Abbas suggests Obama promised 67 lines - E. Jerusalem

[Phoenall]

They may have had a different vision for the future but they did firmly reject illegal foreign interference.

As did the Palestinians in general.

They also rejected sovereignty, independence and freedom

They rejected foreigner's version of sovereignty, independence and freedom.

Which proves they exercised free determination to the full, so they accepted "foriegners versions" of sovereignty, independence and freedom.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Who was its ruler, where was its capital city, what was its currency and finally who was its GOD. These are all indications of a sovereign state and if they are missing then there was no sovereign state.

Yes your pro Palestinian terrorist propaganda is deafening

The ignorance on this forum is deafening. You mean to tell me you are so brainwashed that you didn't know of a kingdom that existed in Palestine for more than a century and yet you make ridiculous attempts at demonstrating some knowledge of the subject?

To your question.

The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem had several kings, it was a kingdom after all.:


Kings of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem:

- 1100–1118 Baldwin I
- 1118–1131 Baldwin II
- 1131–1152 Melisende
- with Fulk 1131–1143
- 1143-1152-1162 Baldwin III
- 1162–1174 Amalric I
- 1174–1185 Baldwin IV
- 1185-1186 Baldwin V
- 1186–1192 Guy I
- 1192 Conrad I

The currency can be seen here:

Roman Catholicism was the official religion, so it was the God of the Roman Catholics that held sway in the Latin Kingdom.

He explicitly stated Arab, implying Muslim, NOT Catholic.

monte will reply that there are some Arab Christians (like in Lebanon). But everyone knows the Christian Crusaders were from Europe.

 

[Indeependent]

So the fact that Palestinians considered themselves Palestinians and held congresses as Palestinians as early as 1919 does not matter to you. To you the bullshit you have been fed trumps the truth and facts.

In reality they did not see themselves as a separate entity but part of Syria

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The historical record continued to reveal an interplay between "Arab" and "Palestinian" identities and nationalism. The idea of a unique Palestinian state separated out from its Arab neighbors was at first rejected by Palestinian representatives. The First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations (in Jerusalem, February 1919), which met for the purpose of selecting a Palestinian Arab representative for the Paris Peace Conference, adopted the following resolution: "We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds

When France was given the mandate for Syria and the UK for Palestine, that ended any chance of Syria absorbing Palestine into Syria. By the way, Lebanon was also historically part of Syria, it was split off to maintain a Christian plurality. The fact is, Palestinians existed since Roman times, thru the Middle Ages (Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem) and through modern times. An attempt to deligitimize the Christians and Muslims of Palestine may play well in front of a brainwashed American audience, but is just plain bullshit as seen by the rest of the world.

Yes, we see how anxious the Christians were, post WWII, to live amongst the uncivilized animals called Muslims.

 

[Phoenall]

Surely Palestine has had more than its fair share of invasions, conquests, and occupations.

WWI was a turning point for Palestine. Palestine came into legal existence when it was separated from Turkish rule after WWI. Its land was defined by international borders. Palestinians were a nation of people distinct from their neighbors. The Palestinians were the citizens of Palestine.

The Palestinians had inalienable rights in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

The only reference to foreigners is that external interference is illegal.

Palestine did not come into existence after WW1 it had been in existence as an area for 2000 years
The land of greater Palestine yes that includes what is now Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and trans Jordan
The arabs of Palestine were indistinguishable from their neighbours because that is were they originally came from
The majority of Palestinians were recent migrants, this is proven by the fact they changed the rules to accommodate the recent arrivals.

The exercised their right to self determination when they refused the offer of a nation in 1948. The only outside interference came from the arab league who invaded the land and tried to wipe out the Jews.


Unless you have an unbiased account that says differently of course, not the usual Palestinian one that adds details to existing treaties because he thinks they should be part of the treaty.

Direct quotes from original sources.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...ised-67-lines-e-jerusalem-22.html#post8823053

Just your interpretation and not facts, the real facts are that the Palestine in your post includes Lebanon, Iraq, Syria and trans Jordan. This was so the mandate could give land for the nations mentioned but keep them under British governorship until such a tame as they were able to function as an entity.

Find a Palestinian passport issued before 1968 that does not have British printed all over it.

So once again you fail because you spin your own personal views on the details without taking in the full picture.

 

[montelatici]

Who was its ruler, where was its capital city, what was its currency and finally who was its GOD. These are all indications of a sovereign state and if they are missing then there was no sovereign state.

Yes your pro Palestinian terrorist propaganda is deafening

The ignorance on this forum is deafening. You mean to tell me you are so brainwashed that you didn't know of a kingdom that existed in Palestine for more than a century and yet you make ridiculous attempts at demonstrating some knowledge of the subject?

To your question.

The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem had several kings, it was a kingdom after all.:


Kings of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem:

- 1100–1118 Baldwin I
- 1118–1131 Baldwin II
- 1131–1152 Melisende
- with Fulk 1131–1143
- 1143-1152-1162 Baldwin III
- 1162–1174 Amalric I
- 1174–1185 Baldwin IV
- 1185-1186 Baldwin V
- 1186–1192 Guy I
- 1192 Conrad I

The currency can be seen here:

Roman Catholicism was the official religion, so it was the God of the Roman Catholics that held sway in the Latin Kingdom.

He explicitly stated Arab, implying Muslim, NOT Catholic.

How does "Arab" imply Muslim? There are plenty of Catholic/Christian Arabs, there were many more before the European Jews drove most of them out. Local Christians were the ruling class in Palestine during the Latin Kingdom's era. These continued attempts deligitimize the Palestinians are annoying. In any case, it looks like Christian Evangelicals are starting side with their Christian peers in Palestine.

"Christian Support for 'Palestinian Cause' Ascendant.....An interview with an American Christian commentator published by Israeli media this week reveals just how far the Evangelical Church has moved into the "Palestinian camp" when it comes to the Middle East conflict."

Christian Support for 'Palestinian Cause' Ascendant - Israel Today | Israel News

 

[Indeependent]

The ignorance on this forum is deafening. You mean to tell me you are so brainwashed that you didn't know of a kingdom that existed in Palestine for more than a century and yet you make ridiculous attempts at demonstrating some knowledge of the subject?

To your question.

The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem had several kings, it was a kingdom after all.:


Kings of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem:

- 1100–1118 Baldwin I
- 1118–1131 Baldwin II
- 1131–1152 Melisende
- with Fulk 1131–1143
- 1143-1152-1162 Baldwin III
- 1162–1174 Amalric I
- 1174–1185 Baldwin IV
- 1185-1186 Baldwin V
- 1186–1192 Guy I
- 1192 Conrad I

The currency can be seen here:

Roman Catholicism was the official religion, so it was the God of the Roman Catholics that held sway in the Latin Kingdom.

He explicitly stated Arab, implying Muslim, NOT Catholic.

How does "Arab" imply Muslim? There are plenty of Catholic/Christian Arabs, there were many more before the European Jews drove most of them out. Local Christians were the ruling class in Palestine during the Latin Kingdom's era. These continued attempts deligitimize the Palestinians are annoying. In any case, it looks like Christian Evangelicals are starting side with their Christian peers in Palestine.

"Christian Support for 'Palestinian Cause' Ascendant.....An interview with an American Christian commentator published by Israeli media this week reveals just how far the Evangelical Church has moved into the "Palestinian camp" when it comes to the Middle East conflict."

Christian Support for 'Palestinian Cause' Ascendant - Israel Today | Israel News

Yes, we see how well the Christian Arabs have been faring since Yassar Arafat and his murderers ran amok.
Are you in your twenties?

 

[Phoenall]

What the heck are you talking about. Do some research before posting bullshit.


Palestinian Passport from 1943:

http://tinyurl.com/krgtv6r

Only one problem IT IS A BRITISH PASSPORT as shown by the details on the left and the word BRITISH in the centre of the right hand page.

Another massive fail because you don't read what you post in the first place. You have just shown that Palestine was still mandated in 1943 and this person could have come from Syria or trans Jordan

So, Hong Kong did not exist because the people of Hong Kong had British written on their passports (along with Hong Kong), or New Zealanders do not exist because their passports had the word British on them. Talk about "massive fail", to use your juvenile terminology.

https://tinyurl.com/lgtcyjq

https://tinyurl.com/kqd8o5s

Wrong again as Hong Kong is part of China and New Zealand issues passports in its own right. But the "palestinian" passports during the mandate period are those of Brutish citizens of the mandate of Palestine. They were never issued by the Palestinian government as it did not exist, nor did any nation of Palestine until 1988. Before this Palestine was always occupied land by one group or another.

 

[montelatici]

Palestine did not come into existence after WW1 it had been in existence as an area for 2000 years
The land of greater Palestine yes that includes what is now Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and trans Jordan
The arabs of Palestine were indistinguishable from their neighbours because that is were they originally came from
The majority of Palestinians were recent migrants, this is proven by the fact they changed the rules to accommodate the recent arrivals.

The exercised their right to self determination when they refused the offer of a nation in 1948. The only outside interference came from the arab league who invaded the land and tried to wipe out the Jews.


Unless you have an unbiased account that says differently of course, not the usual Palestinian one that adds details to existing treaties because he thinks they should be part of the treaty.

Direct quotes from original sources.





Just your interpretation and not facts, the real facts are that the Palestine in your post includes Lebanon, Iraq, Syria and trans Jordan. This was so the mandate could give land for the nations mentioned but keep them under British governorship until such a tame as they were able to function as an entity.

Find a Palestinian passport issued before 1968 that does not have British printed all over it.

So once again you fail because you spin your own personal views on the details without taking in the full picture.

As I stated before. New Zealand Passports had British on them. Doesn't mean that New Zealand and New Zealanders did not exist.

 

[montelatici]

By the way, I never fail. I do make you educationally unprepared lot look like amateurs though.

 

[Phoenall]

Do you really believe that anyone except brainwashed morons would use a Jewish propaganda site for obtaining facts. Grow up punk.

proof that it is a Jewish propaganda site as your word alone is worthless.

This is getting even funnier. You folks are truly twats. Do you really believe that that site is not a Jewish propaganda site or are you joking?

Then this means you have failed to show that it is a Jewish propaganda site, and just threw that in to stir up the water. I TAKE IT YOU RESEARCHED THIS SITE THOROUGHLY AND IN DEPTH ?

 

[Phoenall]

So, The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem was not a sovereign state. The propaganda is deafening.

Who was its ruler, where was its capital city, what was its currency and finally who was its GOD. These are all indications of a sovereign state and if they are missing then there was no sovereign state.

Yes your pro Palestinian terrorist propaganda is deafening

The ignorance on this forum is deafening. You mean to tell me you are so brainwashed that you didn't know of a kingdom that existed in Palestine for more than a century and yet you make ridiculous attempts at demonstrating some knowledge of the subject?

To your question.

The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem had several kings, it was a kingdom after all.:


Kings of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem:

- 1100–1118 Baldwin I
- 1118–1131 Baldwin II
- 1131–1152 Melisende
- with Fulk 1131–1143
- 1143-1152-1162 Baldwin III
- 1162–1174 Amalric I
- 1174–1185 Baldwin IV
- 1185-1186 Baldwin V
- 1186–1192 Guy I
- 1192 Conrad I

The currency can be seen here:

Roman Catholicism was the official religion, so it was the God of the Roman Catholics that held sway in the Latin Kingdom.

LINK as I believe they were commanders and not actual Kings.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Who was its ruler, where was its capital city, what was its currency and finally who was its GOD. These are all indications of a sovereign state and if they are missing then there was no sovereign state.

Yes your pro Palestinian terrorist propaganda is deafening

The ignorance on this forum is deafening. You mean to tell me you are so brainwashed that you didn't know of a kingdom that existed in Palestine for more than a century and yet you make ridiculous attempts at demonstrating some knowledge of the subject?

To your question.

The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem had several kings, it was a kingdom after all.:


Kings of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem:

- 1100–1118 Baldwin I
- 1118–1131 Baldwin II
- 1131–1152 Melisende
- with Fulk 1131–1143
- 1143-1152-1162 Baldwin III
- 1162–1174 Amalric I
- 1174–1185 Baldwin IV
- 1185-1186 Baldwin V
- 1186–1192 Guy I
- 1192 Conrad I

The currency can be seen here:

Roman Catholicism was the official religion, so it was the God of the Roman Catholics that held sway in the Latin Kingdom.

LINK as I believe they were commanders and not actual Kings.

They were kings. You're playing right into his hands.

 

[montelatici]

Only one problem IT IS A BRITISH PASSPORT as shown by the details on the left and the word BRITISH in the centre of the right hand page.

Another massive fail because you don't read what you post in the first place. You have just shown that Palestine was still mandated in 1943 and this person could have come from Syria or trans Jordan

So, Hong Kong did not exist because the people of Hong Kong had British written on their passports (along with Hong Kong), or New Zealanders do not exist because their passports had the word British on them. Talk about "massive fail", to use your juvenile terminology.

https://tinyurl.com/lgtcyjq

https://tinyurl.com/kqd8o5s

Wrong again as Hong Kong is part of China and New Zealand issues passports in its own right. But the "palestinian" passports during the mandate period are those of Brutish citizens of the mandate of Palestine. They were never issued by the Palestinian government as it did not exist, nor did any nation of Palestine until 1988. Before this Palestine was always occupied land by one group or another.

Why do you want to make a fool of yourself? Of course Dominion of New Zealand passports had British on them. So did Hong Kong passports. So did many others. The fact that these passports had British on them did not negate that New Zealanders were a people.

 

[Sally]

proof that it is a Jewish propaganda site as your word alone is worthless.

This is getting even funnier. You folks are truly twats. Do you really believe that that site is not a Jewish propaganda site or are you joking?

Then this means you have failed to show that it is a Jewish propaganda site, and just threw that in to stir up the water. I TAKE IT YOU RESEARCHED THIS SITE THOROUGHLY AND IN DEPTH ?

Phoenall, I have to laugh at montelatici calling someone a punk. It reminds me of a young arrogant woman (possibly a Muslim herself) who thinks she knows it all; and since she is calling posters twats, perhaps she is one of those Muslims in England. Meanwhile, while she is attempting to show large Evangelical support for the Palestinians, there are still millions of American Evangelicals who still support Israel. By the way, have you ever seen montelatici on any other forums condemning what her Muslim buddies are doing to the Christians not only in the Middle East, but also Africa and Southeast Asia. Anyhow, the following is a site from the International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem who seems quite aware of what is happening to their fellow Christians.

Christians in Israel to EU: "Stop Christian Ethnic Cleansing in Arab Countries" | Breaking Israel News

 

[natstew]

The ignorance on this forum is deafening. You mean to tell me you are so brainwashed that you didn't know of a kingdom that existed in Palestine for more than a century and yet you make ridiculous attempts at demonstrating some knowledge of the subject?

To your question.

The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem had several kings, it was a kingdom after all.:


Kings of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem:

- 1100–1118 Baldwin I
- 1118–1131 Baldwin II
- 1131–1152 Melisende
- with Fulk 1131–1143
- 1143-1152-1162 Baldwin III
- 1162–1174 Amalric I
- 1174–1185 Baldwin IV
- 1185-1186 Baldwin V
- 1186–1192 Guy I
- 1192 Conrad I

The currency can be seen here:

Roman Catholicism was the official religion, so it was the God of the Roman Catholics that held sway in the Latin Kingdom.

He explicitly stated Arab, implying Muslim, NOT Catholic.

monte will reply that there are some Arab Christians (like in Lebanon). But everyone knows the Christian Crusaders were from Europe.

Jesus, 'Christ' was a Jew. His followers were also Jews and the first Christians. Christians have existed in 'The Promised Land' since the first followers of Jesus.

 

[Roudy]

What the heck are you talking about. Do some research before posting bullshit.


Palestinian Passport from 1943:

http://tinyurl.com/krgtv6r

Only one problem IT IS A BRITISH PASSPORT as shown by the details on the left and the word BRITISH in the centre of the right hand page.

Another massive fail because you don't read what you post in the first place. You have just shown that Palestine was still mandated in 1943 and this person could have come from Syria or trans Jordan

So, Hong Kong did not exist because the people of Hong Kong had British written on their passports (along with Hong Kong), or New Zealanders do not exist because their passports had the word British on them. Talk about "massive fail", to use your juvenile terminology.

https://tinyurl.com/lgtcyjq

https://tinyurl.com/kqd8o5s

Hong Kong are Chinese. Doh!

 

[montelatici]

And this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3n5-yG-6dU

So the fact that Palestinians considered themselves Palestinians and held congresses as Palestinians as early as 1919 does not matter to you. To you the bullshit you have been fed trumps the truth and facts.

Wow, you certainly have problems absorbing facts.

Talk about nutcases. Zionist claims that Palestinians don't exist are so old school that even the most fervent Zionists don't use that tack anymore.

 

[montelatici]

Only one problem IT IS A BRITISH PASSPORT as shown by the details on the left and the word BRITISH in the centre of the right hand page.

Another massive fail because you don't read what you post in the first place. You have just shown that Palestine was still mandated in 1943 and this person could have come from Syria or trans Jordan

So, Hong Kong did not exist because the people of Hong Kong had British written on their passports (along with Hong Kong), or New Zealanders do not exist because their passports had the word British on them. Talk about "massive fail", to use your juvenile terminology.

https://tinyurl.com/lgtcyjq

https://tinyurl.com/kqd8o5s

Hong Kong are Chinese. Doh!

Hong Kong passports had British on them until 1997, dummy.

 

[Sally]

He explicitly stated Arab, implying Muslim, NOT Catholic.

monte will reply that there are some Arab Christians (like in Lebanon). But everyone knows the Christian Crusaders were from Europe.

Jesus, 'Christ' was a Jew. His followers were also Jews and the first Christians. Christians have existed in 'The Promised Land' since the first followers of Jesus.

Let us not forget that these original Christians also lived in other parts of the Middle East, such as Iraq, Egypt, Syria -- and when the Muslims left the Saudi Peninsula to invade these countries, they forced many of these Christians to convert and killed many who refused. The descendents of these original Christians who were lucky enough to survive the Muslim onslaught can't even practice their religion in peace these days. By the way, let us not forget that the Greek Orthodox priest in Israel said that the Christians are not Arabs. He named another group which these Christians belong to because as he stated, the Christians were there way before the Arabs.

 

[toastman]

So the fact that Palestinians considered themselves Palestinians and held congresses as Palestinians as early as 1919 does not matter to you. To you the bullshit you have been fed trumps the truth and facts.

Wow, you certainly have problems absorbing facts.

Talk about nutcases. Zionist claims that Palestinians don't exist are so old school that even the most fervent Zionists don't use that tack anymore.

No one says they don't exist. We are just providing all the evidence that suggest they are a made up people, which they are.

Your reading comprehension skills are brutal. Did you finish high school?