A modest proposal to help negate the damage of Biden’s expanded child support

[Harpy Eagle]

This program is the stepping stone to what Harris, Cortez, Sanders and many on the DSA left want and that is a government check of $2500 a month given to every U.S. Citizen while they take control of the Energy and Natural Resources of this country.

They will also implement a pay scale and limit what you can earn and will most likely take all private business and make it government ran.

So this has always been a stepping stone to that reality and once hooked the American population will want it and will give up their freedoms for that check…

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Covid 19 begans in late oct of 2019, during tramps turn.

Yeah you were impeaching him over a hoax and didn't give a shit, Tom Cotton was sounding alarms

But you were going through your TDS post menopausal freak off ninny

 

[Devils_Advocate]

It didn't come to America until 2020. I didn't know Trump was accountable for diseases that start in other countries.

Trump is the reason she is unhappy, sleepless nights and worrying if anyone will love her again, well she believe it like so many other people which make me wonder is Trump true name Lucifer Morningstar and is he the Devil that was sung about in Bye Bye American Pie?

Anyhoo, as Penelope write about how Trump haunt her mindless mind the fact is we should be discussing about how American Society need to get off the Government welfare check and get back to work and what ideas would work better to improve the American Citizen life, and now Penelope will edukate us on how America was lost when Trump was President and how he was the plague that we call Covid…

 

[Lisa558]

That 1600 per month is helping to keep.America from going back to work. The milking of this has to end now

On 3/1 We have to declare Covid over for the non vulnerable

People have used Covid as a crutch politically. Harmed so many people including loved ones

My God when we look back at this, it will show one big libturd conspiracy for control and power. Throwing loved ones in a volcano is for the greater good

I know….it’s awful what the Libs are doing. They want to keep people out of work by handing out money as if it were water, and drive businesses into bankruptcy by bribing their would-be workers to refuse jobs,

Where this is felt is mostly in the service industries, where workers are often students going to college, or spouses working to supplement the family income. Think fast-food places, restaurants, retail businesses, etc. Walk into a Best Buy and try to get someone to help you. Or go into the McDonalds and see how you have to yell into the kitchen to get someone to come to the cash register. And this is all over the place!

These were jobs previously filled by spouses for a 2nd income. Now they don’t have to work at all because OTHER PEOPLE are helping cover their expenses.

 

[Lisa558]

Now you are thinking and with a working workforce taxes will be generated that will help improve infrastructure and so on, well if we had true Leander’s and not the mental midgets we have now…

Why are you saying NOW I am thinking? I was never for massive handouts that discourage people from getting jobs or funding college for mediocre students who will either drop out or major in something “fun” (at our expense).

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Why are you saying NOW I am thinking? I was never for massive handouts that discourage people from getting jobs or funding college for mediocre students who will either drop out or major in something “fun” (at our expense).

It is a saying and do not get insulted and my apologies if I did insult you…

 

[Lisa558]

It is a saying and do not get insulted and my apologies if I did insult you…

Ah, got it. I thought you might have had me confused with a liberal, perish the thought!

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Ah, got it. I thought you might have had me confused with a liberal, perish the thought!

Nothing wrong with being Liberal minded but being a Progressive DSA member, well each there own but I wish the DSA members would move to Cuba, North Korea or even Africa and create their Utopia there and stop tarnishing this once Great Country…

Again, not claiming you are one at all but saying I wish the DSA would take a damn hike with their so-called Socialism which has failed more times than not!

 

[Anomalism]

Nobody is having kids just to get an extra thousand dollar refund.
The kids are already here, they still gotta eat

$75,000 is not a lot of money in many states

The kids will eat. Have you noticed how fat everybody is these days?

 

[Moonglow]

First, can we all agree that parents earning six figures should not get government support (i.e., money from other people, earning far less) to pay for their children? As it stands, someone I know has a husband earning $150,000 and six children, lives in a $1.5 million house, and she is getting $1600 a month to cover expenses for her kids.

Second, since the Dems keep saying how Biden’s expanded welfare has lifted xxx number of children out of poverty, why not limit the welfare to just those families?

Third, the payments should really be per family, not per child, since it encourages people who otherwise couldn’t afford a third or fourth child to go ahead.

My proposal, which is a COMPROMISE:

1) Go back to the limited “refund” where people got no more than $1400 MORE than they owed in tax back, rather than the entire amount. We have people getting $15,000 and $20,000 “refunded” - including welfare recipients already in subsidized housing, getting free health care, and food stamps.

2) Stop calling it a refundable tax credit (against federal income tax owed), since half the people getting it pay no taxes at all. We should call it GSFLF - Government Support for Low-Income Families.

3) It should be limited to those with household incomes of $50,000, regardless of number of children. Others are not low-income and can pay their fair share.

 

[gtopa1]

First, can we all agree that parents earning six figures should not get government support (i.e., money from other people, earning far less) to pay for their children? As it stands, someone I know has a husband earning $150,000 and six children, lives in a $1.5 million house, and she is getting $1600 a month to cover expenses for her kids.

Second, since the Dems keep saying how Biden’s expanded welfare has lifted xxx number of children out of poverty, why not limit the welfare to just those families?

Third, the payments should really be per family, not per child, since it encourages people who otherwise couldn’t afford a third or fourth child to go ahead.

My proposal, which is a COMPROMISE:

1) Go back to the limited “refund” where people got no more than $1400 MORE than they owed in tax back, rather than the entire amount. We have people getting $15,000 and $20,000 “refunded” - including welfare recipients already in subsidized housing, getting free health care, and food stamps.

2) Stop calling it a refundable tax credit (against federal income tax owed), since half the people getting it pay no taxes at all. We should call it GSFLF - Government Support for Low-Income Families.

3) It should be limited to those with household incomes of $50,000, regardless of number of children. Others are not low-income and can pay their fair share.

So let's look at the numbers:

$150k Salary Tax Calculation - Salary Deductions in 2022 What? Amount Minus Total Gross Annual Salary $150,000.00 Total Federal Income Tax Due $26,727.50 Total Vermont Income Tax Due $8,819.45 Social Security Tax Due $9,114.00 Medicare Due $2,175.00 Salary After Tax and Deductions $103,164.05

© iCalculator: Read more at: Federal Tax: $150k Salary Example | US Tax Calculator 2022

So instead of a guy paying $47000 pa in taxes, he will pay about $30000. That's about 20%. (A tad less). So he supports a wife and six kids and pays $30000 tax........what you worrying about???? EDIT: whoops; I'm not in the badlands Toto.

Greg

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Ask Penelope seeing she is the missing one!

 

[Lisa558]

What is it with you progressives demanding a link? how would there be a link to something I am proposing as a compromise solution?

It just shows me that you progressives don’t have an original thought. You always want a link to what someone else said to think.

 

[Lisa558]

So let's look at the numbers:

$150k Salary Tax Calculation - Salary Deductions in 2022 What? Amount Minus Total Gross Annual Salary $150,000.00 Total Federal Income Tax Due $26,727.50 Total Vermont Income Tax Due $8,819.45 Social Security Tax Due $9,114.00 Medicare Due $2,175.00 Salary After Tax and Deductions $103,164.05

© iCalculator: Read more at: Federal Tax: $150k Salary Example | US Tax Calculator 2022

So instead of a guy paying $47000 pa in taxes, he will pay about $30000. That's about 20%. (A tad less). So he supports a wife and six kids and pays $30000 tax........what you worrying about???? EDIT: whoops; I'm not in the badlands Toto.

Greg

First, I have no idea by what you mean by the badlands, unless you mean South Dakota (I’ve actually visited the Badlands there), and I don’t live there.

Second, the numbers you came up with to justify, I assume, why someone earning an upper-middle class salary of $150,000 doesn’t gain THAT much by the refundable chid tax credit is meaningless. He gains SOME. And he shouldn’t gain ANY. He’s making more than the vast majority of earners in this country, and it’s ridiculous that ANY money from a $40,000 earner should go to help him support his kid is insane.

 

[rightwinger]

The kids will eat. Have you noticed how fat everybody is these days?

Cheap, sugary food makes you fat
Healthy food and vegetables cost money

 

[Lisa558]

Nobody is having kids just to get an extra thousand dollar refund.
The kids are already here, they still gotta eat

$75,000 is not a lot of money in many states

And neither is $40,000 that childless adults and retirees are getting by on. Yet you’re fine with THEIR taxes going to help a couple earning twice as much, because they decided to have a kid.

Figure this: a couple earning $75000 gross more than $6000 a month, or $4500 net. They can rent a modest two-bedroom apartment for around $1400, leaving them more than $3000 for everything else. They can make it work without feeling entitled to other people’s money.

 

[Lisa558]

Cheap, sugary food makes you fat
Healthy food and vegetables cost money

And a couple with a HHI of $75,000 can afford to buy healthy food. They don’t need Granny, getting by on a modest fixed income, to help pay their groceries.

 

[gtopa1]

First, I have no idea by what you mean by the badlands, unless you mean South Dakota (I’ve actually visited the Badlands there), and I don’t live there.

Second, the numbers you came up with to justify, I assume, why someone earning an upper-middle class salary of $150,000 doesn’t gain THAT much by the refundable chid tax credit is meaningless. He gains SOME. And he shouldn’t gain ANY. He’s making more than the vast majority of earners in this country, and it’s ridiculous that ANY money from a $40,000 earner should go to help him support his kid is insane.

lol. Sorry Lisa I was a bit rude before the edit. Badlands is in the Flame Zone where I normally lurk. But a chap with six kids should be allowed to keep money HE HAS EARNED for his OWN family. It's HIS MONEY. If someone is on $40000 then I advise them to upskill and get a better job. And if it means working extra shifts/second job and studying hard in your own time and exhausting yourself doing it BUT ACHIEVING IT IN THE END...then welcome to the story of a lot of folk earning $150000 pa. Remember; he is still paying 75% of the $40000 pa person wages!!

Greg

 

[Moonglow]

What is it with you progressives demanding a link? how would there be a link to something I am proposing as a compromise solution?

It just shows me that you progressives don’t have an original thought. You always want a link to what someone else said to think.

Why? the rules for Politics demands links also to note you are blabbering opinions and not any facts that you can confirm via a stat or a link.

 

[gtopa1]

And neither is $40,000 that childless adults and retirees are getting by on. Yet you’re fine with THEIR taxes going to help a couple earning twice as much, because they decided to have a kid.

Figure this: a couple earning $75000 gross more than $6000 a month, or $4500 net. They can rent a modest two-bedroom apartment for around $1400, leaving them more than $3000 for everything else. They can make it work without feeling entitled to other people’s money.

Hi Lisa.

If the $75000 earner has six kids then he will I assume get the same child payment as the guy on $150000. The 75000 earned gets hit about $20000 pa.
$75k Salary Tax Calculation - Salary Deductions in 2022 What? Amount Minus Total Gross Annual Salary $75,000.00 Total Federal Income Tax Due $9,268.00 Total Georgia Income Tax Due $4,010.00 Social Security Tax Due $4,650.00 Medicare Due $1,087.50 Salary After Tax and Deductions $55,984.50

© iCalculator: Read more at: Federal Tax: $75k Salary Example | US Tax Calculator 2022

Thus they are able to basically keep THEIR OWN MONEY to look after their family. No one else is paying for their kids.

Greg