CDZ A very simple question

[eagle1462010]

And if so, do you think that's an plausible long-term plan?

I would only opine on that some see extending empathy somewhat an exercise in futility Mac

Show me the same levels of Radicalism of the Right compared to the left............YOU CAN'T DO IT......

more , you can't SEE IT

You want a discussion about EMPATHY for the other side

No, Mac wants a discussion of the application & effectiveness of empathy , not some partisan rathole to serve as example

~S~

Why would I have Empathy for what the Far left have become.........his standard purpose is to push the Narritive that both sides are equal in the problem.........Not so........The Far Left have gone off the dead end and the SO CALLED RIGHT WING..........is as much a problem as them..........LOL

Why I ask for examples of how bad the right side of the equation is..............It is not......The Tea Party didn't need riot police at their demonstrations........They PEACEFULLY used their 1st Amendment Rights...............How is that EVEN CLOSE to what the Left has done in this country..........IT'S NOT.

I have never used the term "equal" to describe this. Not once, ever.

What I have said, a few thousand times or so, is that the sides can be very similar in their behaviors.
.

Your purpose is to push the Narrative that the Conservative side is to blame.......trying to push it towards equal which is NOT THE CASE......

The Far Left is Unhinged.........I can negotiate with you on policy even though you are left leaning........but with them there is NO NEGOTIATION...........You KNOW IT..........and I KNOW IT.

Why many are leaving them........from the Dems............When the Blue Dogs get the numbers back up you get back with me...............

One can call an apple an orange but it's still an apple by any other name. You misuse the words Liberal and Conservative on a daily basis. The Extremes that generally post in here are of neither one. They (and I include you in one half of that group) are something else entirely and it's difficult to put a label to either group. But Liberal and Conservative are not either group.

The Dem apple is hardly Liberal anymore.......Socialist would be the proper name for that apple............So you are correct they are no longer Liberal..............When the JFK Dems show back up with Reason and sanity get back to me.

I could care less if you call me Extreme...............I call a spade a spade..........and don't believe in PC nonsense anymore...........that only allowed the Far left to grow to the insanity it is today.

 

[Mac1958]

And if so, do you think that's an plausible long-term plan?

I would only opine on that some see extending empathy somewhat an exercise in futility Mac

Show me the same levels of Radicalism of the Right compared to the left............YOU CAN'T DO IT......

more , you can't SEE IT

You want a discussion about EMPATHY for the other side

No, Mac wants a discussion of the application & effectiveness of empathy , not some partisan rathole to serve as example

~S~

Why would I have Empathy for what the Far left have become.........his standard purpose is to push the Narritive that both sides are equal in the problem.........Not so........The Far Left have gone off the dead end and the SO CALLED RIGHT WING..........is as much a problem as them..........LOL

Why I ask for examples of how bad the right side of the equation is..............It is not......The Tea Party didn't need riot police at their demonstrations........They PEACEFULLY used their 1st Amendment Rights...............How is that EVEN CLOSE to what the Left has done in this country..........IT'S NOT.

I have never used the term "equal" to describe this. Not once, ever.

What I have said, a few thousand times or so, is that the sides can be very similar in their behaviors.
.

Your purpose is to push the Narrative that the Conservative side is to blame.......trying to push it towards equal which is NOT THE CASE......

The Far Left is Unhinged.........I can negotiate with you on policy even though you are left leaning........but with them there is NO NEGOTIATION...........You KNOW IT..........and I KNOW IT.

Why many are leaving them........from the Dems............When the Blue Dogs get the numbers back up you get back with me...............

One can call an apple an orange but it's still an apple by any other name. You misuse the words Liberal and Conservative on a daily basis. The Extremes that generally post in here are of neither one. They (and I include you in one half of that group) are something else entirely and it's difficult to put a label to either group. But Liberal and Conservative are not either group.

Yeah, it does seem that way. There are those on both "ends" who go so far that they begin to resemble each other more than they resemble conservatism or liberalism.

The Horseshoe Theory Says Right And Left Wing Are More Similar Than You Think
.

 

[eagle1462010]

I would only opine on that some see extending empathy somewhat an exercise in futility Mac

more , you can't SEE IT

No, Mac wants a discussion of the application & effectiveness of empathy , not some partisan rathole to serve as example

~S~

Why would I have Empathy for what the Far left have become.........his standard purpose is to push the Narritive that both sides are equal in the problem.........Not so........The Far Left have gone off the dead end and the SO CALLED RIGHT WING..........is as much a problem as them..........LOL

Why I ask for examples of how bad the right side of the equation is..............It is not......The Tea Party didn't need riot police at their demonstrations........They PEACEFULLY used their 1st Amendment Rights...............How is that EVEN CLOSE to what the Left has done in this country..........IT'S NOT.

I have never used the term "equal" to describe this. Not once, ever.

What I have said, a few thousand times or so, is that the sides can be very similar in their behaviors.
.

Your purpose is to push the Narrative that the Conservative side is to blame.......trying to push it towards equal which is NOT THE CASE......

The Far Left is Unhinged.........I can negotiate with you on policy even though you are left leaning........but with them there is NO NEGOTIATION...........You KNOW IT..........and I KNOW IT.

Why many are leaving them........from the Dems............When the Blue Dogs get the numbers back up you get back with me...............

One can call an apple an orange but it's still an apple by any other name. You misuse the words Liberal and Conservative on a daily basis. The Extremes that generally post in here are of neither one. They (and I include you in one half of that group) are something else entirely and it's difficult to put a label to either group. But Liberal and Conservative are not either group.

Yeah, it does seem that way. There are those on both "ends" that go so far that they begin to resemble each other more than they resemble conservatism or liberalism.

The Horseshoe Theory Says Right And Left Wing Are More Similar Than You Think
.

And again you push for their EQUALLY TO BLAME..........LOL

Sorry.....one more shot across the bow bro.

 

[Mac1958]

Why would I have Empathy for what the Far left have become.........his standard purpose is to push the Narritive that both sides are equal in the problem.........Not so........The Far Left have gone off the dead end and the SO CALLED RIGHT WING..........is as much a problem as them..........LOL

Why I ask for examples of how bad the right side of the equation is..............It is not......The Tea Party didn't need riot police at their demonstrations........They PEACEFULLY used their 1st Amendment Rights...............How is that EVEN CLOSE to what the Left has done in this country..........IT'S NOT.

I have never used the term "equal" to describe this. Not once, ever.

What I have said, a few thousand times or so, is that the sides can be very similar in their behaviors.
.

Your purpose is to push the Narrative that the Conservative side is to blame.......trying to push it towards equal which is NOT THE CASE......

The Far Left is Unhinged.........I can negotiate with you on policy even though you are left leaning........but with them there is NO NEGOTIATION...........You KNOW IT..........and I KNOW IT.

Why many are leaving them........from the Dems............When the Blue Dogs get the numbers back up you get back with me...............

One can call an apple an orange but it's still an apple by any other name. You misuse the words Liberal and Conservative on a daily basis. The Extremes that generally post in here are of neither one. They (and I include you in one half of that group) are something else entirely and it's difficult to put a label to either group. But Liberal and Conservative are not either group.

Yeah, it does seem that way. There are those on both "ends" that go so far that they begin to resemble each other more than they resemble conservatism or liberalism.

The Horseshoe Theory Says Right And Left Wing Are More Similar Than You Think
.

And again you push for their EQUALLY TO BLAME..........LOL

Sorry.....one more shot across the bow bro.

There's that word again. You use it, not me.

What's fascinating to me is wondering whether you folks even realize how dishonest you can be.

You may actually believe the stuff that you make up. I have more and more respect for the power of ideology every day.
.

 

[eagle1462010]

I have never used the term "equal" to describe this. Not once, ever.

What I have said, a few thousand times or so, is that the sides can be very similar in their behaviors.
.

Your purpose is to push the Narrative that the Conservative side is to blame.......trying to push it towards equal which is NOT THE CASE......

The Far Left is Unhinged.........I can negotiate with you on policy even though you are left leaning........but with them there is NO NEGOTIATION...........You KNOW IT..........and I KNOW IT.

Why many are leaving them........from the Dems............When the Blue Dogs get the numbers back up you get back with me...............

One can call an apple an orange but it's still an apple by any other name. You misuse the words Liberal and Conservative on a daily basis. The Extremes that generally post in here are of neither one. They (and I include you in one half of that group) are something else entirely and it's difficult to put a label to either group. But Liberal and Conservative are not either group.

Yeah, it does seem that way. There are those on both "ends" that go so far that they begin to resemble each other more than they resemble conservatism or liberalism.

The Horseshoe Theory Says Right And Left Wing Are More Similar Than You Think
.

And again you push for their EQUALLY TO BLAME..........LOL

Sorry.....one more shot across the bow bro.

There's that word again. You use it, not me.

What's fascinating to me is wondering whether you folks even realize how dishonest you can be.

You may actually believe the stuff that you make up. I have more and more respect for the power of ideology every day.
.

From years of observation of your posts.........you do try to push equally to blame narrative all the time.......and it our conflicts of the past........it was hard as hell to get you to finally admit that the Far left is extreme in comparison...........

You play a dance..........and that dance is to attempt to imply as much guilt on the RIGHT WING as you call it.......on it as you can..........and avoid the INSANITY of the left that has taken over the Dem party and you Know it.

I used the term.........and you have IMPLIED that EQUAL TERM forever........perhaps you don't see it......I certainly do..........Again, is there any real COMPARISON on the extremes in REAL EXAMPLES from the left wing to the right...................

If we went for examples I would plow the ground with them.........and you KNOW IT.

 

[dblack]

The Horseshoe Theory Says Right And Left Wing Are More Similar Than You Think
.

The Nolan Chart is a similar mapping:

When you look at attitudes toward the supremacy of the state, you see a lot of alignment between the modern "left", and the modern "right".

 

[eagle1462010]

The Horseshoe Theory Says Right And Left Wing Are More Similar Than You Think
.

The Nolan Chart is a similar mapping:

When you look at attitudes toward the supremacy of the state, you see a lot of alignment between the modern "left", and the modern "right".

The Muddy Waters of the Nolan Chart - The Objective Standard

The Nolan chart ignores the most important political issue of all: the principle of individual rights.

Freedom depends on the recognition and protection of individual rights. Yet the Nolan chart doesn’t even mention rights. Although the chart is putatively about who advocates freedom and who doesn’t, it ignores the most fundamental, most important question in making that determination: Who upholds the principle of rights and who doesn’t? A political spectrum that fails to mention the most important principle of politics is not clarifying but stupefying.

The Nolan chart omits the category of “capitalist”—placing it out of sight and out of mind.

Capitalism is the only social system that can support and sustain liberty—because it is the only system based on the recognition and protection of individual rights. But rather than include capitalism and highlight this crucial fact (as a political spectrum worth its salt would), the Nolan chart omits capitalism as if it doesn’t exist or doesn’t matter.


I look at that chart and say how in the world is Economic Freedom 180 degrees out with Personal Freedom.....................Because I want Economic Freedom doesn't mean I want Personal Freedom.........I reject the chart on that aspect alone.

 

[Mac1958]

Your purpose is to push the Narrative that the Conservative side is to blame.......trying to push it towards equal which is NOT THE CASE......

The Far Left is Unhinged.........I can negotiate with you on policy even though you are left leaning........but with them there is NO NEGOTIATION...........You KNOW IT..........and I KNOW IT.

Why many are leaving them........from the Dems............When the Blue Dogs get the numbers back up you get back with me...............

One can call an apple an orange but it's still an apple by any other name. You misuse the words Liberal and Conservative on a daily basis. The Extremes that generally post in here are of neither one. They (and I include you in one half of that group) are something else entirely and it's difficult to put a label to either group. But Liberal and Conservative are not either group.

Yeah, it does seem that way. There are those on both "ends" that go so far that they begin to resemble each other more than they resemble conservatism or liberalism.

The Horseshoe Theory Says Right And Left Wing Are More Similar Than You Think
.

And again you push for their EQUALLY TO BLAME..........LOL

Sorry.....one more shot across the bow bro.

There's that word again. You use it, not me.

What's fascinating to me is wondering whether you folks even realize how dishonest you can be.

You may actually believe the stuff that you make up. I have more and more respect for the power of ideology every day.
.

From years of observation of your posts.........you do try to push equally to blame narrative all the time.......and it our conflicts of the past........it was hard as hell to get you to finally admit that the Far left is extreme in comparison...........

You play a dance..........and that dance is to attempt to imply as much guilt on the RIGHT WING as you call it.......on it as you can..........and avoid the INSANITY of the left that has taken over the Dem party and you Know it.

I used the term.........and you have IMPLIED that EQUAL TERM forever........perhaps you don't see it......I certainly do..........Again, is there any real COMPARISON on the extremes in REAL EXAMPLES from the left wing to the right...................

If we went for examples I would plow the ground with them.........and you KNOW IT.

Funny, I point out regularly how the Democratic Party has been taken over by the Regressive Left and has pretty much lost its marbles. But you don't see that. My assumption is that your subconscious immediately deletes or ignores all input that is contrary to your existing perceptions.

Let's take a look at the posts on this thread: You see the words "similar in their behaviors" on your screen, but your mind perceives it as "equally to blame". This appears to be a natural, organic process for you.

This is why I find this stuff so fascinating, and it's why I'm now convinced that strict adherence to an ideology literally distorts both perceptions and thought processes.

Within the context of this thread, I'm also convinced it plays a significant role in damaging or even eliminating empathy.
.

 

[dblack]

The Nolan chart ignores the most important political issue of all: the principle of individual rights.

Whatever. I don't think that's true, but I'm not really interested in debating the accuracy of the chart. The point is, the two-dimensional mapping of left/right leaves out or obscures a lot of important aspects of political ideology. There are other things to consider.

 

[eagle1462010]

One can call an apple an orange but it's still an apple by any other name. You misuse the words Liberal and Conservative on a daily basis. The Extremes that generally post in here are of neither one. They (and I include you in one half of that group) are something else entirely and it's difficult to put a label to either group. But Liberal and Conservative are not either group.

Yeah, it does seem that way. There are those on both "ends" that go so far that they begin to resemble each other more than they resemble conservatism or liberalism.

The Horseshoe Theory Says Right And Left Wing Are More Similar Than You Think
.

And again you push for their EQUALLY TO BLAME..........LOL

Sorry.....one more shot across the bow bro.

There's that word again. You use it, not me.

What's fascinating to me is wondering whether you folks even realize how dishonest you can be.

You may actually believe the stuff that you make up. I have more and more respect for the power of ideology every day.
.

From years of observation of your posts.........you do try to push equally to blame narrative all the time.......and it our conflicts of the past........it was hard as hell to get you to finally admit that the Far left is extreme in comparison...........

You play a dance..........and that dance is to attempt to imply as much guilt on the RIGHT WING as you call it.......on it as you can..........and avoid the INSANITY of the left that has taken over the Dem party and you Know it.

I used the term.........and you have IMPLIED that EQUAL TERM forever........perhaps you don't see it......I certainly do..........Again, is there any real COMPARISON on the extremes in REAL EXAMPLES from the left wing to the right...................

If we went for examples I would plow the ground with them.........and you KNOW IT.

Funny, I point out regularly how the Democratic Party has been taken over by the Regressive Left and has pretty much lost its marbles. But you don't see that. My assumption is that your subconscious immediately deletes all input that is contrary to your existing perceptions.

Let's take a look at the posts on this thread: You see the words "similar in their behaviors", but your mind perceives it as "equally to blame". This appears to be a natural, organic process for you.

This is why I find this stuff so fascinating, and it's why I'm now convinced that strict adherence to an ideology literally distorts both perceptions and thought processes.

Within the context of this thread, I'm also convinced it plays a significant role in damaging or even eliminating empathy.
.

I do perceive it ..........You always play the game of pushing the narrative of BOTH SIDES being the problem.......................I could reason with you..........I actually could.......but I can't reason with the Far Left.........while I have seen you ditch the Far Left.........it takes a while for you to finally call them out.......on many threads I've had to prod you over and over again to finally admit that.........

The Far left are A MOUNTAIN WORSE than the so called RIGHT WING that you label me as...........You give me reasonable laws based on facts and EVIDENCE........then I'm more than willing to talk about it............but the Far Left doesn't do that...................I call them out for it.........I used to not do that and figured they would just Fade away because they were SO INSANE..............an yet they have grown.....

Giving me the only option left as to call their butts out............We don't go to their rallies and destroy property and say they have no right to assemble..............but THEY DO THAT ALL THE TIME........and all the Time RIOT POLICE have to go in to deal with them.

If you wore a I love Obama hat around a Red state.........I'd imagine that you would be fairly safe, as we aren't gonna beat you up over it................Wear a MAGA HAT in a liberal area..........YOU BETTER HAVE BODY GUARDS...........

This is true and you know it..........THERE IS NO COMPARISON OF THE EXTREMISM OF THE LEFT.

 

[MarathonMike]

Sorry man.. It's depressing.. At least I don't have to worry about being their "co-dependent" anymore...

I refuse to empathize with them...

So for both of you: Would you say that your goal is to beat the other side so that you have control over where things go from there?

And if so, do you think that's an plausible long-term plan?
.

Wait let's back up. You began the thread with what I believe is a redefinition of 'empathy' which is confusing, at least to me. The term 'empathy' connotes an understanding of someone else's pain or anguish. Like when Bill Clinton said "I feel your pain" he was empathizing with the people he was talking about.

In politics it is important IMO to understand the motivations of the other side. Democratic leaders are motivated by power and building their voting base by changing demographics. So me understanding their feelings is irrelevant. What is important IMO is putting the people in power who will do what is best for the country's future and young Americans having the same chance to improve their lives that I did.

My definition was based on a definition I read online. But I try to provide definitions (direct or indirect) to threads like this so at least we're operating from the same page. I wish that were a regular approach here, because most threads are a bunch of people screaming at each other using their own definitions for words like "racism" and "socialism".

In fact, come to think of it, that's a critical part of what's wrong with contemporary political discourse: Each tribe -- purposely, from what I can tell -- distorts the words and definitions of the other, specifically in order to more easily attack it, demean it, "beat" it. It's done so impulsively now that I'm not even sure they know they're doing it.

I don't see how this is constructive. I don't see how it leads to the collaboration required for innovation and advancement.

I totally agree. That is why I am being somewhat anal about the use of the word 'empathy' in this context. I believe the generally accepted use of the word is about "feeling" another person's or another group's emotional state. Emotion is what buggers up political discussion in the first place.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I would only opine on that some see extending empathy somewhat an exercise in futility Mac

more , you can't SEE IT

No, Mac wants a discussion of the application & effectiveness of empathy , not some partisan rathole to serve as example

~S~

Why would I have Empathy for what the Far left have become.........his standard purpose is to push the Narritive that both sides are equal in the problem.........Not so........The Far Left have gone off the dead end and the SO CALLED RIGHT WING..........is as much a problem as them..........LOL

Why I ask for examples of how bad the right side of the equation is..............It is not......The Tea Party didn't need riot police at their demonstrations........They PEACEFULLY used their 1st Amendment Rights...............How is that EVEN CLOSE to what the Left has done in this country..........IT'S NOT.

I have never used the term "equal" to describe this. Not once, ever.

What I have said, a few thousand times or so, is that the sides can be very similar in their behaviors.
.

Your purpose is to push the Narrative that the Conservative side is to blame.......trying to push it towards equal which is NOT THE CASE......

The Far Left is Unhinged.........I can negotiate with you on policy even though you are left leaning........but with them there is NO NEGOTIATION...........You KNOW IT..........and I KNOW IT.

Why many are leaving them........from the Dems............When the Blue Dogs get the numbers back up you get back with me...............

One can call an apple an orange but it's still an apple by any other name. You misuse the words Liberal and Conservative on a daily basis. The Extremes that generally post in here are of neither one. They (and I include you in one half of that group) are something else entirely and it's difficult to put a label to either group. But Liberal and Conservative are not either group.

The Dem apple is hardly Liberal anymore.......Socialist would be the proper name for that apple............So you are correct they are no longer Liberal..............When the JFK Dems show back up with Reason and sanity get back to me.

I could care less if you call me Extreme...............I call a spade a spade..........and don't believe in PC nonsense anymore...........that only allowed the Far left to grow to the insanity it is today.

Your "Liberal" use of the term "Socialist" tells me loads about your beliefs. And you ARE extreme and are NOT a conservative. It goes back to the way that one group tried to label President Eisenhower as a Socialist because he tried to help the poor and other people that were getting a raw deal. You can call yourself anything you want but I see you as a Bircher who has no place in the Republican Party that you have hijacked.

 

[eagle1462010]

Why would I have Empathy for what the Far left have become.........his standard purpose is to push the Narritive that both sides are equal in the problem.........Not so........The Far Left have gone off the dead end and the SO CALLED RIGHT WING..........is as much a problem as them..........LOL

Why I ask for examples of how bad the right side of the equation is..............It is not......The Tea Party didn't need riot police at their demonstrations........They PEACEFULLY used their 1st Amendment Rights...............How is that EVEN CLOSE to what the Left has done in this country..........IT'S NOT.

I have never used the term "equal" to describe this. Not once, ever.

What I have said, a few thousand times or so, is that the sides can be very similar in their behaviors.
.

Your purpose is to push the Narrative that the Conservative side is to blame.......trying to push it towards equal which is NOT THE CASE......

The Far Left is Unhinged.........I can negotiate with you on policy even though you are left leaning........but with them there is NO NEGOTIATION...........You KNOW IT..........and I KNOW IT.

Why many are leaving them........from the Dems............When the Blue Dogs get the numbers back up you get back with me...............

One can call an apple an orange but it's still an apple by any other name. You misuse the words Liberal and Conservative on a daily basis. The Extremes that generally post in here are of neither one. They (and I include you in one half of that group) are something else entirely and it's difficult to put a label to either group. But Liberal and Conservative are not either group.

The Dem apple is hardly Liberal anymore.......Socialist would be the proper name for that apple............So you are correct they are no longer Liberal..............When the JFK Dems show back up with Reason and sanity get back to me.

I could care less if you call me Extreme...............I call a spade a spade..........and don't believe in PC nonsense anymore...........that only allowed the Far left to grow to the insanity it is today.

Your "Liberal" use of the term "Socialist" tells me loads about your beliefs. And you ARE extreme and are NOT a conservative. It goes back to the way that one group tried to label President Eisenhower as a Socialist because he tried to help the poor and other people that were getting a raw deal. You can call yourself anything you want but I see you as a Bircher who has no place in the Republican Party that you have hijacked.

The Far left is socialist to the core..............and their policy statements back that up..........Free shit to the moon without a clue on how to pay for it............It is IMPOSSIBLE..........and done only to get support from the Far Left Base which they need in the primaries............about 25% of them are there.........but that discounts the Super Delegates who will decide the candidate..............

Your statement to me that I'm not conservative is just an opinion...........In fact if I had my way I'd go back to the core of the Constitution and put the Gov't on a leash...........And reinstate the Enumerated Powers..........which would place me more a Libertarian now wouldn't it............

Personal Freedom be damned with the Far Left ..........They go......Do what we say or ELSE.........I CHOOSE ELSE...........if that bothers you I really don't care......or EMPATHIZE WITH YOU.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I have never used the term "equal" to describe this. Not once, ever.

What I have said, a few thousand times or so, is that the sides can be very similar in their behaviors.
.

Your purpose is to push the Narrative that the Conservative side is to blame.......trying to push it towards equal which is NOT THE CASE......

The Far Left is Unhinged.........I can negotiate with you on policy even though you are left leaning........but with them there is NO NEGOTIATION...........You KNOW IT..........and I KNOW IT.

Why many are leaving them........from the Dems............When the Blue Dogs get the numbers back up you get back with me...............

One can call an apple an orange but it's still an apple by any other name. You misuse the words Liberal and Conservative on a daily basis. The Extremes that generally post in here are of neither one. They (and I include you in one half of that group) are something else entirely and it's difficult to put a label to either group. But Liberal and Conservative are not either group.

The Dem apple is hardly Liberal anymore.......Socialist would be the proper name for that apple............So you are correct they are no longer Liberal..............When the JFK Dems show back up with Reason and sanity get back to me.

I could care less if you call me Extreme...............I call a spade a spade..........and don't believe in PC nonsense anymore...........that only allowed the Far left to grow to the insanity it is today.

Your "Liberal" use of the term "Socialist" tells me loads about your beliefs. And you ARE extreme and are NOT a conservative. It goes back to the way that one group tried to label President Eisenhower as a Socialist because he tried to help the poor and other people that were getting a raw deal. You can call yourself anything you want but I see you as a Bircher who has no place in the Republican Party that you have hijacked.

The Far left is socialist to the core..............and their policy statements back that up..........Free shit to the moon without a clue on how to pay for it............It is IMPOSSIBLE..........and done only to get support from the Far Left Base which they need in the primaries............about 25% of them are there.........but that discounts the Super Delegates who will decide the candidate..............

Your statement to me that I'm not conservative is just an opinion...........In fact if I had my way I'd go back to the core of the Constitution and put the Gov't on a leash...........And reinstate the Enumerated Powers..........which would place me more a Libertarian now wouldn't it............

Personal Freedom be damned with the Far Left ..........They go......Do what we say or ELSE.........I CHOOSE ELSE...........if that bothers you I really don't care......or EMPATHIZE WITH YOU.

Or you'll do what, call me a Socialist? I guess most of us in here are Far Left to you. Well, I am far left of a homicidal axe wielding mass murderer so go ahead, call me a leftist. But since you keep tossing the "Socialist" term around, that still goes back to 1958. And it's a dead giveaway. Most of the "So Called" Leftists in here are actually moderates who are "Left" of you. In fact, there are many moderate Conservatives that also fit that definition. You keep screaming the same battle cry over and over. Sounds to me like you are throwing a tantrum because you can't get it all your own way. And that is the reason the extreme Right and the Extreme Left keep doing the same blamed thing over and over. So, it's up to the rest of us to tell you that you aren't going to have it just your way no matter how extreme you are. It's up to the rest of us to put America back together. You broke it but it's up to use to pay for it.

 

[Mac1958]

Your purpose is to push the Narrative that the Conservative side is to blame.......trying to push it towards equal which is NOT THE CASE......

The Far Left is Unhinged.........I can negotiate with you on policy even though you are left leaning........but with them there is NO NEGOTIATION...........You KNOW IT..........and I KNOW IT.

Why many are leaving them........from the Dems............When the Blue Dogs get the numbers back up you get back with me...............

One can call an apple an orange but it's still an apple by any other name. You misuse the words Liberal and Conservative on a daily basis. The Extremes that generally post in here are of neither one. They (and I include you in one half of that group) are something else entirely and it's difficult to put a label to either group. But Liberal and Conservative are not either group.

The Dem apple is hardly Liberal anymore.......Socialist would be the proper name for that apple............So you are correct they are no longer Liberal..............When the JFK Dems show back up with Reason and sanity get back to me.

I could care less if you call me Extreme...............I call a spade a spade..........and don't believe in PC nonsense anymore...........that only allowed the Far left to grow to the insanity it is today.

Your "Liberal" use of the term "Socialist" tells me loads about your beliefs. And you ARE extreme and are NOT a conservative. It goes back to the way that one group tried to label President Eisenhower as a Socialist because he tried to help the poor and other people that were getting a raw deal. You can call yourself anything you want but I see you as a Bircher who has no place in the Republican Party that you have hijacked.

The Far left is socialist to the core..............and their policy statements back that up..........Free shit to the moon without a clue on how to pay for it............It is IMPOSSIBLE..........and done only to get support from the Far Left Base which they need in the primaries............about 25% of them are there.........but that discounts the Super Delegates who will decide the candidate..............

Your statement to me that I'm not conservative is just an opinion...........In fact if I had my way I'd go back to the core of the Constitution and put the Gov't on a leash...........And reinstate the Enumerated Powers..........which would place me more a Libertarian now wouldn't it............

Personal Freedom be damned with the Far Left ..........They go......Do what we say or ELSE.........I CHOOSE ELSE...........if that bothers you I really don't care......or EMPATHIZE WITH YOU.

Or you'll do what, call me a Socialist? I guess most of us in here are Far Left to you. Well, I am far left of a homicidal axe wielding mass murderer so go ahead, call me a leftist. But since you keep tossing the "Socialist" term around, that still goes back to 1958. And it's a dead giveaway. Most of the "So Called" Leftists in here are actually moderates who are "Left" of you. In fact, there are many moderate Conservatives that also fit that definition. You keep screaming the same battle cry over and over. Sounds to me like you are throwing a tantrum because you can't get it all your own way. And that is the reason the extreme Right and the Extreme Left keep doing the same blamed thing over and over. So, it's up to the rest of us to tell you that you aren't going to have it just your way no matter how extreme you are. It's up to the rest of us to put America back together. You broke it but it's up to use to pay for it.

I've changed my mind on something over the last couple of years: I've always thought that any of us could be a part of working together to improve things. I no longer think that. I think there will always be people who simply lack the capacity to collaborate, and they'll just not be a part of it.

They can stand off to one side and scream at us and each other, that's fine. But they'll never be a constructive piece of this. The question going forward will be how effective they can be at obstructing it. Right now, they're being VERY effective.
.

 

[eagle1462010]

Your purpose is to push the Narrative that the Conservative side is to blame.......trying to push it towards equal which is NOT THE CASE......

The Far Left is Unhinged.........I can negotiate with you on policy even though you are left leaning........but with them there is NO NEGOTIATION...........You KNOW IT..........and I KNOW IT.

Why many are leaving them........from the Dems............When the Blue Dogs get the numbers back up you get back with me...............

One can call an apple an orange but it's still an apple by any other name. You misuse the words Liberal and Conservative on a daily basis. The Extremes that generally post in here are of neither one. They (and I include you in one half of that group) are something else entirely and it's difficult to put a label to either group. But Liberal and Conservative are not either group.

The Dem apple is hardly Liberal anymore.......Socialist would be the proper name for that apple............So you are correct they are no longer Liberal..............When the JFK Dems show back up with Reason and sanity get back to me.

I could care less if you call me Extreme...............I call a spade a spade..........and don't believe in PC nonsense anymore...........that only allowed the Far left to grow to the insanity it is today.

Your "Liberal" use of the term "Socialist" tells me loads about your beliefs. And you ARE extreme and are NOT a conservative. It goes back to the way that one group tried to label President Eisenhower as a Socialist because he tried to help the poor and other people that were getting a raw deal. You can call yourself anything you want but I see you as a Bircher who has no place in the Republican Party that you have hijacked.

The Far left is socialist to the core..............and their policy statements back that up..........Free shit to the moon without a clue on how to pay for it............It is IMPOSSIBLE..........and done only to get support from the Far Left Base which they need in the primaries............about 25% of them are there.........but that discounts the Super Delegates who will decide the candidate..............

Your statement to me that I'm not conservative is just an opinion...........In fact if I had my way I'd go back to the core of the Constitution and put the Gov't on a leash...........And reinstate the Enumerated Powers..........which would place me more a Libertarian now wouldn't it............

Personal Freedom be damned with the Far Left ..........They go......Do what we say or ELSE.........I CHOOSE ELSE...........if that bothers you I really don't care......or EMPATHIZE WITH YOU.

Or you'll do what, call me a Socialist? I guess most of us in here are Far Left to you. Well, I am far left of a homicidal axe wielding mass murderer so go ahead, call me a leftist. But since you keep tossing the "Socialist" term around, that still goes back to 1958. And it's a dead giveaway. Most of the "So Called" Leftists in here are actually moderates who are "Left" of you. In fact, there are many moderate Conservatives that also fit that definition. You keep screaming the same battle cry over and over. Sounds to me like you are throwing a tantrum because you can't get it all your own way. And that is the reason the extreme Right and the Extreme Left keep doing the same blamed thing over and over. So, it's up to the rest of us to tell you that you aren't going to have it just your way no matter how extreme you are. It's up to the rest of us to put America back together. You broke it but it's up to use to pay for it.

If the shoe fits wear it..............If it doesn't then don't wear it.............

I said the Dem has been taken over by the Socialist Left........if you are not part of the Far Left then it was not directed at you................

You look at the Dem Debates.............It is Socialism and Free Shit on Steroids to get votes from the Far Left Base and you know it.............It was who can be the Best for the Far Left voters..........Of course after the election they will forget about it ...........LOL

But to have a chance at winning the primaries...........they have to play the Socialist dance and they know it. The Dems have lost a lot of voters because of the Far Left and this Impeachment Insanity...........You are losing the Unions too.............and even the Black vote is taking a hit...............But your side still doesn't get it.............

So continue pandering to them............it only lessens your sides chance at winning.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

One can call an apple an orange but it's still an apple by any other name. You misuse the words Liberal and Conservative on a daily basis. The Extremes that generally post in here are of neither one. They (and I include you in one half of that group) are something else entirely and it's difficult to put a label to either group. But Liberal and Conservative are not either group.

The Dem apple is hardly Liberal anymore.......Socialist would be the proper name for that apple............So you are correct they are no longer Liberal..............When the JFK Dems show back up with Reason and sanity get back to me.

I could care less if you call me Extreme...............I call a spade a spade..........and don't believe in PC nonsense anymore...........that only allowed the Far left to grow to the insanity it is today.

Your "Liberal" use of the term "Socialist" tells me loads about your beliefs. And you ARE extreme and are NOT a conservative. It goes back to the way that one group tried to label President Eisenhower as a Socialist because he tried to help the poor and other people that were getting a raw deal. You can call yourself anything you want but I see you as a Bircher who has no place in the Republican Party that you have hijacked.

The Far left is socialist to the core..............and their policy statements back that up..........Free shit to the moon without a clue on how to pay for it............It is IMPOSSIBLE..........and done only to get support from the Far Left Base which they need in the primaries............about 25% of them are there.........but that discounts the Super Delegates who will decide the candidate..............

Your statement to me that I'm not conservative is just an opinion...........In fact if I had my way I'd go back to the core of the Constitution and put the Gov't on a leash...........And reinstate the Enumerated Powers..........which would place me more a Libertarian now wouldn't it............

Personal Freedom be damned with the Far Left ..........They go......Do what we say or ELSE.........I CHOOSE ELSE...........if that bothers you I really don't care......or EMPATHIZE WITH YOU.

Or you'll do what, call me a Socialist? I guess most of us in here are Far Left to you. Well, I am far left of a homicidal axe wielding mass murderer so go ahead, call me a leftist. But since you keep tossing the "Socialist" term around, that still goes back to 1958. And it's a dead giveaway. Most of the "So Called" Leftists in here are actually moderates who are "Left" of you. In fact, there are many moderate Conservatives that also fit that definition. You keep screaming the same battle cry over and over. Sounds to me like you are throwing a tantrum because you can't get it all your own way. And that is the reason the extreme Right and the Extreme Left keep doing the same blamed thing over and over. So, it's up to the rest of us to tell you that you aren't going to have it just your way no matter how extreme you are. It's up to the rest of us to put America back together. You broke it but it's up to use to pay for it.

I've changed my mind on something over the last couple of years: I've always thought that any of us could be a part of working together to improve things. I no longer think that. I think there will always be people who simply lack the capacity to collaborate, and they'll just not be a part of it.

They can stand off to one side and scream at us and each other, that's fine. But they'll never be a constructive piece of this.
.

I fully agree with that. The problem is, the Extremists believe that only they are right and if you disagree even slightly you are the Devil's Spawn. What we can do is to still discuss things and just ignore them even when they throw themselves to the ground in a fit of rage. They'll probably miss.

 

[eagle1462010]

One can call an apple an orange but it's still an apple by any other name. You misuse the words Liberal and Conservative on a daily basis. The Extremes that generally post in here are of neither one. They (and I include you in one half of that group) are something else entirely and it's difficult to put a label to either group. But Liberal and Conservative are not either group.

The Dem apple is hardly Liberal anymore.......Socialist would be the proper name for that apple............So you are correct they are no longer Liberal..............When the JFK Dems show back up with Reason and sanity get back to me.

I could care less if you call me Extreme...............I call a spade a spade..........and don't believe in PC nonsense anymore...........that only allowed the Far left to grow to the insanity it is today.

Your "Liberal" use of the term "Socialist" tells me loads about your beliefs. And you ARE extreme and are NOT a conservative. It goes back to the way that one group tried to label President Eisenhower as a Socialist because he tried to help the poor and other people that were getting a raw deal. You can call yourself anything you want but I see you as a Bircher who has no place in the Republican Party that you have hijacked.

The Far left is socialist to the core..............and their policy statements back that up..........Free shit to the moon without a clue on how to pay for it............It is IMPOSSIBLE..........and done only to get support from the Far Left Base which they need in the primaries............about 25% of them are there.........but that discounts the Super Delegates who will decide the candidate..............

Your statement to me that I'm not conservative is just an opinion...........In fact if I had my way I'd go back to the core of the Constitution and put the Gov't on a leash...........And reinstate the Enumerated Powers..........which would place me more a Libertarian now wouldn't it............

Personal Freedom be damned with the Far Left ..........They go......Do what we say or ELSE.........I CHOOSE ELSE...........if that bothers you I really don't care......or EMPATHIZE WITH YOU.

Or you'll do what, call me a Socialist? I guess most of us in here are Far Left to you. Well, I am far left of a homicidal axe wielding mass murderer so go ahead, call me a leftist. But since you keep tossing the "Socialist" term around, that still goes back to 1958. And it's a dead giveaway. Most of the "So Called" Leftists in here are actually moderates who are "Left" of you. In fact, there are many moderate Conservatives that also fit that definition. You keep screaming the same battle cry over and over. Sounds to me like you are throwing a tantrum because you can't get it all your own way. And that is the reason the extreme Right and the Extreme Left keep doing the same blamed thing over and over. So, it's up to the rest of us to tell you that you aren't going to have it just your way no matter how extreme you are. It's up to the rest of us to put America back together. You broke it but it's up to use to pay for it.

I've changed my mind on something over the last couple of years: I've always thought that any of us could be a part of working together to improve things. I no longer think that. I think there will always be people who simply lack the capacity to collaborate, and they'll just not be a part of it.

They can stand off to one side and scream at us and each other, that's fine. But they'll never be a constructive piece of this. The question going forward will be how effective they can be at obstructing it. Right now, they're being VERY effective.
.

We are entrenched against the Far Left...........and we aren't going to stop firing from the trenches........With that we agree..............

I believe the Far Left is dangerous for America..........Do you disagree.......and they don't negotiate and you know that..............So I'll stay entrenched.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

One can call an apple an orange but it's still an apple by any other name. You misuse the words Liberal and Conservative on a daily basis. The Extremes that generally post in here are of neither one. They (and I include you in one half of that group) are something else entirely and it's difficult to put a label to either group. But Liberal and Conservative are not either group.

The Dem apple is hardly Liberal anymore.......Socialist would be the proper name for that apple............So you are correct they are no longer Liberal..............When the JFK Dems show back up with Reason and sanity get back to me.

I could care less if you call me Extreme...............I call a spade a spade..........and don't believe in PC nonsense anymore...........that only allowed the Far left to grow to the insanity it is today.

Your "Liberal" use of the term "Socialist" tells me loads about your beliefs. And you ARE extreme and are NOT a conservative. It goes back to the way that one group tried to label President Eisenhower as a Socialist because he tried to help the poor and other people that were getting a raw deal. You can call yourself anything you want but I see you as a Bircher who has no place in the Republican Party that you have hijacked.

The Far left is socialist to the core..............and their policy statements back that up..........Free shit to the moon without a clue on how to pay for it............It is IMPOSSIBLE..........and done only to get support from the Far Left Base which they need in the primaries............about 25% of them are there.........but that discounts the Super Delegates who will decide the candidate..............

Your statement to me that I'm not conservative is just an opinion...........In fact if I had my way I'd go back to the core of the Constitution and put the Gov't on a leash...........And reinstate the Enumerated Powers..........which would place me more a Libertarian now wouldn't it............

Personal Freedom be damned with the Far Left ..........They go......Do what we say or ELSE.........I CHOOSE ELSE...........if that bothers you I really don't care......or EMPATHIZE WITH YOU.

Or you'll do what, call me a Socialist? I guess most of us in here are Far Left to you. Well, I am far left of a homicidal axe wielding mass murderer so go ahead, call me a leftist. But since you keep tossing the "Socialist" term around, that still goes back to 1958. And it's a dead giveaway. Most of the "So Called" Leftists in here are actually moderates who are "Left" of you. In fact, there are many moderate Conservatives that also fit that definition. You keep screaming the same battle cry over and over. Sounds to me like you are throwing a tantrum because you can't get it all your own way. And that is the reason the extreme Right and the Extreme Left keep doing the same blamed thing over and over. So, it's up to the rest of us to tell you that you aren't going to have it just your way no matter how extreme you are. It's up to the rest of us to put America back together. You broke it but it's up to use to pay for it.

If the shoe fits wear it..............If it doesn't then don't wear it.............

I said the Dem has been taken over by the Socialist Left........if you are not part of the Far Left then it was not directed at you................

You look at the Dem Debates.............It is Socialism and Free Shit on Steroids to get votes from the Far Left Base and you know it.............It was who can be the Best for the Far Left voters..........Of course after the election they will forget about it ...........LOL

But to have a chance at winning the primaries...........they have to play the Socialist dance and they know it. The Dems have lost a lot of voters because of the Far Left and this Impeachment Insanity...........You are losing the Unions too.............and even the Black vote is taking a hit...............But your side still doesn't get it.............

So continue pandering to them............it only lessens your sides chance at winning.

So you listen to just Bernie and Warren and don't hear the others that are left on the stage. Did it ever occur to you that the ones left on the stage, out of the 6, only those two are far left? Did you listen to the others at all or does it get in the way of your rant. The chances of Bernie and Warren getting the nod are almost zero so I suggest you start listening to the other 4. But you don't listen, you only repeat what the right wing media tells you that was said. Hey, I listen to Trump when he speaks. Or when he tweets. Or when he...... I don't take anyone elses word for anything. It's called being informed.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Dem apple is hardly Liberal anymore.......Socialist would be the proper name for that apple............So you are correct they are no longer Liberal..............When the JFK Dems show back up with Reason and sanity get back to me.

I could care less if you call me Extreme...............I call a spade a spade..........and don't believe in PC nonsense anymore...........that only allowed the Far left to grow to the insanity it is today.

Your "Liberal" use of the term "Socialist" tells me loads about your beliefs. And you ARE extreme and are NOT a conservative. It goes back to the way that one group tried to label President Eisenhower as a Socialist because he tried to help the poor and other people that were getting a raw deal. You can call yourself anything you want but I see you as a Bircher who has no place in the Republican Party that you have hijacked.

The Far left is socialist to the core..............and their policy statements back that up..........Free shit to the moon without a clue on how to pay for it............It is IMPOSSIBLE..........and done only to get support from the Far Left Base which they need in the primaries............about 25% of them are there.........but that discounts the Super Delegates who will decide the candidate..............

Your statement to me that I'm not conservative is just an opinion...........In fact if I had my way I'd go back to the core of the Constitution and put the Gov't on a leash...........And reinstate the Enumerated Powers..........which would place me more a Libertarian now wouldn't it............

Personal Freedom be damned with the Far Left ..........They go......Do what we say or ELSE.........I CHOOSE ELSE...........if that bothers you I really don't care......or EMPATHIZE WITH YOU.

Or you'll do what, call me a Socialist? I guess most of us in here are Far Left to you. Well, I am far left of a homicidal axe wielding mass murderer so go ahead, call me a leftist. But since you keep tossing the "Socialist" term around, that still goes back to 1958. And it's a dead giveaway. Most of the "So Called" Leftists in here are actually moderates who are "Left" of you. In fact, there are many moderate Conservatives that also fit that definition. You keep screaming the same battle cry over and over. Sounds to me like you are throwing a tantrum because you can't get it all your own way. And that is the reason the extreme Right and the Extreme Left keep doing the same blamed thing over and over. So, it's up to the rest of us to tell you that you aren't going to have it just your way no matter how extreme you are. It's up to the rest of us to put America back together. You broke it but it's up to use to pay for it.

If the shoe fits wear it..............If it doesn't then don't wear it.............

I said the Dem has been taken over by the Socialist Left........if you are not part of the Far Left then it was not directed at you................

You look at the Dem Debates.............It is Socialism and Free Shit on Steroids to get votes from the Far Left Base and you know it.............It was who can be the Best for the Far Left voters..........Of course after the election they will forget about it ...........LOL

But to have a chance at winning the primaries...........they have to play the Socialist dance and they know it. The Dems have lost a lot of voters because of the Far Left and this Impeachment Insanity...........You are losing the Unions too.............and even the Black vote is taking a hit...............But your side still doesn't get it.............

So continue pandering to them............it only lessens your sides chance at winning.

So you listen to just Bernie and Warren and don't hear the others that are left on the stage. Did it ever occur to you that the ones left on the stage, out of the 6, only those two are far left? Did you listen to the others at all or does it get in the way of your rant. The chances of Bernie and Warren getting the nod are almost zero so I suggest you start listening to the other 4. But you don't listen, you only repeat what the right wing media tells you that was said. Hey, I listen to Trump when he speaks. Or when he tweets. Or when he...... I don't take anyone elses word for anything. It's called being informed.

I only care about the ones capable of winning it..............and I called out Bernie and the Fake Indian for trying to out Socialist each other...........

Gabbard is not part of the establishment.......while I don't agree with a lot of her policies she would have been the best choice........as she would run on a Anti War platform...........and I have no doubt that she would withdraw our troops from the middle east if she won.

But she will not play the establishment game..............and so she is toast..........If you wanted a chance to win I'd say she would be the one because of the Anti War feelings in this country...............

But the Dem primaries are rigged......the Super Delegates will choose the Establishment player who will do their bidding.

So I do pay attention...........but only really care at about the ones most likely to win.