A question for neocons on this board

[Si modo]

Some may have been cooked, that is true but the inherent flaws in the rules for intelligence gathering not only permitted that, but even encouraged it.

Could you be just a wee bit more vague?

I get allergic reactions to reading nebulous talking points.

I believe you are asking for the opposite of vague, so I'll go with that. Here is a piece on just one of those failures. If restrictions on the types of human assets allowed had not been in place, for example, this 'cocktail napkin' information could have been easily verified.

 

[Oddball]

Some may have been cooked, that is true but the inherent flaws in the rules for intelligence gathering not only permitted that, but even encouraged it.

Could you be just a wee bit more vague?

I get allergic reactions to reading nebulous talking points.

I believe you are asking for the opposite of vague, so I'll go with that. Here is a piece on just one of those failures. If restrictions on the types of human assets allowed had not been in place, for example, this 'cocktail napkin' information could have been easily verified.

And if worms had machine guns, birds wouldn't **** with them.

The "intelligence" was flawed because they wanted it to be....Any supposed fix to what went wrong, being done by the people who rigged the information in the first place, can only be held in the most dubious of lights.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Palin can hunt wolves out of Marine 1 if she gets elected. So what?

Gee NoBraininaFight.. I distinctly remember you on MSNBC whining about Bush always being on vacation.

Just another liberal partisan hack with no principals.

And for the record, I really don't care if Obama golfs 24/7 for the next three years.

 

[Si modo]

Could you be just a wee bit more vague?

I get allergic reactions to reading nebulous talking points.

I believe you are asking for the opposite of vague, so I'll go with that. Here is a piece on just one of those failures. If restrictions on the types of human assets allowed had not been in place, for example, this 'cocktail napkin' information could have been easily verified.

And if worms had machine guns, birds wouldn't **** with them.

The "intelligence" was flawed because they wanted it to be....Any supposed fix to what went wrong, being done by the people who rigged the information in the first place, can only be held in the most dubious of lights.

Who's they? Several administrations have messed with the control of intelligence gathering, Clinton (and his lacky, Gore) certainly making the most changes in recent history. The subsequent loopholes created led to one of the greatest disasters in intelligence - Iraq.

On that one example I provided, the verification would have been by default. But, the only verification was disallowed. Major loophole and major enabling of abuses.

 

[Oddball]

"They" are all of them, remocrat and depublican alike.

I don't buy the "flawed intelligence" excuse for one moment.

Like I said, I'm an equal opportunity skeptic and cynic.

 

[L.K.Eder]

I believe you are asking for the opposite of vague, so I'll go with that. Here is a piece on just one of those failures. If restrictions on the types of human assets allowed had not been in place, for example, this 'cocktail napkin' information could have been easily verified.

And if worms had machine guns, birds wouldn't **** with them.

The "intelligence" was flawed because they wanted it to be....Any supposed fix to what went wrong, being done by the people who rigged the information in the first place, can only be held in the most dubious of lights.

Who's they? Several administrations have messed with the control of intelligence gathering, Clinton (and his lacky, Gore) certainly making the most changes in recent history. The subsequent loopholes created led to one of the greatest disasters in intelligence - Iraq.

On that one example I provided, the verification would have been by default. But, the only verification was disallowed. Major loophole and major enabling of abuses.

good twist on blaming clinton and name dropping gore. lacky! hahah. one of the stooges? very relevant!

 

[Oddball]

Only a party man hack-in-the-box could ignore the Clinton administration's contribution to the mess in Iraq.

They only had eight years to reverse the policies of BushI and did nothing.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Only a party man hack-in-the-box could ignore the Clinton administration's contribution to the mess in Iraq.

They only had eight years to reverse the policies of BushI and did nothing.

i blame the one pulling the trigger more than the one loading the gun.

 

[Oddball]

Of course you do...You're a partisan hack.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Of course you do...You're a partisan hack.

hahah, you are a funny guy. is this were i act all outraged and point out that i belong to no party and announce a neg rep?

i am actually agreeing with you about the deliberately flawed intelligence or however you put it.

si modo made it sound like clinton was the one who is responsible for the iraq disaster:

Several administrations have messed with the control of intelligence gathering, Clinton (and his lacky, Gore) certainly making the most changes in recent history. The subsequent loopholes created led to one of the greatest disasters in intelligence - Iraq.

 

[JakeStarkey]

si modo is responsible for his own disaster.

 

[Oddball]

Of course you do...You're a partisan hack.

hahah, you are a funny guy. is this were i act all outraged and point out that i belong to no party and announce a neg rep?

i am actually agreeing with you about the deliberately flawed intelligence or however you put it.

si modo made it sound like clinton was the one who is responsible for the iraq disaster:

Several administrations have messed with the control of intelligence gathering, Clinton (and his lacky, Gore) certainly making the most changes in recent history. The subsequent loopholes created led to one of the greatest disasters in intelligence - Iraq.

Which is true.....Sitting around saying one or another is the biggest transgressor is like trying to absolve the wheel man to a string of armed robberies, merely because he didn't point a gun in anyone's face.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Of course you do...You're a partisan hack.

hahah, you are a funny guy. is this were i act all outraged and point out that i belong to no party and announce a neg rep?

i am actually agreeing with you about the deliberately flawed intelligence or however you put it.

si modo made it sound like clinton was the one who is responsible for the iraq disaster:

Several administrations have messed with the control of intelligence gathering, Clinton (and his lacky, Gore) certainly making the most changes in recent history. The subsequent loopholes created led to one of the greatest disasters in intelligence - Iraq.

Which is true.....Sitting around saying one or another is the biggest transgressor is like trying to absolve the wheel man to a string of armed robberies, merely because he didn't point a gun in anyone's face.

well, and if one of the robbers executes 5 hostages, shoots three cops and 2 children, will the wheel man get charged with this slaughter too?

not by me.

 

[Si modo]

And if worms had machine guns, birds wouldn't **** with them.

The "intelligence" was flawed because they wanted it to be....Any supposed fix to what went wrong, being done by the people who rigged the information in the first place, can only be held in the most dubious of lights.

Who's they? Several administrations have messed with the control of intelligence gathering, Clinton (and his lacky, Gore) certainly making the most changes in recent history. The subsequent loopholes created led to one of the greatest disasters in intelligence - Iraq.

On that one example I provided, the verification would have been by default. But, the only verification was disallowed. Major loophole and major enabling of abuses.

good twist on blaming clinton and name dropping gore. lacky! hahah. one of the stooges? very relevant!

Only an idiot ignores the contribution of the Clinton administration to the flaws in the IC. And, ignorance of the restrictions Clinton and Gore put on human assets in the IC is no excuse for other idiocy.

 

[Oddball]

well, and if one of the robbers executes 5 hostages, shoots three cops and 2 children, will the wheel man get charged with this slaughter too?

not by me.

Accessories to the crimes almost always get charged for the crimes of those they abetted.

But I guess keeping the economic sanctions in place that were responsible for the deaths of around 1/2 million people doesn't count, huh?

 

[L.K.Eder]

well, and if one of the robbers executes 5 hostages, shoots three cops and 2 children, will the wheel man get charged with this slaughter too?

not by me.

I guess keeping the economic sanctions in place that were responsible for the deaths of around 1/2 milloin people don't count, huh?

you guess wrong, but nice shift. elegant, almost.

btw, the number is from the good lancet study? not from the bad lancet study about the iraq war victims, right?

 

[Ravi]

The hacks blame Clinton for Bush invading Iraq.

You people are priceless.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Who's they? Several administrations have messed with the control of intelligence gathering, Clinton (and his lacky, Gore) certainly making the most changes in recent history. The subsequent loopholes created led to one of the greatest disasters in intelligence - Iraq.

Don't you folks get tired of hearing Democrats blame everything on Bush?

But you still blame Bush's failures on Clinton/Gore.

If there were problems in the intelligence community prior to 9/11, then Bush had 8 months to correct them. Far more time than most of the Obama haters give him before the "he owns this economy" talk.

It's hypocritical.

 

[Oddball]

The hacks blame Clinton for Bush invading Iraq.

You people are priceless.

Only in your double-digit I.Q.-ed world.

 

[Oddball]

Who's they? Several administrations have messed with the control of intelligence gathering, Clinton (and his lacky, Gore) certainly making the most changes in recent history. The subsequent loopholes created led to one of the greatest disasters in intelligence - Iraq.

Don't you folks get tired of hearing Democrats blame everything on Bush?

But you still blame Bush's failures on Clinton/Gore.

If there were problems in the intelligence community prior to 9/11, then Bush had 8 months to correct them. Far more time than most of the Obama haters give him before the "he owns this economy" talk.

Bubba was an accessory....Of that there is no doubt.

If he had reversed the course set by BushI viz. Iraq, you might have a point...But he didn't and you don't.