Zone1 Abortion and Transgender is Demonic

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700 54 aatidxyz …~…According to a Catholic priest cited below the “Roman Catholic Church nor any Christian denomination or Faith offers as an Institutional Body, any pronouncement, dogmatic or otherwise, as to exactly when God infuses the immortal soul in the human person in the womb.”

whut I say aatidxyz00754 …~…Admitting they do not know when the sanctity of life begins, the Catholic Church spent a million dollars in Ohio to try to defeat the reproductive freedom amendment to the Ohio Constitution. They failed in a Republican run state. It’s a shame that all God’s money is being spent on a cause to save unborn souls when they don’t know when the soul and body are merged by God into one person.

We know there is material life before conception which means there is material life during and after conception when the live sperm and the live egg unite to become one live cell splitting and cell creating organism. But what about the spiritual body of the unborn? There is consensus among civilized people that protected life begins when separated at birth

The soul need not be present for the material fetal body to be alive. Mammals live without being made in the image of God.

Rev. James M. DiLuzio says “The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the ‘form’ of the body. “Of course, the moment of ensoulment is unverifiable.”​

whut I say aatidxyz00754 …~…About half of those living organisms never see the light of day as a breathing organism until moments after exiting the birth canal normally recording human history as the date of birth. Post Apr 14, 2025



whut I say aatidxyz00754 …~… if sanctity of life and ensoulment have no place in this discussion then it’s definite that you are a cruel human being when you want to arrest women in order to shame them if they have an abortion. Where do you think human beings get a right to life? The Man on the moon? Post Apr 14, 2025


whut I said rftmaraw01193 …~… I believe Nature’s God breathes spiritual life / soul into the body of a fetus and as the first breaths of air cause the lungs to start to expand and the ductus arteriosus and the foramen ovale both close. The fetus experiences ensoulment and then the baby's circulation and blood flow through the heart now function like an adult's.“ …~… Post Oct 17, 2024

whut I say aatidxyz00754 …~… This Catholic Priest says religious anti-abortion fanatics want government to force full term gestation on all woman just in case God maybe creates persons prior to birth. Post Apr 14, 2025

Rev. James M. DiLuzio, CSP (A Catholic priest––not a formal Catholic Theologian, Ethicist, or Official Spokesman July 17, 2022 wrote …~…My first source Fetal development: Month-By–Month Stages of Pregnancy (clevelandclinic.org): “(An) Ova / female gamete is fertilized by male sperm in the fallopian tube of a woman’s ovaries. At the moment of fertilization, your baby’s genetic make-up is complete, including its sex. A fertilized ova is classified as a zygote.”​

# 364: “The human body shares in the dignity of ‘the image of God’: it is a human body precisely because it is animated by a spiritual soul, and it is the whole human person that is intended to become, in the body of Christ, a temple of the. Spirit. [5] GS 14 s 1 See : Gaudium et spes (vatican.va)​

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# 365: “The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the ‘form’ of the body: [6] i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body, spirit, and matter, in man (sic), are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature.”​

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This last statement that the soul and material body are inseparable, makes the Catholic sensibility that God, The Creator, infuses the immortal soul as sperm and ovum together create a zygote more tenable.​

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Of course, the moment of ensoulment is unverifiable.​

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As far as I know, neither the Roman Catholic Church nor any Christian denomination or Faith offers as an Institutional Body, any pronouncement, dogmatic or otherwise, as to exactly when God infuses the immortal soul in the human person in the womb.​

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Truly there is mystery here.​

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But, again, this fact does not mitigate the Catholic position that life begins at conception, and that humanity must respect every child’s right to develop and prosper​

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dccxlvi Post Apr 14, 2025​

tl/dr

 

[Meriweather]

On who’s authority does the woman carrying inside her body a human living body that does not have a god given soul have to respect that life as if she were a Catholic?

Take religion out of it. One either believes human life is our greatest gift and therefore should be respected and cared for....or one does not believe human life is our greatest gift and can be put to death at any whim. List whims below.

 

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I mean, embryos are discarded all the time, so....

Is the discarding of embryos IVF?

 

[Trickster]

Take religion out of it. One either believes human life is our greatest gift and therefore should be respected and cared for....or one does not believe human life is our greatest gift and can be put to death at any whim. List whims below.

What does human life even mean to you? Because you are completely ignoring the life of the woman demanding she sacrifices it for mere potential. For what and why? What kind of gift is giving up her own values to live like a friggen Golden Retriver at a cennel only meant to breed and comply?

Stop pretending you care about life

Even the "precious child" is now an unwanted one, congrats.

 

[Trickster]

Is the discarding of embryos IVF?

Very much part of it.

 

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Very much part of it.

Why can't I be for IVF and against the discarding of embryos? Did you already forget my position that abortion should be a Class "C" misdemeanor? Women can pretty much do what they want as long as the acknowledge the crime.

 

[Meriweather]

Well, you you think protoplasm is "human life", so yout view of bpth ,an and life is pretty terrible.

There is no point in continuing to retreat to a single cell, never mind a specific part of a single cell. What is being discussed is the point where two cells meet, the beginning of human life.

(Protoplasm: the living part of the cell, which comprises of different cellular organelles.) In other words, everything with cells has protoplasm. An argument that anyone with protoplasm can be destroyed without further thought because their protoplasm is not human is silly.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

700 68 aatidxyz …~… the Catholic Church finances political opposition to my beliefs about the value of human life of the unborn and the Catholic Church, finances a political party that pushes the government to abuse and shame pregnant women

Take religion out of it.

whut I say aatidxyz00768 …~… have you ever donated money to the Catholic Church knowing full well some of that money goes to political candidates and ballot initiatives to force full term gestation on women by the government even if that government force may kill her?

you are completely ignoring the life of the woman demanding she sacrifices it for mere potential

whut I say aatidxyz00768 …~… When intellectually, factually and reasonably stuck her an ding ignore … that is on the record.

The position is life is our greatest gift. When does life begin: Conception. These are unquestionable facts/truths.

whut I say aatidxyz00768 …~…You were asked specifically “On who’s authority does the woman carrying inside her body a human living body that does not have a god given soul have to respect that life as if she were a Catholic?”

The glossary at the back of the U.S. version of the Catechism of the Catholic Church defines “soul” as follows: …~… “The spiritual principle of human beings. The soul is the subject of human consciousness and freedom; soul and body together form one unique human nature.”

whut I said aatidxyz00756 …~… I believe that complete human beings come into existence up to nine months following conception during which time the new body is being formed until a significant moment in time when nature’s god breathes a soul into the body when that material body takes a first breath when a human being.

DLCCVIII April 15 2025

 

[Meriweather]

Brilliant. So, are you finally, after 666 posts, fiiiinnaaaally, confessing you view abortion as murder or will you just dodge and obduscate again?

"Murder" is your word, and one that seems to fascinate you. Look up the definition of murder. It's easy to understand why I don't use it. I do use "ending life" and that is premeditated. But...it's not against the law. In the same way, I use the definition of conception (the uniting of the sperm cell with the ovum cell forming new life) to present when human life begins.

Changing definitions to suit personal preferences is dismissed.

 

[Meriweather]

What does human life even mean to you? Because you are completely ignoring the life of the woman demanding she sacrifices it for mere potential. For what and why? What kind of gift is giving up her own values to live like a friggen Golden Retriver at a cennel only meant to breed and comply?

Stop pretending you care about life

Even the "precious child" is now an unwanted one, congrats.

Two lives to consider, without either life being ignored. Consider the possibility of the mother's life being blessed, not sacrificed.

 

[Trickster]

There is no point in continuing to retreat to a single cell, never mind a specific part of a single cell. What is being discussed is the point where two cells meet, the beginning of human life.

(Protoplasm: the living part of the cell, which comprises of different cellular organelles.) In other words, everything with cells has protoplasm. An argument that anyone with protoplasm can be destroyed without further thought because their protoplasm is not human is silly.

Yes. Beginning. Do you know what that word means and implies? Childhood is the beginning of adulthood, but a 10 year old cannot consent to sex. Right?


SInce you are such a fan of appeals to emotion, let's do this again:

Kacey is 15 years old and dreams of one day becoming a teacher. She works hard in school and is also now, like a lot of girls her age, experiencing love for the first time. She ends up pregnant. She is definitely not ready to be a mother. Neither mentally nor financially. Keeping the child means she will have to drop out of high school and then try to raise a child with whatever job a high school drop out can get. What kind of gift is this life? To her, to the child, the boyfriend and the children's families it is an utter nightmare.

Now I know what you want to say, but not sure if you are brave enough to say it. You are against sex unless for reproductive purposes, so let's change it up.

Alan and Alice are happily married with 5 children. Already struggling financially, Aloce gets pregnant again. A 6th child would probably ruin them as they already having to pay their last child's cancer treatment. Is this pregnancy gift or death sentence.

We do not even need to create an example where pregnancy is the result of child r-. I am too scared to hear your take on that.

 

[Meriweather]

SInce you are such a fan of appeals to emotion,

Actually, I am not.

 

[Trickster]

Actually, I am not.

Then never, ever use the words "gift", "innocent", "baby" and "unborn". Call it a ZEF.

 

[Trickster]

Two lives to consider, without either life being ignored. Consider the possibility of the mother's life being blessed, not sacrificed.

That is not how rights and objective law works. If there is a scenario where the rights of two individuals are in conflict it means you have a poor definition of rights.

 

[Meriweather]

Then never, ever use the words "gift", "innocent", "baby" and "unborn". Call it a ZEF.

Pass. I will not dehumanize life to soothe the sensibilities of others.

 

[Meriweather]

That is not how rights and objective law works. If there is a scenario where the rights of two individuals are in conflict it means you have a poor definition of rights.

Grin. Just remove the rights of one and no conflict exists....

 

[Trickster]

"Murder" is your word, and one that seems to fascinate you. Look up the definition of murder. It's easy to understand why I don't use it. I do use "ending life" and that is premeditated. But...it's not against the law. In the same way, I use the definition of conception (the uniting of the sperm cell with the ovum cell forming new life) to present when human life begins.

Changing definitions to suit personal preferences is dismissed.

Ah, foooor fox's snake. Do I have to tell you this again?

Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being. You say a ZEF is a human being. By implication you think abortion is murder.

 

[Trickster]

Grin. Just remove the rights of one and no conflict exists....

The point is there are no scenarios where the rights of two individuals are in conflict.

 

[Trickster]

Pass. I will not dehumanize life to soothe the sensibilities of others.

So just call it murder then.

 

[Meriweather]

Ah, foooor fox's snake. Do I have to tell you this again?

Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being. You say a ZEF is a human being. By implication you think abortion is murder.

Abortion is unlawful? Catch a clue.