A New Hybrid Jet Fighter for US

[harmonica]

the best fighter of WW2 was a ''hybrid'' American-British
...fine, we need to produce better aircraft--but not at the expense of other areas such as anti-terror/drones/tech/land warfare/etc

It wasn't a hybrid. It was built to be a long-distance, air superiority fighter to escort our bombers.

wasn't it an American ''frame''/etc with British engine?
P-51 Mustang | Facts, Specifications, & History

 

[gipper]

I stand by my prior post, as the unemployment rate has nothing to do with the facts I posted.

It certainly does. USA is prosperous economically but there are always some idiots who don't understand that their military and the protection it affords is part of what makes it that way. You're in here moaning about how hard Americans have it but unemployment rate is one just many measures that indicates how strong the economy is.

You certainly shouldn't be talking about "facts" when you were busted telling a blatant lie about the poverty rate.

LOL. Our military is not protecting us. It is attacking and intimidating others nations All for the benefit of the ruling class.

War is a racket and always about the health of the State.

If you knew history, you would know that a nation in a state of perpetual war, is also perpetually eliminating the rights of it’s citizens. We Americans have witnessed this phenomenon first hand since 9/11. At least those of us paying attention know it. Apparently you don’t.

 

[frigidweirdo]

A brilliant idea. That will naturally meet stiff resistance from those set to make $$$$ by building more F-35s.

Lockheed Martin has been pitching the US Air Force a hybrid between the F-22 and the F-35.

The F-22 is the world's best air-to-air combat plane, and the F-35 has the best sensors and abilities to knock out air defenses.

Combining the two would create a jet much better than either one individually.

But by creating an all-around better jet could kill the market for the F-35, which has just started to come online and is the most expensive weapons system in history.

So, instead of more billions for s sixth-generation fighter, combine the best of the two fifth-generation birds to make the ultimate machine. It all comes down to putting newer, more powerful computers and technology into the F-22 airframe.

More @ The US military is quietly talking about a new hybrid fighter jet that could kill the F-35

The future of warfare is.... hacking. These jets are generally used against weak countries with the "potential" for fighting Russia or China.

But the wars with Russia and China are just going to be computer based. So....

 

[K9Buck]

the best fighter of WW2 was a ''hybrid'' American-British
...fine, we need to produce better aircraft--but not at the expense of other areas such as anti-terror/drones/tech/land warfare/etc

It wasn't a hybrid. It was built to be a long-distance, air superiority fighter to escort our bombers.

wasn't it an American ''frame''/etc with British engine?
P-51 Mustang | Facts, Specifications, & History

Yes but a hybrid refers to dual-capability aircraft. The P-51 was built with one purpose in mind. It did also engage in strafing runs, but it was built to escort and dominate the sky, which it definitely did.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

the best fighter of WW2 was a ''hybrid'' American-British
...fine, we need to produce better aircraft--but not at the expense of other areas such as anti-terror/drones/tech/land warfare/etc

It wasn't a hybrid. It was built to be a long-distance, air superiority fighter to escort our bombers.

wasn't it an American ''frame''/etc with British engine?
P-51 Mustang | Facts, Specifications, & History

Yes but a hybrid refers to dual-capability aircraft. The P-51 was built with one purpose in mind. It did also engage in strafing runs, but it was built to escort and dominate the sky, which it definitely did.

Only after it was mated to the Packard Bell Merlin Engine. The work on the 2 stage 2 speed supercharger for the allison was never properly funded and it turned into a bust. Had it been properly funded, the P-51A would have had it on the Allison and the Merlin would have never been needed to be mated to it. Plus, the P-39 and the P-40 would have been world beaters. They did mate a Merlin to a P-40 and got some remarkable performance out of it much better than the ME-109 but not as good as the P-51B so it was abandoned. I wonder just how fast the P-38 would have been (the original P-38H topped out at 433) had it received the merlins but it was already faster in all altitudes than the ME-109 except for the K at one specific altitude and fuel load so they didn't do it. But by the time the P-38J-25-LO made the scene, the problems were all ironed out and the German Planes no longer dived with the results they expected from the earlier P-38s. By early 1944, the German Fighters and Pilots were badly outclassed by the big 3 US Fighters and Pilots.

BTW, the P-51B,C,D were used for ground attack but that was only targets of opportunity after it finished with it's bomber escort on it's way home. The P-38 and the P-47 both were oftentimes used as dedicated ground attack because they could absorb damage much better and make it home. One hit on the radiator on a P-51 and you were either crashing or hitting the silk.

The fact that the P-51 could escort the Bombers the entire way from England to Berlin and back is a myth. The normal mission was done as a relay. Usually, the P-47, having the shortest legs, would pick the bombers up over the channel, escort them deep into France and hand them off to P-38s or P-51s. The P-38s or P-51s would escort the bombers well into German and then hand them off to another group of P-51 who would fly ahead of the bombers deep into Germany, peel off, then pick them up again on the way back out. At some point, the P-51s would break off and go ground hunting on their way home. The P-38s and P-47s would already be doing the same on their way home. Any one of the 3 could have been confronted by enemy fighters but the last leg was the most likely to meet with the largest number of enemy fighters. As the fighter sweeps continued the German Fighters stayed closer to home as there were fewer and fewer pilots to fly them. Bomber escorting took a lot of gas for fighters and no fighter had the range to escort the bombers the entire journey.

 

[harmonica]

the best fighter of WW2 was a ''hybrid'' American-British
...fine, we need to produce better aircraft--but not at the expense of other areas such as anti-terror/drones/tech/land warfare/etc

It wasn't a hybrid. It was built to be a long-distance, air superiority fighter to escort our bombers.

wasn't it an American ''frame''/etc with British engine?
P-51 Mustang | Facts, Specifications, & History

Yes but a hybrid refers to dual-capability aircraft. The P-51 was built with one purpose in mind. It did also engage in strafing runs, but it was built to escort and dominate the sky, which it definitely did.

hy·brid
adjective

1. 1.
   of mixed character; composed of mixed parts.

 

[K9Buck]

the best fighter of WW2 was a ''hybrid'' American-British
...fine, we need to produce better aircraft--but not at the expense of other areas such as anti-terror/drones/tech/land warfare/etc

It wasn't a hybrid. It was built to be a long-distance, air superiority fighter to escort our bombers.

wasn't it an American ''frame''/etc with British engine?
P-51 Mustang | Facts, Specifications, & History

Yes but a hybrid refers to dual-capability aircraft. The P-51 was built with one purpose in mind. It did also engage in strafing runs, but it was built to escort and dominate the sky, which it definitely did.

hy·brid
adjective

1. 1.
   of mixed character; composed of mixed parts.

I thought we were referring to dual and single purpose aircraft with regard to "hybrid".

F-35 is a hybrid as it's dual purpose. The F-22 is not a hybrid as it's only purpose is air superiority.

 

[DrainBamage]

LOL. Our military is not protecting us. It is attacking and intimidating others nations All for the benefit of the ruling class.

He said, his belly full and his nation uninvaded.

If you knew history, you would know that a nation in a state of perpetual war, is also perpetually eliminating the rights of it’s citizens. We Americans have witnessed this phenomenon first hand since 9/11. At least those of us paying attention know it. Apparently you don’t.

Sorry, we don't accept "if you knew" proposals from someone just busted lying about 12.3% poverty rate being nearly 50%.

 

[gipper]

LOL. Our military is not protecting us. It is attacking and intimidating others nations All for the benefit of the ruling class.

He said, his belly full and his nation uninvaded.

If you knew history, you would know that a nation in a state of perpetual war, is also perpetually eliminating the rights of it’s citizens. We Americans have witnessed this phenomenon first hand since 9/11. At least those of us paying attention know it. Apparently you don’t.

Sorry, we don't accept "if you knew" proposals from someone just busted lying about 12.3% poverty rate being nearly 50%.

Yes you must have a bogey man, so the ruling class can continue to enrich and empower itself. Stop this kind of unthoughtful thinking.

There is no nation on earth capable of defeating the USA. You must know this. Now if our criminal government would leave other nations alone, no one would wish us harm. But then, there would be no need for a massive interventionist military. Thus the perpetual need for a bogie man.

So, do you see the conundrum?

 

[DrainBamage]

Yes you must have a bogey man, so the ruling class can continue to enrich and empower itself. Stop this kind of unthoughtful thinking.

Sorry, we don't accept accusations of unthoughtful thinking from a liar caught making up facts about the poverty rate. When you show you're that motivated to lie, you clearly don't have much of an argument do you? If you did, you wouldn't need to lie.

There is no nation on earth capable of defeating the USA.

Exactly! So our citizens are fat and happy. Why? Because of the strong military you want to gut. Dumbass.

 

[gipper]

Yes you must have a bogey man, so the ruling class can continue to enrich and empower itself. Stop this kind of unthoughtful thinking.

Sorry, we don't accept accusations of unthoughtful thinking from a liar caught making up facts about the poverty rate. When you show you're that motivated to lie, you clearly don't have much of an argument do you? If you did, you wouldn't need to lie.

There is no nation on earth capable of defeating the USA.

Exactly! So our citizens are fat and happy. Why? Because of the strong military you want to gut. Dumbass.

You are incapable of reading and comprehending. Try again. Please.
Most Americans can't cover a $1,000 emergency
Yes, Half of Americans Are In or Near Poverty: Here's More Evidence

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Yes you must have a bogey man, so the ruling class can continue to enrich and empower itself. Stop this kind of unthoughtful thinking.

Sorry, we don't accept accusations of unthoughtful thinking from a liar caught making up facts about the poverty rate. When you show you're that motivated to lie, you clearly don't have much of an argument do you? If you did, you wouldn't need to lie.

There is no nation on earth capable of defeating the USA.

Exactly! So our citizens are fat and happy. Why? Because of the strong military you want to gut. Dumbass.

You are incapable of reading and comprehending. Try again. Please.
Most Americans can't cover a $1,000 emergency
Yes, Half of Americans Are In or Near Poverty: Here's More Evidence

You do have a point. And the Military gets benefits from that in recruitment. The better the economy and living level is, the poorer the enlistments are. The US Army missed it's yearly quota by over 6000 this time.

 

[DrainBamage]

You are incapable of reading and comprehending. Try again. Please.
Most Americans can't cover a $1,000 emergency
Yes, Half of Americans Are In or Near Poverty: Here's More Evidence

First link is an opinion piece that claims the poverty rate is flawed, they are implying the household income level for poverty rate should be the same as the median household income. That is not an internationally accepted standard for poverty rate, I can find opinion pieces that say the world is flat that doesn't make it so.

Fact = Current US poverty rate is less than 13%. There are lists by international organizations that put it as 15%. Either way, you claiming nearly half of Americans live in poverty is a blatant life.

Second link does not prove your point at all, it says absolutely nothing about poverty rate and more about an American culture of not saving. I had a coworker who was a computer programmer making six figures but he was always struggling to make ends meet because he had a spending problem, he'd probably qualify as someone who couldn't come up with $1,000 and he sure as hell wasn't in poverty dude drove a BMW.

Why are you forced to lie about the poverty level to try to make a point?