A question about hamas to the pro pal lovers

[SAYIT]

February 12, 2007 Issue
Copyright © 2007 The American Conservative


Making Enemies

How Israel helped to create Hamas

Making Enemies The American Conservative

Again the article does not support the headline. The author states "Indeed, in the 1970s and 80s, Israel played a not insignificant role in encouraging Hamas’s emergence." Once again I remind you that encouraging the charitable, humanitarian version of Hamas does not equate to creating Hamas. I'm certain those who did create Hamas (Hamas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia) would behead you for suggesting that Israel created their organization.

 

[SAYIT]

Ron Paul says "If you look at the history..." but provides no source for his "history." As he was "standing in opposition" he most likely was employing BS to support his POV, hoping much as you do that no one knows or checks his "facts." I have provided you with historical data which, not surprisingly, contradicts your opinion.

 

[RoccoR]

et al,

I have to agree with our friend "SAYIT."

February 12, 2007 Issue
Copyright © 2007 The American Conservative


Making Enemies

How Israel helped to create Hamas

Making Enemies The American Conservative

Again the article does not support the headline. The author states "Indeed, in the 1970s and 80s, Israel played a not insignificant role in encouraging Hamas’s emergence." Once again I remind you that encouraging the charitable, humanitarian version of Hamas does not equate to creating Hamas. I'm certain those who did create Hamas (Hamas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia) would behead you for suggesting that Israel created their organization.

(COMMENT)

Israel, and others, may have played a part in setting the conditions for the emergence of HAMAS. It is a far cry from "creating" HAMAS. And we don't know that if, Israel and other countries, had done something different --- that HAMAS would not had been created anyway. HAMAS gained popular support from the general population through its charitable works (Examples: hospitals and clinics, education programs, utilities and libraries) and not as a result of its terrorist activities. It evolved. And while it may seem obvious today, nearly half a century ago --- it was not so obvious the direction it would take.

As for Ron Paul, he has his own libertarian vision and take on the issues.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

et al,

I have to agree with our friend "SAYIT."

February 12, 2007 Issue
Copyright © 2007 The American Conservative


Making Enemies

How Israel helped to create Hamas

Making Enemies The American Conservative

Again the article does not support the headline. The author states "Indeed, in the 1970s and 80s, Israel played a not insignificant role in encouraging Hamas’s emergence." Once again I remind you that encouraging the charitable, humanitarian version of Hamas does not equate to creating Hamas. I'm certain those who did create Hamas (Hamas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia) would behead you for suggesting that Israel created their organization.

(COMMENT)

Israel, and others, may have played a part in setting the conditions for the emergence of HAMAS. It is a far cry from "creating" HAMAS. And we don't know that if, Israel and other countries, had done something different --- that HAMAS would not had been created anyway. HAMAS gained popular support from the general population through its charitable works (Examples: hospitals and clinics, education programs, utilities and libraries) and not as a result of its terrorist activities. It evolved. And while it may seem obvious today, nearly half a century ago --- it was not so obvious the direction it would take.

As for Ron Paul, he has his own libertarian vision and take on the issues.

Most Respectfully,
R

"As for Ron Paul, he has his own libertarian vision and take on the issues. "

Now WTF is that supposed to mean? What is "his own libertarian" vision? How is it different from another's libertarian vision? His vision is just as well thought out as anyone's. He is no dummy, he is a physician and a member of congress.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

I didn't actually say anything bad about Ron Paul.

"As for Ron Paul, he has his own libertarian vision and take on the issues. "

Now WTF is that supposed to mean? What is "his own libertarian" vision? How is it different from another's libertarian vision? His vision is just as well thought out as anyone's. He is no dummy, he is a physician and a member of congress.

(COMMENT)

Having said that, I'm sure you know that all politicians don't think alike (if you can call what Members of Congress do as thinking). Even though Ron Paul was the 1988 Libertarian Candidate for President, not all mainstream Libertarians agree with him. For an example of just one of many differences (that you asked for) please see the:
An open letter from Libertarian Party Chair Nicholas Sarwark to Sen. Rand Paul

v/r
R

 

[Humanity]

Interesting debate between "creation" and "emergence"....

Is it too close to call?

No, obviously not....

A chicken egg is created but a chick emerges but ONLY under the right conditions...

The chicken will lay an egg virtually every day, in the right conditions, but only if the egg is fertilised will a chick emerge... That requires a 3rd party, the cockrel.

Action and reaction...

Hamas, well, as far as I remember was formed in the late 1980's as a spin off of the Muslim Brotherhood...

Yes, Israel played a very important role in the emergence of Hamas, but Hamas was also created for a 'reason'... Primarily Israel...

So, it could be said that Israel 'created' Hamas 'indirectly'... But 'directly' promoted its emergence...

Either way, like Israel exists, Hamas exists...

Arguing over whether Hamas was a creation or an emergence is pretty insignificant now...

What needs to be found is a way to either remove Hamas from power, democratically, OR demilitarise Hamas.

 

[theliq]

I

et al,

To be honest, I don't quite understand the argument.

I don't understand the claim that Israel or the US created HAMAS. On what basis is this claim made? Is there some sort of evidence or probable cause? What is the basis?

v/r
R

From the Wall Street Journal:

"How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas"

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847

Thanks Monte,for giving the Bozo's on here some more information on how the Jews initiated Hamas.....for the Sayits of this world your total ignorance is only bettered by your Anti-Semitic Palestinian SILLINESS.....but spew on,NO ONE IS LISTENING TO YOUR VINDICTIVE ZIONIST TERRORIST CHUNDER anymore.

I am theliq.....Sentinel against Zionist Bullshit..I Promote Good Jews and there are Millions of them,but Zionist NO WAY,I never Support Terrorist Organizations..........Crikey your minds are Prufrock

 

[theliq]

Your refusal to actually address the question shows the board your true feelings.

You could actually care less about the Palestinians. Your true agenda is actually not Pro-Palestinian, but only and only Anti-Israeli.

Thank you.

I have a positive track record with the Palestinians and Israelis...as I have lived amongst them.......I need not elaborate.....You are a Jonny-come-lately and TRASH...........your comment that I am Anti-Israeli is BUNK......I voice my opinion as I wish most of the time, I am fair and balanced...But I sometimes get it wrong....and am the first to apologies.............I believe in a free and peaceful Israel and Palestine of course..............As for Hamas they were sponsored by Israel.....so your point is ????????.........

Cut the "I love Jooos" crap, Princess.
I keep hearing you Nazi types trying to make that camel crap stick to the wall but it continues to slide right off. Hamas was established as a social/charitable organization that cared for those underserved by Arafat's gov't. Many gov'ts, NGOs and individuals supported that Hamas on humanitarian grounds but that wouldn't show up on the radar of a Nazi propagandist like you. The Hamas we see today is a far cry from the Hamas of old but that distinction is one you either can't make or refuse to because it just doesn't serve your obvious hate for Jooos.

You established them poor old thing,but they decided to use your cash and guns but decided your interest rate was far too high and decided to use another scource of money...........Nazi types is more your TYPE the way you speak.....but certainly not mine.....just another CHEAP ONE LINER of yours much like the OBSEQUIOUS ......ANTI_SEMETIC...you are being exposed as the fraud you are deary

You still have failed to prove either Israel or the US supplied Hamas with weapons and in their incubation years Hamas built mosques, clubs, schools, and a library in Gaza. It isn't like you are unaware of the truth so the question would be why do you continue to lie but there's no point asking you ... the answer is obvious.

It is my understanding that Israel allowed Hamas to build quality of life infrastructures like charities, clinics, etc. but supplying weapons...I don't think so.

Sorry Tinnie,the $ bought arms en al..............Israel thought they could overthrow Arafat ........ in this instant they failed so they murdered him later

 

[theliq]

February 12, 2007 Issue
Copyright © 2007 The American Conservative


Making Enemies

How Israel helped to create Hamas

Making Enemies The American Conservative

Again the article does not support the headline. The author states "Indeed, in the 1970s and 80s, Israel played a not insignificant role in encouraging Hamas’s emergence." Once again I remind you that encouraging the charitable, humanitarian version of Hamas does not equate to creating Hamas. I'm certain those who did create Hamas (Hamas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia) would behead you for suggesting that Israel created their organization.

Wrong again

 

[theliq]

All I can say is,that the said gentleman is much smarter that you,he doesn't need to lie....and he does not....His personal opinions are his own,but whilst I am at it....don't the Ultras and Zionism Terrorism revile Homo's.......see you are a Rancid Hypocrite like all Zionists.Scruples hey,well there is NO POINT you purchasing the game.......because you wouldn't know where to start...because you have no scruples.

I accept your last 2 posts as an admission that you have NOTHING which supports your contention that the US and Israel gave arms to Hamas. It must feel awful to admit you must LIE to support your POV, Princess, - a felling I have never experienced - but that seems common amongst the "people" on your side of this conflict.

You talk Shit most of the time,above is a typical example......you are always defending the indefensible....Israel,you know that country that 1 in 5 live below the poverty line,and always stealing Palestinian land.

You do realize that continually lying to yourself and to others is a mental problem....get to grips with all this Bullshit......I am getting tired of the repetition..START TELLING THE TRUTH....particulally when I keep slapping you across the face with it ....ad nausium

Two links needed now, one to show that 20% of Israeli citizens live below the poverty line along with which nations poverty line. The second LINK to the Israelis stealing Palestinian land from a non partisan source that also shows the borders of the nation of Palestine inside which Israel IS STEALING THE LAND.

OK

Standard of living in Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Israeli settlement - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Firstly the author of this Wiki article has been banned from wiki for disruptive editing and abuse of administrators trust. So not a reliable source.

Secondly the author of the second wiki article is a Pro Palestinian and not believable, also a participant of wikiproject Palestine.

So neither is non partisan, unless you want to try abdul's trick of claiming they are source documents............

You always try to "CRY TOUGH".........Cry Baby......I win again.....You and the Possee Loooooose

 

[theliq]

February 12, 2007 Issue
Copyright © 2007 The American Conservative


Making Enemies

How Israel helped to create Hamas

Making Enemies The American Conservative

Again the article does not support the headline. The author states "Indeed, in the 1970s and 80s, Israel played a not insignificant role in encouraging Hamas’s emergence." Once again I remind you that encouraging the charitable, humanitarian version of Hamas does not equate to creating Hamas. I'm certain those who did create Hamas (Hamas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia) would behead you for suggesting that Israel created their organization.

A not insignificant role............which means Significant Role............if you were around when Jesus "Walked on Water" you would have been one of those who reported "That Jesus couldn't SWIM"........You have become a Joke........"NOT INSIGNIFICENT ROLE" has reached Number 1 in the USMB Top 10 of Inane One Liners......Well Done........now that is something I could never achieve.........LOL ..steve

 

[theliq]

Interesting debate between "creation" and "emergence"....

Is it too close to call?

No, obviously not....

A chicken egg is created but a chick emerges but ONLY under the right conditions...

The chicken will lay an egg virtually every day, in the right conditions, but only if the egg is fertilised will a chick emerge... That requires a 3rd party, the cockrel.

Action and reaction...

Hamas, well, as far as I remember was formed in the late 1980's as a spin off of the Muslim Brotherhood...

Yes, Israel played a very important role in the emergence of Hamas, but Hamas was also created for a 'reason'... Primarily Israel...

So, it could be said that Israel 'created' Hamas 'indirectly'... But 'directly' promoted its emergence...

Either way, like Israel exists, Hamas exists...

Arguing over whether Hamas was a creation or an emergence is pretty insignificant now...

What needs to be found is a way to either remove Hamas from power, democratically, OR demilitarise Hamas.

The same could have been said pre 1948 and since re the Zionists.......but we live in 2015 and we have to work for a settlement....which appears even more distant as the hard-liners are sitting on the top of the piles..........respectively

 

[SAYIT]

I have a positive track record with the Palestinians and Israelis...as I have lived amongst them.......I need not elaborate.....You are a Jonny-come-lately and TRASH...........your comment that I am Anti-Israeli is BUNK......I voice my opinion as I wish most of the time, I am fair and balanced...But I sometimes get it wrong....and am the first to apologies.............I believe in a free and peaceful Israel and Palestine of course..............As for Hamas they were sponsored by Israel.....so your point is ????????.........

Cut the "I love Jooos" crap, Princess.
I keep hearing you Nazi types trying to make that camel crap stick to the wall but it continues to slide right off. Hamas was established as a social/charitable organization that cared for those underserved by Arafat's gov't. Many gov'ts, NGOs and individuals supported that Hamas on humanitarian grounds but that wouldn't show up on the radar of a Nazi propagandist like you. The Hamas we see today is a far cry from the Hamas of old but that distinction is one you either can't make or refuse to because it just doesn't serve your obvious hate for Jooos.

You established them poor old thing,but they decided to use your cash and guns but decided your interest rate was far too high and decided to use another scource of money...........Nazi types is more your TYPE the way you speak.....but certainly not mine.....just another CHEAP ONE LINER of yours much like the OBSEQUIOUS ......ANTI_SEMETIC...you are being exposed as the fraud you are deary

You still have failed to prove either Israel or the US supplied Hamas with weapons and in their incubation years Hamas built mosques, clubs, schools, and a library in Gaza. It isn't like you are unaware of the truth so the question would be why do you continue to lie but there's no point asking you ... the answer is obvious.

It is my understanding that Israel allowed Hamas to build quality of life infrastructures like charities, clinics, etc. but supplying weapons...I don't think so.

Sorry Tinnie,the $ bought arms en al..............Israel thought they could overthrow Arafat ........ in this instant they failed so they murdered him later

Camel crap from your (pin)head.

 

[SAYIT]

February 12, 2007 Issue
Copyright © 2007 The American Conservative


Making Enemies

How Israel helped to create Hamas

Making Enemies The American Conservative

Again the article does not support the headline. The author states "Indeed, in the 1970s and 80s, Israel played a not insignificant role in encouraging Hamas’s emergence." Once again I remind you that encouraging the charitable, humanitarian version of Hamas does not equate to creating Hamas. I'm certain those who did create Hamas (Hamas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia) would behead you for suggesting that Israel created their organization.

Wrong again

They would behead you also, Princess.

 

[SAYIT]

Interesting debate between "creation" and "emergence"....
So, it could be said that Israel 'created' Hamas 'indirectly'... But 'directly' promoted its emergence...
Arguing over whether Hamas was a creation or an emergence is pretty insignificant now....

So what you are saying is if one spins the facts in a certain way, Israel can be blamed for anything one's little heart desires. Got it.
I do agree, however, that the creation vs. emergence issue is pretty insignificant but try to tell that to people like theliq. He's been busy for weeks insisting Israel created and armed Hamas.

 

[SAYIT]

February 12, 2007 Issue
Copyright © 2007 The American Conservative


Making Enemies

How Israel helped to create Hamas

Making Enemies The American Conservative

Again the article does not support the headline. The author states "Indeed, in the 1970s and 80s, Israel played a not insignificant role in encouraging Hamas’s emergence." Once again I remind you that encouraging the charitable, humanitarian version of Hamas does not equate to creating Hamas. I'm certain those who did create Hamas (Hamas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia) would behead you for suggesting that Israel created their organization.

A not insignificant role............which means Significant Role............if you were around when Jesus "Walked on Water" you would have been one of those who reported "That Jesus couldn't SWIM"........You have become a Joke........"NOT INSIGNIFICENT ROLE" has reached Number 1 in the USMB Top 10 of Inane One Liners......Well Done........now that is something I could never achieve.........LOL ..steve

In other words you admit you have NOTHING to support your bogus contention that Israel "created" Hamas. Thanks for playing.

 

[Humanity]

Interesting debate between "creation" and "emergence"....
So, it could be said that Israel 'created' Hamas 'indirectly'... But 'directly' promoted its emergence...
Arguing over whether Hamas was a creation or an emergence is pretty insignificant now....

So what you are saying is if one spins the facts in a certain way, Israel can be blamed for anything one's little heart desires. Got it.
I do agree, however, that the creation vs. emergence issue is pretty insignificant but try to tell that to people like theliq. He's been busy for weeks insisting Israel created and armed Hamas.

Well, no thats NOT what I am saying, thats what YOU said! Clearly!

Creation v emergence is pretty insignificant when you look at the situation, yes. Does it need to be argued about? No, not really...

Hamas DID come about, with the assistance of Israel, that is fact.

The rest is history...

Sp, what of the future?!?!

 

[theliq]

February 12, 2007 Issue
Copyright © 2007 The American Conservative


Making Enemies

How Israel helped to create Hamas

Making Enemies The American Conservative

Again the article does not support the headline. The author states "Indeed, in the 1970s and 80s, Israel played a not insignificant role in encouraging Hamas’s emergence." Once again I remind you that encouraging the charitable, humanitarian version of Hamas does not equate to creating Hamas. I'm certain those who did create Hamas (Hamas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia) would behead you for suggesting that Israel created their organization.

A not insignificant role............which means Significant Role............if you were around when Jesus "Walked on Water" you would have been one of those who reported "That Jesus couldn't SWIM"........You have become a Joke........"NOT INSIGNIFICENT ROLE" has reached Number 1 in the USMB Top 10 of Inane One Liners......Well Done........now that is something I could never achieve.........LOL ..steve

In other words you admit you have NOTHING to support your bogus contention that Israel "created" Hamas. Thanks for playing.

You try Say but you are Sad Say....keep deluding that poor head........steve......we feel for you

 

[SAYIT]

February 12, 2007 Issue
Copyright © 2007 The American Conservative


Making Enemies

How Israel helped to create Hamas

Making Enemies The American Conservative

Again the article does not support the headline. The author states "Indeed, in the 1970s and 80s, Israel played a not insignificant role in encouraging Hamas’s emergence." Once again I remind you that encouraging the charitable, humanitarian version of Hamas does not equate to creating Hamas. I'm certain those who did create Hamas (Hamas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia) would behead you for suggesting that Israel created their organization.

A not insignificant role............which means Significant Role............if you were around when Jesus "Walked on Water" you would have been one of those who reported "That Jesus couldn't SWIM"........You have become a Joke........"NOT INSIGNIFICENT ROLE" has reached Number 1 in the USMB Top 10 of Inane One Liners......Well Done........now that is something I could never achieve.........LOL ..steve

In other words you admit you have NOTHING to support your bogus contention that Israel "created" Hamas. Thanks for playing.

You try Say but you are Sad Say....keep deluding that poor head........steve......we feel for you

We? Exactly how many lying Nazi fuktards are in that little pinhead of yours, Princess?

 

[theliq]

February 12, 2007 Issue
Copyright © 2007 The American Conservative


Making Enemies

How Israel helped to create Hamas

Making Enemies The American Conservative

Again the article does not support the headline. The author states "Indeed, in the 1970s and 80s, Israel played a not insignificant role in encouraging Hamas’s emergence." Once again I remind you that encouraging the charitable, humanitarian version of Hamas does not equate to creating Hamas. I'm certain those who did create Hamas (Hamas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia) would behead you for suggesting that Israel created their organization.

A not insignificant role............which means Significant Role............if you were around when Jesus "Walked on Water" you would have been one of those who reported "That Jesus couldn't SWIM"........You have become a Joke........"NOT INSIGNIFICENT ROLE" has reached Number 1 in the USMB Top 10 of Inane One Liners......Well Done........now that is something I could never achieve.........LOL ..steve

In other words you admit you have NOTHING to support your bogus contention that Israel "created" Hamas. Thanks for playing.

Israel loved Hamas but the relationship was never going to bloom..........but they did have a relationship,which you find impossible to comprehend,even when the facts Slap you across your face ........ and give you a Blood Nose.steven