A Socialist Section

[TruthNotBS]

Still wrong, kid.

Drink your fiber.

 

[Picaro]

I've heard that crap for years.

Since the 18th Century at least.

 

[Picaro]

Advanced automation and artificial intelligence end the exploitation of human labor. We will exploit robots.

I drive by that fully automated McDonald's 3 or 4 times a week. they have more human employees back behind the machines than the 'regular old timey' ones a mile or so down the road. 3 times in the last month they've had humans outside having to take orders by hand in the drive thru lanes.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I drive by that fully automated McDonald's 3 or 4 times a week. they have more human employees back behind the machines than the 'regular old timey' ones a mile or so down the road. 3 times in the last month they've had humans outside having to take orders by hand in the drive thru lanes.

The McDonald's I go to has only two employees. We're just at the beginning of seeing robots replace fast-food workers. It's happening now, and I see it every day here in NYC. I trained an AI for three years to code CNC machines, using g-code, and it took my job. I'm now a consultant for factories that want to fully automate their CNC machines. There are new machines now that don't need coders. So you're essentially laughing at yourself with that emoji whether you recognize it or not.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Uh huh. Make sure to wear a "I love Socialism" T-shirt so I know who to come get.

Strangely, I've never seen anyone wearing one.

Funny that.

I'm sure you won't find many socialists or communists in the Bible Belt, where you're at. Eventually you will as even the rednecks wake up and say "Oh Shiat, the robots are doing everything and we don't have enough jobs".

 

[Delldude]

It's central and important enough to have its own area.

To who?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Personal property will always remain legal
and a basic human right, however private property won't.

Just out of curiosity, who do you think would willingly relinquish their own private property to the state to redistribute to others?

It would seem to me that not very many.

So how, specifically, do you plan on enforcing that whole ''no private property allowed'' model?

The only thing I can can come up with is you can try to enforce it at the barrel of a government gun.

 

[BS Filter]

But you're too stupid to benefit from hearing anything for years because you're unable to make the distinction between past technology and today's advanced, intelligent automation. For centuries people rode horses, then the car was invented and the horse and buggy disappeared. Today automation unlike in the past can do practically everything a human can, and in the next few years, most jobs are going to be automated. That's the end of capitalism. We will exploit robots, rather than human beings.

If you're being exploited, it's your own damn fault.

 

[TruthNotBS]

If you're being exploited, it's your own damn fault.

Only an idiot would believe that shit.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Just out of curiosity, who do you think would willingly relinquish their own private property to the state to redistribute to others?

It would seem to me that not very many.

So how, specifically, do you plan on enforcing that whole ''no private property allowed'' model?

The only thing I can can come up with is you can try to enforce it at the barrel of a government gun.

Eventually, all of the mines, factories, facilities, and infrastructure of mass production will be publicly owned. Mass production has always been a social endeavor, not a private one. It takes a team of human beings, laboring, working, in order to produce goods and services. Whatever property exists that exploits human labor for the profit of an owner, becomes publicly owned and democratically managed.

If today you try to make Yellowstone National Park into your private land and business, you will be arrested, because that land belongs to the American people, not just you as an individual. You can't use that land to exploit others for a profit..etc. It belongs to everyone, not just you. If you walk into the public library with a big duffle bag and start throwing books into it, and try to walk out without properly checking them out with the library, you'll be stopped by security. Many public libraries today have armed guards. You can't just walk in there and take the books, without following the rules.

Same applies for private property that is used to exploit other human beings for profit. The only property that you can own is for personal use, not to exploit others for a profit. In the future profits and markets won't exist anyway due to advanced automation and artificial intelligence, so the fact that you and I won't be able to exploit human labor by owning the means of production will be irrelevant and of no concern to us or anyone. Smart robots and AGI will handle practically all of the mass production, hence capitalism will be seen in the same way as we today consider feudalism or even chattel slavery. It will be an archaic, obsolete system of production.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Eventually, all of the mines, factories, facilities, and infrastructure of mass production will be publicly owned. Mass production has always been a social endeavor, not a private one. It takes a team of human beings, laboring, working, in order to produce goods and services. Whatever property exists that exploits human labor for the profit of an owner, becomes publicly owned and democratically managed.

If today you try to make Yellowstone National Park into your private land and business, you will be arrested, because that land belongs to the American people, not just you as an individual. You can't use that land to exploit others for a profit..etc. It belongs to everyone, not just you. If you walk into the public library with a big duffle bag and start throwing books into it, and try to walk out without properly checking them out with the library, you'll be stopped by security. Many public libraries today have armed guards. You can't just walk in there and take the books, without following the rules.

Same applies for private property that is used to exploit other human beings for profit. The only property that you can own is for personal use, not to exploit others for a profit. In the future profits and markets won't exist anyway due to advanced automation and artificial intelligence, so the fact that you and I won't be able to exploit human labor by owning the means of production will be irrelevant and of no concern to us or anyone. Smart robots and AGI will handle practically all of the mass production, hence capitalism will be seen in the same way as we today consider feudalism or even chattel slavery. It will be an archaic, obsolete system of production.

So, with regard to the question I asked, which I'll ask again as a courtesy, do you think that Americans would willingly relinquish their own private property to the state to redistribute to others?

Again, it would seem to me that not very many, if any, would do that.

So, to repeat, how specifically do you plan on enforcing that whole ''no private property allowed'' model when Americans do not comply with relinquishing their private property to the state for redistribution?

Again, the only thing I can can come up with is you can try to enforce it at the barrel of a government gun.

 

[TruthNotBS]

So, with regard to the question I asked, which I'll ask again as a courtesy, do you think that Americans would willingly relinquish their own private property to the state to redistribute to others?

Again, it would seem to me that not very many, if any, would do that.

So, to repeat, how specifically do you plan on enforcing that whole ''no private property allowed'' model?

Again, the only thing I can can come up with is you can try to enforce it at the barrel of a government gun.

I answered it already, by government authority. The community, the American people, primarily the working class (94% of the population), that will be out of work due to advanced automation and AGI, will pass policies via their democratic government to make mass production a publicly owned activity. All of the resources, assets, facilities, machinery, robots, AI, quantum-supercomputers, will be collectively owned, as our commonwealth. Of course the capitalist ruling class isn't going to like that, they want to continue owning the mines, factories, the machinery of production, all of the advanced robotics and AI, the self-driving 18-wheelers..etc. They're going to fight to stop that from happening.

The capitalists, who Adam Smith, the father of capitalism identified as "masters" (did you read my earlier post, where I quoted Adam Smith?), aren't going to relinquish their power over mass production, without a fight, maybe even a war. They might force the working-class to take it by force. There might be a violent revolution, a civil war. The capitalists ruling class have millions of working class people, who look up to them and consider them their good lords and masters. These working-class, brainwashed morons, happily consign themselves to being exploited labor and in the future, worthless consumer-serfs living off of a monthly government UBI check.

The capitalist master-elites, own the media, the major universities, our current government, they have the military and law enforcement in their pockets, not to speak of the minds of millions of working class people. There might be a second civil war in our future. Maybe America will not remain a union with 50 states. It will be balkanized and split into various countries. I hope that doesn't occur but that might be the inevitable result of advanced automation and AI, taking everyone's jobs. There might be a war. That's just my opinion, I'm not promoting war,

 

[Natural Citizen]

Yeah, I think you cats are probably more likely to get yourselves shot in the face trying to take people's property.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Yeah, I think you cats are probably more likely to get yourselves shot in the face.

Me? I'm not going to do nothing, I will let others fight that war, not me. It's not worth it. I believe smaller groups of socialists, should form their own intentional communities and build their own independent infrastructure. So when the government begins to give everyone a UBI check, the smarter socialists, will form communities, with their own infrastructure. We will have our own robots, mines, factories, hospitals, schools, everything.

That's my personal preference and solution, not fighting a war to take the country. No, let people like you remain slaves, to the capitalist-tech-lords and maybe one day you or your children will wake-up, but I don't believe in risking my life for an asshole like you. You can remain an exploited drone, or worthless consumer serf, living off of a UBI, I don't give a shit. Suffer asshole. You deserve it.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Me? I'm not going to do nothing, I will let others fight that war, not me. It's not worth it.

Ha. Chickendick...

 

[TruthNotBS]

Ha. Chickendick...

You're not worth it. Why should I and other American socialists risk their lives for brainwashed, hostile, anti-socialist assholes like you? No, remain in your darkness, living off of a UBI check. I don't care about you. You're a piece of shit. Socialists will form their own communities, where they will own the means of production, amongst themselves. We will consolidate our resources, pooling our assets, skills, talents..etc, together and we will develop our own independent, self-sufficient community. We'll have all of the advanced robots, the AGI, the mines, the factories, hospitals, schools, farms, beautiful housing..etc. People like you can remain worthless serfs, groveling at the feet of your capitalist tech lords.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Socialists will form their own communities, where they will own the means of production, amongst themselves. We will consolidate our resources, pooling our assets, skills, talents..etc, together and we will build develop our own independent, self-sufficient community. We'll have all of the advanced robots, the AGI, the mines, the factories, hospitals, schools, farms, beautiful housing..etc.

You mean like one of them er kibbutz deals?

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[dblack]

Socialists will form their own communities, where they will own the means of production, amongst themselves. We will consolidate our resources, pooling our assets, skills, talents..etc, together and we will develop our own independent, self-sufficient community. We'll have all of the advanced robots, the AGI, the mines, the factories, hospitals, schools, farms, beautiful housing..etc. People like you can remain worthless serfs, groveling at the feet of your capitalist tech lords.

Go for it! Maybe it'll work. Just don't take up arms and try to force the rest of us to accommodate you.

 

[TruthNotBS]

You mean like one them er kibbutz deals?

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No, not like that. That's in the past. This is the future, with advanced automation and AGI. Idiots like you like to go back to the 20th century, or the Middle Ages, ancient times.. No, it's the 21st century and we have amazing, powerful technology today, hence it's not like anything in the past. We're living in a very unique time in our history. You're just too dumb to realize that, so you keep throwing your imbecilic darts at me, trying to score, but you're not scoring anything. You're completely missing the target.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Go for it! Maybe it'll work. Just don't take up arms and try to force the rest of us to accommodate you.

I have no desire or need for you to accommodate me, for anything. So get your head out of your ass you worthless piece of shit. I think that nation-states are obsolete, and nothing more than a liability for human survival. When technology is advanced enough, to a certain degree, nation-states just undermine our freedoms, so the best course we could take is establishing independent, self-sufficient colonies or "communes", whatever you want to call them.

One person, just you, or maybe you and your family, will be able to own 20, 100 intelligent robots with IQs of 350+, and dexterity superior to humans. So, you can form your own community, with just you and your loved ones, and your friends, without needing government infrastructure. You'll even have a micro-fusion reactor or one of these:

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Maybe you'll become a nomad, living like this:

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You won't need a nation-state, a big government, thanks to technology. If in your community, the administration gets heavy-handed, you just leave. Bye bye. Leave with your family and friends on your boats:

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