Abbas suggests Obama promised 67 lines - E. Jerusalem

[Phoenall]

So the fact that Palestinians considered themselves Palestinians and held congresses as Palestinians as early as 1919 does not matter to you. To you the bullshit you have been fed trumps the truth and facts.

In reality they did not see themselves as a separate entity but part of Syria

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The historical record continued to reveal an interplay between "Arab" and "Palestinian" identities and nationalism. The idea of a unique Palestinian state separated out from its Arab neighbors was at first rejected by Palestinian representatives. The First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations (in Jerusalem, February 1919), which met for the purpose of selecting a Palestinian Arab representative for the Paris Peace Conference, adopted the following resolution: "We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds

When France was given the mandate for Syria and the UK for Palestine, that ended any chance of Syria absorbing Palestine into Syria. By the way, Lebanon was also historically part of Syria, it was split off to maintain a Christian plurality. The fact is, Palestinians existed since Roman times, thru the Middle Ages (Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem) and through modern times. An attempt to deligitimize the Christians and Muslims of Palestine may play well in front of a brainwashed American audience, but is just plain bullshit as seen by the rest of the world.

Try again as France was also given the mandate for Palestine not Syria. Yes the area of Palestine did exist from the Roman conquest and included all of the above named nations, part of Saudi and part of Egypt. BUT IT WAS NEVER A SOVEREIGN STATE. The only people delegitimising the Christians are the arab muslims by keeping them under laws of DHIMMA. The muslims don't need any help in delegitimising themselves as they are doing a far better job than anyone else can. When you understand that before the mandate Palestine was a far latger part of the ME than it is now you might see your errors.

By the rest of the world I take it you mean the Islamic world

 

[montelatici]

There were very few Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula (who were the officer corps) in the conquering "Arab hordes". The hordes were largely Christian (and some Jewish) converts, as the religion of the people in the areas conquered by the "Arabs" in the Middle East and North Africa was mostly the state religion of Byzantium (Greek Orthodox).

 

[Phoenall]

Direct quotes from original sources.





Just your interpretation and not facts, the real facts are that the Palestine in your post includes Lebanon, Iraq, Syria and trans Jordan. This was so the mandate could give land for the nations mentioned but keep them under British governorship until such a tame as they were able to function as an entity.

Find a Palestinian passport issued before 1968 that does not have British printed all over it.

So once again you fail because you spin your own personal views on the details without taking in the full picture.

As I stated before. New Zealand Passports had British on them. Doesn't mean that New Zealand and New Zealanders did not exist.

Until they became independent then the word British was removed. The Palestinian inhabitants did not get a passport in their own right until 1968

 

[Phoenall]

By the way, I never fail. I do make you educationally unprepared lot look like amateurs though.

Every time you use a pro Palestinian or anti Israeli source you fail, could be that you are a rank amateur

 

[Phoenall]

The ignorance on this forum is deafening. You mean to tell me you are so brainwashed that you didn't know of a kingdom that existed in Palestine for more than a century and yet you make ridiculous attempts at demonstrating some knowledge of the subject?

To your question.

The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem had several kings, it was a kingdom after all.:


Kings of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem:

- 1100–1118 Baldwin I
- 1118–1131 Baldwin II
- 1131–1152 Melisende
- with Fulk 1131–1143
- 1143-1152-1162 Baldwin III
- 1162–1174 Amalric I
- 1174–1185 Baldwin IV
- 1185-1186 Baldwin V
- 1186–1192 Guy I
- 1192 Conrad I

The currency can be seen here:

Roman Catholicism was the official religion, so it was the God of the Roman Catholics that held sway in the Latin Kingdom.

LINK as I believe they were commanders and not actual Kings.

They were kings. You're playing right into his hands.

Watch and see him squirm

 

[montelatici]

Wow, you certainly have problems absorbing facts.

Talk about nutcases. Zionist claims that Palestinians don't exist are so old school that even the most fervent Zionists don't use that tack anymore.

No one says they don't exist. We are just providing all the evidence that suggest they are a made up people, which they are.

Your reading comprehension skills are brutal. Did you finish high school?

So, now the deligitimizing of the Palestinians continues by claiming they are a "made up people". Exactly what does that mean? Does it mean that they did not exist and magically they appeared after the creation of Israel. Does it mean that no Christians or Muslims lived in Palestine before the European Jews settled there.

I am not sure what this "made up people" thing means. Since I did not graduate from high school, please explain it in simple terms. And, you might include what you feel the consequences of being a "made up" people are. Does that mean they do not have any rights, because they are "made up " people? Does it make it ok for these "made up" people to be oppressed, murdered separated and otherwise mistreated by the Jews?

Come on let's hear what you have to say genius.

 

[Phoenall]

So, Hong Kong did not exist because the people of Hong Kong had British written on their passports (along with Hong Kong), or New Zealanders do not exist because their passports had the word British on them. Talk about "massive fail", to use your juvenile terminology.

https://tinyurl.com/lgtcyjq

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Wrong again as Hong Kong is part of China and New Zealand issues passports in its own right. But the "palestinian" passports during the mandate period are those of Brutish citizens of the mandate of Palestine. They were never issued by the Palestinian government as it did not exist, nor did any nation of Palestine until 1988. Before this Palestine was always occupied land by one group or another.

Why do you want to make a fool of yourself? Of course Dominion of New Zealand passports had British on them. So did Hong Kong passports. So did many others. The fact that these passports had British on them did not negate that New Zealanders were a people.

Yes a BRITISH PEOPLE, just as the so called Palestinians were British people

 

[montelatici]

LINK as I believe they were commanders and not actual Kings.

They were kings. You're playing right into his hands.

Watch and see him squirm

You have a vivid imagination for being such a dunce. Commanders indeed.

 

[Phoenall]

So, Hong Kong did not exist because the people of Hong Kong had British written on their passports (along with Hong Kong), or New Zealanders do not exist because their passports had the word British on them. Talk about "massive fail", to use your juvenile terminology.

https://tinyurl.com/lgtcyjq

https://tinyurl.com/kqd8o5s

Hong Kong are Chinese. Doh!

Hong Kong passports had British on them until 1997, dummy.

Correct showing that Hong Kong was not a nation, nor is it today as it is part of China. You see Britain rented Hong Kong from China and in 1997 the lease was up. Now Hong Kong passports have China on them.

 

[montelatici]

Wrong again as Hong Kong is part of China and New Zealand issues passports in its own right. But the "palestinian" passports during the mandate period are those of Brutish citizens of the mandate of Palestine. They were never issued by the Palestinian government as it did not exist, nor did any nation of Palestine until 1988. Before this Palestine was always occupied land by one group or another.

Why do you want to make a fool of yourself? Of course Dominion of New Zealand passports had British on them. So did Hong Kong passports. So did many others. The fact that these passports had British on them did not negate that New Zealanders were a people.

Yes a BRITISH PEOPLE, just as the so called Palestinians were British people

Oh, I see there were no New Zealanders whilst their passports had British (and Dominion of New Zealand) on them and when British was removed they became New Zealanders. Interesting. You are a genius and are doing your handlers proud. Sure put me in my place.

 

[Phoenall]

There were very few Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula (who were the officer corps) in the conquering "Arab hordes". The hordes were largely Christian (and some Jewish) converts, as the religion of the people in the areas conquered by the "Arabs" in the Middle East and North Africa was mostly the state religion of Byzantium (Greek Orthodox).

Read the laws of dhimma and you will see that no non muslims will be allowed to bear arms OR BE PART OF ANY ISLAMIC ARMY. So were ever you gleaned this from is LYING LIKE A CHEAP RUG

 

[montelatici]

Hong Kong are Chinese. Doh!

Hong Kong passports had British on them until 1997, dummy.

Correct showing that Hong Kong was not a nation, nor is it today as it is part of China. You see Britain rented Hong Kong from China and in 1997 the lease was up. Now Hong Kong passports have China on them.

So, what's your point to the question of whether Palestinians existed as a people before the 1960s? Are you going to say that the people of Hong Kong did not exist while Britain ruled Hong Kong? Or New Zealanders until British was removed from their passports?

 

[montelatici]

There were very few Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula (who were the officer corps) in the conquering "Arab hordes". The hordes were largely Christian (and some Jewish) converts, as the religion of the people in the areas conquered by the "Arabs" in the Middle East and North Africa was mostly the state religion of Byzantium (Greek Orthodox).

Read the laws of dhimma and you will see that no non muslims will be allowed to bear arms OR BE PART OF ANY ISLAMIC ARMY. So were ever you gleaned this from is LYING LIKE A CHEAP RUG

That's why they converted to Islam, as I stated. Do you have a reading comprehension problem or just don't know what religious "conversion" means?

 

[MrMax]

I suggest Abbas surrender, he's as useful 3 legged camel.

 

[Sally]

Wow, you certainly have problems absorbing facts.

Talk about nutcases. Zionist claims that Palestinians don't exist are so old school that even the most fervent Zionists don't use that tack anymore.

No one says they don't exist. We are just providing all the evidence that suggest they are a made up people, which they are.

Your reading comprehension skills are brutal. Did you finish high school?

It's a shame that she wasn't able to go with Arafat to Russia when he was told to call these Arabs "Palestinians." However, I don't think she was even born then. Those in the State Department like this former poster who said the following must have had a good laugh over this.

Sure there was a Palestine. It was invented in the 1960s in a conference room at 1 Lubyanka, Dzershinsky Place, Red Square, Moscow, CCCP. It came complete with a "Palestinian people" too. In fact, its legacy leader was trained east of Moscow at the legendary Balashikha special-ops school.

 

[Phoenall]

Talk about nutcases. Zionist claims that Palestinians don't exist are so old school that even the most fervent Zionists don't use that tack anymore.

No one says they don't exist. We are just providing all the evidence that suggest they are a made up people, which they are.

Your reading comprehension skills are brutal. Did you finish high school?

So, now the deligitimizing of the Palestinians continues by claiming they are a "made up people". Exactly what does that mean? Does it mean that they did not exist and magically they appeared after the creation of Israel. Does it mean that no Christians or Muslims lived in Palestine before the European Jews settled there.

I am not sure what this "made up people" thing means. Since I did not graduate from high school, please explain it in simple terms. And, you might include what you feel the consequences of being a "made up" people are. Does that mean they do not have any rights, because they are "made up " people? Does it make it ok for these "made up" people to be oppressed, murdered separated and otherwise mistreated by the Jews?

Come on let's hear what you have to say genius.

For nigh on 2,000 years the only Palestinians were the Jews, after 635 C.E. the muslims came on the scene and turned the term into a term of obscenity. Right up until Arafat decided that the arab muslims needed a title to legitimise their claims they still used the term as an obscenity to describe the Jews. Much as they do today with the term Zionist. Now the term is used by other arab muslims as an obscenity to describe the muslim mongrels that live in gaza and west bank.

Does the murder, oppression, rape and brutal beatings of the Jews not count against the arab muslims and mollify the LESS barbaric and brutal treatment of the arab muslims at the hands of Jews

 

[Sally]

There were very few Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula (who were the officer corps) in the conquering "Arab hordes". The hordes were largely Christian (and some Jewish) converts, as the religion of the people in the areas conquered by the "Arabs" in the Middle East and North Africa was mostly the state religion of Byzantium (Greek Orthodox).

Anyone viewing the Icons of the Holy Land from the 2nd to the 4th century lent by St. Catherine's Church in the Sinai and which were exhibited in the U.S. could discern that the original Christians in the area were very devout Christians. They certainly didn't raise their hands saying they wanted to be Muslims when the Muslims invaded them.

History of Jihad against the Egyptian Coptic Christians (640)

 

[Sally]

No one says they don't exist. We are just providing all the evidence that suggest they are a made up people, which they are.

Your reading comprehension skills are brutal. Did you finish high school?

So, now the deligitimizing of the Palestinians continues by claiming they are a "made up people". Exactly what does that mean? Does it mean that they did not exist and magically they appeared after the creation of Israel. Does it mean that no Christians or Muslims lived in Palestine before the European Jews settled there.

I am not sure what this "made up people" thing means. Since I did not graduate from high school, please explain it in simple terms. And, you might include what you feel the consequences of being a "made up" people are. Does that mean they do not have any rights, because they are "made up " people? Does it make it ok for these "made up" people to be oppressed, murdered separated and otherwise mistreated by the Jews?

Come on let's hear what you have to say genius.

For nigh on 2,000 years the only Palestinians were the Jews, after 635 C.E. the muslims came on the scene and turned the term into a term of obscenity. Right up until Arafat decided that the arab muslims needed a title to legitimise their claims they still used the term as an obscenity to describe the Jews. Much as they do today with the term Zionist. Now the term is used by other arab muslims as an obscenity to describe the muslim mongrels that live in gaza and west bank.

Does the murder, oppression, rape and brutal beatings of the Jews not count against the arab muslims and mollify the LESS barbaric and brutal treatment of the arab muslims at the hands of Jews

I think we are getting the "Palestine" view of history from her. After all, she doesn't seem to have any concern for all those innocent people being harassed and murdered in the other countries of the Middle East as well as Africa and Southeast Asia. Maybe the murder of Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims of different sects don't matter to her, and like a good "Palestinian" she only wants to concentrate on the one little area of the world which is governed by Jews. This has to stick in the craw of any "Palestinian." You can't be fooled by the screen name that some posters choose.

 

[aris2chat]

So the fact that Palestinians considered themselves Palestinians and held congresses as Palestinians as early as 1919 does not matter to you. To you the bullshit you have been fed trumps the truth and facts.

In reality they did not see themselves as a separate entity but part of Syria

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The historical record continued to reveal an interplay between "Arab" and "Palestinian" identities and nationalism. The idea of a unique Palestinian state separated out from its Arab neighbors was at first rejected by Palestinian representatives. The First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations (in Jerusalem, February 1919), which met for the purpose of selecting a Palestinian Arab representative for the Paris Peace Conference, adopted the following resolution: "We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds

When France was given the mandate for Syria and the UK for Palestine, that ended any chance of Syria absorbing Palestine into Syria. By the way, Lebanon was also historically part of Syria, it was split off to maintain a Christian plurality. The fact is, Palestinians existed since Roman times, thru the Middle Ages (Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem) and through modern times. An attempt to deligitimize the Christians and Muslims of Palestine may play well in front of a brainwashed American audience, but is just plain bullshit as seen by the rest of the world.

Lebanon was autonomous under the ottoman empire.

 

[aris2chat]

Palestine did not come into existence after WW1 it had been in existence as an area for 2000 years
The land of greater Palestine yes that includes what is now Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and trans Jordan
The arabs of Palestine were indistinguishable from their neighbours because that is were they originally came from
The majority of Palestinians were recent migrants, this is proven by the fact they changed the rules to accommodate the recent arrivals.

The exercised their right to self determination when they refused the offer of a nation in 1948. The only outside interference came from the arab league who invaded the land and tried to wipe out the Jews.


Unless you have an unbiased account that says differently of course, not the usual Palestinian one that adds details to existing treaties because he thinks they should be part of the treaty.

Direct quotes from original sources.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...ised-67-lines-e-jerusalem-22.html#post8823053

Just your interpretation and not facts, the real facts are that the Palestine in your post includes Lebanon, Iraq, Syria and trans Jordan. This was so the mandate could give land for the nations mentioned but keep them under British governorship until such a tame as they were able to function as an entity.

Find a Palestinian passport issued before 1968 that does not have British printed all over it.

So once again you fail because you spin your own personal views on the details without taking in the full picture.

The was Assad's dream of a greater Syria. ISIS also wants a greater arab state.