who has acted irrationally is you. Why? Because science proves you wrong and because you cannot face your incongruity. You could have just as easily admitted that human life does begin at conception but that you still supported a woman's right to end the life of her baby. But you won't do that because you don't want to admit that you support doing something wrong. So instead you have rationalized that wrong is right. Look, we both know it is wrong because women agonize over making these decisions. So instead of getting all high and mighty because I spoke the truth and called you out on rationalizing your support of something that is wrong as really being right, you could just man up to the fact that it is wrong but that you still support a woman's choice. Then we could move on to the next discussion and you just might finsd what I had to say more agreeable to what you believe. But I will not rationalize that ending a human life is good.

 

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Let's see... do you believe in God? Or did I nail that one too?

Yes, I do. In fact, I've had a near death experience. It was a pivotal moment in my life. One that caused me to consider the "bigger" things in life and try to forget the intolerant, bullying ***** that seek to destroy anyone who disagrees with them.

Ok, then why are you trying to rationalize that ending a human life is a good thing?

 

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Let's see... do you believe in God? Or did I nail that one too?

Yes, I do. In fact, I've had a near death experience. It was a pivotal moment in my life. One that caused me to consider the "bigger" things in life and try to forget the intolerant, bullying ***** that seek to destroy anyone who disagrees with them.

I'm not trying to destroy you. I am trying to have an objective discussion with you. The fact that you so flippantly dismiss the self evident scientific evidence in this matter is disturbing.

 

[Divine Wind]

...I see no difference between you and the screaming, intolerant far Left ***** who dog pile on anyone who disagrees with them. Those fucking pussies are hateful to the point of violence and you are simply the flip side of that same coin of hate and intolerance. They scream about the "alt-right" when, in fact, they are the Alt-Left. Again, no difference except in polarity. All can go fuck themselves with a baseball bat then dive off a bridge onto a pile of rocks. The world is better off without such hateful, intolerant fucking hypocrites. You are free to go down your little list as you hold it in your trembling little hands, but I'm positive it will simply prove me correct; you are so far right that anyone to the left of you will be labeled a "Liberal Socialist" just like a list from your counterparts would show that anyone to the right of them is a "Conservative Capitalist". Fine. All are simply proof of how fucked up our society has become to the point where words like "tolerance" and "civil discussion" have come to mean "you're not with us!!!"...

My goodness, you sure do get emotional about your beliefs. That is exactly what we would expect to see from someone who has had his religion attacked. The reality is that the only one who has acted irrationally is you. Why? Because science proves you wrong and because you cannot face your incongruity. You could have just as easily admitted that human life does begin at conception but that you still supported a woman's right to end the life of her baby. But you won't do that because you don't want to admit that you support doing something wrong. So instead you have rationalized that wrong is right. Look, we both know it is wrong because women agonize over making these decisions. So instead of getting all high and mighty because I spoke the truth and called you out on rationalizing your support of something that is wrong as really being right, you could just man up to the fact that it is wrong but that you still support a woman's choice. Then we could move on to the next discussion and you just might finsd what I had to say more agreeable to what you believe. But I will not rationalize that ending a human life is good.

Ahh, proof that you are soft on "screaming, intolerant far Left ***** who dog pile on anyone who disagrees with them". Interesting.

Did you make a career in the military? If not, then you must be a military-hating liberal. Another reason not only to distrust you, but to prove you are not the tolerant, rational person you believe yourself to be. A second reason is because you are just like PC.

 

[Divine Wind]

I'm not trying to destroy you. I am trying to have an objective discussion with you. The fact that you so flippantly dismiss the self evident scientific evidence in this matter is disturbing.

Bullshit. Another fucking lie. You disproved your "objective discussion" comment to be a lie when you accused me a being a fucking Liberal and a cocksucking Socialist. Again you lie about me ignoring science. Fine. Go lie to someone else, Ding.

 

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...I see no difference between you and the screaming, intolerant far Left ***** who dog pile on anyone who disagrees with them. Those fucking pussies are hateful to the point of violence and you are simply the flip side of that same coin of hate and intolerance. They scream about the "alt-right" when, in fact, they are the Alt-Left. Again, no difference except in polarity. All can go fuck themselves with a baseball bat then dive off a bridge onto a pile of rocks. The world is better off without such hateful, intolerant fucking hypocrites. You are free to go down your little list as you hold it in your trembling little hands, but I'm positive it will simply prove me correct; you are so far right that anyone to the left of you will be labeled a "Liberal Socialist" just like a list from your counterparts would show that anyone to the right of them is a "Conservative Capitalist". Fine. All are simply proof of how fucked up our society has become to the point where words like "tolerance" and "civil discussion" have come to mean "you're not with us!!!"...

My goodness, you sure do get emotional about your beliefs. That is exactly what we would expect to see from someone who has had his religion attacked. The reality is that the only one who has acted irrationally is you. Why? Because science proves you wrong and because you cannot face your incongruity. You could have just as easily admitted that human life does begin at conception but that you still supported a woman's right to end the life of her baby. But you won't do that because you don't want to admit that you support doing something wrong. So instead you have rationalized that wrong is right. Look, we both know it is wrong because women agonize over making these decisions. So instead of getting all high and mighty because I spoke the truth and called you out on rationalizing your support of something that is wrong as really being right, you could just man up to the fact that it is wrong but that you still support a woman's choice. Then we could move on to the next discussion and you just might finsd what I had to say more agreeable to what you believe. But I will not rationalize that ending a human life is good.

Ahh, proof that you are soft on "screaming, intolerant far Left ***** who dog pile on anyone who disagrees with them". Interesting.

Did you make a career in the military? If not, then you must be a military-hating liberal. Another reason not only to distrust you, but to prove you are not the tolerant, rational person you believe yourself to be. A second reason is because you are just like PC.

No. That is not proof of me being soft. It is not proof of me being hard. It is not proof of me being a military-hating liberal. It is proof that I am awake. I really couldn't care less what you believe about me. You have clearly gotten your feathers ruffled and that's a good thing. Truth usually hurts before it helps. I have pointed out you incongruity. My obligation is satisfied. What you choose to do with it is up to you. It appears that you are still not ready that you believe abortion does end a human life and that it is wrong to do so, but you still support women doing it.

 

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I'm not trying to destroy you. I am trying to have an objective discussion with you. The fact that you so flippantly dismiss the self evident scientific evidence in this matter is disturbing.

Bullshit. Another fucking lie. You disproved your "objective discussion" comment to be a lie when you accused me a being a fucking Liberal and a cocksucking Socialist. Again you lie about me ignoring science. Fine. Go lie to someone else, Ding.

Dude, you are losing it. Confront reality. Die to self, bro.

 

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I'm not trying to destroy you. I am trying to have an objective discussion with you. The fact that you so flippantly dismiss the self evident scientific evidence in this matter is disturbing.

Bullshit. Another fucking lie. You disproved your "objective discussion" comment to be a lie when you accused me a being a fucking Liberal and a cocksucking Socialist. Again you lie about me ignoring science. Fine. Go lie to someone else, Ding.

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

 

[Divine Wind]

No. That is not proof of me being soft. It is not proof of me being hard. It is not proof of me being a military-hating liberal. It is proof that I am awake. I really couldn't care less what you believe about me. You have clearly gotten your feathers ruffled and that's a good thing. Truth usually hurts before it helps. I have pointed out you incongruity. My obligation is satisfied. What you choose to do with it is up to you. It appears that you are still not ready that you believe abortion does end a human life and that it is wrong to do so, but you still support women doing it.

I think if we go down the list, you and I will see you are, indeed, a military hating liberal.

Why did you dodge the military service question? You and I both know why: you never served.

Why didn't you make the military a career? Because you and I both know you are a spineless coward aka military-hating liberal. See how that works? Now go ahead and keep accusing me of being a fucking liberal and a cocksucking socialist like you did before. Go ahead and falsely accuse me of being anti-science. That's what cowardly military-hating liberals do, isn't it?

You're a liar, Ding. You've told multiple lies about me and never apologized. Do you believe in God, Ding? You're certainly not a Christian who believes in the Ten Commandments since you're repeatedly borne false witness against me. Worse, you're unrepentant about it. That's two great sins which you keep repeating every time you post.

 

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No. That is not proof of me being soft. It is not proof of me being hard. It is not proof of me being a military-hating liberal. It is proof that I am awake. I really couldn't care less what you believe about me. You have clearly gotten your feathers ruffled and that's a good thing. Truth usually hurts before it helps. I have pointed out you incongruity. My obligation is satisfied. What you choose to do with it is up to you. It appears that you are still not ready that you believe abortion does end a human life and that it is wrong to do so, but you still support women doing it.

I think if we go down the list, you and I will see you are, indeed, a military hating liberal.

Why did you dodge the military service question? You and I both know why: you never served.

Why didn't you make the military a career? Because you and I both know you are a spineless coward aka military-hating liberal. See how that works? Now go ahead and keep accusing me of being a fucking liberal and a cocksucking socialist like you did before. Go ahead and falsely accuse me of being anti-science. That's what cowardly military-hating liberals do, isn't it?

You're a liar, Ding. You've told multiple lies about me and never apologized. Do you believe in God, Ding? You're certainly not a Christian who believes in the Ten Commandments since you're repeatedly borne false witness against me. Worse, you're unrepentant about it. That's two great sins which you keep repeating every time you post.

Sorry, I think I'll stay on point and drive home your incongruity instead, lol.

“Your baby starts out as a fertilized egg… For the first six weeks, the baby is called an embryo.” Prenatal Care, US Department Of Health And Human Services, Maternal and Child Health Division, 1990

 

[Divine Wind]

Sorry, I think I'll stay on point and drive home your incongruity instead, lol....

LOL There are several lying liberals on this forum who're the first to derail with personal attacks and also the first to say "I think I'll stay on point..." after they are caught in multiple lies.

Again, you've failed to prove both 1) that a zygote = a human being and 2) that you aren't a military-hating liberal. What you have proved is that you are an unrepentant liar who's made multiple false accusations against me then ran like a fucking anti-military coward when asked to back up those lies with proof. Does that summation work for you, bub?

 

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Sorry, I think I'll stay on point and drive home your incongruity instead, lol....

LOL There are several lying liberals on this forum who're the first to derail with personal attacks and also the first to say "I think I'll stay on point..." after they are caught in multiple lies.

Again, you've failed to prove both 1) that a zygote = a human being and 2) that you aren't a military-hating liberal. What you have proved is that you are an unrepentant liar who's made multiple false accusations against me then ran like a fucking anti-military coward when asked to back up those lies with proof. Does that summation work for you, bub?

“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. was first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization:

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.”