CDZ A very simple question

[Daryl Hunt]

Your "Liberal" use of the term "Socialist" tells me loads about your beliefs. And you ARE extreme and are NOT a conservative. It goes back to the way that one group tried to label President Eisenhower as a Socialist because he tried to help the poor and other people that were getting a raw deal. You can call yourself anything you want but I see you as a Bircher who has no place in the Republican Party that you have hijacked.

The Far left is socialist to the core..............and their policy statements back that up..........Free shit to the moon without a clue on how to pay for it............It is IMPOSSIBLE..........and done only to get support from the Far Left Base which they need in the primaries............about 25% of them are there.........but that discounts the Super Delegates who will decide the candidate..............

Your statement to me that I'm not conservative is just an opinion...........In fact if I had my way I'd go back to the core of the Constitution and put the Gov't on a leash...........And reinstate the Enumerated Powers..........which would place me more a Libertarian now wouldn't it............

Personal Freedom be damned with the Far Left ..........They go......Do what we say or ELSE.........I CHOOSE ELSE...........if that bothers you I really don't care......or EMPATHIZE WITH YOU.

Or you'll do what, call me a Socialist? I guess most of us in here are Far Left to you. Well, I am far left of a homicidal axe wielding mass murderer so go ahead, call me a leftist. But since you keep tossing the "Socialist" term around, that still goes back to 1958. And it's a dead giveaway. Most of the "So Called" Leftists in here are actually moderates who are "Left" of you. In fact, there are many moderate Conservatives that also fit that definition. You keep screaming the same battle cry over and over. Sounds to me like you are throwing a tantrum because you can't get it all your own way. And that is the reason the extreme Right and the Extreme Left keep doing the same blamed thing over and over. So, it's up to the rest of us to tell you that you aren't going to have it just your way no matter how extreme you are. It's up to the rest of us to put America back together. You broke it but it's up to use to pay for it.

If the shoe fits wear it..............If it doesn't then don't wear it.............

I said the Dem has been taken over by the Socialist Left........if you are not part of the Far Left then it was not directed at you................

You look at the Dem Debates.............It is Socialism and Free Shit on Steroids to get votes from the Far Left Base and you know it.............It was who can be the Best for the Far Left voters..........Of course after the election they will forget about it ...........LOL

But to have a chance at winning the primaries...........they have to play the Socialist dance and they know it. The Dems have lost a lot of voters because of the Far Left and this Impeachment Insanity...........You are losing the Unions too.............and even the Black vote is taking a hit...............But your side still doesn't get it.............

So continue pandering to them............it only lessens your sides chance at winning.

So you listen to just Bernie and Warren and don't hear the others that are left on the stage. Did it ever occur to you that the ones left on the stage, out of the 6, only those two are far left? Did you listen to the others at all or does it get in the way of your rant. The chances of Bernie and Warren getting the nod are almost zero so I suggest you start listening to the other 4. But you don't listen, you only repeat what the right wing media tells you that was said. Hey, I listen to Trump when he speaks. Or when he tweets. Or when he...... I don't take anyone elses word for anything. It's called being informed.

I only care about the ones capable of winning it..............and I called out Bernie and the Fake Indian for trying to out Socialist each other...........

Gabbard is not part of the establishment.......while I don't agree with a lot of her policies she would have been the best choice........as she would run on a Anti War platform...........and I have no doubt that she would withdraw our troops from the middle east if she won.

But she will not play the establishment game..............and so she is toast..........If you wanted a chance to win I'd say she would be the one because of the Anti War feelings in this country...............

But the Dem primaries are rigged......the Super Delegates will choose the Establishment player who will do their bidding.

So I do pay attention...........but only really care at about the ones most likely to win.

I like Gabbard but she doesn't really stand a chance. And exactly who do you believe will the "Establishment" choose to represent that immoral Democratic Side come November? If it's not Bernie of Warren, who would it be? I certainly won't be Mayor Pete. Drop the name. You know, the one that Trump fears the most. It's okay to call a talk show and ask them.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Far left is socialist to the core..............and their policy statements back that up..........Free shit to the moon without a clue on how to pay for it............It is IMPOSSIBLE..........and done only to get support from the Far Left Base which they need in the primaries............about 25% of them are there.........but that discounts the Super Delegates who will decide the candidate..............

Your statement to me that I'm not conservative is just an opinion...........In fact if I had my way I'd go back to the core of the Constitution and put the Gov't on a leash...........And reinstate the Enumerated Powers..........which would place me more a Libertarian now wouldn't it............

Personal Freedom be damned with the Far Left ..........They go......Do what we say or ELSE.........I CHOOSE ELSE...........if that bothers you I really don't care......or EMPATHIZE WITH YOU.

Or you'll do what, call me a Socialist? I guess most of us in here are Far Left to you. Well, I am far left of a homicidal axe wielding mass murderer so go ahead, call me a leftist. But since you keep tossing the "Socialist" term around, that still goes back to 1958. And it's a dead giveaway. Most of the "So Called" Leftists in here are actually moderates who are "Left" of you. In fact, there are many moderate Conservatives that also fit that definition. You keep screaming the same battle cry over and over. Sounds to me like you are throwing a tantrum because you can't get it all your own way. And that is the reason the extreme Right and the Extreme Left keep doing the same blamed thing over and over. So, it's up to the rest of us to tell you that you aren't going to have it just your way no matter how extreme you are. It's up to the rest of us to put America back together. You broke it but it's up to use to pay for it.

If the shoe fits wear it..............If it doesn't then don't wear it.............

I said the Dem has been taken over by the Socialist Left........if you are not part of the Far Left then it was not directed at you................

You look at the Dem Debates.............It is Socialism and Free Shit on Steroids to get votes from the Far Left Base and you know it.............It was who can be the Best for the Far Left voters..........Of course after the election they will forget about it ...........LOL

But to have a chance at winning the primaries...........they have to play the Socialist dance and they know it. The Dems have lost a lot of voters because of the Far Left and this Impeachment Insanity...........You are losing the Unions too.............and even the Black vote is taking a hit...............But your side still doesn't get it.............

So continue pandering to them............it only lessens your sides chance at winning.

So you listen to just Bernie and Warren and don't hear the others that are left on the stage. Did it ever occur to you that the ones left on the stage, out of the 6, only those two are far left? Did you listen to the others at all or does it get in the way of your rant. The chances of Bernie and Warren getting the nod are almost zero so I suggest you start listening to the other 4. But you don't listen, you only repeat what the right wing media tells you that was said. Hey, I listen to Trump when he speaks. Or when he tweets. Or when he...... I don't take anyone elses word for anything. It's called being informed.

I only care about the ones capable of winning it..............and I called out Bernie and the Fake Indian for trying to out Socialist each other...........

Gabbard is not part of the establishment.......while I don't agree with a lot of her policies she would have been the best choice........as she would run on a Anti War platform...........and I have no doubt that she would withdraw our troops from the middle east if she won.

But she will not play the establishment game..............and so she is toast..........If you wanted a chance to win I'd say she would be the one because of the Anti War feelings in this country...............

But the Dem primaries are rigged......the Super Delegates will choose the Establishment player who will do their bidding.

So I do pay attention...........but only really care at about the ones most likely to win.

I like Gabbard but she doesn't really stand a chance. And exactly who do you believe will the "Establishment" choose to represent that immoral Democratic Side come November? If it's not Bernie of Warren, who would it be? I certainly won't be Mayor Pete. Drop the name. You know, the one that Trump fears the most. It's okay to call a talk show and ask them.

They want Biden.........or Warren.........but the Super Delegates will choose Biden and your vote will be meaningless.............LOL

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Or you'll do what, call me a Socialist? I guess most of us in here are Far Left to you. Well, I am far left of a homicidal axe wielding mass murderer so go ahead, call me a leftist. But since you keep tossing the "Socialist" term around, that still goes back to 1958. And it's a dead giveaway. Most of the "So Called" Leftists in here are actually moderates who are "Left" of you. In fact, there are many moderate Conservatives that also fit that definition. You keep screaming the same battle cry over and over. Sounds to me like you are throwing a tantrum because you can't get it all your own way. And that is the reason the extreme Right and the Extreme Left keep doing the same blamed thing over and over. So, it's up to the rest of us to tell you that you aren't going to have it just your way no matter how extreme you are. It's up to the rest of us to put America back together. You broke it but it's up to use to pay for it.

If the shoe fits wear it..............If it doesn't then don't wear it.............

I said the Dem has been taken over by the Socialist Left........if you are not part of the Far Left then it was not directed at you................

You look at the Dem Debates.............It is Socialism and Free Shit on Steroids to get votes from the Far Left Base and you know it.............It was who can be the Best for the Far Left voters..........Of course after the election they will forget about it ...........LOL

But to have a chance at winning the primaries...........they have to play the Socialist dance and they know it. The Dems have lost a lot of voters because of the Far Left and this Impeachment Insanity...........You are losing the Unions too.............and even the Black vote is taking a hit...............But your side still doesn't get it.............

So continue pandering to them............it only lessens your sides chance at winning.

So you listen to just Bernie and Warren and don't hear the others that are left on the stage. Did it ever occur to you that the ones left on the stage, out of the 6, only those two are far left? Did you listen to the others at all or does it get in the way of your rant. The chances of Bernie and Warren getting the nod are almost zero so I suggest you start listening to the other 4. But you don't listen, you only repeat what the right wing media tells you that was said. Hey, I listen to Trump when he speaks. Or when he tweets. Or when he...... I don't take anyone elses word for anything. It's called being informed.

I only care about the ones capable of winning it..............and I called out Bernie and the Fake Indian for trying to out Socialist each other...........

Gabbard is not part of the establishment.......while I don't agree with a lot of her policies she would have been the best choice........as she would run on a Anti War platform...........and I have no doubt that she would withdraw our troops from the middle east if she won.

But she will not play the establishment game..............and so she is toast..........If you wanted a chance to win I'd say she would be the one because of the Anti War feelings in this country...............

But the Dem primaries are rigged......the Super Delegates will choose the Establishment player who will do their bidding.

So I do pay attention...........but only really care at about the ones most likely to win.

I like Gabbard but she doesn't really stand a chance. And exactly who do you believe will the "Establishment" choose to represent that immoral Democratic Side come November? If it's not Bernie of Warren, who would it be? I certainly won't be Mayor Pete. Drop the name. You know, the one that Trump fears the most. It's okay to call a talk show and ask them.

They want Biden.........or Warren.........but the Super Delegates will choose Biden and your vote will be meaningless.............LOL

They don't want Warren. Yes, they want Biden. And Trump knows this. Trump also knows that he could defeat Warren who is too far left but Biden is a moderate and is going to be a killer in the one on one debates. This is why your bunch has spent so much effort in discrediting him. I once predicted that it wasn't going to be Biden but it looks like I got it wrong. Now it depends more on his pick for VP. There are some really good and some really bad choices. We'll see how it plays out. But I could be wrong this time around and it could be Mayor Pete that wins and my original prophecy would be correct. But the Dem Nominee is a crap shoot right now. But it won't be a far left in the #1 slot.

Scares the beegesus out of you don't it that the front runner is has the most support of the Democrat Voter so it may all end up okay. As for voting, we go into the primaries in a couple of months and I already know that Biden has the best support in my state for all the Democratic Candidates.

What is sad, there won't be a Republican Primary because the "Powers that Be" decided that the Republican Voters can't be trusted.

 

[eagle1462010]

If the shoe fits wear it..............If it doesn't then don't wear it.............

I said the Dem has been taken over by the Socialist Left........if you are not part of the Far Left then it was not directed at you................

You look at the Dem Debates.............It is Socialism and Free Shit on Steroids to get votes from the Far Left Base and you know it.............It was who can be the Best for the Far Left voters..........Of course after the election they will forget about it ...........LOL

But to have a chance at winning the primaries...........they have to play the Socialist dance and they know it. The Dems have lost a lot of voters because of the Far Left and this Impeachment Insanity...........You are losing the Unions too.............and even the Black vote is taking a hit...............But your side still doesn't get it.............

So continue pandering to them............it only lessens your sides chance at winning.

So you listen to just Bernie and Warren and don't hear the others that are left on the stage. Did it ever occur to you that the ones left on the stage, out of the 6, only those two are far left? Did you listen to the others at all or does it get in the way of your rant. The chances of Bernie and Warren getting the nod are almost zero so I suggest you start listening to the other 4. But you don't listen, you only repeat what the right wing media tells you that was said. Hey, I listen to Trump when he speaks. Or when he tweets. Or when he...... I don't take anyone elses word for anything. It's called being informed.

I only care about the ones capable of winning it..............and I called out Bernie and the Fake Indian for trying to out Socialist each other...........

Gabbard is not part of the establishment.......while I don't agree with a lot of her policies she would have been the best choice........as she would run on a Anti War platform...........and I have no doubt that she would withdraw our troops from the middle east if she won.

But she will not play the establishment game..............and so she is toast..........If you wanted a chance to win I'd say she would be the one because of the Anti War feelings in this country...............

But the Dem primaries are rigged......the Super Delegates will choose the Establishment player who will do their bidding.

So I do pay attention...........but only really care at about the ones most likely to win.

I like Gabbard but she doesn't really stand a chance. And exactly who do you believe will the "Establishment" choose to represent that immoral Democratic Side come November? If it's not Bernie of Warren, who would it be? I certainly won't be Mayor Pete. Drop the name. You know, the one that Trump fears the most. It's okay to call a talk show and ask them.

They want Biden.........or Warren.........but the Super Delegates will choose Biden and your vote will be meaningless.............LOL

They don't want Warren. Yes, they want Biden. And Trump knows this. Trump also knows that he could defeat Warren who is too far left but Biden is a moderate and is going to be a killer in the one on one debates. This is why your bunch has spent so much effort in discrediting him. I once predicted that it wasn't going to be Biden but it looks like I got it wrong. Now it depends more on his pick for VP. There are some really good and some really bad choices. We'll see how it plays out. But I could be wrong this time around and it could be Mayor Pete that wins and my original prophecy would be correct. But the Dem Nominee is a crap shoot right now. But it won't be a far left in the #1 slot.

Scares the beegesus out of you don't it that the front runner is has the most support of the Democrat Voter so it may all end up okay. As for voting, we go into the primaries in a couple of months and I already know that Biden has the best support in my state for all the Democratic Candidates.

What is sad, there won't be a Republican Primary because the "Powers that Be" decided that the Republican Voters can't be trusted.

lol...............We aren't scared of Biden...............Plenty of ammunition against him........Not as much as Hillary but enough.......................

You wouldn't have that with Gabbard................but she isn't establishment so she's done.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

So you listen to just Bernie and Warren and don't hear the others that are left on the stage. Did it ever occur to you that the ones left on the stage, out of the 6, only those two are far left? Did you listen to the others at all or does it get in the way of your rant. The chances of Bernie and Warren getting the nod are almost zero so I suggest you start listening to the other 4. But you don't listen, you only repeat what the right wing media tells you that was said. Hey, I listen to Trump when he speaks. Or when he tweets. Or when he...... I don't take anyone elses word for anything. It's called being informed.

I only care about the ones capable of winning it..............and I called out Bernie and the Fake Indian for trying to out Socialist each other...........

Gabbard is not part of the establishment.......while I don't agree with a lot of her policies she would have been the best choice........as she would run on a Anti War platform...........and I have no doubt that she would withdraw our troops from the middle east if she won.

But she will not play the establishment game..............and so she is toast..........If you wanted a chance to win I'd say she would be the one because of the Anti War feelings in this country...............

But the Dem primaries are rigged......the Super Delegates will choose the Establishment player who will do their bidding.

So I do pay attention...........but only really care at about the ones most likely to win.

I like Gabbard but she doesn't really stand a chance. And exactly who do you believe will the "Establishment" choose to represent that immoral Democratic Side come November? If it's not Bernie of Warren, who would it be? I certainly won't be Mayor Pete. Drop the name. You know, the one that Trump fears the most. It's okay to call a talk show and ask them.

They want Biden.........or Warren.........but the Super Delegates will choose Biden and your vote will be meaningless.............LOL

They don't want Warren. Yes, they want Biden. And Trump knows this. Trump also knows that he could defeat Warren who is too far left but Biden is a moderate and is going to be a killer in the one on one debates. This is why your bunch has spent so much effort in discrediting him. I once predicted that it wasn't going to be Biden but it looks like I got it wrong. Now it depends more on his pick for VP. There are some really good and some really bad choices. We'll see how it plays out. But I could be wrong this time around and it could be Mayor Pete that wins and my original prophecy would be correct. But the Dem Nominee is a crap shoot right now. But it won't be a far left in the #1 slot.

Scares the beegesus out of you don't it that the front runner is has the most support of the Democrat Voter so it may all end up okay. As for voting, we go into the primaries in a couple of months and I already know that Biden has the best support in my state for all the Democratic Candidates.

What is sad, there won't be a Republican Primary because the "Powers that Be" decided that the Republican Voters can't be trusted.

lol...............We aren't scared of Biden...............Plenty of ammunition against him........Not as much as Hillary but enough.......................

You wouldn't have that with Gabbard................but she isn't establishment so she's done.

It's been nice discussing it with you. You have a nice day, you hear.

 

[flacaltenn]

Sorry man.. It's depressing.. At least I don't have to worry about being their "co-dependent" anymore...

I refuse to empathize with them...

So for both of you: Would you say that your goal is to beat the other side so that you have control over where things go from there?

And if so, do you think that's an plausible long-term plan?
.

"beat the other side"?? Hell no.. I'm not a racist or a misogynist or gay phobic... I'm supportive of their RATIONAL goals... But every grievance now has a pre-set list of qualifiers that ALLOW you into their defense team.. And without enough "grievance points" of YOUR OWN -- you're likely to be expelled from marching arm in arm with them to GET their demands heard...

How many marches have you heard about today that were canceled or boycotted because they were "too white" or not "gay enough"?? Kinda thing..

PARTICIPATION in Civil Rights causes today is FAR MORE complex than it used to be...

So what I DO -- is write white papers for mostly libertarian candidates to use citing DETAILED SOLUTIONS to problems like race and economic injustice and just skip the "empathy" part...

I want to deal with PROBLEM SOLVERS and innovators.. Not dogmatic partisan whores posing as "gate-keepers" to movements...

Probably a lot like you dude...

 

[flacaltenn]

Sorry man.. It's depressing.. At least I don't have to worry about being their "co-dependent" anymore...

I refuse to empathize with them...

So for both of you: Would you say that your goal is to beat the other side so that you have control over where things go from there?

And if so, do you think that's an plausible long-term plan?
.

I wasn't asked but beating the agenda of the Far Left is absolutely the plan. They want to shove their agenda down America's throats and they control the leading candidates except Biden in the next election. In the primaries the competition is to appease the Far left base which may compose now 25% of the Dem party. They have gone so far to the left that they can not be negotiated with anymore. The Blue Dogs are basically gone and the Dem has gone so far left that Dems are leaving the party.

You always say that it's BOTH WINGS doing this..........but when challenged time and time again on the comparison to the So Called Far Right you can't do it. Show me the same levels of Radicalism of the Right compared to the left............YOU CAN'T DO IT.........And you KNOW IT.

I could go all day long with examples of the left doing crazy and violent BS.........CAN YOU.....You do not want to go there because you WOULD LOSE.

And that's part of my problem having any empathy anymore.. Its BECOME too politicized.. It's NOT about the larger Civil Liberties and freedoms that we all used to hold dear and in common...

So if you're not looking DEEP ENOUGH at the problems and grievances, you might just decide to GIVE UP and ACKNOWLEDGE it's just a symptom of the Great Partisan Rift that's tearing my country apart...

 

[Mac1958]

Sorry man.. It's depressing.. At least I don't have to worry about being their "co-dependent" anymore...

I refuse to empathize with them...

So for both of you: Would you say that your goal is to beat the other side so that you have control over where things go from there?

And if so, do you think that's an plausible long-term plan?
.

"beat the other side"?? Hell no.. I'm not a racist or a misogynist or gay phobic... I'm supportive of their RATIONAL goals... But every grievance now has a pre-set list of qualifiers that ALLOW you into their defense team.. And without enough "grievance points" of YOUR OWN -- you're likely to be expelled from marching arm in arm with them to GET their demands heard...

How many marches have you heard about today that were canceled or boycotted because they were "too white" or not "gay enough"?? Kinda thing..

PARTICIPATION in Civil Rights causes today is FAR MORE complex than it used to be...

So what I DO -- is write white papers for mostly libertarian candidates to use citing DETAILED SOLUTIONS to problems like race and economic injustice and just skip the "empathy" part...

I want to deal with PROBLEM SOLVERS and innovators.. Not dogmatic partisan whores posing as "gate-keepers" to movements...

Probably a lot like you dude...

"Detailed solutions to problems....."?

Holy crap. I'm serious here - do you even find that there is much of a market for such a thing? I find that right now, any original idea that doesn't neatly and simply fit into a pre-existing box is summarily tossed out whole, even if it may include some perfectly usable pieces. If it isn't already approved as is, dump it.

I see precious little appetite for original thinking or innovation right now, perhaps because it might require the slightest bit of communication and collaboration with someone who may dare to disagree with something. That's just too damn tough for us in this decayed state.
.

 

[beautress]

I could never empathize with a serial killer, a person who killed another human being with a plan and execution, a necrophiliac, date rapists, a person or group of people who bear false witness in court, a guilty person who let an innocent person take the rap for his heinous crime, chiselers, an embezzler, schemes to take an elderly person's property and money away from him because they could, a person or group who poisons another person, group, village, or an entire ethnic population, suicide bombers, those who use calumny to eradicate a political rival, people who pervert the constitution to get even with a political adversary, sexual abusers of children, elder abuse practitioners, streakers, people who steal intellectual property from starving artists in music, sculpture, fine art, theater arts, poetry, and in particular, people who cause a nation to pay for their political attacks on someone who did not do anything they were accused of, and people who are ninnyhammering character assassins who stalk people who won a political election or point of argument, vengeance seekers, and people who break promises.

 

[flacaltenn]

Sorry man.. It's depressing.. At least I don't have to worry about being their "co-dependent" anymore...

I refuse to empathize with them...

So for both of you: Would you say that your goal is to beat the other side so that you have control over where things go from there?

And if so, do you think that's an plausible long-term plan?
.

"beat the other side"?? Hell no.. I'm not a racist or a misogynist or gay phobic... I'm supportive of their RATIONAL goals... But every grievance now has a pre-set list of qualifiers that ALLOW you into their defense team.. And without enough "grievance points" of YOUR OWN -- you're likely to be expelled from marching arm in arm with them to GET their demands heard...

How many marches have you heard about today that were canceled or boycotted because they were "too white" or not "gay enough"?? Kinda thing..

PARTICIPATION in Civil Rights causes today is FAR MORE complex than it used to be...

So what I DO -- is write white papers for mostly libertarian candidates to use citing DETAILED SOLUTIONS to problems like race and economic injustice and just skip the "empathy" part...

I want to deal with PROBLEM SOLVERS and innovators.. Not dogmatic partisan whores posing as "gate-keepers" to movements...

Probably a lot like you dude...

"Detailed solutions to problems....."?

Holy crap. I'm serious here - do you even find that there is much of a market for such a thing? I find that right now, any original idea that doesn't neatly and simply fit into a pre-existing box is summarily tossed out whole, even if it may include some perfectly usable pieces. If it isn't already approved as is, dump it.

I see precious little appetite for original thinking or innovation right now, perhaps because it might require the slightest bit of communication and collaboration with someone who may dare to disagree with something. That's just too damn tough for us in this decayed state.
.

All I can say is that it's not illegal YET to be thinking independently and focused on solving issues and grievances.. LOL...

Folks are gonna tire of this reality series gone bad pretty soon.. Here's a truth...

The whole "group rights" civil rights grievances are just a subset of Civil Liberties and justice.. You can't go about making special solutions for each group and each demographic... Once you "FEEL" for a cause, you should go to the ROOTS of the cause... And I've pretty much figured out that if you save the ROOTS -- then the whole damn tree starts to get healthier...

Might take some "populism" or "grass roots" to make empathy valuable again... "Non-symmetrical" political warfare if you will.. Let the political extremists burn themselves out so that altruistic people can get about fixing things....

That happens when we stop allowing "politically expedient" solutions to homelessness or immigration or mental illness or lousy education...

 

[Mac1958]

Sorry man.. It's depressing.. At least I don't have to worry about being their "co-dependent" anymore...

I refuse to empathize with them...

So for both of you: Would you say that your goal is to beat the other side so that you have control over where things go from there?

And if so, do you think that's an plausible long-term plan?
.

"beat the other side"?? Hell no.. I'm not a racist or a misogynist or gay phobic... I'm supportive of their RATIONAL goals... But every grievance now has a pre-set list of qualifiers that ALLOW you into their defense team.. And without enough "grievance points" of YOUR OWN -- you're likely to be expelled from marching arm in arm with them to GET their demands heard...

How many marches have you heard about today that were canceled or boycotted because they were "too white" or not "gay enough"?? Kinda thing..

PARTICIPATION in Civil Rights causes today is FAR MORE complex than it used to be...

So what I DO -- is write white papers for mostly libertarian candidates to use citing DETAILED SOLUTIONS to problems like race and economic injustice and just skip the "empathy" part...

I want to deal with PROBLEM SOLVERS and innovators.. Not dogmatic partisan whores posing as "gate-keepers" to movements...

Probably a lot like you dude...

"Detailed solutions to problems....."?

Holy crap. I'm serious here - do you even find that there is much of a market for such a thing? I find that right now, any original idea that doesn't neatly and simply fit into a pre-existing box is summarily tossed out whole, even if it may include some perfectly usable pieces. If it isn't already approved as is, dump it.

I see precious little appetite for original thinking or innovation right now, perhaps because it might require the slightest bit of communication and collaboration with someone who may dare to disagree with something. That's just too damn tough for us in this decayed state.
.

All I can say is that it's illegal YET to be thinking independently and focused on solving issues and grievances.. LOL...

Folks are gonna tire of this reality series gone bad pretty soon.. Here's a truth...

The whole "group rights" civil rights grievances are just a subset of Civil Liberties and justice.. You can't go about making special solutions for each group and each demographic... Once you "FEEL" for a cause, you should go to the ROOTS of the cause... And I've pretty much figured out that if you save the ROOTS -- then the whole damn tree starts to get healthier...

Might take some "populism" or "grass roots" to make empathy valuable again... "Non-symmetrical" political warfare if you will.. Let the political extremists burn themselves out so that altruistic people can get about fixing things....

That happens when we stop allowing "politically expedient" solutions to homelessness or immigration or mental illness or lousy education...

You may be more positive about this than I am. It's just difficult for me to see us turning around at this point. I hope you're right. Two thoughts:

First, this behavior has gone beyond goofy professional wresting status and appears to now be ingrained in the national subconscious. It may be that the qualities that motivate us to behave and function as a part of a dynamic, collaborative, innovative republic are like intellectual muscles -- use them or lose them. If they are indeed gone, if we've lost our dynamism, we're fu..., uh, screwed. (CDZ!)

Second, a client said something on this topic a few years ago that stuck with me: "People won't get interested until they're hungry". In other words, as long as things are good enough, the people aren't going to pay attention enough, or care enough, to really work to do something profound to change things on a populist or grass roots level. We'll just be happy enough to go along with stuff, as is.

But, as I said, I hope you're right.
.

 

[Gdjjr]

Begets begets- no matter the arena. Empathy like respect must be given in order to receive. Respect must be given in order to receive. The difference being, giving respect achieves self respect. Self respect will reward itself. One must act with respect in order to earn respect. Making another fear a consequence is using coercion or fear to achieve a false sense of self. It's a self fulfilling agenda that ends badly for all involved.
It's said that it is better to give than to receive.

As for achieving "greatness", that is highly subjective. It has no bearing on the OT. Letting someone else, or a society, define something/anything for you is not really great- it is deferring to another that which is rightfully yours to define. You absolutely have the right to choose to be empathetic or respectful but that doesn't entitle you to tell others what you think they should do in order to achieve what you consider acceptable and expect them to accept it just because you said so. Example is the best teacher, so, if one considers himself great he should act the part and show empathy to those who may or may not achieve what you the great have achieved.

True leadership is for the benefit of the follower not the enrichment of the leader.

 

[flacaltenn]

You may be more positive about this than I am. It's just difficult for me to see us turning around at this point. I hope you're right. Two thoughts:

I am pretty positive about circumnavigating the political excrement storm.. Because I have a support group.. I'm doing fairly innovative things with folks that have a 40 year history of innovative thinking.. That would be the "intellectual arm" of libertarianism... Not the badly conceived, often poorly executed, political arm of the LParty..

Folks at Reason Foundation, Cato Institute, Institute for Justice and the people who craft solutions that can be used by ANY Independent candidate for office..

First, this behavior has gone beyond goofy professional wresting status and appears to now be ingrained in the national subconscious. It may be that the qualities that motivate us to behave and function as a part of a dynamic, collaborative, innovative republic are like intellectual muscles -- use them or lose them. If they are indeed gone, if we've lost our dynamism, we're fu..., uh, screwed. (CDZ!)

You stole one of my favorite lectures... About atrophying intellectual muscles.. I used to use this a lot when I was a Californian.. Because of the stupid initiative process and because when you go out to exercise or walk into any building, you'd be greeted with a spazzy collection of "warning" signs that had been legislated for posting.. They left not a single case where your JUDGEMENT muscles would be used.. And most of all them ignored even if YOUR LIFE might be at risk...

So all that "collective judgement" has affected the "survival of the fittest" when judgement muscles are some kind of primitive archaic mental baggage.... Something only lower forms of animals need.. LOL....

I think IDENTIFYING and identity politics have reduced the need to UNDERSTAND the basics of rot in our social and political processes.. Positions are staked out on problems according to your identity, not according to any prolonged PERSONAL attempt to understand the issue.. And that identity bundle is now multi-dimensional... THere's a term for qualifying as a victim by the priority of all your identities.. Even a name for it in the "grievance industry".. It's called intersectionality.. Meaning that if you drew a Venn diagram (those geometric bubble charts showing overlapping commonalities between a set of entities) --- the more OVERLAPS you have for bias and non-equality of income or social status, the more your opinions and "solutions" are valued...

Problem is -- as unstable as this this would WITHOUT emphasizing POLITICAL identity -- it becomes toxic and argumentative when your political identity gets more credit than your other identities...

So when you start looking for "victims" to emphasize with -- the "power ball multiplier" of party identity, makes that Venn diagram warp into two armed camps... Armed with the power to punish and hobble their "opposition"...

It's time to get rid of that polarizing and potentially dangerous power in the hands of just TWO CHOICES...

Then we can get back to empathizing and solving problems....

 

[Mac1958]

You may be more positive about this than I am. It's just difficult for me to see us turning around at this point. I hope you're right. Two thoughts:

I am pretty positive about circumnavigating the political excrement storm.. Because I have a support group.. I'm doing fairly innovative things with folks that have a 40 year history of innovative thinking.. That would be the "intellectual arm" of libertarianism... Not the badly conceived, often poorly executed, political arm of the LParty..

Folks at Reason Foundation, Cato Institute, Institute for Justice and the people who craft solutions that can be used by ANY Independent candidate for office..

First, this behavior has gone beyond goofy professional wresting status and appears to now be ingrained in the national subconscious. It may be that the qualities that motivate us to behave and function as a part of a dynamic, collaborative, innovative republic are like intellectual muscles -- use them or lose them. If they are indeed gone, if we've lost our dynamism, we're fu..., uh, screwed. (CDZ!)

You stole one of my favorite lectures... About atrophying intellectual muscles.. I used to use this a lot when I was a Californian.. Because of the stupid initiative process and because when you go out to exercise or walk into any building, you'd be greeted with a spazzy collection of "warning" signs that had been legislated for posting.. They left not a single case where your JUDGEMENT muscles would be used.. And most of all them ignored even if YOUR LIFE might be at risk...

So all that "collective judgement" has affected the "survival of the fittest" when judgement muscles are some kind of primitive archaic mental baggage.... Something only lower forms of animals need.. LOL....

I think IDENTIFYING and identity politics have reduced the need to UNDERSTAND the basics of rot in our social and political processes.. Positions are staked out on problems according to your identity, not according to any prolonged attempt to understand the issue.. And that identity bundle is now multi-dimensional... THere's a term for qualifying as a victim by the priority of all your identities.. Even a name for it in the "grievance industry".. It's called intersectionality.. Meaning that if you drew a Venn diagram (those geometric bubble charts showing overlapping commonalities between a set of entities) --- the more OVERLAPS you have, the more your opinions and "solutions" are valued...

Problem is -- as unstable as this this would WITHOUT emphasizing POLITICAL identity -- it becomes toxic and argumentative when your political identity gets more credit than your other identities...

So when you start looking for "victims" to emphasize with -- the "power ball multiplier" of party identity, makes that Venn diagram warped into two armed camps... Armed with the power to punish and hobble their "opposition"...

It's time to get rid of that polarizing and potentially dangerous power in the hands of just TWO CHOICES...

Then we can get back to empathizing and solving problems....

I definitely think that the political duopoly is contributing to the problem, and that a strong and viable third party would not only provide another option, but would (at least theoretically) also serve to stop the other two from spinning away into Never Never Land as they have. I could probably come up with a few more benefits, come to think of it.
.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And without enough "grievance points" of YOUR OWN -- you're likely to be expelled from marching arm in arm with them to GET their demands heard...

Such bullshit...you've tried? Been expelled? Come on. I've watched the opposite of that over and over

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You may be more positive about this than I am. It's just difficult for me to see us turning around at this point. I hope you're right. Two thoughts:

I am pretty positive about circumnavigating the political excrement storm.. Because I have a support group.. I'm doing fairly innovative things with folks that have a 40 year history of innovative thinking.. That would be the "intellectual arm" of libertarianism... Not the badly conceived, often poorly executed, political arm of the LParty..

Folks at Reason Foundation, Cato Institute, Institute for Justice and the people who craft solutions that can be used by ANY Independent candidate for office..

First, this behavior has gone beyond goofy professional wresting status and appears to now be ingrained in the national subconscious. It may be that the qualities that motivate us to behave and function as a part of a dynamic, collaborative, innovative republic are like intellectual muscles -- use them or lose them. If they are indeed gone, if we've lost our dynamism, we're fu..., uh, screwed. (CDZ!)

You stole one of my favorite lectures... About atrophying intellectual muscles.. I used to use this a lot when I was a Californian.. Because of the stupid initiative process and because when you go out to exercise or walk into any building, you'd be greeted with a spazzy collection of "warning" signs that had been legislated for posting.. They left not a single case where your JUDGEMENT muscles would be used.. And most of all them ignored even if YOUR LIFE might be at risk...

So all that "collective judgement" has affected the "survival of the fittest" when judgement muscles are some kind of primitive archaic mental baggage.... Something only lower forms of animals need.. LOL....

I think IDENTIFYING and identity politics have reduced the need to UNDERSTAND the basics of rot in our social and political processes.. Positions are staked out on problems according to your identity, not according to any prolonged attempt to understand the issue.. And that identity bundle is now multi-dimensional... THere's a term for qualifying as a victim by the priority of all your identities.. Even a name for it in the "grievance industry".. It's called intersectionality.. Meaning that if you drew a Venn diagram (those geometric bubble charts showing overlapping commonalities between a set of entities) --- the more OVERLAPS you have, the more your opinions and "solutions" are valued...

Problem is -- as unstable as this this would WITHOUT emphasizing POLITICAL identity -- it becomes toxic and argumentative when your political identity gets more credit than your other identities...

So when you start looking for "victims" to emphasize with -- the "power ball multiplier" of party identity, makes that Venn diagram warped into two armed camps... Armed with the power to punish and hobble their "opposition"...

It's time to get rid of that polarizing and potentially dangerous power in the hands of just TWO CHOICES...

Then we can get back to empathizing and solving problems....

I definitely think that the political duopoly is contributing to the problem, and that a strong and viable third party would not only provide another option, but would (at least theoretically) also serve to stop the other two from spinning away into Never Never Land as they have. I could probably come up with a few more benefits, come to think of it.
.

Which will never, ever happen, if campaign finance laws stay as they are.

 

[flacaltenn]

You may be more positive about this than I am. It's just difficult for me to see us turning around at this point. I hope you're right. Two thoughts:

I am pretty positive about circumnavigating the political excrement storm.. Because I have a support group.. I'm doing fairly innovative things with folks that have a 40 year history of innovative thinking.. That would be the "intellectual arm" of libertarianism... Not the badly conceived, often poorly executed, political arm of the LParty..

Folks at Reason Foundation, Cato Institute, Institute for Justice and the people who craft solutions that can be used by ANY Independent candidate for office..

First, this behavior has gone beyond goofy professional wresting status and appears to now be ingrained in the national subconscious. It may be that the qualities that motivate us to behave and function as a part of a dynamic, collaborative, innovative republic are like intellectual muscles -- use them or lose them. If they are indeed gone, if we've lost our dynamism, we're fu..., uh, screwed. (CDZ!)

You stole one of my favorite lectures... About atrophying intellectual muscles.. I used to use this a lot when I was a Californian.. Because of the stupid initiative process and because when you go out to exercise or walk into any building, you'd be greeted with a spazzy collection of "warning" signs that had been legislated for posting.. They left not a single case where your JUDGEMENT muscles would be used.. And most of all them ignored even if YOUR LIFE might be at risk...

So all that "collective judgement" has affected the "survival of the fittest" when judgement muscles are some kind of primitive archaic mental baggage.... Something only lower forms of animals need.. LOL....

I think IDENTIFYING and identity politics have reduced the need to UNDERSTAND the basics of rot in our social and political processes.. Positions are staked out on problems according to your identity, not according to any prolonged attempt to understand the issue.. And that identity bundle is now multi-dimensional... THere's a term for qualifying as a victim by the priority of all your identities.. Even a name for it in the "grievance industry".. It's called intersectionality.. Meaning that if you drew a Venn diagram (those geometric bubble charts showing overlapping commonalities between a set of entities) --- the more OVERLAPS you have, the more your opinions and "solutions" are valued...

Problem is -- as unstable as this this would WITHOUT emphasizing POLITICAL identity -- it becomes toxic and argumentative when your political identity gets more credit than your other identities...

So when you start looking for "victims" to emphasize with -- the "power ball multiplier" of party identity, makes that Venn diagram warped into two armed camps... Armed with the power to punish and hobble their "opposition"...

It's time to get rid of that polarizing and potentially dangerous power in the hands of just TWO CHOICES...

Then we can get back to empathizing and solving problems....

I definitely think that the political duopoly is contributing to the problem, and that a strong and viable third party would not only provide another option, but would (at least theoretically) also serve to stop the other two from spinning away into Never Never Land as they have. I could probably come up with a few more benefits, come to think of it.
.

To purge the over emphasis and lazy reliance on party affiliation from EVERY freaking issue, I don't think a 3rd or 4th party is a viable option anymore.. If you want INDEPENDENT thinkers and INDEPENDENT solutions, we should ENCOURAGE and restructure the whole campaign process to DE-EMPHASIZE party...

Plenty of qualified Dems and Repubs that would instantly appear SMARTER and more LIKEABLE if they ran as TRUE Independents...



It's ain't the money in politics... Plenty of races won by spending a fraction of the defeated...

 

[Mac1958]

You may be more positive about this than I am. It's just difficult for me to see us turning around at this point. I hope you're right. Two thoughts:

I am pretty positive about circumnavigating the political excrement storm.. Because I have a support group.. I'm doing fairly innovative things with folks that have a 40 year history of innovative thinking.. That would be the "intellectual arm" of libertarianism... Not the badly conceived, often poorly executed, political arm of the LParty..

Folks at Reason Foundation, Cato Institute, Institute for Justice and the people who craft solutions that can be used by ANY Independent candidate for office..

First, this behavior has gone beyond goofy professional wresting status and appears to now be ingrained in the national subconscious. It may be that the qualities that motivate us to behave and function as a part of a dynamic, collaborative, innovative republic are like intellectual muscles -- use them or lose them. If they are indeed gone, if we've lost our dynamism, we're fu..., uh, screwed. (CDZ!)

You stole one of my favorite lectures... About atrophying intellectual muscles.. I used to use this a lot when I was a Californian.. Because of the stupid initiative process and because when you go out to exercise or walk into any building, you'd be greeted with a spazzy collection of "warning" signs that had been legislated for posting.. They left not a single case where your JUDGEMENT muscles would be used.. And most of all them ignored even if YOUR LIFE might be at risk...

So all that "collective judgement" has affected the "survival of the fittest" when judgement muscles are some kind of primitive archaic mental baggage.... Something only lower forms of animals need.. LOL....

I think IDENTIFYING and identity politics have reduced the need to UNDERSTAND the basics of rot in our social and political processes.. Positions are staked out on problems according to your identity, not according to any prolonged attempt to understand the issue.. And that identity bundle is now multi-dimensional... THere's a term for qualifying as a victim by the priority of all your identities.. Even a name for it in the "grievance industry".. It's called intersectionality.. Meaning that if you drew a Venn diagram (those geometric bubble charts showing overlapping commonalities between a set of entities) --- the more OVERLAPS you have, the more your opinions and "solutions" are valued...

Problem is -- as unstable as this this would WITHOUT emphasizing POLITICAL identity -- it becomes toxic and argumentative when your political identity gets more credit than your other identities...

So when you start looking for "victims" to emphasize with -- the "power ball multiplier" of party identity, makes that Venn diagram warped into two armed camps... Armed with the power to punish and hobble their "opposition"...

It's time to get rid of that polarizing and potentially dangerous power in the hands of just TWO CHOICES...

Then we can get back to empathizing and solving problems....

I definitely think that the political duopoly is contributing to the problem, and that a strong and viable third party would not only provide another option, but would (at least theoretically) also serve to stop the other two from spinning away into Never Never Land as they have. I could probably come up with a few more benefits, come to think of it.
.

To purge the over emphasis and lazy reliance on party affiliation from EVERY freaking issue, I don't think a 3rd or 4th party is a viable option anymore.. If you want INDEPENDENT thinkers and INDEPENDENT solutions, we should ENCOURAGE and restructure the whole campaign process to DE-EMPHASIZE party...

Plenty of qualified Dems and Repubs that would instantly appear SMARTER and more LIKEABLE if they ran as TRUE Independents...

It's ain't the money in politics... Plenty of races won by spending a fraction of the defeated...

What would that look like? How do you get there from here?
.

 

[flacaltenn]

You may be more positive about this than I am. It's just difficult for me to see us turning around at this point. I hope you're right. Two thoughts:

I am pretty positive about circumnavigating the political excrement storm.. Because I have a support group.. I'm doing fairly innovative things with folks that have a 40 year history of innovative thinking.. That would be the "intellectual arm" of libertarianism... Not the badly conceived, often poorly executed, political arm of the LParty..

Folks at Reason Foundation, Cato Institute, Institute for Justice and the people who craft solutions that can be used by ANY Independent candidate for office..

First, this behavior has gone beyond goofy professional wresting status and appears to now be ingrained in the national subconscious. It may be that the qualities that motivate us to behave and function as a part of a dynamic, collaborative, innovative republic are like intellectual muscles -- use them or lose them. If they are indeed gone, if we've lost our dynamism, we're fu..., uh, screwed. (CDZ!)

You stole one of my favorite lectures... About atrophying intellectual muscles.. I used to use this a lot when I was a Californian.. Because of the stupid initiative process and because when you go out to exercise or walk into any building, you'd be greeted with a spazzy collection of "warning" signs that had been legislated for posting.. They left not a single case where your JUDGEMENT muscles would be used.. And most of all them ignored even if YOUR LIFE might be at risk...

So all that "collective judgement" has affected the "survival of the fittest" when judgement muscles are some kind of primitive archaic mental baggage.... Something only lower forms of animals need.. LOL....

I think IDENTIFYING and identity politics have reduced the need to UNDERSTAND the basics of rot in our social and political processes.. Positions are staked out on problems according to your identity, not according to any prolonged attempt to understand the issue.. And that identity bundle is now multi-dimensional... THere's a term for qualifying as a victim by the priority of all your identities.. Even a name for it in the "grievance industry".. It's called intersectionality.. Meaning that if you drew a Venn diagram (those geometric bubble charts showing overlapping commonalities between a set of entities) --- the more OVERLAPS you have, the more your opinions and "solutions" are valued...

Problem is -- as unstable as this this would WITHOUT emphasizing POLITICAL identity -- it becomes toxic and argumentative when your political identity gets more credit than your other identities...

So when you start looking for "victims" to emphasize with -- the "power ball multiplier" of party identity, makes that Venn diagram warped into two armed camps... Armed with the power to punish and hobble their "opposition"...

It's time to get rid of that polarizing and potentially dangerous power in the hands of just TWO CHOICES...

Then we can get back to empathizing and solving problems....

I definitely think that the political duopoly is contributing to the problem, and that a strong and viable third party would not only provide another option, but would (at least theoretically) also serve to stop the other two from spinning away into Never Never Land as they have. I could probably come up with a few more benefits, come to think of it.
.

To purge the over emphasis and lazy reliance on party affiliation from EVERY freaking issue, I don't think a 3rd or 4th party is a viable option anymore.. If you want INDEPENDENT thinkers and INDEPENDENT solutions, we should ENCOURAGE and restructure the whole campaign process to DE-EMPHASIZE party...

Plenty of qualified Dems and Repubs that would instantly appear SMARTER and more LIKEABLE if they ran as TRUE Independents...

It's ain't the money in politics... Plenty of races won by spending a fraction of the defeated...

What would that look like? How do you get there from here?
.

That's probably for another topic/thread... But I've gotten several articles published on POWERFUL candidates that blew their chances to WIN as Independents and instead the public didn't buy their vows to be "an independent voice" as Dem/Rep in a governorship or Congress...

 

[sartre play]

Take the money out, get a fighting chance for honest government.