A Slow But Steady Genocide

[montelatici]

CAMERA is purely a propaganda site, why do you even post that trash.

 

[aris2chat]

Gazans are not starving.

What's that based on?

If you're talking about the rich, you're probably right; if you're talking about the majority, you're definitely wrong.
You can't eat the fish, until you catch the fish. And you can't catch the fish, if the IDF keeps shooting at your fishermen. You can't eat what you grow, until you harvest your field. And you can't harvest your field, if the IDF keeps shooting at your farmers. So how the **** are you supposed to eat?

However in Syria the palestinians have been starved to death. Pictures of emaciated bodies are horrific

Who are you? Sally?

You don't have a valid argument, so you want to hijack the thread and change the subject?

Funny how you lie again about how farmers and fisherman KEEP (this is the jey word) getting shot at, yet you only provided like 2 videos.

Can you prove that Gazans are not getting enough fish and crops because Israel keeps shooting at them!!

BTW, there are also Israeli children who are not getting enough nutrition. I recently read an article about it on JPost.

outdoor food markets, stores shelves, restaurants even road side boxes of fruits and vegetables for sale. There is food, but that there are some that might not be able to afford to buy enough quality food is sadly something that happens in every country and no because Israel is preventing sufficient food into gaza. Food obviously is entering gaza if they can keep western fast food restaurants operating. Places like KFC are the cheapest even in the US but when you see people walking out with two or three large bags each when a chicken on an outdoor spit with creamed garlic and bread is a fraction of the price, gazans are not hurting that bad. There will always be people that are starving, but the population as a whole are not. Within the camps the UN still provide food and medicine. They might not have american fast food but they are well enough fed. Life spans are longer. Child deaths are lower. People are well fleshed, unlike the images of the starving from the camps in syria. Children have the energy and alertness to attend schools and play football. These would not be possible if the population was starving or even hungry.

 

[MJB12741]

Is that right? Well then perhaps you would prefer a Palestinian non propaganda link to show your starving Palestinians. This one okay?

Gaza | TRAVEL PALESTINE

CAMERA is purely a propaganda site, why do you even post that trash.

 

[toastman]

CAMERA is purely a propaganda site, why do you even post that trash.

And globalresearch??
Have you read the shit in that site?? It's as if it's rhn by pro Israelis trying tk make pro Palestinians look bad!

 

[aris2chat]

Is that right? Well then perhaps you would prefer a Palestinian non propaganda link to show your starving Palestinians. This one okay?

Gaza | TRAVEL PALESTINE

CAMERA is purely a propaganda site, why do you even post that trash.

There was a time when Israeli products were banned by Hamas, there were some shortages on the shelves of packaged foods.
Hamas has shipping containers as the crossings that are not being distributed but that is not Israel's fault.
There are products Hamas/gazans are not paying for to the WB or Israel but that is not the same as Israel preventing them from entering gaza.
Diet is high on beans and vegetables, but cattle, sheep, goats and chickens are all raised in gaza. There is fresh milk but in that climate powdered milk is far more common. Most fresh milk is probably used for yogurt and cheese, as it is in most of the middle east.
Israel has two busy open crossings. Egypt has only opened their crossing briefly for a few days, and shut down the majority of illegal tunnels.

 

[Billo_Really]

And globalresearch??
Have you read the shit in that site?? It's as if it's rhn by pro Israelis trying tk make pro Palestinians look bad!

You do know you're trashing a Canadian media outlet?

 

[MJB12741]

I think everyone would agree that what Hamas has done to harm Palestinian well being is unforgivable. But then, just how sorry should we feel for the Palestinians who themselves elected Hamas to govern them?

Is that right? Well then perhaps you would prefer a Palestinian non propaganda link to show your starving Palestinians. This one okay?

Gaza | TRAVEL PALESTINE

CAMERA is purely a propaganda site, why do you even post that trash.

There was a time when Israeli products were banned by Hamas, there were some shortages on the shelves of packaged foods.
Hamas has shipping containers as the crossings that are not being distributed but that is not Israel's fault.
There are products Hamas/gazans are not paying for to the WB or Israel but that is not the same as Israel preventing them from entering gaza.
Diet is high on beans and vegetables, but cattle, sheep, goats and chickens are all raised in gaza. There is fresh milk but in that climate powdered milk is far more common. Most fresh milk is probably used for yogurt and cheese, as it is in most of the middle east.
Israel has two busy open crossings. Egypt has only opened their crossing briefly for a few days, and shut down the majority of illegal tunnels.

 

[toastman]

And globalresearch??
Have you read the shit in that site?? It's as if it's rhn by pro Israelis trying tk make pro Palestinians look bad!

You do know you're trashing a Canadian media outlet?

So? I'm basing my opinion on the fact that I have read several articles there. Plus, I read the disclaimer at the bottom, have you?

 

[Roudy]

And globalresearch??
Have you read the shit in that site?? It's as if it's rhn by pro Israelis trying tk make pro Palestinians look bad!

You do know you're trashing a Canadian media outlet?

So? There's "media outlets" here in the US that are garbage, DUFUS. Wow.

 

[Billo_Really]

Again, you are showing me a few incidents. Gaza fisherman go out every day. Gazan farmers farm everyday.

I'm only required to give 3 examples to back up my claim.

You have provided "0", to back up yours.

Your comment that 'fisherman can't fish and farmers can't farm without getting shot at' is a lie. Maybe you should correct it, this time without the exaggeration..

I wasn't exaggerating the first time. If you're unsure of as to what my point was specifically, you should ask me to elaborate in a little more detail, instead of jumping to the wrong conclusions.

And Globalresearch?? Really? Did you happen to notice that propaganda picture in the beginning of the article? And the title of the article? You Israel haters will believe anything as long as it vilifies Israel!

"...believe anything...", is the wrong choice of words. Let's just say, until I know for sure, I give them the benefit of the doubt. And since you provide zero evidence to the contrary, there's no reason for me to change my position.

BTW, if you present a good enough argument, I'm one of the few posters around here who will publically acknowledge that and change his opinion.

About the Israeli children not getting enough nutrition, it has nothing to do with left or right wing. My point was that every country has children who are not getting nutrition.

That's being done by their own government, not someone else's, illegally occupying your land.

 

[Billo_Really]

So? I'm basing my opinion on the fact that I have read several articles there. Plus, I read the disclaimer at the bottom, have you?

Yes.

Did you also read they are the No.1 link to the majority of colleges and universities around the world and they've won several media awards for their articles and that they are a non-partisan, non-biased media outlet.

 

[Billo_Really]

So? There's "media outlets" here in the US that are garbage, DUFUS. Wow.

Absolutely!

The NYT, Washington Post and WSJ, to name a few.

Weekly Standard and Heritage Foundation are a couple more.

 

[toastman]

Again, you are showing me a few incidents. Gaza fisherman go out every day. Gazan farmers farm everyday.

I'm only required to give 3 examples to back up my claim.

You have provided "0", to back up yours.

Your comment that 'fisherman can't fish and farmers can't farm without getting shot at' is a lie. Maybe you should correct it, this time without the exaggeration..

I wasn't exaggerating the first time. If you're unsure of as to what my point was specifically, you should ask me to elaborate in a little more detail, instead of jumping to the wrong conclusions.

And Globalresearch?? Really? Did you happen to notice that propaganda picture in the beginning of the article? And the title of the article? You Israel haters will believe anything as long as it vilifies Israel!

"...believe anything...", is the wrong choice of words. Let's just say, until I know for sure, I give them the benefit of the doubt. And since you provide zero evidence to the contrary, there's no reason for me to change my position.

BTW, if you present a good enough argument, I'm one of the few posters around here who will publically acknowledge that and change his opinion.

About the Israeli children not getting enough nutrition, it has nothing to do with left or right wing. My point was that every country has children who are not getting nutrition.

That's being done by their own government, not someone else's, illegally occupying your land.

You need 3 examples to back up your original statement that Gazans CAN'T farm or fish without getting shot at? Is that what you just implies?
And what kind of examples do I need to bring?
Is there an article that will say that Farmers and fisherman didn't get shot at today?? LOL get real Billo.
I called you out on your bullshit allegation that Gazans 'can't farm or fish without getting shit at' and you are too afraid to admit that you exxagerated that statement. Why, I don't know. It happens to everyone, so there's nothing to worry about.

 

[Roudy]

So? There's "media outlets" here in the US that are garbage, DUFUS. Wow.

Absolutely!

The NYT, Washington Post and WSJ, to name a few.

Weekly Standard and Heritage Foundation are a couple more.

And you got your info from an obscure site that posts 9-11 Truther articles and regularly defends Iran's regime, to name a few. Like I said, Garbaggio.

 

[Billo_Really]

And you got your info from an obscure site that posts 9-11 Truther articles and regularly defends Iran's regime, to name a few. Like I said, Garbaggio.

And just what articles are you referring to?

 

[aris2chat]

I think everyone would agree that what Hamas has done to harm Palestinian well being is unforgivable. But then, just how sorry should we feel for the Palestinians who themselves elected Hamas to govern them?

Is that right? Well then perhaps you would prefer a Palestinian non propaganda link to show your starving Palestinians. This one okay?

Gaza | TRAVEL PALESTINE

There was a time when Israeli products were banned by Hamas, there were some shortages on the shelves of packaged foods.
Hamas has shipping containers as the crossings that are not being distributed but that is not Israel's fault.
There are products Hamas/gazans are not paying for to the WB or Israel but that is not the same as Israel preventing them from entering gaza.
Diet is high on beans and vegetables, but cattle, sheep, goats and chickens are all raised in gaza. There is fresh milk but in that climate powdered milk is far more common. Most fresh milk is probably used for yogurt and cheese, as it is in most of the middle east.
Israel has two busy open crossings. Egypt has only opened their crossing briefly for a few days, and shut down the majority of illegal tunnels.

Gaza has fish farms that produce fish far safer than those by egypt or palestinian fishermen.
Palestinians might object to the price of food, but then we all do these days, but there is not a lack of food available in gaza.
Gazans are not being starved or killed out of any of elimination or genocide.

 

[montelatici]

Support from Galicia for Gaza Food Aid
10 March 2014
Madrid

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) is grateful to the Galicia Regional Government for its contribution of EUR 10,000 (US$ 13,752) in response to the Agency’s Emergency Appeal for the Gaza Strip.

The prolonged blockade on the Gaza Strip has had a marked impact on residents’ ability to meet even their most simple needs. It is difficult to find work or move freely, and the deterioration of sanitary conditions has led to undernourishment and malnutrition. The proportion of households who are food insecure rose to 57 per cent in 2012 from 44 per cent in 2011.

- See more at: Support from Galicia for Gaza food aid - UNRWA press release (10 March 2014)

 

[MJB12741]

OMG! You mean the Gaza Strip was blockaded? Gosh I wonder why Egypt or Israel would do that to the noble peace loving, life loving, non weapon smuggling Palestinians?

Support from Galicia for Gaza Food Aid
10 March 2014
Madrid

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) is grateful to the Galicia Regional Government for its contribution of EUR 10,000 (US$ 13,752) in response to the Agency’s Emergency Appeal for the Gaza Strip.

The prolonged blockade on the Gaza Strip has had a marked impact on residents’ ability to meet even their most simple needs. It is difficult to find work or move freely, and the deterioration of sanitary conditions has led to undernourishment and malnutrition. The proportion of households who are food insecure rose to 57 per cent in 2012 from 44 per cent in 2011.

- See more at: Support from Galicia for Gaza food aid - UNRWA press release (10 March 2014)

 

[montelatici]

Bullshit? Hebrew University does bullshit research?

"The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians

The Times recently carried this unusual report on an Israeli Jew (Tsvi Misinai, a retired computer expert) who's hoping to prove that Palestinians are descended from Jews. Apparently, he thinks that proving this will help to stop the bloodshed. His idea is that modern Jews are descended from emigration in the first few centuries of the Christian era. The Jews who stayed put in Palestine converted to Islam, and became Palestinian Arabs. There's hope that genetic tests might be able to prove this.

Well, there is good news and bad news on that score.

The good news is that the genetics of Arabs and Jews have been pretty extensively researched. The classic study dates to 2000, from a team lead by Michael Hammer of University of Arizona. They looked at Y-chromosome haplotypes - this is the genetic material passed from father to son down the generations.

What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations (as shown in this figure).

Another team, lead by Almut Nebel at the Hebrew University, Jerusalem, took a closer look in 2001. They found that Jewish lineages essentially bracket Muslim Kurds, but they were also very closely related to Palestinians. In fact, what their analysis suggested was that Palestinians were identical to Jews, but with a small mix of Arab genes - what you would expect if they were originally from the same stock, but that Palestinians had mixed a little with Arab immigrants. They conclude:
We propose that the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews (Nebel et al. 2000). According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula...
So, as far as male lineage goes, the genetic story is very clear. Palestinians and Jews are virtually indistinguishable.

Epiphenom: The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians

>>According to a 2010 study by Behar et al. titled "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people", some Palestinians tested clustered genetically close to Bedouins, Jordanians and Saudi Arabians which could indicate a common ancestry or some recent ancestral influx from the Arabian Peninsula.
A study found that the Palestinians, like Jordanians, Syrians, Iraqis, Turks, and Kurds have what appears to be Female-Mediated gene flow in the form of Maternal DNA Haplogroups from Sub-Saharan Africa. Of the 117 Palestinian individuals tested, 15 carried maternal haplogroups that originated in Sub-Saharan Africa. These results are consistent with female migration from eastern Africa into Near Eastern communities within the last few thousand years. There have been many opportunities for such migrations during this period. However, the most likely explanation for the presence of predominantly female lineages of African origin in these areas is that they may trace back to women brought from Africa as part of the Arab slave trade, assimilated into the areas under Arab rule as a result of miscegenation and manumission<<
Extensive Female-Mediated Gene Flow from Sub-Saharan Africa into Near Eastern Arab Populations

That shoots down Monte's findings. That's an unimpeachable source.

How does that "shoot down" any of the U.S. studies, Hammer etc.?

 

[montelatici]

"I discovered geneticists - Jewish geneticists - whose knowledge of history ended at what was necessary for their high-school matriculation exams. Which is how I would describe my knowledge of biology. In high school they had learned that there is one Jewish nation, and, on the basis of this historical narrative, they reconstruct their scholarly findings."

"Their search for the origin of a common gene in order to characterize a people or a nation is very dangerous," says Sand. With several reservations, he cites the example of the Germans, "who also searched for a common component of blood ties." The historical irony, he emphasizes, is expressed in the fact that "whereas, in the past, anyone who defined the Jews as a race was vilified as an anti-Semite, today anyone who is unprepared to define them as a race is labeled an anti-Semite.

"I used to think," Sand adds, "that only in such disciplines as history and literature can facts be given various interpretations, but I then discovered that the same thing is done in genetics. It is very easy to showcase certain findings while marginalizing others and to present your study as scholarly research. In general, specialization in genetics can create an incredibly high level of ignorance in history."

http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week...ple-s-ultimate-treasure-hunt.premium-1.490539