A Religious Worldview.....'Childish'

[Moonglow]

On Dec. 30, 1922, Russia and three other republics formed the constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

On This Day The USSR Is Born

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. It does seem to be a human-nature parlor-game, trying to picture a better world...and, since the secularist French Revolution, this imagining has been premised on a lack of religion.

a. "There are those that look at things the way they are, and askwhy?I dream of things that never were, and ask why not ? " Attributed to Robert Kennedy.


b. Or, from the words of John Lennon’s song, “Imagine” one is asked to imagine that there is no heaven or hell, that everyone lives for today; that there are no countries, nothing to kill for, and no religion; there are no possessions- therefore no greed nor hunger.

{Lennon stated: "'Imagine', which says: 'Imagine that there was no more religion, no more country, no more politics,'is virtually the Communist manifesto,even though I'm not particularly a Communist and I do not belong to any movement."}
Imagine (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




c. Traditionalists don’t dream of things that never were nearly so much as Liberals do. We usually dream the same dream that our forefathers did: an America that is identified by the “American Trinity” of “Liberty,” “In God We Trust,” and “E Pluribus Unum.” And, judging by history, we have seen that ‘utopian dreams’ are more likely to end up as nightmares.
Dennis Prager




7. Why were Robert Kennedy and John Lennon wrong?

Because their view is simplistic, childish.....and impossible. Yet totalists believe that coercion, force, government pressure can bring about the impossible.

a. “Culture is a stubborn opponent. The Soviet Union attempted to create the New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture.”
Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 198

 

[turzovka]

1. Actually....it's a question. 'Whose worldview is defined, characterized, by naive and impossible terms?'
Whose?



Now, I don't see any religious posters demanding that every person bend their knee to God, or attacking those who don't. But, daily, the bitter-haters go out of their way to denigrate believers, as believing in an 'invisible pixie in the sky," or as 'Bible-thumpers,' or using the pejorative 'Gawd.'

And here is the salient point: the majority of the sneering cult seem not to recognize not just a childishness of their own beliefs...
....but the downright danger to humanity of them.




2. Most of those jeering are totalitarians, mostly of the Liberal persuasion.
Theirs, the opposite view to the religious one, is Leftism....a religion unto itself.
The 'Left' would include every totalitarian belief, every political doctrine that stems from materialism/Marxism, that finds 'economic inequality' more important than identifying good and evil.

'Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.'
Prager, chapter 1, “Still The Best Hope”



a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too." The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.


b. 'There is no God':
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."

If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses. When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report Essays

c. “Marxism reduced man to his animal wants and material needs….Marxism was a downward step from the human to the animal- a descent from civilization into barbarism, which is to say, from the worship of God to the worship of material things.”
Berman, “Terror and Liberalism,” p. 79.




The importance of religion, here, is that it give the value to human life, beginning in the idea of man created in God's image, and, therefore, each man's life is sacred.....as opposed to the materialism of communism, which shares no such concept.
Compare that view with this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

Calling such a view 'childish' would be far too kind.

That was a very good insightful summary, thanks.

I am not a date setter (most Catholics are not) but does it not seem as though this world can not last much longer? Everywhere one looks the trends are bad, be it morals or war or economic potential collapse. Just the way people think of themselves and fail to think of others is a disturbing place to be.

The antidote will never be to convert the heathens, there will always be that "honorable" opposition. The only hope is for believers to truly take God seriously in their lives. We are not! Surely not in the more affluent Western nations. We are those materialistic, hedonistic denizens pretty much on the sidelines. Like I said, I am prayerful but not optimistic.

 

[PoliticalChic]

On Dec. 30, 1922, Russia and three other republics formed the constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

On This Day The USSR Is Born

OK...stop whining and I'll show you why you're a moron....although, heaven knows, you should be aware of it by now.


distinction without a difference
phrase of distinction

1. an artificially created distinction where no real difference exists. Google

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

1. Actually....it's a question. 'Whose worldview is defined, characterized, by naive and impossible terms?'
Whose?



Now, I don't see any religious posters demanding that every person bend their knee to God, or attacking those who don't. But, daily, the bitter-haters go out of their way to denigrate believers, as believing in an 'invisible pixie in the sky," or as 'Bible-thumpers,' or using the pejorative 'Gawd.'

And here is the salient point: the majority of the sneering cult seem not to recognize not just a childishness of their own beliefs...
....but the downright danger to humanity of them.




2. Most of those jeering are totalitarians, mostly of the Liberal persuasion.
Theirs, the opposite view to the religious one, is Leftism....a religion unto itself.
The 'Left' would include every totalitarian belief, every political doctrine that stems from materialism/Marxism, that finds 'economic inequality' more important than identifying good and evil.

'Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.'
Prager, chapter 1, “Still The Best Hope”



a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too." The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.


b. 'There is no God':
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."

If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses. When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report Essays

c. “Marxism reduced man to his animal wants and material needs….Marxism was a downward step from the human to the animal- a descent from civilization into barbarism, which is to say, from the worship of God to the worship of material things.”
Berman, “Terror and Liberalism,” p. 79.




The importance of religion, here, is that it give the value to human life, beginning in the idea of man created in God's image, and, therefore, each man's life is sacred.....as opposed to the materialism of communism, which shares no such concept.
Compare that view with this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

Calling such a view 'childish' would be far too kind.

So, what do you call conservatives who are also atheists?

Another failed thread from the OP.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Actually....it's a question. 'Whose worldview is defined, characterized, by naive and impossible terms?'
Whose?



Now, I don't see any religious posters demanding that every person bend their knee to God, or attacking those who don't. But, daily, the bitter-haters go out of their way to denigrate believers, as believing in an 'invisible pixie in the sky," or as 'Bible-thumpers,' or using the pejorative 'Gawd.'

And here is the salient point: the majority of the sneering cult seem not to recognize not just a childishness of their own beliefs...
....but the downright danger to humanity of them.


2. Most of those jeering are totalitarians, mostly of the Liberal persuasion.
Theirs, the opposite view to the religious one, is Leftism....a religion unto itself.
The 'Left' would include every totalitarian belief, every political doctrine that stems from materialism/Marxism, that finds 'economic inequality' more important than identifying good and evil.

'Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.'
Prager, chapter 1, “Still The Best Hope”



a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too." The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.


b. 'There is no God':
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."

If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses. When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report Essays

c. “Marxism reduced man to his animal wants and material needs….Marxism was a downward step from the human to the animal- a descent from civilization into barbarism, which is to say, from the worship of God to the worship of material things.”
Berman, “Terror and Liberalism,” p. 79.




The importance of religion, here, is that it give the value to human life, beginning in the idea of man created in God's image, and, therefore, each man's life is sacred.....as opposed to the materialism of communism, which shares no such concept.
Compare that view with this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

Calling such a view 'childish' would be far too kind.

That was a very good insightful summary, thanks.

I am not a date setter (most Catholics are not) but does it not seem as though this world can not last much longer? Everywhere one looks the trends are bad, be it morals or war or economic potential collapse. Just the way people think of themselves and fail to think of others is a disturbing place to be.

The antidote will never be to convert the heathens, there will always be that "honorable" opposition. The only hope is for believers to truly take God seriously in their lives. We are not! Surely not in the more affluent Western nations. We are those materialistic, hedonistic denizens pretty much on the sidelines. Like I said, I am prayerful but not optimistic.

I'm even less optimistic than you are.

If the media is to be believed, there are some 65,915,796 morons who voted for a proven incompetent anti-American values demagogue.

The tipping point has been eclipsed....and we are simply basking in the afterglow of this once great nation.

 

[Moonglow]

Lenin was also part of the 1905 revolution ...Asking for changes to the system and trying to work in unison with the Czar....The Czar allowed the Duma, yet with no funding since the Czar controlled the purse strings, so no real reforms could be made before yet again, another revolution occurred.......
But yet there was another revolution before 1905...
in 1861 Russian leaders would give false hope to peasants by a land redistribution act which did not give the peasants anything to cheer about..They could buy land but the land was still held by the govt..and could never be owned....
The czars manged to create the hostile involvement that fomented revolutions in Russia..It's not like they just got up one day and decided to revolt and had no specific plan or demands in mind....

 

[Moonglow]

1. Actually....it's a question. 'Whose worldview is defined, characterized, by naive and impossible terms?'
Whose?



Now, I don't see any religious posters demanding that every person bend their knee to God, or attacking those who don't. But, daily, the bitter-haters go out of their way to denigrate believers, as believing in an 'invisible pixie in the sky," or as 'Bible-thumpers,' or using the pejorative 'Gawd.'

And here is the salient point: the majority of the sneering cult seem not to recognize not just a childishness of their own beliefs...
....but the downright danger to humanity of them.


2. Most of those jeering are totalitarians, mostly of the Liberal persuasion.
Theirs, the opposite view to the religious one, is Leftism....a religion unto itself.
The 'Left' would include every totalitarian belief, every political doctrine that stems from materialism/Marxism, that finds 'economic inequality' more important than identifying good and evil.

'Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.'
Prager, chapter 1, “Still The Best Hope”



a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too." The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.


b. 'There is no God':
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."

If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses. When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report Essays

c. “Marxism reduced man to his animal wants and material needs….Marxism was a downward step from the human to the animal- a descent from civilization into barbarism, which is to say, from the worship of God to the worship of material things.”
Berman, “Terror and Liberalism,” p. 79.




The importance of religion, here, is that it give the value to human life, beginning in the idea of man created in God's image, and, therefore, each man's life is sacred.....as opposed to the materialism of communism, which shares no such concept.
Compare that view with this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

Calling such a view 'childish' would be far too kind.

That was a very good insightful summary, thanks.

I am not a date setter (most Catholics are not) but does it not seem as though this world can not last much longer? Everywhere one looks the trends are bad, be it morals or war or economic potential collapse. Just the way people think of themselves and fail to think of others is a disturbing place to be.

The antidote will never be to convert the heathens, there will always be that "honorable" opposition. The only hope is for believers to truly take God seriously in their lives. We are not! Surely not in the more affluent Western nations. We are those materialistic, hedonistic denizens pretty much on the sidelines. Like I said, I am prayerful but not optimistic.

I'm even less optimistic than you are.

If the media is to be believed, there are some 65,915,796 morons who voted for a proven incompetent anti-American values demagogue.

The tipping point has been eclipsed....and we are simply basking in the afterglow of this once great nation.

To losers like yourself it does seem like a once great nation, but it still is a great nation....

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

4. 'In 1917 a new state came into existence, the Soviet Union, whose premises were a radical departure from those of previous societies. Many Western intellectuals seriously misjudged that new state—what it was and what it was to become. Why? I submit they were overwhelmed by the enormous theoretical appeal of the development of a "new man."
The USSR was not established until 1922...

Please don’t confuse conservatives with facts, thanks.

 

[Moonglow]

6. It does seem to be a human-nature parlor-game, trying to picture a better world...and, since the secularist French Revolution, this imagining has been premised on a lack of religion.

a. "There are those that look at things the way they are, and askwhy?I dream of things that never were, and ask why not ? " Attributed to Robert Kennedy.


b. Or, from the words of John Lennon’s song, “Imagine” one is asked to imagine that there is no heaven or hell, that everyone lives for today; that there are no countries, nothing to kill for, and no religion; there are no possessions- therefore no greed nor hunger.

{Lennon stated: "'Imagine', which says: 'Imagine that there was no more religion, no more country, no more politics,'is virtually the Communist manifesto,even though I'm not particularly a Communist and I do not belong to any movement."}
Imagine (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




c. Traditionalists don’t dream of things that never were nearly so much as Liberals do. We usually dream the same dream that our forefathers did: an America that is identified by the “American Trinity” of “Liberty,” “In God We Trust,” and “E Pluribus Unum.” And, judging by history, we have seen that ‘utopian dreams’ are more likely to end up as nightmares.
Dennis Prager




7. Why were Robert Kennedy and John Lennon wrong?

Because their view is simplistic, childish.....and impossible. Yet totalists believe that coercion, force, government pressure can bring about the impossible.

a. “Culture is a stubborn opponent. The Soviet Union attempted to create the New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture.”
Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 198

This already existed in Czarist Russia...

 

[Moonglow]

4. 'In 1917 a new state came into existence, the Soviet Union, whose premises were a radical departure from those of previous societies. Many Western intellectuals seriously misjudged that new state—what it was and what it was to become. Why? I submit they were overwhelmed by the enormous theoretical appeal of the development of a "new man."
The USSR was not established until 1922...

Please don’t confuse conservatives with facts, thanks.

Personality disorders are my fav to fap with....

 

[turzovka]

1. Actually....it's a question. 'Whose worldview is defined, characterized, by naive and impossible terms?'
Whose?



Now, I don't see any religious posters demanding that every person bend their knee to God, or attacking those who don't. But, daily, the bitter-haters go out of their way to denigrate believers, as believing in an 'invisible pixie in the sky," or as 'Bible-thumpers,' or using the pejorative 'Gawd.'

And here is the salient point: the majority of the sneering cult seem not to recognize not just a childishness of their own beliefs...
....but the downright danger to humanity of them.


2. Most of those jeering are totalitarians, mostly of the Liberal persuasion.
Theirs, the opposite view to the religious one, is Leftism....a religion unto itself.
The 'Left' would include every totalitarian belief, every political doctrine that stems from materialism/Marxism, that finds 'economic inequality' more important than identifying good and evil.

'Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.'
Prager, chapter 1, “Still The Best Hope”



a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too." The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.


b. 'There is no God':
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."

If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses. When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report Essays

c. “Marxism reduced man to his animal wants and material needs….Marxism was a downward step from the human to the animal- a descent from civilization into barbarism, which is to say, from the worship of God to the worship of material things.”
Berman, “Terror and Liberalism,” p. 79.




The importance of religion, here, is that it give the value to human life, beginning in the idea of man created in God's image, and, therefore, each man's life is sacred.....as opposed to the materialism of communism, which shares no such concept.
Compare that view with this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

Calling such a view 'childish' would be far too kind.

That was a very good insightful summary, thanks.

I am not a date setter (most Catholics are not) but does it not seem as though this world can not last much longer? Everywhere one looks the trends are bad, be it morals or war or economic potential collapse. Just the way people think of themselves and fail to think of others is a disturbing place to be.

The antidote will never be to convert the heathens, there will always be that "honorable" opposition. The only hope is for believers to truly take God seriously in their lives. We are not! Surely not in the more affluent Western nations. We are those materialistic, hedonistic denizens pretty much on the sidelines. Like I said, I am prayerful but not optimistic.

I'm even less optimistic than you are.

If the media is to be believed, there are some 65,915,796 morons who voted for a proven incompetent anti-American values demagogue.

The tipping point has been eclipsed....and we are simply basking in the afterglow of this once great nation.

And I am even less optimistic than what I implied or even you. : )

The salient fact you note above speaks volumes, imo. Anyone who thinks President Obama is anything but a useful idiot is one themselves.

But it is the lack of morals and adherence to God in this nation (by christians!) which is the most disturbing fact for me.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Actually....it's a question. 'Whose worldview is defined, characterized, by naive and impossible terms?'
Whose?



Now, I don't see any religious posters demanding that every person bend their knee to God, or attacking those who don't. But, daily, the bitter-haters go out of their way to denigrate believers, as believing in an 'invisible pixie in the sky," or as 'Bible-thumpers,' or using the pejorative 'Gawd.'

And here is the salient point: the majority of the sneering cult seem not to recognize not just a childishness of their own beliefs...
....but the downright danger to humanity of them.




2. Most of those jeering are totalitarians, mostly of the Liberal persuasion.
Theirs, the opposite view to the religious one, is Leftism....a religion unto itself.
The 'Left' would include every totalitarian belief, every political doctrine that stems from materialism/Marxism, that finds 'economic inequality' more important than identifying good and evil.

'Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.'
Prager, chapter 1, “Still The Best Hope”



a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too." The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.


b. 'There is no God':
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."

If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses. When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report Essays

c. “Marxism reduced man to his animal wants and material needs….Marxism was a downward step from the human to the animal- a descent from civilization into barbarism, which is to say, from the worship of God to the worship of material things.”
Berman, “Terror and Liberalism,” p. 79.




The importance of religion, here, is that it give the value to human life, beginning in the idea of man created in God's image, and, therefore, each man's life is sacred.....as opposed to the materialism of communism, which shares no such concept.
Compare that view with this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

Calling such a view 'childish' would be far too kind.

So, what do you call conservatives who are also atheists?

Another failed thread from the OP.

I've always wondered how morons like you can offer a vapid, boring, tedious non-post, and feel satisfied.

You never bring anything to the table....and amble away muttering 'duh...yup. a..yup....'

Is it because you know you're working up to your ability?



Certainly commensurate with your job, as greeter at Wal-Mart.

 

[Moonglow]

1. Actually....it's a question. 'Whose worldview is defined, characterized, by naive and impossible terms?'
Whose?



Now, I don't see any religious posters demanding that every person bend their knee to God, or attacking those who don't. But, daily, the bitter-haters go out of their way to denigrate believers, as believing in an 'invisible pixie in the sky," or as 'Bible-thumpers,' or using the pejorative 'Gawd.'

And here is the salient point: the majority of the sneering cult seem not to recognize not just a childishness of their own beliefs...
....but the downright danger to humanity of them.


2. Most of those jeering are totalitarians, mostly of the Liberal persuasion.
Theirs, the opposite view to the religious one, is Leftism....a religion unto itself.
The 'Left' would include every totalitarian belief, every political doctrine that stems from materialism/Marxism, that finds 'economic inequality' more important than identifying good and evil.

'Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.'
Prager, chapter 1, “Still The Best Hope”



a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too." The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.


b. 'There is no God':
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."

If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses. When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report Essays

c. “Marxism reduced man to his animal wants and material needs….Marxism was a downward step from the human to the animal- a descent from civilization into barbarism, which is to say, from the worship of God to the worship of material things.”
Berman, “Terror and Liberalism,” p. 79.




The importance of religion, here, is that it give the value to human life, beginning in the idea of man created in God's image, and, therefore, each man's life is sacred.....as opposed to the materialism of communism, which shares no such concept.
Compare that view with this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

Calling such a view 'childish' would be far too kind.

That was a very good insightful summary, thanks.

I am not a date setter (most Catholics are not) but does it not seem as though this world can not last much longer? Everywhere one looks the trends are bad, be it morals or war or economic potential collapse. Just the way people think of themselves and fail to think of others is a disturbing place to be.

The antidote will never be to convert the heathens, there will always be that "honorable" opposition. The only hope is for believers to truly take God seriously in their lives. We are not! Surely not in the more affluent Western nations. We are those materialistic, hedonistic denizens pretty much on the sidelines. Like I said, I am prayerful but not optimistic.

I'm even less optimistic than you are.

If the media is to be believed, there are some 65,915,796 morons who voted for a proven incompetent anti-American values demagogue.

The tipping point has been eclipsed....and we are simply basking in the afterglow of this once great nation.

And I am even less optimistic than what I implied or even you. : )

The salient fact you note above speaks volumes, imo. Anyone who thinks President Obama is anything but a useful idiot is one themselves.

But it is the lack of morals and adherence to God in this nation (by christians!) which is the most disturbing fact for me.

There are no perfect Christians....

 

[turzovka]

1. Actually....it's a question. 'Whose worldview is defined, characterized, by naive and impossible terms?'
Whose?



Now, I don't see any religious posters demanding that every person bend their knee to God, or attacking those who don't. But, daily, the bitter-haters go out of their way to denigrate believers, as believing in an 'invisible pixie in the sky," or as 'Bible-thumpers,' or using the pejorative 'Gawd.'

And here is the salient point: the majority of the sneering cult seem not to recognize not just a childishness of their own beliefs...
....but the downright danger to humanity of them.


2. Most of those jeering are totalitarians, mostly of the Liberal persuasion.
Theirs, the opposite view to the religious one, is Leftism....a religion unto itself.
The 'Left' would include every totalitarian belief, every political doctrine that stems from materialism/Marxism, that finds 'economic inequality' more important than identifying good and evil.

'Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.'
Prager, chapter 1, “Still The Best Hope”



a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too." The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.


b. 'There is no God':
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."

If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses. When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report Essays

c. “Marxism reduced man to his animal wants and material needs….Marxism was a downward step from the human to the animal- a descent from civilization into barbarism, which is to say, from the worship of God to the worship of material things.”
Berman, “Terror and Liberalism,” p. 79.




The importance of religion, here, is that it give the value to human life, beginning in the idea of man created in God's image, and, therefore, each man's life is sacred.....as opposed to the materialism of communism, which shares no such concept.
Compare that view with this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

Calling such a view 'childish' would be far too kind.

That was a very good insightful summary, thanks.

I am not a date setter (most Catholics are not) but does it not seem as though this world can not last much longer? Everywhere one looks the trends are bad, be it morals or war or economic potential collapse. Just the way people think of themselves and fail to think of others is a disturbing place to be.

The antidote will never be to convert the heathens, there will always be that "honorable" opposition. The only hope is for believers to truly take God seriously in their lives. We are not! Surely not in the more affluent Western nations. We are those materialistic, hedonistic denizens pretty much on the sidelines. Like I said, I am prayerful but not optimistic.

I'm even less optimistic than you are.

If the media is to be believed, there are some 65,915,796 morons who voted for a proven incompetent anti-American values demagogue.

The tipping point has been eclipsed....and we are simply basking in the afterglow of this once great nation.

And I am even less optimistic than what I implied or even you. : )

The salient fact you note above speaks volumes, imo. Anyone who thinks President Obama is anything but a useful idiot is one themselves.

But it is the lack of morals and adherence to God in this nation (by christians!) which is the most disturbing fact for me.

There are no perfect Christians....

So since no one is perfect it apparently makes no difference to you how imperfect one is.

 

[Moonglow]

1. Actually....it's a question. 'Whose worldview is defined, characterized, by naive and impossible terms?'
Whose?



Now, I don't see any religious posters demanding that every person bend their knee to God, or attacking those who don't. But, daily, the bitter-haters go out of their way to denigrate believers, as believing in an 'invisible pixie in the sky," or as 'Bible-thumpers,' or using the pejorative 'Gawd.'

And here is the salient point: the majority of the sneering cult seem not to recognize not just a childishness of their own beliefs...
....but the downright danger to humanity of them.


2. Most of those jeering are totalitarians, mostly of the Liberal persuasion.
Theirs, the opposite view to the religious one, is Leftism....a religion unto itself.
The 'Left' would include every totalitarian belief, every political doctrine that stems from materialism/Marxism, that finds 'economic inequality' more important than identifying good and evil.

'Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.'
Prager, chapter 1, “Still The Best Hope”



a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too." The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.


b. 'There is no God':
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."

If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses. When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report Essays

c. “Marxism reduced man to his animal wants and material needs….Marxism was a downward step from the human to the animal- a descent from civilization into barbarism, which is to say, from the worship of God to the worship of material things.”
Berman, “Terror and Liberalism,” p. 79.




The importance of religion, here, is that it give the value to human life, beginning in the idea of man created in God's image, and, therefore, each man's life is sacred.....as opposed to the materialism of communism, which shares no such concept.
Compare that view with this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

Calling such a view 'childish' would be far too kind.

That was a very good insightful summary, thanks.

I am not a date setter (most Catholics are not) but does it not seem as though this world can not last much longer? Everywhere one looks the trends are bad, be it morals or war or economic potential collapse. Just the way people think of themselves and fail to think of others is a disturbing place to be.

The antidote will never be to convert the heathens, there will always be that "honorable" opposition. The only hope is for believers to truly take God seriously in their lives. We are not! Surely not in the more affluent Western nations. We are those materialistic, hedonistic denizens pretty much on the sidelines. Like I said, I am prayerful but not optimistic.

I'm even less optimistic than you are.

If the media is to be believed, there are some 65,915,796 morons who voted for a proven incompetent anti-American values demagogue.

The tipping point has been eclipsed....and we are simply basking in the afterglow of this once great nation.

And I am even less optimistic than what I implied or even you. : )

The salient fact you note above speaks volumes, imo. Anyone who thinks President Obama is anything but a useful idiot is one themselves.

But it is the lack of morals and adherence to God in this nation (by christians!) which is the most disturbing fact for me.

There are no perfect Christians....

So since no one is perfect it apparently makes no difference to you how imperfect one is.

Not when Jesus has your back...

 

[Moonglow]

1. Actually....it's a question. 'Whose worldview is defined, characterized, by naive and impossible terms?'
Whose?



Now, I don't see any religious posters demanding that every person bend their knee to God, or attacking those who don't. But, daily, the bitter-haters go out of their way to denigrate believers, as believing in an 'invisible pixie in the sky," or as 'Bible-thumpers,' or using the pejorative 'Gawd.'

And here is the salient point: the majority of the sneering cult seem not to recognize not just a childishness of their own beliefs...
....but the downright danger to humanity of them.




2. Most of those jeering are totalitarians, mostly of the Liberal persuasion.
Theirs, the opposite view to the religious one, is Leftism....a religion unto itself.
The 'Left' would include every totalitarian belief, every political doctrine that stems from materialism/Marxism, that finds 'economic inequality' more important than identifying good and evil.

'Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.'
Prager, chapter 1, “Still The Best Hope”



a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too." The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.


b. 'There is no God':
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."

If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses. When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report Essays

c. “Marxism reduced man to his animal wants and material needs….Marxism was a downward step from the human to the animal- a descent from civilization into barbarism, which is to say, from the worship of God to the worship of material things.”
Berman, “Terror and Liberalism,” p. 79.




The importance of religion, here, is that it give the value to human life, beginning in the idea of man created in God's image, and, therefore, each man's life is sacred.....as opposed to the materialism of communism, which shares no such concept.
Compare that view with this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

Calling such a view 'childish' would be far too kind.

So, what do you call conservatives who are also atheists?

Another failed thread from the OP.

I've always wondered how morons like you can offer a vapid, boring, tedious non-post, and feel satisfied.

You never bring anything to the table....and amble away muttering 'duh...yup. a..yup....'

Is it because you know you're working up to your ability?



Certainly commensurate with your job, as greeter at Wal-Mart.

All you bring is the same old stale bread....

 

[turzovka]

That was a very good insightful summary, thanks.

I am not a date setter (most Catholics are not) but does it not seem as though this world can not last much longer? Everywhere one looks the trends are bad, be it morals or war or economic potential collapse. Just the way people think of themselves and fail to think of others is a disturbing place to be.

The antidote will never be to convert the heathens, there will always be that "honorable" opposition. The only hope is for believers to truly take God seriously in their lives. We are not! Surely not in the more affluent Western nations. We are those materialistic, hedonistic denizens pretty much on the sidelines. Like I said, I am prayerful but not optimistic.

I'm even less optimistic than you are.

If the media is to be believed, there are some 65,915,796 morons who voted for a proven incompetent anti-American values demagogue.

The tipping point has been eclipsed....and we are simply basking in the afterglow of this once great nation.

And I am even less optimistic than what I implied or even you. : )

The salient fact you note above speaks volumes, imo. Anyone who thinks President Obama is anything but a useful idiot is one themselves.

But it is the lack of morals and adherence to God in this nation (by christians!) which is the most disturbing fact for me.

There are no perfect Christians....

So since no one is perfect it apparently makes no difference to you how imperfect one is.

Not when Jesus has your back...

You are mistaken once again.

God is not summarized so simply.

 

[Moonglow]

I'm even less optimistic than you are.

If the media is to be believed, there are some 65,915,796 morons who voted for a proven incompetent anti-American values demagogue.

The tipping point has been eclipsed....and we are simply basking in the afterglow of this once great nation.

And I am even less optimistic than what I implied or even you. : )

The salient fact you note above speaks volumes, imo. Anyone who thinks President Obama is anything but a useful idiot is one themselves.

But it is the lack of morals and adherence to God in this nation (by christians!) which is the most disturbing fact for me.

There are no perfect Christians....

So since no one is perfect it apparently makes no difference to you how imperfect one is.

Not when Jesus has your back...

You are mistaken once again.

God is not summarized so simply.

Really? Then those two ciminals that he took to Heaven after dying on the cross were worry warts about God...??

 

[turzovka]

1. Actually....it's a question. 'Whose worldview is defined, characterized, by naive and impossible terms?'
Whose?



Now, I don't see any religious posters demanding that every person bend their knee to God, or attacking those who don't. But, daily, the bitter-haters go out of their way to denigrate believers, as believing in an 'invisible pixie in the sky," or as 'Bible-thumpers,' or using the pejorative 'Gawd.'

And here is the salient point: the majority of the sneering cult seem not to recognize not just a childishness of their own beliefs...
....but the downright danger to humanity of them.




2. Most of those jeering are totalitarians, mostly of the Liberal persuasion.
Theirs, the opposite view to the religious one, is Leftism....a religion unto itself.
The 'Left' would include every totalitarian belief, every political doctrine that stems from materialism/Marxism, that finds 'economic inequality' more important than identifying good and evil.

'Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.'
Prager, chapter 1, “Still The Best Hope”



a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too." The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.


b. 'There is no God':
This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."

If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses. When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor.
The Schwarz Report Essays

c. “Marxism reduced man to his animal wants and material needs….Marxism was a downward step from the human to the animal- a descent from civilization into barbarism, which is to say, from the worship of God to the worship of material things.”
Berman, “Terror and Liberalism,” p. 79.




The importance of religion, here, is that it give the value to human life, beginning in the idea of man created in God's image, and, therefore, each man's life is sacred.....as opposed to the materialism of communism, which shares no such concept.
Compare that view with this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

Calling such a view 'childish' would be far too kind.

So, what do you call conservatives who are also atheists?

A glass 2/3 empty. No God, no hope.

But I am NOT judging them or anybody else. Heaven can be found in various ways, thanks to God's mercy. (just do not assume your own plan is sufficient)