ABC News/Ipsos poll: Trump Criminal Case in NYC: Americans Support Guilty Verdict

Procrustes Stretched

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Most Americans ignore or laugh at the way Trump speaks. He uses the phrase "bad people" off and on, and it makes him sound a bit illiterate. Many of us believe his speaking about the criminal conviction that has labelled him as a felon, will end up convincing more people that he doesn't belong back in the White House.

After all -- Who wants a presidency bent on going after American citizens with nothing but hatred, anger, and revenge? Come election day the American nightmare Trump has put us through will be over.



A plurality of Americans, 50%, think former President Donald Trump's guilty verdict on all 34 counts in his hush money trial was correct, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds, and almost as many, 49%, think he should end his 2024 presidential campaign over the result. 

Still, following the historic criminal trial that ended this week in a first-ever conviction of a former president, Trump's favorability has remained stable at 31%, according to the latest ABC News/Ipsos poll conducted using Ipsos' KnowledgePanel. Trump was found guilty of 34 counts on Thursday in his trial related to falsifying business records regarding a payment made to adult film actress Stormy Daniels before the 2016 election in order to keep her quiet about their alleged affair
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The former president has vowed to appeal, saying on Friday that "bad people" had levied the case – and charges– against him.
 
There is no doubt that Trump is guilty of falsifying business records regarding a payment made to Stormy Daniels before the 2016 election, which is usually a misdemeanor in New York. But there are questions about raising charges to a felony level by citing the federal election law, which is not a state matter.

Richard Hasen, an election law professor at UCLA, said that state courts in New York would first handle any state law questions.

"It is not clear if the federal election law violations could be the basis for prosecution in state court," Hasen said. "There is also an argument that Trump did not violate federal election law, for example, if his payments were personal and not campaign related."

Samuel Issacharoff, a fellow professor of constitutional law at New York University, said the Manhattan prosecutors' decision to raise misdemeanor falsification of business record charges to felonies raises several potential questions.

"First, was this a proper application of those laws?" he told Salon. "And second, are these laws that can be enforced by the states, or is there exclusively federal authority to enforce these laws?"

 
There is no doubt that Trump is guilty of falsifying business records regarding a payment made to Stormy Daniels before the 2016 election, which is usually a misdemeanor in New York. But there are questions about raising charges to a felony level by citing the federal election law, which is not a state matter.

Richard Hasen, an election law professor at UCLA, said that state courts in New York would first handle any state law questions.

"It is not clear if the federal election law violations could be the basis for prosecution in state court," Hasen said. "There is also an argument that Trump did not violate federal election law, for example, if his payments were personal and not campaign related."

Samuel Issacharoff, a fellow professor of constitutional law at New York University, said the Manhattan prosecutors' decision to raise misdemeanor falsification of business record charges to felonies raises several potential questions.

"First, was this a proper application of those laws?" he told Salon. "And second, are these laws that can be enforced by the states, or is there exclusively federal authority to enforce these laws?"


It was a state matter. People can debate it, but Bragg's office made it so. The rest is all intellectual masturbation fit for law classes at elite schools. Facts are a jury found the defendant guilty on all charges. Let the felon appeal. We'll see.
 
In what continues to be a close election, Trump cannot afford any detractors due to his legal problems.

You know whose legal problems wouldn't be on the television day in and day out? Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley.


Trump and the polls this far out have been a great seller of clicks/ads/news/profits. The horse race.

Real issue polling has shown a weakness with Trump ever since the 2020 election. Enthusiasm doesn't guarantee a win, but it helps feed resentment and denial, disbelief. Right now all we hear is "payback" "revenge" but resentment has been here all along. Resentment has not won in special elections and regular elections 2021, 2022, 2023...

Trump himself will keep the bad, awful news upfront. He can't help himself. He's a professional victim.
 
I haven't.....until this afternoon ....seen narrative reportage on what it was like that afternoon, Friday, in the Manhattan courtroom.

Well, the excellent blog for those with 'legalese' interests, "Lawfare", has that personal ----through my eyes ----narrative. "We the Jury" in their June 1st edition.

I've included the link here, and a 'taster' paragraph or two, but read the whole enchilada at the link below. (it is free)

Personally, I enjoyed the reportage as it describes on a personal basis the interaction between the court officers, jurors, reporters, et al.


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From Lawfare's narrative:

  • "Justice Merchan enters and takes his seat behind the bench. “I asked you to come down at 4:15 just to make you aware that, at this time, I’m going to excuse the jury at 4:30 p.m.” We’ll give them a few more minutes, and then we’ll excuse them, he adds.
    Justice Merchan steps off the bench and disappears behind a door on the left side of the courtroom.
    No verdict today—or so it seems.
    As we wait for Justice Merchan to reappear with the jurors, the defense team seems to be in unusually high spirits. Blanche cups his mouth and leans over toward Trump, whispering in his ear. They are smiling, laughing, relaxed."



  • "Half an hour passes before Justice Merchan reappears. The jurors file back into courtroom 1530. None of them look at Trump as they take their seats in the jury box.
    Justice Merchan directs his attention toward the jury box. “Mr. Foreperson, without telling me the verdict, has the jury in fact reached a verdict?” he asks.
    The foreperson—an Irish immigrant—speaks with the accent of his home country as he replies: “Yes, they have.”
    Justice Merchan turns the floor over to a court clerk.
    “Will the foreperson please rise?” the clerk asks. The foreperson, clad in a blue sweater, rises from his seat in the front corner of the jury box.
    How say you to Count One?"
 
Come election day the American nightmare Trump has put us through will be over.
If Trump wins, he will get what will be his last term as our leader. If he doesn't win, what makes you think that the nightmare as you call it will be over? Is there a limit on how many times a person can run for such a position?

God bless you and him always!!!

Holly
 

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