a new party

[Cecilie1200]

republicans have gone too far right

How so? Which specific policies do you consider "too far right"?

Note how anynameyouwish Mac1958 HappyJoy ignore your simple question...why you ask?
Because they can’t give you an honest rational answer.
They hate that conservatives remain committed to preserving and protecting American history, traditions, values and laws.
What they really mean is;
“why do Conservatives resist and denounce our push to CHANGE America into the anything goes, no boundaries, commie-lite shithole we seek, why don’t they want all of America to become Mexifornia / Loon York?”

Ripping apart kids from their families, locking them up for months only to eventually permanently separate them from their parent. I don't think that is a moderate view point.

"Accept this highly emotional and inaccurate slogan as reality!"

Continuing your streak of "talking to the voices in my head" posts, I see.

I can't hear the voices in your head. Why are you quoting yourself?

Ahh, the old leftist standby of "Looking too stupid to understand words is a brilliant debate tactic!"

Of course, what other choice do you have, since you actually ARE too stupid to understand words?

 

[Mac-7]

we need a third party for the majority of us who are moderates

You and your kind are 2 %ers at best

 

[Cecilie1200]

republicans have gone too far right

How so? Which specific policies do you consider "too far right"?

Pulling us out of the Paris Climate agreement
Kids in cages
stuff like that.

So Obama is to far right?

Obama didn't rip kids from their families and lock them up for months only to lose them. The Obama policy was to temporarily hold kids who showed up at the border without family and then hand them over to HHS.

Well, that's certainly what you've been told to think this week, anyway.

You're welcome to refute it at any time.

To you? What's the point? You never hear the actual words people say; you only hear the words you WISH they were saying. Every post out of you is, "I think what you're actually saying is this line from my mental script".

 

[HappyJoy]

You're gong to have to define what it is to be moderate these days. Not that you can't, I just genuinely don't know what that means anymore.

moderate is supporting the constitution as written,,,

What you really mean is to interpret the Constitution as believed by conservatives. Doesn't sound moderate to me.

Only insofar as what conservatives believe is what's actually written. And how can you say it "doesn't sound moderate to you", when you just got done telling us you have no idea what moderate means? Do you even listen to yourself?

I get it, conservatives think they are moderate. Enjoy your day.

I get it, you don't like any conversation that deviates from the script you have in your head. Every post from you is, "What you really mean is THIS, because that's the line I want to argue against!"

Enjoy your stupid.

I think what you're really trying to say is...well, I don't really care, you didn't really say anything at all, did you?

Oh, I'm sorry, did I not make the permission to run away like the dickless weasel you are clear enough?

No, you have my permission to run away however you wish. Odd choice though.

 

[HappyJoy]

republicans have gone too far right

How so? Which specific policies do you consider "too far right"?

Pulling us out of the Paris Climate agreement
Kids in cages
stuff like that.

So Obama is to far right?

Obama didn't rip kids from their families and lock them up for months only to lose them. The Obama policy was to temporarily hold kids who showed up at the border without family and then hand them over to HHS.

Well, that's certainly what you've been told to think this week, anyway.

You're welcome to refute it at any time.

To you? What's the point? You never hear the actual words people say; you only hear the words you WISH they were saying. Every post out of you is, "I think what you're actually saying is this line from my mental script".

In other words you're dickless weasling it.

 

[initforme]

Moderates are the most patriotic folk. We need a party that stands for strengthening social security and Medicare for older retired folk. Those two programs may very well be two of the greatest things this nation has ever created.

 

[Unkotare]

democrats are moving too far left

republicans have gone too far right

i find myself appreciating rinos and dinos more these days

we need a third party for the majority of us who are moderates

conservatives are mainstream, the Dems are far left wing extremist who are attempting create a one Party banana republic

right wingers are not mainstream

REAL conservatives might be but right wingers are not

I am a conservative as it applies to how I live my life. I follow an ideology that helps me make decisions for myself, my family , my community and my business.
Does that make me a right winger?
Lets do the check box.

Personal responsibility....check
Learn from my mistakes....check
do not blame others for my decisions.....check
Do not count on others to help me.....check
Do not ask others to help me.....check
Never count on government to help me other than national security which I am not allowed to be a prat of....check
Abortion....dont believe in it as I was supposed to be an aborted baby....and instead I am 35 years married, well educated, a couple of married kids and a business that survivied COVID....BUT....I will always support a SCOTUS decision....check
I am not a fan of welfare but my human emotion allows me to respect it and support it....albeit. no fan at all. I never took it and trust me...at the age of 22 and homeless, I needed it.

SO am I a right winger?

You tell me.

no


i respect all of your positions

and i want pot legal and equal rights for gays, atheists, nonchristians

and i dont want the bible used as law of the land

am i a leftwinger?

......do you have any idea what you are asking for when you want '' police killings''' to stop????!!
do?????
.....a perfect world!!! you do know it's not a perfect world--humans are not perfect
.....if you people are thinking at all, you are thinking with your emotions
gt in the real world
..this is REAL life--not the movies

Can you go into detail on your first sentence?

sure--all explained here:

there is no police brutality problem

..there are 10 MILLION arrests per year--this is not counting traffic stops ..there are 30 million calls for police assistance ..and how many without--a--question--police caused murder/manslaughter deaths ??? let's go high and say 30 [ and 30 is a lot more than there really is ] ..that's 1...

www.usmessageboard.com

So, there are various studies that demonstrate cops treat people differently depending on race. It can be to the extreme when LEOs commit murder to simply pulling over someone because the color of their skin to everything in-between.

.....bullshit-----bullshit-----they don't treat them differently because of their skin color!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
..you people have been brainwashed so much you believe that INSANITY

The Covid is making your OCD worse.

 

[anynameyouwish]

democrats are moving too far left
republicans have gone too far right
i find myself appreciating rinos and dinos more these days
we need a third party for the majority of us who are moderates

I've largely given up on this idea, considering the stranglehold the two "major" parties have on our election system. Plus, if such a party can't appear NOW, as ridiculous and polarized as things are, one NEVER will.

What I'm hoping now is that one of the parties will wake up and realize that a majority of the country wants moderation and cooperation, and be the first to take advantage of that. The problem is that the wings have most of the energy, and therefore the influence.

I don't know what fixes this.

It is actually more simple than you realize.
The Constitution is not a living document. It is a guideline.
It has resulted in the development of a union
It has allowed the freeing of people in bondage
It has allowed for fair elections
It has allowed for a SCOTUS that makes monumental decisions
It has allowed for the right to vote for women
It has allowed for the right to vote for all Americans
It has allowed for equal rights for all Americans
It has allowed for 3 equal branches of government offering checks and balances.

Sure, we were imperfect as a country back in the 1700's....we were new, we had habits of our heritages.....but it is our constitution that FORCED us to right our wrongs.

So what fixes it? Let the constitution do its job.

It really isnt that difficult. Only to the politicians who are trying to get votes.

And THAT is the problem.

Let the Constitution do what? Mind explaining further?

Not to start an argument. What is considered moderate these days? Like for these topics:
abortion
healthcare
taxes
national defense
foreign policy at large
What is the moderate position on each?

Abortion is the closest to being a binary argument. The rest all exist along a continuum and are not binary.

And I think we've fallen into a trap, thinking that one side has to "win" on any given issue, and one side has to "lose".

How about both sides collaborating, innovating, and creating something NEW, like our Constitution? That way we all have skin in the game.

America used to be able to innovate, back when we were great.

I agree, progress is only made through compromise and collaboration. But, that's not really a stance it's just asking the current parties to talk to each other. I was more curious as to what are the political beliefs of a moderate. Usually when they are asked it's quite clear that they would more than fit into one party or the other.

I think there are a couple of characteristics, depending on the individual moderate. So:

• Some moderates have strong feelings on any given issue, but their opinions as a whole don't fit with one of the tribes. So, a moderate may be passionately pro choice and passionately pro lowering income taxes. Neither tribe, then, is a fit for them.
• Some moderates really do want to find some kind of middle ground on most issues. They believe that there are decent or fair arguments on both ends, and want to at least begin the conversation by finding shared views and going from there.
• Some moderates think that both tribes are narcissistic gasbags and would rather just approach each issue on its own merits, taking some ideas from column A, some from column B, and the rest from new ideas.

My two cents, anyway.

I don't think you have to be a 'moderate' to want to compromise. As a liberal, I'd rather get something rather than nothing.

But since this thread is about a moderate party, what is that exactly? How are a group of people who claim to be in the middle however their various opinions on a range of topics will individually slide from liberal to conservative leaning is supposed to make up a cohesive political party?

That I couldn't tell you, since we've never really had one. I think a glimpse of it came a few years ago when there was talk of a Kasich/Hickenlooper ticket.

But to your point, I think a party that was clearly committed to collaboration and new ideas would draw many people who didn't necessarily agree with its candidates on every issue. So the appeal would be more about general approach than specific positions.

Please do not build John Kasich into what he is not. He is far from moderate.

Lets see.
the constitution allowed for women to vote. It was only because of the constitution that were given the right to vote. I agree with the decision and I respect it.
The consitution allowed for the decision of Roe V Wade. I disagree with the decision, but I respect it.

You see, our constitution was written in a way where it allowed for debate and it allowed for majority decision and implementation of laws and rights.

Seems to be working well.

Albeit, there are those that say it is a living document and we must adjust to it.

To me? That is wrong. It is a document and we must apply it....not Obey it....that would be wrong....apply it. And that is what we do.

And it is working.

Good points but it only works when people stand up for rights. I think that is why many call it a living document.

We have three branches of government. 2 of them are elected and one is appointed by the executive branch...however...with the confirmation of the senate. Those elections are how people can stand up for their rights. But when people are voted in they still must adhere to the constitution as it is a guidance for legislative decisions made by those elected.
Sure, protests are good....and they allow the legislators to hesitate and reconsider....but it is the constitution that keeps them in check and not simply do what they want to do for votes, but instead so what the constitution has deemed best for the overall good.
I know...the left would love to toss the constitution. But without it? We would not have women voting, African Americans voting. abortion legalized. The ACLU pushing rights of Americans.
The constitution ensures we do the right thing and not do something that can be damaging.
A good example is the ACA. Justice Roberts was well aware that the constitution does not allow for forcing anyone to purchase something from the day they are born to the day they die. So he called it a tax.
For right or wrong and regardless of how you feel...it was the constitution that guided that decision. And without the creativity of Justice Roberts, the act was unconstitutional.

Just thin about this....what if a law was passed that said you MUST buy only American made cars....and you MUST buy it at no age older than 18? It is the constitution that prevents such ridiculous laws being imposed on the American People.

You abject to health care as a right? I do not. Millions of others feel as I do.

You cannot have a right to the services of others, no matter how much you may "feelz" that you do, and no matter how many other people also "feelz" it's okay to enslave people for their convenience.

Perhaps you should investigate the meaning of the word "right".

so you agree that you dont have a RIGHT to enter an establishment that has a Mask only policy.

good for you.

 

[harmonica]

democrats are moving too far left

republicans have gone too far right

i find myself appreciating rinos and dinos more these days

we need a third party for the majority of us who are moderates

conservatives are mainstream, the Dems are far left wing extremist who are attempting create a one Party banana republic

right wingers are not mainstream

REAL conservatives might be but right wingers are not

I am a conservative as it applies to how I live my life. I follow an ideology that helps me make decisions for myself, my family , my community and my business.
Does that make me a right winger?
Lets do the check box.

Personal responsibility....check
Learn from my mistakes....check
do not blame others for my decisions.....check
Do not count on others to help me.....check
Do not ask others to help me.....check
Never count on government to help me other than national security which I am not allowed to be a prat of....check
Abortion....dont believe in it as I was supposed to be an aborted baby....and instead I am 35 years married, well educated, a couple of married kids and a business that survivied COVID....BUT....I will always support a SCOTUS decision....check
I am not a fan of welfare but my human emotion allows me to respect it and support it....albeit. no fan at all. I never took it and trust me...at the age of 22 and homeless, I needed it.

SO am I a right winger?

You tell me.

no


i respect all of your positions

and i want pot legal and equal rights for gays, atheists, nonchristians

and i dont want the bible used as law of the land

am i a leftwinger?

......do you have any idea what you are asking for when you want '' police killings''' to stop????!!
do?????
.....a perfect world!!! you do know it's not a perfect world--humans are not perfect
.....if you people are thinking at all, you are thinking with your emotions
gt in the real world
..this is REAL life--not the movies

Can you go into detail on your first sentence?

sure--all explained here:

there is no police brutality problem

..there are 10 MILLION arrests per year--this is not counting traffic stops ..there are 30 million calls for police assistance ..and how many without--a--question--police caused murder/manslaughter deaths ??? let's go high and say 30 [ and 30 is a lot more than there really is ] ..that's 1...

www.usmessageboard.com

So, there are various studies that demonstrate cops treat people differently depending on race. It can be to the extreme when LEOs commit murder to simply pulling over someone because the color of their skin to everything in-between.

.....bullshit-----bullshit-----they don't treat them differently because of their skin color!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
..you people have been brainwashed so much you believe that INSANITY

The Covid is making your OCD worse.

thank you Unko--my BFF....I agree

 

[initforme]

We have mask only entry here...the choice of the business. It's their call. I applaud them

 

[progressive hunter]

Moderates are the most patriotic folk. We need a party that stands for strengthening social security and Medicare for older retired folk. Those two programs may very well be two of the greatest things this nation has ever created.

those are the two worst programs in the federal government for a variety of reasons and need abolished or taken to the state level where its legal to have them,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

We have mask only entry here...the choice of the business. It's their call. I applaud them

its not the choice of the business,, they are forced to do it or face a fine,,

 

[HappyJoy]

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Moderates are the most patriotic folk. We need a party that stands for strengthening social security and Medicare for older retired folk. Those two programs may very well be two of the greatest things this nation has ever created.

those are the two worst programs in the federal government for a variety of reasons and need abolished or taken to the state level where its legal to have them,,,

Pretty sure they passed legal muster.

For the normals out there, the Democratic party is full of moderates that want to protect both programs.

 

[progressive hunter]

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Moderates are the most patriotic folk. We need a party that stands for strengthening social security and Medicare for older retired folk. Those two programs may very well be two of the greatest things this nation has ever created.

those are the two worst programs in the federal government for a variety of reasons and need abolished or taken to the state level where its legal to have them,,,

Pretty sure they passed legal muster.

For the normals out there, the Democratic party is full of moderates that want to protect both programs.

thats authoritarian not moderate,,,

and ponzi schemes are not legal,,

 

[anynameyouwish]

Moderates are the most patriotic folk. We need a party that stands for strengthening social security and Medicare for older retired folk. Those two programs may very well be two of the greatest things this nation has ever created.

those are the two worst programs in the federal government for a variety of reasons and need abolished or taken to the state level where its legal to have them,,,

yes
i look forward to the day that 90 year old people who worked their whole lives helping trump become a multi billionaire are tossed out into the streets because they are too old to work.

 

[MarathonMike]

democrats are moving too far left

republicans have gone too far right

i find myself appreciating rinos and dinos more these days

we need a third party for the majority of us who are moderates

Donald Trump needs to pull a Teddy Roosevelt and create the The American Worker Party.

 

[progressive hunter]

Moderates are the most patriotic folk. We need a party that stands for strengthening social security and Medicare for older retired folk. Those two programs may very well be two of the greatest things this nation has ever created.

those are the two worst programs in the federal government for a variety of reasons and need abolished or taken to the state level where its legal to have them,,,

yes
i look forward to the day that 90 year old people who worked their whole lives helping trump become a multi billionaire are tossed out into the streets because they are too old to work.

do try and keep your TDS in check,, its really hard to have a productive discussion,,,

as I said ,, take it to the state level,, the best government is one closest to the people,,

 

[HappyJoy]

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Moderates are the most patriotic folk. We need a party that stands for strengthening social security and Medicare for older retired folk. Those two programs may very well be two of the greatest things this nation has ever created.

those are the two worst programs in the federal government for a variety of reasons and need abolished or taken to the state level where its legal to have them,,,

Pretty sure they passed legal muster.

For the normals out there, the Democratic party is full of moderates that want to protect both programs.

thats authoritarian not moderate,,,

and ponzi schemes are not legal,,

Gosh, I find it amazing that moderates have such a hard time picking between the two parties.

 

[22lcidw]

For the Baby Boomers on...The real Party is the one we have been having since the 1960's. To many fried people.

 

[anynameyouwish]

democrats are moving too far left

republicans have gone too far right

i find myself appreciating rinos and dinos more these days

we need a third party for the majority of us who are moderates

Donald Trump needs to pull a Teddy Roosevelt and create the The American Worker Party.

i wouldnt join a party that would have him for a member

or you.

you are banned from our party.

we only allow decent people.

off with you
be gone

dont make me call the police

they will hand cuff you
tase you
beat you with clubs
take selfies
then arrest you for disturbing the peace