A real look at ethnic cleansing in the Holy land... decide for yourself

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore

I am not following your logic here. You are trying to say that the 1949 Armistice agreements between Israel and Jordan and Egypt somehow "prove" that "Palestine" was a State in 1949? How so?

Try reading what they say. Obviously you have not.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

P F Tinmore

I am not following your logic here. You are trying to say that the 1949 Armistice agreements between Israel and Jordan and Egypt somehow "prove" that "Palestine" was a State in 1949? How so?

Try reading what they say. Obviously you have not.

I'll bet you Jews signed for Palestine.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

P F Tinmore

I am not following your logic here. You are trying to say that the 1949 Armistice agreements between Israel and Jordan and Egypt somehow "prove" that "Palestine" was a State in 1949? How so?

Try reading what they say. Obviously you have not.

I'll bet you Jews signed for Palestine.

Yes, Israel signed for Israel and Egypt, Syria , Jordan and Lebanon signed for their respective countries. Israel kicked all their asses.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

[Another Death Cult festival.

MORE HERE: Photos of Israeli White Phosphorus attacks on UN schools in Gaza

Y'know? A school? With children?

When will Hamas learn not to use UN schools in Gaza to launch rockets into Israel's civilian population? When will the UN human rights council condemn Hamas for using their buildings that are occupied by Arab children for their education? Don't Arab children have any rights when their schools are used as launching pads for Hamas rockets fired into Israel? Why does the UN allow Hamas to paint a bulls eye on Arab children at UN Schools hoping to raise the death count in their propaganda against Israel? Why is Hamas using ethnic cleansing of their own people for political gain while the UN remains silent or worse yet blames Israel (who is NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IT).......

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Maps don't lie - you do!

Ha! Ha! Are you trying to tell us that the Arabs don't have maps in their school books which have removed Israel completely? Maps don't lie? If the maps the Arab children are using in their school studies do not have Israel on them, somebody is lying! What color is your sky, Louie?


HarperCollins omits Israel from maps for Mideast schools, citing ‘local preferences’

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Where's Israel? (Courtesy of the Tablet)​

HarperCollins omits Israel from maps for Mideast schools, citing ‘local preferences’
For months, publishing giant HarperCollins has been selling an atlas it says was “developed specifically for schools in the Middle East.” It trumpets the work as providing students an “in-depth coverage of the region and its issues.” Its stated goals include helping kids understand the “relationship between the social and physical environment, the region’s challenges [and] its socio-economic development.”

Nice goals. But there’s one problem: Israel is missing.

There’s Syria. There’s Jordan. There’s Gaza. But no mention of Israel. The story was first reported by a Catholic publication, the Tablet.
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Then there is this story..........

Articles: Erasing Israel from the Map

The denial of Israel's right to exist by erasing it from maps is a regular component of Palestinian children's schoolbooks. In September 2011 the official PA map of "Palestine" featured the PA areas and all of Israel (excluding the Golan Heights) wrapped in the Palestinian flag.

In 2009 the British airline, BMI "removed Israel from the electronic maps displayed to passengers in some of its planes." This was done to avoid offending Muslim passengers. Israel "does not appear in maps on BMI flights between London and Tel Aviv, and Khefa, the pre-independence Arabic name for Haifa, appears on the maps." A spokesman explained that BMI makes "every effort to take passengers' sensitivities into account through an apolitical policy."

In November 2012, activists with links to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas came together for an American Muslims for Palestine's (AMP) Conference for Palestine in the U.S.: A Movement United. The AMP "home page depicts the conference logo-a map of Palestine made from birds showing the Palestinian state encompassing all of Israel."

Also in November 2012, Flickr, a social photo hosting service, "decided to remove the maps of Israel from its site." Flickr was contacted to determine whether this was a technical glitch, but it was discovered that Flickr map services are actually powered by Nokia Maps which "also has Israel as completely blank." In response to requests about the deletion of Israel as well as Cyprus, the following statement was made
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...........and so in response to Louie's "Maps don't lie" statement I'll respond to Do Maps lie with .......do birds fly?

 

[louie888]

You people crack me up. Who gives a shit.
Hamas... blah blah blah

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Indeed. Can you show us the borders of Gaza'istan recognized by your Islamic terrorist heroes?

The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

Gaza borders with Egypt.

Egypt is thrilled.

Egypt army destroys dozens of Gaza tunnels

Indeed, and the US pays them well to do it.

I'm sure that al-Sisi also doesn't want to be overthrown by those crazy Gazan Islamists.

The Palestinians are no threat to Egypt. They have always tried to stay on friendly terms.

That's good to know considering those people you are referring to as "Palestinians" are in reality Egyptians and Arabs (according to the Hamas minister who reminded them that they are blood family in a speech on you tube). Those pesky little things called "facts"......... right?

palestinians are a myth says hamas member "they are just saudis and egyptians"


and then there is this guy, a Muslim cleric who has a stern warning for Arabs calling themselves "Palestinians"......



Kind of turns the very claim of "ethnic cleansing" on its proverbial head, doesn't it?

 

[louie888]

Kind of turns the very claim of "ethnic cleansing" on its proverbial head, doesn't it?

NO. Does not change the fact that almost a million people were either slaughtered or forced to leave their homes back in the 40s. It's called the Nakba and psychotic Israelis celebrate it every year as their independence day.

 

[Shusha]

P F Tinmore

I am not following your logic here. You are trying to say that the 1949 Armistice agreements between Israel and Jordan and Egypt somehow "prove" that "Palestine" was a State in 1949? How so?

Try reading what they say. Obviously you have not.

I'm familiar with them. If you have a case, present it. Otherwise you are just doing your usual song and dance.

The agreements are between the Government of Israel and other governments concerning the geographic area of "Palestine".
Nowhere does it discuss any other Governments, nor any other Parties to the Agreements.

I think you are trying to say that since the Agreements discuss "Palestine" and not "Israel" that Palestine is the state and Israel is not one. Which is lame. No wonder you don't actually want to present your case.

If that is what you are trying to pull, I'll just leave this here:

ARTICLE 1
The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

 

[montelatici]

Gaza borders with Egypt.

Egypt is thrilled.

Egypt army destroys dozens of Gaza tunnels

Indeed, and the US pays them well to do it.

I'm sure that al-Sisi also doesn't want to be overthrown by those crazy Gazan Islamists.

The Palestinians are no threat to Egypt. They have always tried to stay on friendly terms.

That's good to know considering those people you are referring to as "Palestinians" are in reality Egyptians and Arabs (according to the Hamas minister who reminded them that they are blood family in a speech on you tube). Those pesky little things called "facts"......... right?

palestinians are a myth says hamas member "they are just saudis and egyptians"


and then there is this guy, a Muslim cleric who has a stern warning for Arabs calling themselves "Palestinians"......



Kind of turns the very claim of "ethnic cleansing" on its proverbial head, doesn't it?

Gaza borders with Egypt.

Egypt is thrilled.

Egypt army destroys dozens of Gaza tunnels

Indeed, and the US pays them well to do it.

I'm sure that al-Sisi also doesn't want to be overthrown by those crazy Gazan Islamists.

The Palestinians are no threat to Egypt. They have always tried to stay on friendly terms.

That's good to know considering those people you are referring to as "Palestinians" are in reality Egyptians and Arabs (according to the Hamas minister who reminded them that they are blood family in a speech on you tube). Those pesky little things called "facts"......... right?

palestinians are a myth says hamas member "they are just saudis and egyptians"


and then there is this guy, a Muslim cleric who has a stern warning for Arabs calling themselves "Palestinians"......



Kind of turns the very claim of "ethnic cleansing" on its proverbial head, doesn't it?

Not really.

 

[P F Tinmore]

ARTICLE 1
The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

Exactly, and the foreigners declared their state on Palestine's defined territory.

How can something so simple escape you?

 

[Shusha]

ARTICLE 1
The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

Exactly, and the foreigners declared their state on Palestine's defined territory.

How can something so simple escape you?

Oh please. The geographical territory named "Palestine" was (and is) the Jewish National Home. The Jewish people had a permanent population, a defined territory, a government and the capacity to enter into relations with other states. As EVIDENCED by the 1949 Armistice agreements with Jordan, Egypt, Syria, etc.

The State of Palestine IS Israel. The permanent population is the Jewish and Arab Palestinians. The defined territory is the territory define by the Mandate for Palestine, delineating the Jewish National Home. The government is the Government of Israel (as per the agreements). The capacity to enter into relations with other states is demonstrated in the agreements.

You have absolutely no case that there was any other STATE operating at the time.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The government is the Government of Israel (as per the agreements).

What agreements?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The State of Palestine IS Israel. The permanent population is the Jewish and Arab Palestinians.

The state of Israel was created in direct opposition of the vast majority of the people.

How can they do that and claim legitimacy?

 

[Hollie]

The State of Palestine IS Israel. The permanent population is the Jewish and Arab Palestinians.

The state of Israel was created in direct opposition of the vast majority of the people.

How can they do that and claim legitimacy?

Self-determination for the Jewish people did not require an affirmative vote by Arab-Moslem squatters.

You choose to remain ignorant of the fact that the Ottoman Turks relinquished all rights and title to the territory. Your invented "country of Pal'istan" never existed and the Arab-Moslem colonists / squatters didn't own the land.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

ARTICLE 1
The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

Exactly, and the foreigners declared their state on Palestine's defined territory.

How can something so simple escape you?

foreigners declared their state on Palestine's defined territory.

On the country of Palestine?

 

[montelatici]

ARTICLE 1
The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

Exactly, and the foreigners declared their state on Palestine's defined territory.

How can something so simple escape you?

foreigners declared their state on Palestine's defined territory.

On the country of Palestine?

On the territory of Palestine which was to have been held in trust for its inhabitants pursuant to Article 22 of the League of Nations.

"ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant."

The people inhabiting the former territory that ceased to be under the sovereignty of the State which formerly governed it (Turkey) were overwhelming Christians and Muslims. The the overwhelming majority of the Zionists weren't inhabitants of Palestine, they inhabited Europe.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

ARTICLE 1
The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

Exactly, and the foreigners declared their state on Palestine's defined territory.

How can something so simple escape you?

foreigners declared their state on Palestine's defined territory.

On the country of Palestine?

On the territory of Palestine which was to have been held in trust for its inhabitants pursuant to Article 22 of the League of Nations.

"ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant."

The people inhabiting the former territory that ceased to be under the sovereignty of the State which formerly governed it (Turkey) were overwhelming Christians and Muslims. The the overwhelming majority of the Zionists weren't inhabitants of Palestine, they inhabited Europe.

On the territory of Palestine

Which was designated for a Jewish homeland.

 

[montelatici]

Doesn'

ARTICLE 1
The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

Exactly, and the foreigners declared their state on Palestine's defined territory.

How can something so simple escape you?

foreigners declared their state on Palestine's defined territory.

On the country of Palestine?

On the territory of Palestine which was to have been held in trust for its inhabitants pursuant to Article 22 of the League of Nations.

"ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant."

The people inhabiting the former territory that ceased to be under the sovereignty of the State which formerly governed it (Turkey) were overwhelming Christians and Muslims. The the overwhelming majority of the Zionists weren't inhabitants of Palestine, they inhabited Europe.

On the territory of Palestine

Which was designated for a Jewish homeland.

Article 22 doesn't say anything of the sort, nor does it exclude Palestine as one of the former territories. The inhabitants of Palestine, were to have received tutelage (protection) per the Covenant, and the British failed to protect the inhabitants of Palestine.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Doesn'

ARTICLE 1
The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

Exactly, and the foreigners declared their state on Palestine's defined territory.

How can something so simple escape you?

foreigners declared their state on Palestine's defined territory.

On the country of Palestine?

On the territory of Palestine which was to have been held in trust for its inhabitants pursuant to Article 22 of the League of Nations.

"ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant."

The people inhabiting the former territory that ceased to be under the sovereignty of the State which formerly governed it (Turkey) were overwhelming Christians and Muslims. The the overwhelming majority of the Zionists weren't inhabitants of Palestine, they inhabited Europe.

On the territory of Palestine

Which was designated for a Jewish homeland.

Article 22 doesn't say anything of the sort, nor does it exclude Palestine as one of the former territories. The inhabitants of Palestine, were to have received tutelage (protection) per the Covenant, and the British failed to protect the inhabitants of Palestine.

Losing has consequences. Turkey lost.

Since then, the Arabs kept losing.

Now we'll see how much more the Arabs in the West Bank can lose.
Not looking too good..