A message from a Mexican to The USA

[Unkotare]

That makes you a convicted criminal.

No, you're wrong, again. You aren't a criminal until you're proven to be a criminal. Innocent until proven guilty is the phrase, due process is the tool. Then and only then are you a criminal convicted of a crime. Until then it's alleged.

The person I was originally responding to had posited it as a given that a crime had in fact been committed. If you are going to butt in you should at least pay attention.

 

[Gdjjr]

If you are going to butt in you should at least pay attention.

You're the one who butted in-

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

It's estimated that everyone breaks at last 3 laws a day. When are you going to turn yourself in?

I have to say that's the weakest rationalization I've ever heard.

Law writers make criminals of ordinary people. Like you. Now, if you can, with a straight face, say you've never done anything illegal I'm going to ask you how you know that. There are so many federal laws on the books they can't be counted.Throw in local laws and everyone is a criminal- including the holier than thou.
The Right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness has no caveats. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

No. This is the weakest!
When I break the law and a cop pulls me over and writes me a ticket I take responsibility for what I've done.
I don't snivel and say what about him, and what about him.

Where I used to live there was no mystery about where all the illegals lived. It was absolutely obvious.
But the city fathers didn't want them rounded up and deported because then the big money winery owners would bitch about their workers being deported.

So the police were told hands off unless there was some crime that couldn't be ignored
(usually drunk driving, hit and run, spousal abuse, etc.). That's how the corrupt system operated, and undoubtedly still does.
I can't believe you wasted your time posting that nonsense drivel.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Criminals do illegal things. That's what makes them criminals.

YOU do illegal things. That don't [sic] make you a criminal...

That’s kind of what it means.

You need some new material.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Criminals do illegal things. That's what makes them criminals.

YOU do illegal things. That don't [sic] make you a criminal...

That’s kind of what it means.

You need some new material.

Just declare directly and for the record that your intention here is just to be a troll. Go on.

Your intention is to be a troll. You need some new material.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Criminals do illegal things. That's what makes them criminals.

YOU do illegal things. That don't [sic] make you a criminal...

That’s kind of what it means.

You need some new material.

Just declare directly and for the record that your intention here is just to be a troll. Go on.

Your intention is to be a troll. You need some new material.

Sez the retard who tried to derail the entire subject ...page after page after page

Just saying


Keep going though

 

[Porter Rockwell]

It's estimated that everyone breaks at last 3 laws a day. When are you going to turn yourself in?

I have to say that's the weakest rationalization I've ever heard.

Law writers make criminals of ordinary people. Like you. Now, if you can, with a straight face, say you've never done anything illegal I'm going to ask you how you know that. There are so many federal laws on the books they can't be counted.Throw in local laws and everyone is a criminal- including the holier than thou.
The Right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness has no caveats. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

No. This is the weakest!
When I break the law and a cop pulls me over and writes me a ticket I take responsibility for what I've done.
I don't snivel and say what about him, and what about him.

Where I used to live there was no mystery about where all the illegals lived. It was absolutely obvious.
But the city fathers didn't want them rounded up and deported because then the big money winery owners would bitch about their workers being deported.

So the police were told hands off unless there was some crime that couldn't be ignored
(usually drunk driving, hit and run, spousal abuse, etc.). That's how the corrupt system operated, and undoubtedly still does.
I can't believe you wasted your time posting that nonsense drivel.

OMG. This has been explained to you. State and local governments do not get involved in immigration matters due to federal case law. It is called the anti-commandeering doctrine. The federal government cannot compel state and local governments from enforcing federal laws. Secondly, some states (rightfully so) know that the federal government has no constitutional authority to go after foreigners since it is a state's rights issue. The feds have the POWER to declare otherwise, but the Constitution is clear and the feds do not have the AUTHORITY to even be involved in this. You're worried about a federal civil misdemeanor (with a maximum fine of $250 being levied) not being enforced while over 80 percent of the world's opioid supply is being used in the United States and MILLIONS of our nation's finest are drug addicts that commit high dollar crimes to feed their habit.

BTW, that is just ONE of our nation's many examples. If Americans weren't on drugs, in prison, or dependent on the government they would apply for the jobs and then there would be no need for the foreigners to come here in the first place.

Please educate yourself on this before slinging skeet:

Sanctuary Cities Are Safe, Thanks to Conservatives

Supreme Court precedent makes it unconstitutional to take away federal funding.

www.bloomberg.com

The author of the article is a professor of law at Harvard. If conservatives shoot themselves in the foot, they have no one to blame except themselves.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Criminals do illegal things. That's what makes them criminals.

YOU do illegal things. That don't [sic] make you a criminal...

That’s kind of what it means.

You need some new material.

Just declare directly and for the record that your intention here is just to be a troll. Go on.

Your intention is to be a troll. You need some new material.

Sez the retard who tried to derail the entire subject ...page after page after page

Just saying


Keep going though

If you can't read, go back to Twitter. If you can't read, you're the retard. When you need fairies to back you up, that is sad. My posts are relevant to the subject at hand. Face it. You can't handle the truth. If you find ten paragraph replies daunting, you probably can't even read.

 

[flacaltenn]

Mexican illegals walk over me like they own the place. They have no clue, as do most of you.

Nobody except godverment employees walks all over anyone- being disingenuous doesn't lend credibility-
I'm here in Texas lived here all my life (except when I was stationed in Long Beach in the Navy) and the only problem I ever had with Mexicans was when some, spoiled, smart ass white boy went to the Mexican part of town and started trouble and came running back to where we were- he went there first.
My best friend in the Navy was a Mexican from Rockdale, Tx -

Well good for you. But the rest of us have had problems with illegal aliens, I kinda doubt that's an isolated occurrence. I live in Colorado, way far from the southern border and its a ginormous problem. People lose jobs and homes, the huge negative impact on our judicial system. Colorado is not a border state, it's hundred of miles from the any border. We didn't ask for this, we didn't allow it to happen, it was forced on us.

Do you mean that people from south of the border actually force stores to sell to them, landlords to rent to them and employers are... what... held at gunpoint and forced to give the little brown people a job? OR is it more likely that your neighbors are willingly engaging in the free enterprise system?

Only one major problem.. It's been law for DECADES that they CAN NOT BE HIRED.... Funny thing that -- because there is a "system" to make sure employers "check" status -- but the LAW mean nothing..

Could stop illegal immigration OVERNIGHT if the "law" was actually followed and NO WALL... But we're beyond that now with the prog left INSISTING that crossing the border without checking in NOT be a crime... And that the BENEFITS of citizenship and welfare and health start as soon as your big toe crosses the goal line..

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Mexican illegals walk over me like they own the place. They have no clue, as do most of you.

Nobody except godverment employees walks all over anyone- being disingenuous doesn't lend credibility-
I'm here in Texas lived here all my life (except when I was stationed in Long Beach in the Navy) and the only problem I ever had with Mexicans was when some, spoiled, smart ass white boy went to the Mexican part of town and started trouble and came running back to where we were- he went there first.
My best friend in the Navy was a Mexican from Rockdale, Tx -

Well good for you. But the rest of us have had problems with illegal aliens, I kinda doubt that's an isolated occurrence. I live in Colorado, way far from the southern border and its a ginormous problem. People lose jobs and homes, the huge negative impact on our judicial system. Colorado is not a border state, it's hundred of miles from the any border. We didn't ask for this, we didn't allow it to happen, it was forced on us.

Do you mean that people from south of the border actually force stores to sell to them, landlords to rent to them and employers are... what... held at gunpoint and forced to give the little brown people a job? OR is it more likely that your neighbors are willingly engaging in the free enterprise system?

Only one major problem.. It's been law for DECADES that they CAN NOT BE HIRED.... Funny thing that -- because there is a "system" to make sure employers "check" status -- but the LAW mean nothing..

Could stop illegal immigration OVERNIGHT if the "law" was actually followed and NO WALL... But we're beyond that now with the prog left INSISTING that crossing the border without checking in NOT be a crime... And that the BENEFITS of citizenship and welfare and health start as soon as your big toe crosses the goal line..

Legal. Illegal. They are meaningless words on this issue if you support the Constitution. Plain and simple - the federal government has NO jurisdiction over foreigners save of citizenship. If you can show it to me in the Constitution, I'll be willing to concede that you are right. HOWEVER, it wasn't until 1875 when every founder and framer was dead and buried that the United States Supreme Court gave "plenary powers" to Congress over foreigners. And, again, there is NO provision in the United States Constitution that gives the United States Supreme Court the authority to grant to any other branch of the government ANY powers whatsoever.

You cannot stop the flow of foreigners into the United States with a wall. It can't be done. What you can accomplish with such an effort is to negate much of the Bill of Rights in the vain effort of trying. So, it really depends upon the value you place on your Liberty as to whether you continue to pursue this policy or not. Between the so - called "Patriot Act," the creation of the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security, the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify, the end of the presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty, the Constitution Free Zone, and warrant less searches, you would think people would reassess this policy of pursuing this madness of chasing after nonexistent "illegal aliens."

You created the problem by supporting too many laws that infringe on the Rights of the private sector and the private sector would have balanced out the issue of foreigners being here all through the free market. You cannot pass enough laws to save you from your own ignorance.

 

[Gdjjr]

I have to say that's the weakest rationalization I've ever heard.

You're the one trying to rationalize. I pointed out facts. You're using belief.

rationale:

noun: rationale; plural noun: rationales

1. a set of reasons or a logical basis for a course of action or a particular belief.

No. This is the weakest!
When I break the law and a cop pulls me over and writes me a ticket I take responsibility for what I've done.
I don't snivel and say what about him, and what about him.

Where I used to live there was no mystery about where all the illegals lived. It was absolutely obvious.
But the city fathers didn't want them rounded up and deported because then the big money winery owners would bitch about their workers being deported.

So the police were told hands off unless there was some crime that couldn't be ignored
(usually drunk driving, hit and run, spousal abuse, etc.). That's how the corrupt system operated, and undoubtedly still does.
I can't believe you wasted your time posting that nonsense drivel.

When you break a law and a cop pulls you over- who wrote that law? Who gave that cop the authority to be judge, jury and executioner if you don't comply? How many of those laws are for real crime? The only real crime is harming another or taking what doesn't belong to you.

Where I STILL live (in Texas, in a Houston suburb) most people, no matter their place of origin, are hard working people. We can play anecdotes all day long. It will change nothing. Most of the arrests are of "legal" citizens and most of the police shootings are against citizens. ALL SWAT shit and No Knock raids are against citizens. The guys swinging weed eaters from can to can't don't have the time or the energy to harm others or steal shit. But, by god! cops can find the energy and time to be law enFORCERS of immoral acts against humans bound by "laws", immoral in nature, and claim "I feared for my life" for Qualified Immunity-

So, the police were hands off unless a real crime was committed. Good. Explain a real crime to the next cop that pulls you over for what might happen and ask him where he got his mind reading certificate from.

 

[Gdjjr]

WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF EVIDENT- unless improperly educated in the (unconstitutional) Public Education System.
ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL- until we, the improperly educated, say that isn't true.
The RIGHT to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness is to be determined by those improperly educated.
And the sheeple all said, AMEN!

 

[Gdjjr]

Only one major problem.. It's been law for DECADES that they CAN NOT BE HIRED.... Funny thing that -- because there is a "system" to make sure employers "check" status -- but the LAW mean nothing..

Could stop illegal immigration OVERNIGHT if the "law" was actually followed and NO WALL... But we're beyond that now with the prog left INSISTING that crossing the border without checking in NOT be a crime... And that the BENEFITS of citizenship and welfare and health start as soon as your big toe crosses the goal line..

The law writers break the law all the time- there is no such thing as "illegal immigration"- there is immoral action by law writers, supported by acolytes of godvernment, deeming "law" as omnipotent. It ain't.

Law is supposed to punish for criminal action. Criminal action is harming another or taking what isn't your's.
Can you say Fines? Can you say IRS? Can you say "Prohibition"? Can you say coercion enFORCED by law with a Comply or Die attitude?

Crossing arbitrary borders is not a criminal action anymore than breathing- of course right now that is a crime if you don't dress like a thief and wear a mask.

What most *regressives* fail to comprehend is; rules will be broken and deter nothing. They are revenue sources. Period. Except when one of the omnipotents does it. Many, law writers and interpreters of law, set the example about ignoring Rules (the constitution). In a monkey see monkey do world guess where that leads?

Liberty and Justice for all means nothing to conservatives, or Democrats or Republicans or so called Liberals- it's merely part of a bumper sticker campaign to placate the improperly educated (look in a mirror for confirmation) - self evident truths means nothing to "Americans"- Rights mean nothing to Americans. Life means nothing to Americans. To Americans (who are a large group of sheeple) Happiness is determined by what society dictates in material acquisition- they are shallow, narrow minded, narcissistic and superficial because they are IMPROPERLY educated by an UNconstitunional mandate in the Public Education centers for compliance- but hey, as long as their guy is in charge, who cares? Right? The way their guy is unconstitutional is okay- it's the other guy who is bad. SMH-

You people are absolutely pathetic.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

So this nation, and I assume any other, has no right to restrict who enters their nation and more importantly,
lives there?

That's asinine.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

So this nation, and I assume any other, has no right to restrict who enters their nation and more importantly,
lives there?

That's asinine.

After you've been schooled on this, I hope you take the time to change your board name. Blair was against the concept of a government god.

The federal government has no jurisdiction in saying who comes and goes within any state
Who lives and works in any given state is, constitutionally, the state's prerogative

People are free to travel inside the United States. The fact that you call yourself Eric Arthur Blair and then demand Big Brother is disturbing. Blair, writing under the pen name of George Orwell was trying to warn us AGAINST the all powerful government you seek. The United States is a country that was built on free enterprise. Let's carry your Big Brother crap out to its predictable end:

If someone from a foreign country is not allowed to exercise unalienable Rights, than neither can you. THAT is how the left flipped the right. You bought into liberal thinking that people should be restricted from moving about unless they were USDA approved American meat with all the trimmings. So, now YOU have to carry a National ID Card based on your Socialist Surveillance Number ... I mean "Social Security Number." With that, YOU can be tracked 24 / 7 / 365. Liberals are inconsistent on this point, but even they are smart enough to figure out what happens when people have to use a National ID just to move about in the normal course of business:



You seem to think that we can somehow magically tell who is an American versus a foreigner without BOTH the foreigner AND the American carrying around a National ID card. And you call people that disagree with you asinine? So, when the tyrants take over and you think we should revolt, how in the Hell can you organize and fight back when every detail of your life is at their command via a few keystrokes simply because you don't understand the concept of an unalienable Right to Liberty? If you're carrying a National ID and the BLM comes to power, they might want to single you out for a re-education camp for indoctrination OR maybe to make their genocidal warfare official. I don't believe you follow through the consequences of your actions.

We can restrict people from coming into the country, but why? Why would you want to do it? Competition is good for business. The cow dung you're selling is pure socialism; which is what Eric Arthur Blair was trying to warn people AGAINST. It's obvious you do not understand that Liberty is an unalienable Right. IF our country were being run according to the United States Constitution MINUS the illegally ratified 14th Amendment, the foreigners would be able to travel about freely, participate in the free market, work, and go about their business. They would NOT be able to put their kids in public schools, vote, collect unemployment checks / welfare / "entitlements" (even for citizens I hate that word.) They could only get medical care in an emergency, if they risked life or limb without such care, and care for pregnant women. BTW, they DO pay for their medical care, and at a higher rate than an insured pays (so they are able to offset your medical costs.) But, trying appeal to those whose shoe size is greater than their IQ on that one is a hard sell here.

WITHOUT the illegally ratified 14th Amendment, there would be no automatic birthright citizenship so that would be off the table. Had you not persisted with that Socialist Surveillance Number (Social Security Number) ID, we had that war won in the 1990s. Without the SSN and the income tax, you'd get a hefty raise in your paycheck. But you anti-immigrant types liked that plank out of the Communist Manifesto being used to bilk you out of your hard earned money - it gave you a pretext to bitch about so - called "illegal aliens." So you protected the income tax just to bitch and accuse the foreigners from "stealing" your job. When the government owns and controls production, labor, and the ownership of jobs, you have socialism. It don't work. AND, Eric Arthur Blair would rebuke you for the position you've taken. You are wrong on SO many levels.

 

[Gdjjr]

That's asinine.

Asinine is being intentionally obtuse. Look in a mirror for that definition.


BTW, I saw all your little laughing emoji's- can't you react any better than that?
How about an at least feeble attempt to refute anything I said.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Asinine is being intentionally obtuse. Look in a mirror for that definition.

Why don't you look in the mirror for the definition of a libertarian baboon, if you call yourself a libertarian.
You are certainly a baboon.

BTW, I saw all your little laughing emoji's- can't you react any better than that?
How about an at least feeble attempt to refute anything I said.

No, I've given you all the respect your asinine posts deserve. In fact I've given you too much attention already.

If you don't believe a sovereign nation has the right to to control it's own borders then you don't believe
in sovereignty. And if you don't believe in sovereignty then you are some sort of open borders magic fairy
that believes libertarian bullshit. That makes you essentially an anarchist though you are too cowardly to
admit it. Your ideal surroundings are probably the lawless mountain frontiers of Afghanistan where the only
law is what your local tribal chief demands.

You're a cheap fucker who rationalizes being a miser and a miserable shit.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Asinine is being intentionally obtuse. Look in a mirror for that definition.

Why don't you look in the mirror for the definition of a libertarian baboon, if you call yourself a libertarian.
You are certainly a baboon.

BTW, I saw all your little laughing emoji's- can't you react any better than that?
How about an at least feeble attempt to refute anything I said.

No, I've given you all the respect your asinine posts deserve. In fact I've given you too much attention already.

If you don't believe a sovereign nation has the right to to control it's own borders then you don't believe
in sovereignty. And if you don't believe in sovereignty then you are some sort of open borders magic fairy
that believes libertarian bullshit. That makes you essentially an anarchist though you are too cowardly to
admit it. Your ideal surroundings are probably the lawless mountain frontiers of Afghanistan where the only
law is what your local tribal chief demands.

You're a cheap fucker who rationalizes being a miser and a miserable shit.

You sound like an angry little, insignificant loser that can't see the forest for the trees. Sovereignty is NOT the exercise of tyranny you total dumbass. A little studying into American history will reveal that to you.

 

[Gdjjr]

Why don't you look in the mirror for the definition of a libertarian baboon, if you call yourself a libertarian.
You are certainly a baboon.

Is that the best you can do?

 

[Gdjjr]

If you don't believe a sovereign nation has the right to to control it's own borders then you don't believe
in sovereignty. And if you don't believe in sovereignty then you are some sort of open borders magic fairy
that believes libertarian bullshit. That makes you essentially an anarchist though you are too cowardly to
admit it. Your ideal surroundings are probably the lawless mountain frontiers of Afghanistan where the only
law is what your local tribal chief demands.

You're a cheap fucker who rationalizes being a miser and a miserable shit.

I recognize sovereign and have, in fact, pointed out many times the US gov't doesn't recognize sovereign until it fits an agenda it's promoting/enFORCING.
Sovereign is; control of a limited sphere.
Libertarian is about Liberty. That you believe it bullshit speaks to your desire to control outside your sovereign sphere. That, I suspect, comes from improper education, combined with a narcissistic, shallow and narrow minded point of view-

I believe, as I have said, laws are meant to punish for criminal activity, which requires harming another or taking what doesn't belong to you- I KNOW laws are meant to generate revenue and I KNOW rules are made to be broken since the Empty Suit brigades around the Country prove it daily. I KNOW that making ordinary people criminals, through law, is job justification for morons who can't hack it in the arena of wealth production and have to rely on wealth confiscation to make them feel good about their shallow and narrow minded, distorted view on life.

I'm not cheap either. I'm utilitarian. I'm also quite happy as I've bought 5 new guitars since April, (3 Fender acoustics, one of which is electric acoustic, an Alvarez AD60 and an Ibanez ALT 30 electric acoustic) and I've learned probably 15 songs I didn't previously know. Plus, Sprint Car Racing has been streamed nearly every evening for the past several weeks (on Dirtvision and Flo racing) and I can sit outside on my patio drinking good coffee and watch to my hearts content. And, best of all, I don't have to call people stupid names because I can't make my point. That makes me very happy since I'm not formally educated/indoctrinated, which validates my opinion about Public Education.
I appreciate the forum you've helped provide.