Zone1 Abortion is murder and I can't find any way to show otherwise.

[JoeB131]

I understand your confusion it never says the child in question dies! Thanks for playing, next!

Uh, the description they give are not ones where the child survives unless you think that a fetus can survive a spontenous miscarriage in the Bronze Age

 

[Frankenstein]

Uh, the description they give are not ones where the child survives unless you think that a fetus can survive a spontenous miscarriage in the Bronze Age

It never mentions the state of the pregnancy or how far along she was!

 

[JoeB131]

It never mentions the state of the pregnancy or how far along she was!

One can infer the fetus wouldn't make it under most circumstance.

 

[Frankenstein]

One can infer the fetus wouldn't make it under most circumstance.

Again it doesn't mention anything but fruit!

 

[initforme]

Roe is gone issue has been solved.

 

[JoeB131]

Again it doesn't mention anything but fruit!

Actually, that depends on the translation... Let me help you out.

The "Fruit" translation was from the KJV, which was translated from the Latin Vulgate, which in turn was translated from Greek and before that Hebrew.

So probably about the worst translation out there.


New Revised Standard
22 When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman's husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine.

The Bible in Basic English
22 If men, while fighting, do damage to a woman with child, causing the loss of the child, but no other evil comes to her, the man will have to make payment up to the amount fixed by her husband, in agreement with the decision of the judges.

Common English Bible
22 When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that she has a miscarriage but no other injury occurs, then the guilty party will be fined what the woman's husband demands, as negotiated with the judges.

The Complete Jewish Bible
22 "If people are fighting with each other and happen to hurt a pregnant woman so badly that her unborn child dies, then, even if no other harm follows, he must be fined. He must pay the amount set by the woman's husband and confirmed by judges.

Good News Translation w/ Apocrypha
22 "If some men are fighting and hurt a pregnant woman so that she loses her child, but she is not injured in any other way, the one who hurt her is to be fined whatever amount the woman's husband demands, subject to the approval of the judges.

Now, the key word here is יְלָדֶ֔יהָ - yeladim - which means Children.

 

[initforme]

It's over. Settled.

 

[JoeB131]

It's over. Settled.

Hardly. This isn't going to go well for you guys.

 

[initforme]

Hardly. This isn't going to go well for you guys.

I'm for state voters deciding. There is nobody that loses in thar scenario.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm for state voters deciding. There is nobody that loses in thar scenario.

Except for women who die due to the lack of medical attention...

 

[Frankenstein]

Actually, that depends on the translation... Let me help you out.

The "Fruit" translation was from the KJV, which was translated from the Latin Vulgate, which in turn was translated from Greek and before that Hebrew.

So probably about the worst translation out there.


New Revised Standard
22 When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman's husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine.

The Bible in Basic English
22 If men, while fighting, do damage to a woman with child, causing the loss of the child, but no other evil comes to her, the man will have to make payment up to the amount fixed by her husband, in agreement with the decision of the judges.

Common English Bible
22 When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that she has a miscarriage but no other injury occurs, then the guilty party will be fined what the woman's husband demands, as negotiated with the judges.

The Complete Jewish Bible
22 "If people are fighting with each other and happen to hurt a pregnant woman so badly that her unborn child dies, then, even if no other harm follows, he must be fined. He must pay the amount set by the woman's husband and confirmed by judges.

Good News Translation w/ Apocrypha
22 "If some men are fighting and hurt a pregnant woman so that she loses her child, but she is not injured in any other way, the one who hurt her is to be fined whatever amount the woman's husband demands, subject to the approval of the judges.

Now, the key word here is יְלָדֶ֔יהָ - yeladim - which means Children.

How about that, Differences in translation and never the mention of a FETUS!

 

[JoeB131]

How about that, Differences in translation and never the mention of a FETUS!

I don't think the word "Fetus" appears anywhere in the Bible... because people never really gave them much thought.

 

[Frankenstein]

I don't think the word "Fetus" appears anywhere in the Bible... because people never really gave them much thought.

Etymology. The word fetus (plural fetuses or rarely feti) comes from Latin fētus 'offspring, bringing forth, hatching of young'.

 

[JoeB131]

Etymology. The word fetus (plural fetuses or rarely feti) comes from Latin fētus 'offspring, bringing forth, hatching of young'.

Um, okay, so why wasn't that term used when the Bible was translated into Latin?

Oh, because no one cared about them.

 

[mamooth]

First of all, if you have an abortion that means you have a child inside you.

Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, ...

It's not complicated. Specks aren't people. If someone says a speck is a person, just smile, twirl your finger around your ear, and back away slowly before you get drooled on. Speck. Person. Speck. Person. Two different things. My cat has a brain the size of a walnut, and even she knows that specks aren't people.

Pro-lifers presumably have larger brains, so they know as well. They just choose to lie about it, for various disgusting reasons. At this stage, the main purpose pro-lifers serve is as examples of how cult fanaticism leads to self-lobotomization and moral depravity.

 

[Frankenstein]

Um, okay, so why wasn't that term used when the Bible was translated into Latin?

Oh, because no one cared about them.

You are just reaching to justify murder now!

 

[JoeB131]

You are just reaching to justify murder now!

When was a woman or a doctor provider ever charged with murder for performing an abortion?

Not even when it was illegal.

 

[Frankenstein]

When was a woman or a doctor provider ever charged with murder for performing an abortion?

Not even when it was illegal.

I completely understand that the laws are backwards

 

[JoeB131]

I completely understand that the laws are backwards

Naw, the laws are practical.

What would be backwards is giving a fetus the size of a kidney bean more rights than the woman it's inside.

 

[Frankenstein]

Naw, the laws are practical.

What would be backwards is giving a fetus the size of a kidney bean more rights than the woman it's inside.

As my definition stated it's a human being!