A REAL Canadian

A real Canadian would know our history is built upon our strength of immgration. Without immigrants, Canada's population would dwiddle, low-level, trades and professional jobs would be left unfilled and our economy would stagnate. We would also begin to undo the social fabric of Canada that has made Canada one of the most successful nations.

We are not, nor never have been, a cultural hegemony. To pursue that, would destroy Canada and would be a Canada, of which I want no part.
 
Isaac Brock said:
A real Canadian would know our history is built upon our strength of immgration. Without immigrants, Canada's population would dwiddle, low-level, trades and professional jobs would be left unfilled and our economy would stagnate. We would also begin to undo the social fabric of Canada that has made Canada one of the most successful nations.

We are not, nor never have been, a cultural hegemony. To pursue that, would destroy Canada and would be a Canada, of which I want no part.


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Isaac Brock said:
A real Canadian would know our history is built upon our strength of immgration. Without immigrants, Canada's population would dwiddle, low-level, trades and professional jobs would be left unfilled and our economy would stagnate. We would also begin to undo the social fabric of Canada that has made Canada one of the most successful nations.

We are not, nor never have been, a cultural hegemony. To pursue that, would destroy Canada and would be a Canada, of which I want no part.


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Damn Straight!!

Joyce needs to remember his family were immigrants at one point, (unless your Native American). Canada and the US are immigrant nations, no immigrants no nations.
 
There's a difference between immigrants who want to come to embrace the freedom, and opportunities and modernities of the host nation, and those who want to come to it and inflict their medeival shariah law on it.
 
rtwngAvngr said:
There's a difference between immigrants who want to come to embrace the freedom, and opportunities and modernities of the host nation, and those who want to come to it and inflict their medeival shariah law on it.

Certainly, but to characterize Canada's immigrant population as the later would be incorrect. The vast majority would fall into your first category.
 
Isaac Brock said:
Certainly, but to characterize Canada's immigrant population as the later would be incorrect. The vast majority would fall into your first category.

Yes, but the new question is looming on the horizon, in accepting all ideologies, do you accept and ideology that accepts no others?
 
rtwngAvngr said:
Yes, but the new question is looming on the horizon, in accepting all ideologies, do you accept and ideology that accepts no others?

In order to have a free and just society, yes. It sounds bad, but you can't discriminate, otherwise you are a hypocrite. And once you outlaw one group due to religion, race etc, where do you stop?
 
MrMarbles said:
In order to have a free and just society, yes. It sounds bad, but you can't discriminate, otherwise you are a hypocrite.


No, expecting people to abide by Canadian law when they are residing in Canada is uhh normal, not discriminatory. Come on Marbles, you're just yanking my chain aren't you, you don't really support this sort of thing do you?
 
Said1 said:
No, expecting people to abide by Canadian law when they are residing in Canada is uhh normal, not discriminatory. Come on Marbles, you're just yanking my chain aren't you, you don't really support this sort of thing do you?

I'm with Marbles on this one. Accepting all cultures is important, even if there are cultures we disagree with. This does not mean we need to change our laws to be flexibity to other cultures, but it does mean that we accept all of them. If we don't, then as Marbles said, we're hypocrites for calling ourself a free society. A free society, accepts all peoples of all walks of ideologies, but they still have to abide by our socially-contracted rules.

I know RWA is hinting on Sharia law and this is where my second point comes in. Currently Muslims are abiding by our laws by introducing Sharia based civil arbitration in Ontario. However, if that law is deemed un-constitutional (read: against the Canadian Charter of Freedoms and Rights), than it will be tossed.

In addition, if our culture as Canadians is so lax that we all multi-broad based legal systems to be implemented and stayed, then our society will either have to adjust because it is not strong enough or redefine what it means to be a Canadian. Personally, I believe that Canadian culture and society will not accept that.
 
MrMarbles said:
In order to have a free and just society, yes. It sounds bad, but you can't discriminate, otherwise you are a hypocrite. And once you outlaw one group due to religion, race etc, where do you stop?

Include all that are willing to include others. You won't broadcast foxnews. Is american conservatism the only thing you're intolerant of? That's f'ed up. We made you.
 
You think you're so open minded. But your completely brainwashed about economic realities and the effects of socialism. You're minds are closed to the truth. Except for said1. Said, knock some sense into these lads, please, for world safety.
 
rtwngAvngr said:
You think you're so open minded. But your completely brainwashed about economic realities and the effects of socialism. You're minds are closed to the truth. Except for said1. Said, knock some sense into these lads, please, for world safety.

We're not talking about socialism. Wrong thread.
 
Isaac Brock said:
We're not talking about socialism. Wrong thread.

Socialism is a state religion. And tolerance was also at issue. You have no tolerance for economic realities, you villify them.
 
Isaac Brock said:
I'm with Marbles on this one. Accepting all cultures is important, even if there are cultures we disagree with. This does not mean we need to change our laws to be flexibity to other cultures, but it does mean that we accept all of them. If we don't, then as Marbles said, we're hypocrites for calling ourself a free society. A free society, accepts all peoples of all walks of ideologies, but they still have to abide by our socially-contracted rules.

I know RWA is hinting on Sharia law and this is where my second point comes in. Currently Muslims are abiding by our laws by introducing Sharia based civil arbitration in Ontario. However, if that law is deemed un-constitutional (read: against the Canadian Charter of Freedoms and Rights), than it will be tossed.

In addition, if our culture as Canadians is so lax that we all multi-broad based legal systems to be implemented and stayed, then our society will either have to adjust because it is not strong enough or redefine what it means to be a Canadian. Personally, I believe that Canadian culture and society will not accept that.


I find your subtle way of saying I'm racist and perhaps a little less knowledgeable than you to be not only wrong (in light of the fact that you know where I stand on this issue) but somewhat self-serving. I have never said "keep the Muslims out", I have simply said encouraging practices that only serve to isolate people from the rest of Canadian society is a step back, not forwards. The idea is to blend, and share, not separate.
 
Said1 said:
I find your subtle way of saying I'm racist and perhaps a little less knowledgeable than you to be not only wrong (in light of the fact that you know where I stand on this issue) but somewhat self-serving. I have never said "keep the Muslims out", I have simply said encouraging practices that only serve to isolate people from the rest of Canadian society is a step back, not forwards. The idea is to blend, and share, not separate.

No, no I'm doing nothing of the sort. I don't find you racist in the least, if I gave you that impression I apologize and I'll take a few steps back. The crux of my post had to do with selective immigration and cultural assimilation and a my views on what a free society, in Canada, entails.
 
rtwngAvngr said:
Socialism is a state religion. And tolerance was also at issue. You have no tolerance for economic realities, you villify them.

Sorry, but I have plenty tolerance for economic realities, sorry to disappoint. You accuse, but you have no footing. Or is going to school, working at a job and putting in the time to develop skills for advancement in order to increase my pay just the new socialist tactic for world socialist revolution. :D
 
Isaac Brock said:
No, no I'm doing nothing of the sort. I don't find you racist in the least, if I gave you that impression I apologize and I'll take a few steps back.

Yes, you did give me that impression, glad to hear it isn't the case.


The crux of my post had to do with selective immigration and cultural assimilation and a my views on what a free society, in Canada, entails.

Which is accept everything, or imposing certain limits on what is seemingly unimportant and unnessesary for Canadians to accept? The impression I came away with after reading your post was somewhat mixed. Maybe you stated this earlier, and I missed it somewhere. I'll be honest, I'm seriously suffering from brain drain these days. :D
 

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