A very specific "off ramp" to end to the shutdown, majority rules. (Poll)

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I can certainly advocate for anything I want to. If enough people agree we can make those changes.

Do you think they deserve 275k a year?

Yes, you can, and you have the right to appear as a hypocrite for advocating something you will never see.

Where did you get that figure? It's incorrect.

2025 (present)

$174,000

per annum

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Yes, you can, and you have the right to appear as a hypocrite for advocating something you will never see.

Where did you get that figure? It's incorrect.

2025 (present)

$174,000

per annum

How is that hypocritical? It would be if I was collecting that pay and saying it should be stopped but just me advocating for it isn’t hypocritical at all.

I was off, my bad. Still a pretty cushy job well beyond the incomes of those they’re supposed to represent.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

How is that hypocritical? It would be if I was collecting that pay and saying it should be stopped but just me advocating for it isn’t hypocritical at all.

I was off, my bad. Still a pretty cushy job well beyond the incomes of those they’re supposed to represent.

Never lived in DC did you?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Never lived in DC did you?

Oh good lord no. But that doesn’t affect my opinion. If it weren’t for all of those high paying government jobs in DC the normal people would be better off. DC shouldn’t really be the hub of riches from tax payers.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Oh good lord no. But that doesn’t affect my opinion. If it weren’t for all of those high paying government jobs in DC the normal people would be better off. DC shouldn’t really be the hub of riches from tax payers.

Facts trump your opinion. That is all. Dismissed.

 

[kyzr]

give the Dems a taste of their own medicine ..

Nuclear option​

The nuclear option was invoked on November 21, 2013, when a Democratic majority led by Harry Reid used the procedure to reduce the cloture threshold for ...

Bad idea. Then you'd get DC and PR as states, a packed court, abortion on demand, everything on the dem's wishlist the next time they get majorities.
I prefer a limited option, to just when there is a shutdown. To pass CRs and Appropriations Bills.

 

[WorldWatcher]

How long can the shutdown last? A month? Two months?

We have two entrenched/obstinate political parties, neither willing to compromise.

The military and other "essential workers" get screwed by having their paychecks held up, but their bills aren't.

Here is one possibility:
1. Sen. Thune re-writes the senate rules for shutdowns, that if a shutdown lasts longer than 14-days, a clean CR can be passed by a simple majority.

2. If that CR expires, appropriations bills can also be passed with a simple majority.

The United States of America should not be held hostage by either political party. The senate majority, with the VP breaking ties, should be able to pass a budget.

Sen. Thune can't change the rules.

He can propose a change and then put it to a vote by the Senate as a body, then the idea just needs a simple majority to either permenantly change the rules or provide an exception. He just needs 50+1 of the 53 Senators, or in the event of a tie 50 Senators + the VP to pass by a majority.

Some people have seemed to have been upset with me when I've pointed out this simple fact of life. The GOP doesn't need a single DEM vote to pass this legislation: Step 1 - simple majority to change the rule, Step 2 - simple majority to invoke cloture, Step 3 - simple majority to pass the legislation.
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But the down side is watch what you ask for as you just might get it, meaning once done, it can't be undone and the DEMs will use it when back in control in the Senate. And make no mistake, the pendulum swings.

A pox on BOTH the "my way or the highway" party mentality we've gotten ourselves into.

WW

 

[the watcher]

There was always a "deal" in place, you just haven't been officially 'splained about it yet. There must be some fear and loathing, without those we might want some real changes to how we are run.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Bad idea. Then you'd get DC and PR as states, a packed court, abortion on demand, everything on the dem's wishlist the next time they get majorities.
I prefer a limited option, to just when there is a shutdown. To pass CRs and Appropriations Bills.

There is no "limited" option.

Outside of a Constitutional amendment as Article I, Section 5 clearly says it's is up to each House (as in Senate and House of Representatives) to make their own rules on proceedings. Meaning each houses rules can be changed by a simple majority.

The problem isn't the use of a filibuster during debate on a bill as the Senate has unlimited debate time unless agreed to as part of the legislating bill. This means that the Senate could debate a bill indenfinately, but all other Senate actions were on hold while the bill was being actively debated. This gives rise the the idea of a filibuster where a Senator holds for floor for hours reading cookbooks and Green Eggs and Ham. In 1917 the Senate adopted the cloture vote rule allowing the end of debate upon a 2/3rds vote (later changed to 3/5ths).

The real problem arose when they started to allow filibustering without debate. Meaning a Senator (or Senators) could put a hold on actions for a bill indefinatley without having to be on the floor speaking and allowing the Senate to proceed as normal during this time until such time as a cloture vote passed. Effectively killing legislation be preventing it from coming up to the Constitutiuonal mandated simple majority vote.
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To fix this return to the days when Senate business stopped and the filibuster required a Senator to be actively speaking on the floor.

WW

 

[kyzr]

Sen. Thune can't change the rules. He can propose a change and then put it to a vote by the Senate as a body, then the idea just needs a simple majority to either permanently change the rules or provide an exception. He just needs 50+1 of the 53 Senators, or in the event of a tie 50 Senators + the VP to pass by a majority.
Some people have seemed to have been upset with me when I've pointed out this simple fact of life. The GOP doesn't need a single DEM vote to pass this legislation: Step 1 - simple majority to change the rule, Step 2 - simple majority to invoke cloture, Step 3 - simple majority to pass the legislation.
But the down side is watch what you ask for as you just might get it, meaning once done, it can't be undone and the DEMs will use it when back in control in the Senate. And make no mistake, the pendulum swings.
A pox on BOTH the "my way or the highway" party mentality we've gotten ourselves into. WW

Totally agree. But if the rule change is only when the government is shutdown, a simple majority can pass appropriations bills, that would solve a lot of issues. No CRs, just pass the budget.

 

[DonGlock26]

Pass a balanced budget bill. The Dems can block it and end the federal gov't.

 

[kyzr]

Pass a balanced budget bill. The Dems can block it and end the federal gov't.

If only 51 votes are needed to pass appropriations bills it can't be blocked.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We need to end the CR fiasco altogether and once and for all

Clean zero based budget for each government Agency

 

[WorldWatcher]

Totally agree. But if the rule change is only when the government is shutdown, a simple majority can pass appropriations bills, that would solve a lot of issues. No CRs, just pass the budget.

That's what you are not getting, you appear to believe that the rule change you want is a good thing and can be limited.

But once the precedent is set, the DEMs will use the same tactic when they are in power to pass their bills.

Remember the GOP has a razor thin margin in both the Senate and the House. Trump barely won the vote of the people and that was only because Biden screwed the pooch and tried to run for a second term. If Biden has committed to being a one term President and the DEMs had a proper primary season (a) Harris wouldn't have been the nominee, and (b) Trump wouldn't have won.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

If only 51 votes are needed to pass appropriations bills it can't be blocked.

#1 Only 51 votes are currently needed to pass appropriation bills. Ending debate on the bill (cloture) is a different issue.

#2 If you change the rules just for appropriations, then suddenly every bill will have some aspect of "appropriations" in it to fall under that rule.

Better to get past the may way or the highway mentality currently infecting BOTH parties.

WW

 

[Edgetho]

Elections have consequences. Democrats are being unreasonable even after Republicans passed 13 CRs during Biden.

We cant be held hostage. If the shutdown goes past14-days Thune should go nuclear.

How long should government workers go without a paycheck? Two weeks is more than long enough.

And NO Back-Pay.

None. **** this shit of giving goobermint parasites time off and then paying them for sitting around the pool all day.

The ones we don't fire, we shouldn't pay either.

What's it tell you when Wall St LOVES that government is shut down? Simple, that Goobermint IS the problem. People who bet with their money know where the problem lies -- It is goobermint.

 

[Care4all]

How long can the shutdown last? A month? Two months?

We have two entrenched/obstinate political parties, neither willing to compromise.

The military and other "essential workers" get screwed by having their paychecks held up, but their bills aren't.

Here is one possibility:
1. Sen. Thune re-writes the senate rules for shutdowns, that if a shutdown lasts longer than 14-days, a clean CR can be passed by a simple majority.

2. If that CR expires, appropriations bills can also be passed with a simple majority.

The United States of America should not be held hostage by either political party. The senate majority, with the VP breaking ties, should be able to pass a budget.

If it were a clean CR of last year, what we ran the govt on last year, I think Democrats would sign it.

But it is not. This CR is not a CR from last year, this CR they are offering includes all the cuts to American's healthcare, ACA, MEDICAID, and Medicare, that Republicans had just made in a new spending bill, the big beautiful (ugly) bill they passed a couple of months ago for the 2026 budget beginning Oct 1.

 

[kyzr]

That's what you are not getting, you appear to believe that the rule change you want is a good thing and can be limited.
But once the precedent is set, the DEMs will use the same tactic when they are in power to pass their bills.

Government needs to function. The senate can pass specific rules for specific items and not just delete the filibuster.
Harry Reid used it to pass appointments, 51 votes instead of 60. I think 51 votes should be used for passing appropriations bills, but still need 60 votes for "major legislation".

Remember the GOP has a razor thin margin in both the Senate and the House. Trump barely won the vote of the people and that was only because Biden screwed the pooch and tried to run for a second term. If Biden has committed to being a one term President and the DEMs had a proper primary season (a) Harris wouldn't have been the nominee, and (b) Trump wouldn't have won. WW

1. Who would have won? I call bullshit. The US was not happy with democrat rule, hence their toxic 19% approval, and 75% wrong-track number.

2. The razor thin margin in the House was caused by the open borders, letting 12,000,000 illegals in, and then illegally counting them in the 2020 census giving democrats 24 extra House seats.

 

[kyzr]

If it were a clean CR of last year, what we ran the govt on last year, I think Democrats would sign it.
But it is not. This CR is not a CR from last year, this CR they are offering includes all the cuts to American's healthcare, ACA, MEDICAID, and Medicare, that Republicans had just made in a new spending bill, the big beautiful (ugly) bill they passed a couple of months ago for the 2026 budget beginning Oct 1.

OK, but Mike Johnson said it was a "clean CR".

Debunking the Democrats’ Shutdown Delusion

mikejohnson.house.gov

Washington, September 29, 2025
WASHINGTON — Republicans have acted responsibly by advancing a clean, nonpartisan 24-page continuing resolution that keeps funding at current levels through November 21 with no partisan policy riders. It averts a government shutdown and ensures essential services and benefits continue uninterrupted for the American people.

 

[kyzr]

And NO Back-Pay.
None. **** this shit of giving goobermint parasites time off and then paying them for sitting around the pool all day.
The ones we don't fire, we shouldn't pay either.
What's it tell you when Wall St LOVES that government is shut down? Simple, that Goobermint IS the problem. People who bet with their money know where the problem lies -- It is goobermint.

I think we can agree that shutdowns should never happen.
My solution is for a simple majority to pass appropriations bills.