A Terrible Milestone in the American Presidency: Trump switches sides in the war for freedom

[JimH52]

That does not excuse. And not everyone is the same. You Russians are being led by a 21st century Russian Hitler. So despicable.

Yes, his actions have lead to the deaths of thousands and will be many more if someone with a pair does not stop him.

 

[jbrownson0831]

Yes, his actions have lead to the deaths of thousands and will be many more if someone with a pair does not stop him.

Those of us with a pair voted him in jimbowhiner.
312-226, you lost.
Tulsi didn't get you, did she??

 

[PeterPilot]

‘This week, Donald Trump falsely accused Ukraine of starting a war against a much larger neighbor, inviting invasion and mass death. At this point, Trump—who has a history of trusting Russian President Vladimir Putin more than he trusts the Americans who are sworn to defend the United States—may even believe it. Casting Ukraine as the aggressor (and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky as a “dictator,” which Trump did today) makes political sense for Trump, who is innately deferential to Putin, and likely views the conflict as a distraction from his own personal and political agendas. The U.S. president has now chosen to throw America to Putin’s side and is more than willing to see this war end on Russian terms.

Repeating lies, however, does not make them true.

Russia, and specifically Putin, launched this war in 2014 and widened it in 2022. The information and media ecosystem around Trump and the Republican Party has tried for years to submerge the Russian war against Ukraine in a sump of moral relativism, because many in the GOP admire Putin as some sort of Christian strongman. But Putin is making war on a country that is mostly composed of his fellow Orthodox Christians, solely based on his own grandiose fantasies.’

https://archive.li/3gkqS

A terrible milestone and a terrible president; with his lies Trump returns to coddling dictators and attacking allies – in this case Ukraine.

Good grief, reading your post is like reading something from Obama's lips or Nuland's lips, pure unadulterated poppycock and propaganda.

Russia has been trying to find a diplomatic solution to NATO's encroachment for 15 years, but the west wanted war. They got it now. All the US and NATO know is military aggression and violence.

I didn't vote for Trump, but he's got this one right!

 

[Zavulon]

That does not excuse.

What exactly is "not excuse"? The USA were untrustworthy back in 1973, they were untrustworthy back in 2021, and they are still untrustworthy now. Only goofs believe them, but there are a lot of goofs in this world, so it's not a problem.

And not everyone is the same.

I don't say that everyone is the same. I say that everyone lies.

You Russians are being led by a 21st century Russian Hitler. So despicable.

Oh, come on... Even in American school you have to study more of history than just Hitler. Didn't you study about, say, Abraham Lincoln?

 

[Zavulon]

Yes, his actions have lead to the deaths of thousands and will be many more if someone with a pair does not stop him.

Or, may be, it will led to the deaths of billions (instead of thousands) if someone with more balls than brains "try to stop" him.

And why do you comparing him with Hitler? Don't you know, about, say, Abraham Lincoln.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Oh, look, Zavulon is babbling and nothing intelligent is coming out.

 

[Zavulon]

Oh, look, Zavulon is babbling and nothing intelligent is coming out.

It's not about how intelligent arguments can I produce. It's all about how intelligent arguments can you accept and understand. If you really didn't read a thing about Abraham Lincoln, then yes, you can't compare him with Putin. Can you?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It's not about how intelligent arguments can I produce. It's all about how intelligent arguments can you accept and understand. If you really didn't read a thing about Abraham Lincoln, then yes, you can't compare him with Putin. Can you?

The intelligent part of the west knows that Russia and its fixation with 19th/20th centuries Czarist/USSR expanisionism is a danger to the entire world.

 

[Zavulon]

The intelligent part of the west knows that Russia and its fixation with 19th/20th centuries Czarist/USSR expanisionism is a danger to the entire world.

I always thought that George Santayana, who said "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it" was an American (of Spanish origin, with Spanish citizenship, but definitely Anglo-American).

And, of course, your fixation on the single and misinterpreted fact of the European history is much worse, than wider study of the history. One fact is nothing. (An infinite number of straight lines can be drawn through one point).
Two facts give us an opportunity to discuss possible regularities. Even if we think that WWII started because of appeasement (which is oversimplification, and, likely, just not true), WWI started because lack of appeasement.


Russia has long and very instructive history. And, of course, it's not just about 19th/20th century. It's also, say, about, 988, 1380, 1612, 1709 and many other famous dates.

And, oversimplified, it's just a regular set of western invasions in Russia, during which Russia every time beat the enemies and often remove them from historical scene (like what has happened with Sweden or Lithuania).

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I always thought that George Santayana, who said "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it" was an American (of Spanish origin, with Spanish citizenship, but definitely Anglo-American).

And, of course, your fixation on the single and misinterpreted fact of the European history is much worse, than wider study of the history. One fact is nothing. (An infinite number of straight lines can be drawn through one point).
Two facts give us an opportunity to discuss possible regularities. Even if we think that WWII started because of appeasement (which is oversimplification, and, likely, just not true), WWI started because lack of appeasement.


Russia has long and very instructive history. And, of course, it's not just about 19th/20th century. It's also, say, about, 988, 1380, 1612, 1709 and many other famous dates.

And, oversimplified, it's just a regular set of western invasions in Russia, during which Russia every time beat the enemies and often remove them from historical scene (like what has happened with Sweden or Lithuania).

Zavulon will never be allowed to try to rewrite and revise history.

 

[Zavulon]

Zavulon will never be allowed to try to rewrite and revise history.

I'm not writer to rewrite your history. You have Hollywood for this. Looking forward to watch Holliwood movies from 2030-50s about Ukrainian war (and, may be, about WW3), about good Russians and even better Americans fighting shoulder to shoulder against evil hordes of Iodine-deficite Ukrainians and both morally and physically degraded Europeans.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I'm not writer to rewrite your history. You have Hollywood for this. Looking forward to watch Holliwood movies from 2030-50s about Ukrainian war (and, may be, about WW3), about good Russians and even better Americans fighting shoulder to shoulder against evil hordes of Iodine-deficite Ukrainians and both morally and physically degraded Europeans.

Sure you are, just not very good at it.

 

[Zavulon]

Sure you are, just not very good at it.

I already do it, or I'll never be allowed to do it?

And no, I just asked you, do you know any historical figure exept Hitler and any historical period except 1938?
What about Lincoln and American Civil War?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I already do it, or I'll never be allowed to do it?

And no, I just asked you, do you know any historical figure exept Hitler and any historical period except 1938?
What about Lincoln and American Civil War?

Zavulon is one of the poorest imitations of a person knowing history on the Board.

 

[gipper]

‘This week, Donald Trump falsely accused Ukraine of starting a war against a much larger neighbor, inviting invasion and mass death. At this point, Trump—who has a history of trusting Russian President Vladimir Putin more than he trusts the Americans who are sworn to defend the United States—may even believe it. Casting Ukraine as the aggressor (and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky as a “dictator,” which Trump did today) makes political sense for Trump, who is innately deferential to Putin, and likely views the conflict as a distraction from his own personal and political agendas. The U.S. president has now chosen to throw America to Putin’s side and is more than willing to see this war end on Russian terms.

Repeating lies, however, does not make them true.

Russia, and specifically Putin, launched this war in 2014 and widened it in 2022. The information and media ecosystem around Trump and the Republican Party has tried for years to submerge the Russian war against Ukraine in a sump of moral relativism, because many in the GOP admire Putin as some sort of Christian strongman. But Putin is making war on a country that is mostly composed of his fellow Orthodox Christians, solely based on his own grandiose fantasies.’

https://archive.li/3gkqS

A terrible milestone and a terrible president; with his lies Trump returns to coddling dictators and attacking allies – in this case Ukraine.

I bet you think Russia was unprovoked.

 

[MisterBeale]

There was a peace deal on the table in Constantinople, and Tenpercentskyy insanely walked away from it.

But let's not let nagging little facts like that get in the way of....

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Noice meme, an original?

 

[Zavulon]

Zavulon is one of the poorest imitations of a person knowing history on the Board.

Ok. I'll take it for "no".

 

[Hollie]

‘This week, Donald Trump falsely accused Ukraine of starting a war against a much larger neighbor, inviting invasion and mass death. At this point, Trump—who has a history of trusting Russian President Vladimir Putin more than he trusts the Americans who are sworn to defend the United States—may even believe it. Casting Ukraine as the aggressor (and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky as a “dictator,” which Trump did today) makes political sense for Trump, who is innately deferential to Putin, and likely views the conflict as a distraction from his own personal and political agendas. The U.S. president has now chosen to throw America to Putin’s side and is more than willing to see this war end on Russian terms.

Repeating lies, however, does not make them true.

Russia, and specifically Putin, launched this war in 2014 and widened it in 2022. The information and media ecosystem around Trump and the Republican Party has tried for years to submerge the Russian war against Ukraine in a sump of moral relativism, because many in the GOP admire Putin as some sort of Christian strongman. But Putin is making war on a country that is mostly composed of his fellow Orthodox Christians, solely based on his own grandiose fantasies.’

https://archive.li/3gkqS

A terrible milestone and a terrible president; with his lies Trump returns to coddling dictators and attacking allies – in this case Ukraine.

A long, tedious cut and paste of someone else’s opinion.

What dictator is Trump coddling, “ the goofy little comedian?

What ally has Trump attacked?


Can you find someone else’s opinion to cut and paste as a response?