A Slow But Steady Genocide

[montelatici]

It's interesting how the Palestinians, who called themselves Arabs, Jordanians, Syrians, Egyptians, anything but Palestinians or descendants of the ancient Jews, have suddenly out of thin air turned into these long forgotten "Jewish Palestinians." Who happen to be Muslim Arabs, out of mere coincidence. And, Who are more similar to Jews, than to their Arab neighbors! Ha ha ha ho ho hee hee hee!

That pig sure won't fly.

Do you actually believe that Europeans mostly from Germany and Eastern Europe are closer DNA-wise to the ancient Jews than the people that actually have lived in Palestine since before the birth of Jesus Christ? That's a heck of a leap.

 

[Roudy]

"Eh Monte, got news for you. The only indigenous Palestinians WERE JEWS. You see Monte, there were no Muslims at all until the 7th century AD, let alone any Muslim Palestinians. And the overwhelming number of today's "Paletinians" are squatters for generations already with no family deeds to the land they stole. "

There you go, posting propaganda.

As historians and DNA confirm, the Muslims and Christians of Palestine are descendants of the people that have lived there for over 2,000 years. At one time during the rule of Byzantium, before the Arab conquest, they were almost all Christians (the state religion) that converted from Judaism, Roman religions and others, and after the Arab conquest a great majority of these Christians converted to Islam, for obvious practical reasons. Some remained Christian and their offspring are the Palestinian Christians of today, mixed in with descendants of Crusader era Christians.

Do you include Jacob, Abraham, David and Solomon with all those people you mention as Muslims, Palestinians and Christians? Hell, those people and religions didn't even exist back in the days of the Elders. What kinds of history books were you taught from?

Well, you can study history or you can study fairy tales.

Looks like you're studying the fairy tales. Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

It's interesting how the Palestinians, who called themselves Arabs, Jordanians, Syrians, Egyptians, anything but Palestinians or descendants of the ancient Jews, have suddenly out of thin air turned into these long forgotten "Jewish Palestinians." Who happen to be Muslim Arabs, out of mere coincidence. And, Who are more similar to Jews, than to their Arab neighbors! Ha ha ha ho ho hee hee hee!

That pig sure won't fly.

Do you actually believe that Europeans mostly from Germany and Eastern Europe are closer DNA-wise to the ancient Jews than the people that actually have lived in Palestine since before the birth of Jesus Christ? That's a heck of a leap.

That's from YOUR link DUMBASS. Read what I posted, it's quoted directly from YOUR article, apparently you didn't even know what was in it!

Like I said, you guys aren't even able to keep up with your own bullshit.

Sounds like you need to called back in for retraining, your propaganda is just failed epically.

 

[Roudy]

It's interesting how the Palestinians, who called themselves Arabs, Jordanians, Syrians, Egyptians, anything but Palestinians or descendants of the ancient Jews, have suddenly out of thin air turned into these long forgotten "Jewish Palestinians." Who happen to be Muslim Arabs, out of mere coincidence. And, Who are more similar to Jews, than to their Arab neighbors! Ha ha ha ho ho hee hee hee!

That pig sure won't fly.

Do you actually believe that Europeans mostly from Germany and Eastern Europe are closer DNA-wise to the ancient Jews than the people that actually have lived in Palestine since before the birth of Jesus Christ? That's a heck of a leap.

I'll tell you what's a leap, the Muslim assertion that Jesus, Moses, Jacob, Abraham and David were MUSLIMS thousands of years before Islam was created by the moon god worshippers of Saudi Arabia. Now that's quite a doozy.

 

[montelatici]

It's interesting how the Palestinians, who called themselves Arabs, Jordanians, Syrians, Egyptians, anything but Palestinians or descendants of the ancient Jews, have suddenly out of thin air turned into these long forgotten "Jewish Palestinians." Who happen to be Muslim Arabs, out of mere coincidence. And, Who are more similar to Jews, than to their Arab neighbors! Ha ha ha ho ho hee hee hee!

That pig sure won't fly.

Do you actually believe that Europeans mostly from Germany and Eastern Europe are closer DNA-wise to the ancient Jews than the people that actually have lived in Palestine since before the birth of Jesus Christ? That's a heck of a leap.

I'll tell you what's a leap, the Muslim assertion that Jesus, Moses, Jacob, Abraham and David were MUSLIMS thousands of years before Islam was created by the moon god worshippers of Saudi Arabia. Now that's quite a doozy.

I don't believe any of that crap. My question was purely based on logic. Do you really believe that Europeans are closer DNA-wise to the ancient Jews, than the people actually living in the area of Palestine. That is the leap.

 

[aris2chat]

I didn't copy it. I wrote it. The historical record is easy to Google, nearly all historians agree. The DNA evidence is in long and boring papers, but here is a synthesis:

"What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations....Well, this basic story has been known for the best part of a decade now. But, perhaps unsurprisingly, it hasn't lead to the warring sides laying down their weapons and engaging in a group hug. This is a religious conflict, not a genetic one."


Epiphenom: The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians

So your source is unreliable bullshit propaganda, and even contradicts your own claims, no wonder you didn't post it initially:

"The overall conclusion is that the female Jewish line deviates a lot more from the Palestinian heritage than the male line, but the heritage is still there."

OOOOPS! Ha ha ha ha.

Bullshit? Hebrew University does bullshit research?

"The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians

The Times recently carried this unusual report on an Israeli Jew (Tsvi Misinai, a retired computer expert) who's hoping to prove that Palestinians are descended from Jews. Apparently, he thinks that proving this will help to stop the bloodshed. His idea is that modern Jews are descended from emigration in the first few centuries of the Christian era. The Jews who stayed put in Palestine converted to Islam, and became Palestinian Arabs. There's hope that genetic tests might be able to prove this.

Well, there is good news and bad news on that score.

The good news is that the genetics of Arabs and Jews have been pretty extensively researched. The classic study dates to 2000, from a team lead by Michael Hammer of University of Arizona. They looked at Y-chromosome haplotypes - this is the genetic material passed from father to son down the generations.

What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations (as shown in this figure).

Another team, lead by Almut Nebel at the Hebrew University, Jerusalem, took a closer look in 2001. They found that Jewish lineages essentially bracket Muslim Kurds, but they were also very closely related to Palestinians. In fact, what their analysis suggested was that Palestinians were identical to Jews, but with a small mix of Arab genes - what you would expect if they were originally from the same stock, but that Palestinians had mixed a little with Arab immigrants. They conclude:
We propose that the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews (Nebel et al. 2000). According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula...
So, as far as male lineage goes, the genetic story is very clear. Palestinians and Jews are virtually indistinguishable.

Epiphenom: The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians

>>According to a 2010 study by Behar et al. titled "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people", some Palestinians tested clustered genetically close to Bedouins, Jordanians and Saudi Arabians which could indicate a common ancestry or some recent ancestral influx from the Arabian Peninsula.
A study found that the Palestinians, like Jordanians, Syrians, Iraqis, Turks, and Kurds have what appears to be Female-Mediated gene flow in the form of Maternal DNA Haplogroups from Sub-Saharan Africa. Of the 117 Palestinian individuals tested, 15 carried maternal haplogroups that originated in Sub-Saharan Africa. These results are consistent with female migration from eastern Africa into Near Eastern communities within the last few thousand years. There have been many opportunities for such migrations during this period. However, the most likely explanation for the presence of predominantly female lineages of African origin in these areas is that they may trace back to women brought from Africa as part of the Arab slave trade, assimilated into the areas under Arab rule as a result of miscegenation and manumission<<
Extensive Female-Mediated Gene Flow from Sub-Saharan Africa into Near Eastern Arab Populations

 

[Hossfly]

So your source is unreliable bullshit propaganda, and even contradicts your own claims, no wonder you didn't post it initially:

"The overall conclusion is that the female Jewish line deviates a lot more from the Palestinian heritage than the male line, but the heritage is still there."

OOOOPS! Ha ha ha ha.

Bullshit? Hebrew University does bullshit research?

"The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians

The Times recently carried this unusual report on an Israeli Jew (Tsvi Misinai, a retired computer expert) who's hoping to prove that Palestinians are descended from Jews. Apparently, he thinks that proving this will help to stop the bloodshed. His idea is that modern Jews are descended from emigration in the first few centuries of the Christian era. The Jews who stayed put in Palestine converted to Islam, and became Palestinian Arabs. There's hope that genetic tests might be able to prove this.

Well, there is good news and bad news on that score.

The good news is that the genetics of Arabs and Jews have been pretty extensively researched. The classic study dates to 2000, from a team lead by Michael Hammer of University of Arizona. They looked at Y-chromosome haplotypes - this is the genetic material passed from father to son down the generations.

What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations (as shown in this figure).

Another team, lead by Almut Nebel at the Hebrew University, Jerusalem, took a closer look in 2001. They found that Jewish lineages essentially bracket Muslim Kurds, but they were also very closely related to Palestinians. In fact, what their analysis suggested was that Palestinians were identical to Jews, but with a small mix of Arab genes - what you would expect if they were originally from the same stock, but that Palestinians had mixed a little with Arab immigrants. They conclude:
We propose that the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews (Nebel et al. 2000). According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula...
So, as far as male lineage goes, the genetic story is very clear. Palestinians and Jews are virtually indistinguishable.

Epiphenom: The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians

>>According to a 2010 study by Behar et al. titled "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people", some Palestinians tested clustered genetically close to Bedouins, Jordanians and Saudi Arabians which could indicate a common ancestry or some recent ancestral influx from the Arabian Peninsula.
A study found that the Palestinians, like Jordanians, Syrians, Iraqis, Turks, and Kurds have what appears to be Female-Mediated gene flow in the form of Maternal DNA Haplogroups from Sub-Saharan Africa. Of the 117 Palestinian individuals tested, 15 carried maternal haplogroups that originated in Sub-Saharan Africa. These results are consistent with female migration from eastern Africa into Near Eastern communities within the last few thousand years. There have been many opportunities for such migrations during this period. However, the most likely explanation for the presence of predominantly female lineages of African origin in these areas is that they may trace back to women brought from Africa as part of the Arab slave trade, assimilated into the areas under Arab rule as a result of miscegenation and manumission<<
Extensive Female-Mediated Gene Flow from Sub-Saharan Africa into Near Eastern Arab Populations

That shoots down Monte's findings. That's an unimpeachable source.

 

[MJB12741]

Ya gotta love Monte. He is so funny.

It's interesting how the Palestinians, who called themselves Arabs, Jordanians, Syrians, Egyptians, anything but Palestinians or descendants of the ancient Jews, have suddenly out of thin air turned into these long forgotten "Jewish Palestinians." Who happen to be Muslim Arabs, out of mere coincidence. And, Who are more similar to Jews, than to their Arab neighbors! Ha ha ha ho ho hee hee hee!

That pig sure won't fly.

Do you actually believe that Europeans mostly from Germany and Eastern Europe are closer DNA-wise to the ancient Jews than the people that actually have lived in Palestine since before the birth of Jesus Christ? That's a heck of a leap.

I'll tell you what's a leap, the Muslim assertion that Jesus, Moses, Jacob, Abraham and David were MUSLIMS thousands of years before Islam was created by the moon god worshippers of Saudi Arabia. Now that's quite a doozy.

 

[Hossfly]

Ya gotta love Monte. He is so funny.

Do you actually believe that Europeans mostly from Germany and Eastern Europe are closer DNA-wise to the ancient Jews than the people that actually have lived in Palestine since before the birth of Jesus Christ? That's a heck of a leap.

I'll tell you what's a leap, the Muslim assertion that Jesus, Moses, Jacob, Abraham and David were MUSLIMS thousands of years before Islam was created by the moon god worshippers of Saudi Arabia. Now that's quite a doozy.

Almost as funny as a heart attack.

 

[Ronin]

I don't need to blame anyone when the evidence is there for all to see. The drivers delivering food to gaza fired at so that hamas can blame Israel for the non arrival. The food sold elsewhere so that hamas can buy weapons while their people starve. The concrete used to build tunnels and not shelters for the children. The green houses left for the Palestinians to grow food that were used as rocket launch sites and to hide tunnels.

Did you make that up yourself or did you get it from an Israeli propaganda site?

do people not read the news. I understand most have probably not actually seen with their own eyes what is happening, but don't you follow what has been going on?

It must be a bad week, I feel like I stepped into a really weird episode of the twilight zone or dragged too many times on to the mad hatter ride as Disney.

Its difficult to find reporting unbiased on either side.

 

[Ronin]

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According to the OT which if these is descends from the chosen and which from "the ass of humanity/men"?

 

[Roudy]

Do you actually believe that Europeans mostly from Germany and Eastern Europe are closer DNA-wise to the ancient Jews than the people that actually have lived in Palestine since before the birth of Jesus Christ? That's a heck of a leap.

I'll tell you what's a leap, the Muslim assertion that Jesus, Moses, Jacob, Abraham and David were MUSLIMS thousands of years before Islam was created by the moon god worshippers of Saudi Arabia. Now that's quite a doozy.

I don't believe any of that crap. My question was purely based on logic. Do you really believe that Europeans are closer DNA-wise to the ancient Jews, than the people actually living in the area of Palestine. That is the leap.

Your own article says so. Why don't you read it instead of posting it like a robot. Problem is you don't even care what you post says, you're out to prove something because you're a Muslim convert out on some kind of stupid internet jihad mission. LOL That said, yes, I believe the European Jews are closer genetically than Arabs, because I have seen many European Jews that look like Middle Eastern Jews or Semetic features.

And here are few, notice the semetic features in all three:

 

[Ronin]

My history may be off, but as I understand- people of Hebrew descent originated in the same region as Assyrian-Babylonian), Amharic, Ammonite, Amorite, Arabic, Aramaic/Syriac, Canaanite/Phoenician/Carthaginian, Chaldean, Eblaite, Edomite, Ge'ez, , Maltese, Mandaic, Moabite, Sutean, Tigre and Tigrinya, and Ugaritic among others. Arabs are a semetic people.

However, there is no doubt migration and breeding occurred with Euro-Scandinavians.

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Jews which look Arab may not be common in America or Europe, but the middle-east in general. By their own beliefs Jewish people and Arabs share the same tie to Abraham.

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As far as Islam goes: I think its as worthless and destructive as any of the other organized religions of the world.

 

[MJB12741]

Fine but what a difference a religion makes for semitic peoples. While Israeli's chant L'Chaim, Palestinians blow themselves up along with their own children to protest the Israeli's praise for life.

My history may be off, but as I understand- people of Hebrew descent originated in the same region as Assyrian-Babylonian), Amharic, Ammonite, Amorite, Arabic, Aramaic/Syriac, Canaanite/Phoenician/Carthaginian, Chaldean, Eblaite, Edomite, Ge'ez, , Maltese, Mandaic, Moabite, Sutean, Tigre and Tigrinya, and Ugaritic among others. Arabs are a semetic people.

However, there is no doubt migration and breeding occurred with Euro-Scandinavians.

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Jews which look Arab may not be common in America or Europe, but the middle-east in general. By their own beliefs Jewish people and Arabs share the same tie to Abraham.

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As far as Islam goes: I think its as worthless and destructive as any of the other organized religions of the world.

 

[Roudy]

Palestinians chant "inshallah next year we blow ourselves up!" Do these guys look "European"? I'd say they look more Semetic / Middle Eastern than European / Anglo Saxon:

 

[Billo_Really]

Gazans are not starving.

What's that based on?

If you're talking about the rich, you're probably right; if you're talking about the majority, you're definitely wrong.

Humanitarian Disaster in Gaza: “People are crying, hungry, thirsty, and desperate”

Food is a big problem. The people in Gaza like all other people need access to good quality balanced food to live healthy lives. Our medical director said: “In Gaza, we have lots of anemic women and malnourished children. He added: “There is no milk, meat, cheese, yogurt or anything that requires refrigeration. This is a terrible situation. We do not know what to do.” The food that is available also cannot just be eaten alone. To cook rice or hummus or to make bread, you need water and a means to cook the food. This was highlighted by the people at the World Food Program who pointed out those basic foodstuffs like flour or hummus cannot be consumed without the ability to add water and cook them.

You can't eat the fish, until you catch the fish. And you can't catch the fish, if the IDF keeps shooting at your fishermen. You can't eat what you grow, until you harvest your field. And you can't harvest your field, if the IDF keeps shooting at your farmers. So how the **** are you supposed to eat?

However in Syria the palestinians have been starved to death. Pictures of emaciated bodies are horrific

Who are you? Sally?

You don't have a valid argument, so you want to hijack the thread and change the subject?

 

[toastman]

Gazans are not starving.

What's that based on?

If you're talking about the rich, you're probably right; if you're talking about the majority, you're definitely wrong.

Humanitarian Disaster in Gaza: “People are crying, hungry, thirsty, and desperate”

Food is a big problem. The people in Gaza like all other people need access to good quality balanced food to live healthy lives. Our medical director said: “In Gaza, we have lots of anemic women and malnourished children. He added: “There is no milk, meat, cheese, yogurt or anything that requires refrigeration. This is a terrible situation. We do not know what to do.” The food that is available also cannot just be eaten alone. To cook rice or hummus or to make bread, you need water and a means to cook the food. This was highlighted by the people at the World Food Program who pointed out those basic foodstuffs like flour or hummus cannot be consumed without the ability to add water and cook them.

You can't eat the fish, until you catch the fish. And you can't catch the fish, if the IDF keeps shooting at your fishermen. You can't eat what you grow, until you harvest your field. And you can't harvest your field, if the IDF keeps shooting at your farmers. So how the **** are you supposed to eat?

However in Syria the palestinians have been starved to death. Pictures of emaciated bodies are horrific

Who are you? Sally?

You don't have a valid argument, so you want to hijack the thread and change the subject?

Funny how you lie again about how farmers and fisherman KEEP (this is the jey word) getting shot at, yet you only provided like 2 videos.

Can you prove that Gazans are not getting enough fish and crops because Israel keeps shooting at them!!

BTW, there are also Israeli children who are not getting enough nutrition. I recently read an article about it on JPost.

 

[Billo_Really]

Funny how you lie again about how farmers and fisherman KEEP (this is the jey word) getting shot at, yet you only provided like 2 videos.

Can you prove that Gazans are not getting enough fish and crops because Israel keeps shooting at them!!

Of coarse I can!

Israel’s Genocidal War on Palestine

Less than 24 hours after conflict ended, Israeli soldiers killed one Palestinian. Another 19 were injured.

On November 25, three more Palestinians were shot.

On November 26, another four Palestinians were injured. Soldiers opened fire on them. They threatened no one.

Since November 22, 15 fishermen were accosted at sea. Naval vessels used live fire.

Boats were damaged and confiscated or destroyed. Fishermen on board were arrested, detained, and interrogated.

You can Google the rest. It's pretty common.

BTW, there are also Israeli children who are not getting enough nutrition. I recently read an article about it on JPost.

Their parents are probably members of the Israeli left? It's pretty sad, starving leftist children. They deserve to eat, more than their right wing counterparts.

I take that last part back. Right wing children deserve to eat too.

 

[toastman]

Funny how you lie again about how farmers and fisherman KEEP (this is the jey word) getting shot at, yet you only provided like 2 videos.

Can you prove that Gazans are not getting enough fish and crops because Israel keeps shooting at them!!

Of coarse I can!

Israel&#8217;s Genocidal War on Palestine

Less than 24 hours after conflict ended, Israeli soldiers killed one Palestinian. Another 19 were injured.

On November 25, three more Palestinians were shot.

On November 26, another four Palestinians were injured. Soldiers opened fire on them. They threatened no one.

Since November 22, 15 fishermen were accosted at sea. Naval vessels used live fire.

Boats were damaged and confiscated or destroyed. Fishermen on board were arrested, detained, and interrogated.

You can Google the rest. It's pretty common.

BTW, there are also Israeli children who are not getting enough nutrition. I recently read an article about it on JPost.

Their parents are probably members of the Israeli left? It's pretty sad, starving leftist children. They deserve to eat, more than their right wing counterparts.

I take that last part back. Right wing children deserve to eat too.

Again, you are showing me a few incidents. Gaza fisherman go out every day. Gazan farmers farm everyday.
Your comment that 'fisherman can't fish and farmers can't farm without getting shot at' is a lie. Maybe you should correct it, this time without the exaggeration..
And Globalresearch?? Really? Did you happen to notice that propaganda picture in the beginning of the article? And the title of the article? You Israel haters will believe anything as long as it vilifies Israel!


About the Israeli children not getting enough nutrition, it has nothing to do with left or right wing. My point was that every country has children who are not getting nutrition.

 

[MJB12741]

Oh yes, what about those "Starving Gazans"? You are so silly. Please post more often. Heh Heh.

CAMERA Snapshots: Danish Report: No Food Crisis in Gaza

Gazans are not starving.

What's that based on?

If you're talking about the rich, you're probably right; if you're talking about the majority, you're definitely wrong.

Humanitarian Disaster in Gaza: “People are crying, hungry, thirsty, and desperate”

Food is a big problem. The people in Gaza like all other people need access to good quality balanced food to live healthy lives. Our medical director said: “In Gaza, we have lots of anemic women and malnourished children. He added: “There is no milk, meat, cheese, yogurt or anything that requires refrigeration. This is a terrible situation. We do not know what to do.” The food that is available also cannot just be eaten alone. To cook rice or hummus or to make bread, you need water and a means to cook the food. This was highlighted by the people at the World Food Program who pointed out those basic foodstuffs like flour or hummus cannot be consumed without the ability to add water and cook them.

You can't eat the fish, until you catch the fish. And you can't catch the fish, if the IDF keeps shooting at your fishermen. You can't eat what you grow, until you harvest your field. And you can't harvest your field, if the IDF keeps shooting at your farmers. So how the **** are you supposed to eat?

However in Syria the palestinians have been starved to death. Pictures of emaciated bodies are horrific

Who are you? Sally?

You don't have a valid argument, so you want to hijack the thread and change the subject?