Zone1 Abortion and Transgender is Demonic

[Meriweather]

The point is there are no scenarios where the rights of two individuals are in conflict.

Yet you just presented such a scenario. The rights of the mother versus the rights of the new human life.

 

[Trickster]

Abortion is unlawful? Catch a clue.

I am really starting to lose my patience with you. You are being an annoying 10 year old. Cut it.

 

[Meriweather]

So just call it murder then.

That's your word. I've explained at least three times now why it is not mine.

 

[Meriweather]

I am really starting to lose my patience with you.

As if I haven't already lost patience with you....

 

[Trickster]

That's your word. I've explained at least three times now why it is not mine.

Your argument does not add up. If it ain't murder you admit it ain't in possession of right to life.

 

[Meriweather]

Your argument does not add up. If it ain't murder you admit it ain't in possession of right to life.

Try again. Is abortion against the law?

A: No, it is not.

ipso facto, it does not meet the definition, and I do not use it.

This shouldn't be difficult for anyone to understand. What is more difficult to understand is your insistence that I use it. What's the reasoning behind that. (You may present an emotional reason if that works for you.)

 

[Trickster]

Try again. Is abortion against the law?

A: No, it is not.

ipso facto, it does not meet the definition, and I do not use it.

This shouldn't be difficult for anyone to understand. What is more difficult to understand is your insistence that I use it. What's the reasoning behind that. (You may present an emotional reason if that works for you.)

Sweetie, you are either starting to get confused or are slowly becoming pro-abortion.

 

[Meriweather]

Sweetie, you are either starting to get confused or are slowly becoming pro-abortion.

Neither. Etymology, definitions have been a fascination for a long time. Can't fit me in one of your little boxes, hmmm? It's not the habitat for most people.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

700 89 aatidxyz …~… They say ensoulment takes place at conception; I say ensoulment takes place at birth; so Ding and Meriweather do not take their Catholic religion out of their arguments, but I am supposed to take my rational theism out of mine so they can be right.

Take religion out of it.

whut I say aatidxyz00789 …~… have you ever donated money to the Catholic Church knowing full well some of that money goes to political candidates and ballot initiatives to force full term gestation on women by the government even if that government force may kill her?

you are completely ignoring the life of the woman demanding she sacrifices it for mere potential

whut I say aatidxyz00789 …~… When intellectually, factually stuck and bereft of the ability to address a sturdy point, Meri and ding ignore it … that is on the record.

The position is life is our greatest gift. When does life begin: Conception. These are unquestionable facts/truths.

whut I say aatidxyz00789 …~…You were asked specifically “On who’s authority does the woman who refuses to take the risk of delivering the human living body within that does not have a god given soul, have to respect that life as if she were a Catholic?”

The glossary at the back of the U.S. version of the Catechism of the Catholic Church defines “soul” as follows: …~… “The spiritual principle of human beings. The soul is the subject of human consciousness and freedom; soul and body together form one unique human nature.”

whut I said aatidxyz00756 …~… I believe that complete human beings come into existence up to nine months following conception during which time the new body is being formed until a significant moment in time when nature’s god breathes a soul into the body when that material body takes a first breath when a human being.

dlccxxix April 15, 2025

 

[Trickster]

Neither. Etymology, definitions have been a fascination for a long time. Can't fit me in one of your little boxes, hmmm? It's not the habitat for most people.

The matter we are discussing has nada to do with etymology, but definitions are indeed important in any discussion. You have not fully understood the definitions of the concepts relevant to abortion which are life and rights and you are not thinking very clearly when presenting your argument causing you to arrive to a conclusion conrradicting your premise.

I have already put you in the right box, the Anti-Abortion box.

 

[Meriweather]

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Again: Not the topic.

 

[Donald H]

Again: Not the topic.

Stay on topics in which you can depend on faith. You've displayed the courage to interpret the bibles differently from all others.

All the other Christians, including ding are also-rans who fear taking on the bibles as the word of the god.

 

[Trickster]

Again: Not the topic.

Do you prefer a different pronoun? Santa? Sister? Your Highness? Sweetheart?

 

[Meriweather]

Do you prefer a different pronoun? Santa? Sister? Your Highness? Sweetheart?

I prefer to discuss the topic and to remain on the topic, and the topic is not me. An argument for abortion has absolutely nothing to do with me or any person, just as my argument against abortion has nothing to do with any person. Debaters are here to set forth reasons for and reasons against the procedure. The subject is not about the people entering into the discussion. Is that so difficult to understand?

As far as pronouns...if the topic is being discussed, there is very little need for pronouns, most particularly the 'you' pronoun. Try it.

 

[Trickster]

I prefer to discuss the topic and to remain on the topic, and the topic is not me. An argument for abortion has absolutely nothing to do with me or any person, just as my argument against abortion has nothing to do with any person. Debaters are here to set forth reasons for and reasons against the procedure. The subject is not about the people entering into the discussion. Is that so difficult to understand?

As far as pronouns...if the topic is being discussed, there is very little need for pronouns, most particularly the 'you' pronoun. Try it.

I am adressing the post to you, so of course it will include "you said..." if you (yes, you) feel your (yep) views are misrepresented then correct me.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Saint Ding says God and the humans who he created in his image do not exist when the discussion is related to reproductive rights for women when they have an unwanted pregnancy. it is a dodge.

atheists only believe in a material existence.

Hasn't that always been your argument against God? That life is unfair so God can't exist.

"Communism is naturalized humanism." Karl Marx

And yet the survival instinct is prevalenBut religion isn't about death, it's about how to live.

If we are talking about murder the standard is the premeditated killing of a human being by another human being. exception to the standard like war is an exception to the standard.

But make no mistake, the standard and the exceptions are based upon arguments of fairness. No matter how convoluted the argument for the exception.

The universe popping into existence most certainly freaks out atheists, especially the militant ones like yourself.

Yes, everything which preceded the universe popping into existence is a theoretical deduction or philosophy. The universe popping into existence isn't though. That is based upon empirical evidence of the CMB and red shift which are physical observations. So while the existence of nature prior to the creation of space and time is an apriori, the theoretical deduction honors the physical observations.

Religion is definitely about death because all you live fkr is the "afterlife".

So how does your personal relationship with God work with a non-intervening deity?

Stay on topics in which you can depend on faith. You've displayed the courage to interpret the bibles differently from all others.

All the other Christians, including ding are also-rans who fear taking on the bibles as the word of the god.

topic is not me

you are on a thread titled

Abortion and Transgender is Demonic​

wherein you wrote that this thread is not about the OP’s religion. you say I cannot bring up the OP’s Christian religion that is the driving force behind the Republican Party, seeking to invade the privacy of women who do not want to give birth in an unplanned pregnancy?

I have to address you because your unwillingness to allow me to present my argument is not up to you. You cannot make the rules so that you can declare yourself to be on the only side that represents truth and the facts of the matter. You are wrong about that. Being wrong is about you.

So please try to address what I’m saying about the disagreement between the two sides on abortion is not whether life has value it’s what is the moment when the value of life starts.

The advantage for my argument is that for thousands of years, including in Judaism mankind built the great civilizations under the backdrop that the sanctity of a human bodyi nside of a woman’s body becomes fully human in God‘s eyes at birth.

 

[Meriweather]

I am adressing the post to you, so of course it will include "you said..." if you (yes, you) feel your (yep) views are misrepresented then correct me.

There is no need to address a post to whomever it is you wrongfully conclude is me. It's like one arguing with someone else. Stick to the topic.

 

[hobelim]

The advantage for my argument is that for thousands of years, including in Judaism mankind built the great civilizations under the backdrop that the sanctity of a human bodyi nside of a woman’s body becomes fully human in God‘s eyes at birth.

Even Adam did not become a living being until he received "the breath of life", according to the fairy tale that is.

 

[ding]

Even Adam did not become a living being until he received "the breath of life", according to the fairy tale that is.

Way to justify the guilt free ending of an innocent life.

 

[Donald H]

I prefer to discuss the topic and to remain on the topic, and the topic is not me.

Your beliefs are part of the topic.

An argument for abortion has absolutely nothing to do with me or any person, just as my argument against abortion has nothing to do with any person. Debaters are here to set forth reasons for and reasons against the procedure. The subject is not about the people entering into the discussion. Is that so difficult to understand?

As far as pronouns...if the topic is being discussed, there is very little need for pronouns, most particularly the 'you' pronoun. Try it.