A must-read, "Islamophobia & Anti-Semitism: Everything Old Is New Again"

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Page detailing and comparing old Nazi rhetoric about Jews, and modern rhetoric 'Islamophobia' about Muslims.

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"Judaism was not a religion. “Argument 1: “You say that religion is a private matter. But you fight against the Jewish religion!” Counterargument: “Actually, the Jewish religion is nothing other than a doctrine to preserve the Jewish race.” (Adolf Hitler). “In resisting all government attempts to nationalize them, the Jews build a state within the state (Count Helmuth von Moltke). “To call this state a ‘religion’ was one of the cleverest tricks ever invented.” (Adolf Hitler). “From this first lie that Jewry is a religion, not a race, further lies inevitably follow.” (Adolf Hitler).”"

"Westerners “don’t want to judge anybody based on their [religion]. [But] Islam is not a religion. Islam is a very dangerous political ideology…. There is no such thing as radical Islam and regular Islam or spiritual Islam….There is only one Islam.” Wafa Sultan, FMU"
 
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Can't help but notice that the religion most responsible for the Jewish Holocaust, and most responsible for current Islamophobia are the same.
 

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“(Islam) is the only major world religion with a developed doctrine and tradition of warfare against unbelievers.”

I can't think of another major religion like that. Can you?
 

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Page detailing and comparing old Nazi rhetoric about Jews, and modern rhetoric 'Islamophobia' about Muslims.

An example, lots more at link:

"Judaism was not a religion. “Argument 1: “You say that religion is a private matter. But you fight against the Jewish religion!” Counterargument: “Actually, the Jewish religion is nothing other than a doctrine to preserve the Jewish race.” (Adolf Hitler). “In resisting all government attempts to nationalize them, the Jews build a state within the state (Count Helmuth von Moltke). “To call this state a ‘religion’ was one of the cleverest tricks ever invented.” (Adolf Hitler). “From this first lie that Jewry is a religion, not a race, further lies inevitably follow.” (Adolf Hitler).”"

"Westerners “don’t want to judge anybody based on their [religion]. [But] Islam is not a religion. Islam is a very dangerous political ideology…. There is no such thing as radical Islam and regular Islam or spiritual Islam….There is only one Islam.” Wafa Sultan, FMU"
Well it really isn't close to being the same. Koranimals are actually committing human atrocities. They are more comparable to the nazis than to the Jews. And the irony in that is, Hitler respected the koranimals.
 

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The American Muslim TAM

Page detailing and comparing old Nazi rhetoric about Jews, and modern rhetoric 'Islamophobia' about Muslims.

An example, lots more at link:

"Judaism was not a religion. “Argument 1: “You say that religion is a private matter. But you fight against the Jewish religion!” Counterargument: “Actually, the Jewish religion is nothing other than a doctrine to preserve the Jewish race.” (Adolf Hitler). “In resisting all government attempts to nationalize them, the Jews build a state within the state (Count Helmuth von Moltke). “To call this state a ‘religion’ was one of the cleverest tricks ever invented.” (Adolf Hitler). “From this first lie that Jewry is a religion, not a race, further lies inevitably follow.” (Adolf Hitler).”"

"Westerners “don’t want to judge anybody based on their [religion]. [But] Islam is not a religion. Islam is a very dangerous political ideology…. There is no such thing as radical Islam and regular Islam or spiritual Islam….There is only one Islam.” Wafa Sultan, FMU"

Can't help but notice that the religion most responsible for the Jewish Holocaust, and most responsible for current Islamophobia are the same.
Which is, what, I wouldn't call Zionism a religion would you?
 

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The American Muslim TAM

Page detailing and comparing old Nazi rhetoric about Jews, and modern rhetoric 'Islamophobia' about Muslims.

An example, lots more at link:

"Judaism was not a religion. “Argument 1: “You say that religion is a private matter. But you fight against the Jewish religion!” Counterargument: “Actually, the Jewish religion is nothing other than a doctrine to preserve the Jewish race.” (Adolf Hitler). “In resisting all government attempts to nationalize them, the Jews build a state within the state (Count Helmuth von Moltke). “To call this state a ‘religion’ was one of the cleverest tricks ever invented.” (Adolf Hitler). “From this first lie that Jewry is a religion, not a race, further lies inevitably follow.” (Adolf Hitler).”"

"Westerners “don’t want to judge anybody based on their [religion]. [But] Islam is not a religion. Islam is a very dangerous political ideology…. There is no such thing as radical Islam and regular Islam or spiritual Islam….There is only one Islam.” Wafa Sultan, FMU"
Wafa Sultan is a Syrian psychologist who was born Muslim and then left Islam. I believe one of the quotes she said was that you "Can't believe in the way of prophet Muhammad as it's passed in the Quran, and stay mentally healthy." At the same breath, she also said "You can believe in the stone, as long as you don't throw it at me."

You can take that quote to many places, I'm not sure it's Islamophobic (or maybe yes in some views) but not antisemitic. She's a woman who became atheist because she doesn't believe in any God, much less the Islamic version of God. I don't think it's hateful specifically towards Islam.

I think you go way over the top by comparing her to Hitler. Seriously? you can't be serious. nowhere she ever said anything about the "Islamic race", so please keep the argument logical.

At the same way, you can bring others who came from the Islamic world and then chose to turn their backs on it, like Noni Darwish. She pointed out some laws in Islamic states that were just insane. I don't think pointing out insane things make you Islamophobe.
 

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Page detailing and comparing old Nazi rhetoric about Jews, and modern rhetoric 'Islamophobia' about Muslims.

An example, lots more at link:

"Judaism was not a religion. “Argument 1: “You say that religion is a private matter. But you fight against the Jewish religion!” Counterargument: “Actually, the Jewish religion is nothing other than a doctrine to preserve the Jewish race.” (Adolf Hitler). “In resisting all government attempts to nationalize them, the Jews build a state within the state (Count Helmuth von Moltke). “To call this state a ‘religion’ was one of the cleverest tricks ever invented.” (Adolf Hitler). “From this first lie that Jewry is a religion, not a race, further lies inevitably follow.” (Adolf Hitler).”"

"Westerners “don’t want to judge anybody based on their [religion]. [But] Islam is not a religion. Islam is a very dangerous political ideology…. There is no such thing as radical Islam and regular Islam or spiritual Islam….There is only one Islam.” Wafa Sultan, FMU"

Can't help but notice that the religion most responsible for the Jewish Holocaust, and most responsible for current Islamophobia are the same.
Which is, what, I wouldn't call Zionism a religion would you?
You shouldn't discuss things you don't have any idea about. Zionism is an ideological movement with both secular and religious Idea. It is not a religion.
 

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The American Muslim TAM

Page detailing and comparing old Nazi rhetoric about Jews, and modern rhetoric 'Islamophobia' about Muslims.

An example, lots more at link:

"Judaism was not a religion. “Argument 1: “You say that religion is a private matter. But you fight against the Jewish religion!” Counterargument: “Actually, the Jewish religion is nothing other than a doctrine to preserve the Jewish race.” (Adolf Hitler). “In resisting all government attempts to nationalize them, the Jews build a state within the state (Count Helmuth von Moltke). “To call this state a ‘religion’ was one of the cleverest tricks ever invented.” (Adolf Hitler). “From this first lie that Jewry is a religion, not a race, further lies inevitably follow.” (Adolf Hitler).”"

"Westerners “don’t want to judge anybody based on their [religion]. [But] Islam is not a religion. Islam is a very dangerous political ideology…. There is no such thing as radical Islam and regular Islam or spiritual Islam….There is only one Islam.” Wafa Sultan, FMU"

Can't help but notice that the religion most responsible for the Jewish Holocaust, and most responsible for current Islamophobia are the same.
Which is, what, I wouldn't call Zionism a religion would you?
You shouldn't discuss things you don't have any idea about. Zionism is an ideological movement with both secular and religious Idea. It is not a religion.
I am fully aware of what it is, but it has the power of a religion, its like a religion, its worship of Israel isn't it, the land of Canaan? Its a cultist movement is it not? Yes it is, an ideology tuned into a religion. There is a find line between a ideology and a religion.
 

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re·li·gion
rəˈlijən/
noun
noun: religion
  1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
    "ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
    synonyms: faith, belief, worship, creed;More
    sect, church, cult, denomination
    "the freedom to practice their own religion"
    • a particular system of faith and worship.
      plural noun: religions
      "the world's great religions"
    • a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
      "consumerism is the new religion
    Turning the Land of Palestine into Israel and a Jewish State.
 

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. And the irony in that is, Hitler respected the koranimals.
No, he didn't. You have no idea what you are talking about.
It is a pity how low the historical knoqledge can get in people by lacking any common sense, and just believing some pictures on the internet.
Hitler, my dear, promoted the nordic, heroic race. He did definetely not respect camel herders.
In contrary. Partly useful cannonfodder.
He was somehow impressed by the koranic ideology, capable of transforming men into submissive killing machines. That is all. It was the methodology, not the religion or the people.
This idiots in the near and middle east who are today worshipping Hitler for killing the jews are just stupid animals. They really have no idea what would have happened to them if Hitler would have been successful..
 

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. And the irony in that is, Hitler respected the koranimals.
No, he didn't. You have no idea what you are talking about.
It is a pity how low the historical knoqledge can get in people by lacking any common sense, and just believing some pictures on the internet.
Hitler, my dear, promoted the nordic, heroic race. He did definetely not respect camel herders.
In contrary. Partly useful cannonfodder.
He was somehow impressed by the koranic ideology, capable of transforming men into submissive killing machines. That is all. It was the methodology, not the religion or the people.
This idiots in the near and middle east who are today worshipping Hitler for killing the jews are just stupid animals. They really have no idea what would have happened to them if Hitler would have been successful..
What did I say? He respected them. And you say oh no you need to learn history, than say the same thing.
 

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Fail thread. OP breaks Godwin's Law in first post.
 

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Based on HISTORY----back to circa 1930 ---it is logical to conclude that had Hitler won his objective of conquest of the
3rd Reich-----the middle east would have been turned over to
a MUSLIM REICH (aka caliphate) Reich and Caliphate ---
as THE WORLD POWERS is an entirely compatible concept
 

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What did I say? He respected them. And you say oh no you need to learn history, than say the same thing.
It seems you have some different interpretation of the term "respect".
Because, it was nothing less than contempt.
And no, I did't say the same thing. This is embarassing.
 

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Based on HISTORY----back to circa 1930 ---it is logical to conclude that had Hitler won his objective of conquest of the
3rd Reich-----the middle east would have been turned over to
a MUSLIM REICH (aka caliphate) Reich and Caliphate ---
as THE WORLD POWERS is an entirely compatible concept
No.
You know why?
Because dictators never allow competition.
 

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Based on HISTORY----back to circa 1930 ---it is logical to conclude that had Hitler won his objective of conquest of the
3rd Reich-----the middle east would have been turned over to
a MUSLIM REICH (aka caliphate) Reich and Caliphate ---
as THE WORLD POWERS is an entirely compatible concept
No.
You know why?
Because dictators never allow competition.
you are claiming that ADOLF wanted to control THE WHOLE WORLD? nope----he wanted to share it with ALLIES---
same minded people-----which were ---at that time
AL HUSSEINI---the grand mufti of Palestine -----and the
Iranians------and ----Mussolini of Italy. ---he was even looking
for allies in England-------Your idea that adolf saw himself as
EMPEROR OF THE WORLD----is actually silly.------Nazism for all was his goal---------not ADOLF FOR ALL
 
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The American Muslim TAM

Page detailing and comparing old Nazi rhetoric about Jews, and modern rhetoric 'Islamophobia' about Muslims.

An example, lots more at link:

"Judaism was not a religion. “Argument 1: “You say that religion is a private matter. But you fight against the Jewish religion!” Counterargument: “Actually, the Jewish religion is nothing other than a doctrine to preserve the Jewish race.” (Adolf Hitler). “In resisting all government attempts to nationalize them, the Jews build a state within the state (Count Helmuth von Moltke). “To call this state a ‘religion’ was one of the cleverest tricks ever invented.” (Adolf Hitler). “From this first lie that Jewry is a religion, not a race, further lies inevitably follow.” (Adolf Hitler).”"

"Westerners “don’t want to judge anybody based on their [religion]. [But] Islam is not a religion. Islam is a very dangerous political ideology…. There is no such thing as radical Islam and regular Islam or spiritual Islam….There is only one Islam.” Wafa Sultan, FMU"

Can't help but notice that the religion most responsible for the Jewish Holocaust, and most responsible for current Islamophobia are the same.
Which is, what, I wouldn't call Zionism a religion would you?
You shouldn't discuss things you don't have any idea about. Zionism is an ideological movement with both secular and religious Idea. It is not a religion.
I am fully aware of what it is, but it has the power of a religion, its like a religion, its worship of Israel isn't it, the land of Canaan? Its a cultist movement is it not? Yes it is, an ideology tuned into a religion. There is a find line between a ideology and a religion.
Many varieites of zionism, some religiously-inspired, other politically, etc.
 

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The American Muslim TAM

Page detailing and comparing old Nazi rhetoric about Jews, and modern rhetoric 'Islamophobia' about Muslims.

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"Judaism was not a religion. “Argument 1: “You say that religion is a private matter. But you fight against the Jewish religion!” Counterargument: “Actually, the Jewish religion is nothing other than a doctrine to preserve the Jewish race.” (Adolf Hitler). “In resisting all government attempts to nationalize them, the Jews build a state within the state (Count Helmuth von Moltke). “To call this state a ‘religion’ was one of the cleverest tricks ever invented.” (Adolf Hitler). “From this first lie that Jewry is a religion, not a race, further lies inevitably follow.” (Adolf Hitler).”"

"Westerners “don’t want to judge anybody based on their [religion]. [But] Islam is not a religion. Islam is a very dangerous political ideology…. There is no such thing as radical Islam and regular Islam or spiritual Islam….There is only one Islam.” Wafa Sultan, FMU"

Can't help but notice that the religion most responsible for the Jewish Holocaust, and most responsible for current Islamophobia are the same.
Which is, what, I wouldn't call Zionism a religion would you?
You shouldn't discuss things you don't have any idea about. Zionism is an ideological movement with both secular and religious Idea. It is not a religion.
I am fully aware of what it is, but it has the power of a religion, its like a religion, its worship of Israel isn't it, the land of Canaan? Its a cultist movement is it not? Yes it is, an ideology tuned into a religion. There is a find line between a ideology and a religion.
Many varieites of zionism, some religiously-inspired, other politically, etc.
you do not know whom you address, Delta------in order to understand Penelope you have to know islamo Nazi propaganda. I read it as a child circa 1960-----and since
that time. It never changes. The crap is sorta "updated"---to seem timely
but the basics have remained the same for more than 100
years. -----DA JOOOS WORSHIP ISRAEL is part and parcel of islamo Nazi propaganda. In the lingo of islamo Nazi propaganda "Zionism" is a dirty word------I have encountered people from shariah shit holes who wince when they say either "Israel" or "Zionism"----even the children
 

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re·li·gion
rəˈlijən/
noun
noun: religion
  1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
    "ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
    synonyms: faith, belief, worship, creed;More
    sect, church, cult, denomination
    "the freedom to practice their own religion"
    • a particular system of faith and worship.
      plural noun: religions
      "the world's great religions"
    • a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
      "consumerism is the new religion
    Turning the Land of Palestine into Israel and a Jewish State.
But land is not a superhuman controlling power. And worshipping the land is not religion.
 

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