A Plan to Destroy American Socialism

[Big Fitz]

I've been thinking about how to end the unconstitutional consolidation of power at the federal government for a few months now, and think I came upon a strategy to do this.

Currently I'm calling it "Fragmentation & Reconstitution" The idea simply stated is you divest the federal government of all unconstitutional agencies and powers and budget items, by transferring their budgets and resources to each state they are based in.

The states would get back all their taxes with these resources as is prescribed by the separation of powers doctrine and 10th amendment. They would then have to decide how they continued to find and administer these new responsibilities that should have always been theirs in the first place. If they keep them, they would have the capital (in taxes that are no longer collected by the federal government) if they chose to keep them, or they could end them as is their perogative.

The federal government would instantly receive a massive spending cut, as well as taxes decreasing precipitously on the average tax payer at the federal level.

On the state level, of course, taxes would spike if each state wished to maintain these agencies inside their borders, but those who did not wish to spike taxes or keep what they considered redundant, extraneous or useless programs could cut them and their citizens' taxes.

Now, those who do not wish to live in states who desire to be welfare states, may move to better places, or have a chance of taking control of their state and changing how things are run. The money leaves Washington, causing the concentration of lobbyists and special interests to also fragment, weakening their control on this nation.

I see this type of move as a win/win/win/win/win. Spending decreased, taxes decreased, agency redundancy decreased, corruption decreased and decentralized plus returning the nation to a constitutional basis.

Opine away.

 

[Truthmatters]

Bama will really miss those California bucks

 

[amrchaos]

No!! It is Socialism or Death, Big Fitz!!

It is Socialism or Death!!

Wait--don't shoot me!!​

 

[Big Fitz]

Bama will really miss those California bucks

Bama will really miss those California bucks

Good. I don't care. California will be also getting all their debt and no more bailouts, because the fed won't be able to. Alabama can either pony up the dough to keep services they've been using other state's monies for or let them go too. You seem to think that I'd feel bad about that.

No!! It is Socialism or Death, Big Fitz!!

It is Socialism or Death!!

I'm all for dead socialism.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

I'm all for dead socialism.

Then Russia awaits! You'll love it there... if you know an oligarch...

 

[Darkwind]

I've been thinking about how to end the unconstitutional consolidation of power at the federal government for a few months now, and think I came upon a strategy to do this.

Currently I'm calling it "Fragmentation & Reconstitution" The idea simply stated is you divest the federal government of all unconstitutional agencies and powers and budget items, by transferring their budgets and resources to each state they are based in.

The states would get back all their taxes with these resources as is prescribed by the separation of powers doctrine and 10th amendment. They would then have to decide how they continued to find and administer these new responsibilities that should have always been theirs in the first place. If they keep them, they would have the capital (in taxes that are no longer collected by the federal government) if they chose to keep them, or they could end them as is their perogative.

The federal government would instantly receive a massive spending cut, as well as taxes decreasing precipitously on the average tax payer at the federal level.

On the state level, of course, taxes would spike if each state wished to maintain these agencies inside their borders, but those who did not wish to spike taxes or keep what they considered redundant, extraneous or useless programs could cut them and their citizens' taxes.

Now, those who do not wish to live in states who desire to be welfare states, may move to better places, or have a chance of taking control of their state and changing how things are run. The money leaves Washington, causing the concentration of lobbyists and special interests to also fragment, weakening their control on this nation.

I see this type of move as a win/win/win/win/win. Spending decreased, taxes decreased, agency redundancy decreased, corruption decreased and decentralized plus returning the nation to a constitutional basis.

Opine away.

This is a good first step.

 

[Big Fitz]

I'm all for dead socialism.

Then Russia awaits! You'll love it there... if you know an oligarch...

Nooooo.... I want my constitutionally directed government back. Read the OP.

 

[ihopehefails]

I agree with this post. Most socialist systems require absolute power to create 'utopia' and by making each state government the main legal authority in our lives you take away each government's ability to decide how your are going to live. This makes implementing a socialist agenda at the state level pointless as anyone can opt-out of the 'creation'.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

I do wish you guys would truly learn about socialist states and communism in objective sources (not righty blogs). Your flaunted ignorance is getting really old.

 

[ihopehefails]

I do wish you guys would truly learn about socialist states and communism in objective sources (not righty blogs). Your flaunted ignorance is getting really old.

We plan on leaving you in the 20th century where you belong.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

We plan on leaving you in the 20th century where you belong.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Please, please do learn about the words you toss around. Right wing hack pundits obviously do not know what they're talking about either, nor anyone else spitting "socialist" every 5 minutes. Geez louise...

 

[beowolfe]

I've been thinking about how to end the unconstitutional consolidation of power at the federal government for a few months now, and think I came upon a strategy to do this.

Currently I'm calling it "Fragmentation & Reconstitution" The idea simply stated is you divest the federal government of all unconstitutional agencies and powers and budget items, by transferring their budgets and resources to each state they are based in.

The states would get back all their taxes with these resources as is prescribed by the separation of powers doctrine and 10th amendment. They would then have to decide how they continued to find and administer these new responsibilities that should have always been theirs in the first place. If they keep them, they would have the capital (in taxes that are no longer collected by the federal government) if they chose to keep them, or they could end them as is their perogative.

The federal government would instantly receive a massive spending cut, as well as taxes decreasing precipitously on the average tax payer at the federal level.

On the state level, of course, taxes would spike if each state wished to maintain these agencies inside their borders, but those who did not wish to spike taxes or keep what they considered redundant, extraneous or useless programs could cut them and their citizens' taxes.

Now, those who do not wish to live in states who desire to be welfare states, may move to better places, or have a chance of taking control of their state and changing how things are run. The money leaves Washington, causing the concentration of lobbyists and special interests to also fragment, weakening their control on this nation.

I see this type of move as a win/win/win/win/win. Spending decreased, taxes decreased, agency redundancy decreased, corruption decreased and decentralized plus returning the nation to a constitutional basis.

Opine away.

I think Section 8 Clause 18 of the constitution might be a bit of a problem for your plan.

The Congress shall have Power - To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

 

[beowolfe]

I've been thinking about how to end the unconstitutional consolidation of power at the federal government for a few months now, and think I came upon a strategy to do this.

Currently I'm calling it "Fragmentation & Reconstitution" The idea simply stated is you divest the federal government of all unconstitutional agencies and powers and budget items, by transferring their budgets and resources to each state they are based in.

The states would get back all their taxes with these resources as is prescribed by the separation of powers doctrine and 10th amendment. They would then have to decide how they continued to find and administer these new responsibilities that should have always been theirs in the first place. If they keep them, they would have the capital (in taxes that are no longer collected by the federal government) if they chose to keep them, or they could end them as is their perogative.

The federal government would instantly receive a massive spending cut, as well as taxes decreasing precipitously on the average tax payer at the federal level.

On the state level, of course, taxes would spike if each state wished to maintain these agencies inside their borders, but those who did not wish to spike taxes or keep what they considered redundant, extraneous or useless programs could cut them and their citizens' taxes.

Now, those who do not wish to live in states who desire to be welfare states, may move to better places, or have a chance of taking control of their state and changing how things are run. The money leaves Washington, causing the concentration of lobbyists and special interests to also fragment, weakening their control on this nation.

I see this type of move as a win/win/win/win/win. Spending decreased, taxes decreased, agency redundancy decreased, corruption decreased and decentralized plus returning the nation to a constitutional basis.

Opine away.

This is a good first step.

I'm supposing that you will do this 'AFTER' you overthrow the government and the civil war that ensues, correct?

In case you don't know why I said that; what you're proposing is not constiutional and would require that the current system be overthrown. As for the civil war part, I think enough Americans would think that your plan is looney and would fight.

 

[Darkwind]

I've been thinking about how to end the unconstitutional consolidation of power at the federal government for a few months now, and think I came upon a strategy to do this.

Currently I'm calling it "Fragmentation & Reconstitution" The idea simply stated is you divest the federal government of all unconstitutional agencies and powers and budget items, by transferring their budgets and resources to each state they are based in.

The states would get back all their taxes with these resources as is prescribed by the separation of powers doctrine and 10th amendment. They would then have to decide how they continued to find and administer these new responsibilities that should have always been theirs in the first place. If they keep them, they would have the capital (in taxes that are no longer collected by the federal government) if they chose to keep them, or they could end them as is their perogative.

The federal government would instantly receive a massive spending cut, as well as taxes decreasing precipitously on the average tax payer at the federal level.

On the state level, of course, taxes would spike if each state wished to maintain these agencies inside their borders, but those who did not wish to spike taxes or keep what they considered redundant, extraneous or useless programs could cut them and their citizens' taxes.

Now, those who do not wish to live in states who desire to be welfare states, may move to better places, or have a chance of taking control of their state and changing how things are run. The money leaves Washington, causing the concentration of lobbyists and special interests to also fragment, weakening their control on this nation.

I see this type of move as a win/win/win/win/win. Spending decreased, taxes decreased, agency redundancy decreased, corruption decreased and decentralized plus returning the nation to a constitutional basis.

Opine away.

This is a good first step.

I'm supposing that you will do this 'AFTER' you overthrow the government and the civil war that ensues, correct?

In case you don't know why I said that; what you're proposing is not constiutional and would require that the current system be overthrown. As for the civil war part, I think enough Americans would think that your plan is looney and would fight.

It requires no such thing. A simple return to the Bill of Rights will suffice for implementing the OP's idea's.

 

[Charles Stucker]

The idea simply stated is you divest the federal government of all unconstitutional agencies and powers and budget items

I'm supposing that you will do this 'AFTER' you overthrow the government and the civil war that ensues, correct?

In case you don't know why I said that; what you're proposing is not constiutional

How would it be "unconstitutional" to remove from the Federal Government the "unconstitutional agencies"?
Is it because YOU are in favor of said agencies and don't want them shut down? Do YOU directly benefit from some unconstitutional federal agency?
Or did you just misread the OP and like a good little "Big Gub'mint come take care o us po lil leeches" you immediately attacked to defend your perks?

 

[ihopehefails]

I've been thinking about how to end the unconstitutional consolidation of power at the federal government for a few months now, and think I came upon a strategy to do this.

Currently I'm calling it "Fragmentation & Reconstitution" The idea simply stated is you divest the federal government of all unconstitutional agencies and powers and budget items, by transferring their budgets and resources to each state they are based in.

The states would get back all their taxes with these resources as is prescribed by the separation of powers doctrine and 10th amendment. They would then have to decide how they continued to find and administer these new responsibilities that should have always been theirs in the first place. If they keep them, they would have the capital (in taxes that are no longer collected by the federal government) if they chose to keep them, or they could end them as is their perogative.

The federal government would instantly receive a massive spending cut, as well as taxes decreasing precipitously on the average tax payer at the federal level.

On the state level, of course, taxes would spike if each state wished to maintain these agencies inside their borders, but those who did not wish to spike taxes or keep what they considered redundant, extraneous or useless programs could cut them and their citizens' taxes.

Now, those who do not wish to live in states who desire to be welfare states, may move to better places, or have a chance of taking control of their state and changing how things are run. The money leaves Washington, causing the concentration of lobbyists and special interests to also fragment, weakening their control on this nation.

I see this type of move as a win/win/win/win/win. Spending decreased, taxes decreased, agency redundancy decreased, corruption decreased and decentralized plus returning the nation to a constitutional basis.

Opine away.

I think Section 8 Clause 18 of the constitution might be a bit of a problem for your plan.

The Congress shall have Power - To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

This is the thing that actually limits the federal government to enforcing laws that are only constitutional to begin with. Everything else is ignorable.

 

[Big Fitz]

I've been thinking about how to end the unconstitutional consolidation of power at the federal government for a few months now, and think I came upon a strategy to do this.

Currently I'm calling it "Fragmentation & Reconstitution" The idea simply stated is you divest the federal government of all unconstitutional agencies and powers and budget items, by transferring their budgets and resources to each state they are based in.

The states would get back all their taxes with these resources as is prescribed by the separation of powers doctrine and 10th amendment. They would then have to decide how they continued to find and administer these new responsibilities that should have always been theirs in the first place. If they keep them, they would have the capital (in taxes that are no longer collected by the federal government) if they chose to keep them, or they could end them as is their perogative.

The federal government would instantly receive a massive spending cut, as well as taxes decreasing precipitously on the average tax payer at the federal level.

On the state level, of course, taxes would spike if each state wished to maintain these agencies inside their borders, but those who did not wish to spike taxes or keep what they considered redundant, extraneous or useless programs could cut them and their citizens' taxes.

Now, those who do not wish to live in states who desire to be welfare states, may move to better places, or have a chance of taking control of their state and changing how things are run. The money leaves Washington, causing the concentration of lobbyists and special interests to also fragment, weakening their control on this nation.

I see this type of move as a win/win/win/win/win. Spending decreased, taxes decreased, agency redundancy decreased, corruption decreased and decentralized plus returning the nation to a constitutional basis.

Opine away.

This is a good first step.

I'm supposing that you will do this 'AFTER' you overthrow the government and the civil war that ensues, correct?

In case you don't know why I said that; what you're proposing is not constiutional and would require that the current system be overthrown. As for the civil war part, I think enough Americans would think that your plan is looney and would fight.

Do this and you can have your socialist utopian states. We can have our capitalist utopian states, and there will be no need for civil war... for a while.

It requires no such thing. A simple return to the Bill of Rights will suffice for implementing the OP's idea's.

He's right about Section 8 and executive power. You would need a president on board to do such a thing. So, in 3 years it's possible. No way in hell is P-BO gonna make it past that, and even he knows it.

How would it be "unconstitutional" to remove from the Federal Government the "unconstitutional agencies"?
Is it because YOU are in favor of said agencies and don't want them shut down? Do YOU directly benefit from some unconstitutional federal agency?
Or did you just misread the OP and like a good little "Big Gub'mint come take care o us po lil leeches" you immediately attacked to defend your perks?

Upon looking closer at the proposal, no single agency will be shut down. They will just be removed from the federal government and their assets, personnel, materiel and mission will be delegated to state level as they are broken up. It will be up to the state to decide then to continue to fund them, or shut it down as redundant.

Only agencies, acts, and legal structures that fit within the STRICT ENUMERATED POWERS of the federal government would be left to them.

So essentially, every Executive level department created after 1951 would be split up and given to the states, or shared between a region of states if there is a regional base of operations. It would be up to those states to share the costs, opt out, split up the resources or shut it down all together.

No more one size fits all government administration. And then... if you don't like what you're state is doing... you can move and be free of it. Those states who fail, will suffer the consequences, while those who succeed will reap their rewards.

Equitable, fair and accountable. No more protecting failure and incompetence on the part of elected officials and their policies.