A message from a Mexican to The USA

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If you travel to any nation, you MUST have a passport and in some cases, a visa. The nations aren't "police states." They believe that if someone wants to enter their nation, they should try to be sure that the people traveling to them aren't fleeing arrest warrants, known terrorists, murderers, rapists, robbers, et cetera. It's common sense.
You're no doubt one of the "George Soros" Free Movement of Peoples crowd. Once nations like Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia, saw what carnage and deaths that was occurring by the EU allowing the George Soros concept to play out, they closed their borders and refused to let in any migrants, despite the EU's objections. Result...no similar problem. No terrorist activities. Now, Italy is getting tough on it and has tossed out thousands of migrants and has loosened its gun restrictions so that the Italians can protect themselves.
FYI, this isn't other Nations. THIS Country's founding philosophy, the Declaration of Independence, clearly states MY beliefs- the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness- there are NO caveats- vs your apparent beliefs that you and your kind (authoritarians) are omnipotent and can declare that other humans don't have inherent Rights- kinda like George Soros, not to mention the Empty Suit brigade that infects the District of Criminals.
The Declaration of Independence was just that. A Declaration of Independence from England's Monarchy. Our Constitution set up our federal laws via the Bill of Rights (the Amendments).
As to the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, you do have the right to live, be free to move around the country, even leave the country at will and pursue happiness, providing your pursuit of happiness isn't committing crimes against others.
If you're looking for true police states, look no further than, North Korea, China, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cuba, Islamic nations and any nation run by a military junta.
 
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If you travel to any nation, you MUST have a passport and in some cases, a visa. The nations aren't "police states." They believe that if someone wants to enter their nation, they should try to be sure that the people traveling to them aren't fleeing arrest warrants, known terrorists, murderers, rapists, robbers, et cetera. It's common sense.
You're no doubt one of the "George Soros" Free Movement of Peoples crowd. Once nations like Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia, saw what carnage and deaths that was occurring by the EU allowing the George Soros concept to play out, they closed their borders and refused to let in any migrants, despite the EU's objections. Result...no similar problem. No terrorist activities. Now, Italy is getting tough on it and has tossed out thousands of migrants and has loosened its gun restrictions so that the Italians can protect themselves.
FYI, this isn't other Nations. THIS Country's founding philosophy, the Declaration of Independence, clearly states MY beliefs- the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness- there are NO caveats- vs your apparent beliefs that you and your kind (authoritarians) are omnipotent and can declare that other humans don't have inherent Rights- kinda like George Soros, not to mention the Empty Suit brigade that infects the District of Criminals.
The Declaration of Independence was just that. A Declaration of Independence from England's Monarchy. Our Constitution set up our federal laws via the Bill of Rights (the Amendments).
As to the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, you do have the right to live, be free to move around the country, even leave the country at will and pursue happiness, providing your pursuit of happiness isn't committing crimes against others.
If you're looking for true police states, look no further than, North Korea, China, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cuba, Islamic nations and any nation run by a military junta.

You have your opinion and another man has his opinion. I'd like to ask the man who WROTE the Declaration of Independence what it was. Oh, wait a minute. He's already weighed in on that. Thomas Jefferson wrote:

The Declaration of Independence...[is the] declaratory charter of our rights, and of the rights of man.” — Thomas Jefferson, 1819

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default...ource Center Site/Publications/PDFs/M-654.pdf
 

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As to the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, you do have the right to live, be free to move around the country, even leave the country at will and pursue happiness, providing your pursuit of happiness isn't committing crimes against others.
As a matter of fact, no. How many examples do you want?
 

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Mexican illegals walk over me like they own the place. They have no clue, as do most of you.
Nobody except godverment employees walks all over anyone- being disingenuous doesn't lend credibility-
I'm here in Texas lived here all my life (except when I was stationed in Long Beach in the Navy) and the only problem I ever had with Mexicans was when some, spoiled, smart ass white boy went to the Mexican part of town and started trouble and came running back to where we were- he went there first.
My best friend in the Navy was a Mexican from Rockdale, Tx -
Well good for you. But the rest of us have had problems with illegal aliens, I kinda doubt that's an isolated occurrence. I live in Colorado, way far from the southern border and its a ginormous problem. People lose jobs and homes, the huge negative impact on our judicial system. Colorado is not a border state, it's hundred of miles from the any border. We didn't ask for this, we didn't allow it to happen, it was forced on us.
Somebody forced an employer to get rid of an American and hire a foreigner??? Do tell.
 

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Mexican illegals walk over me like they own the place. They have no clue, as do most of you.
Nobody except godverment employees walks all over anyone- being disingenuous doesn't lend credibility-
I'm here in Texas lived here all my life (except when I was stationed in Long Beach in the Navy) and the only problem I ever had with Mexicans was when some, spoiled, smart ass white boy went to the Mexican part of town and started trouble and came running back to where we were- he went there first.
My best friend in the Navy was a Mexican from Rockdale, Tx -
Well good for you. But the rest of us have had problems with illegal aliens, I kinda doubt that's an isolated occurrence. I live in Colorado, way far from the southern border and its a ginormous problem. People lose jobs and homes, the huge negative impact on our judicial system. Colorado is not a border state, it's hundred of miles from the any border. We didn't ask for this, we didn't allow it to happen, it was forced on us.
Somebody forced an employer to get rid of an American and hire a foreigner??? Do tell.
In a sense they did when America was flooded with low skilled illegals who would take jobs
Americans used to do at about half the cost, all things considered.

So the cost for employers went down, and the cost to everyone else went up to support this illegal and his family. And our laws were ignored and our counties became complicit in breaking the law and our schools
and neighborhoods became degraded.

And a small percentage of idiots seemed to think it was all a great deal.
 

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Mexican illegals walk over me like they own the place. They have no clue, as do most of you.
Nobody except godverment employees walks all over anyone- being disingenuous doesn't lend credibility-
I'm here in Texas lived here all my life (except when I was stationed in Long Beach in the Navy) and the only problem I ever had with Mexicans was when some, spoiled, smart ass white boy went to the Mexican part of town and started trouble and came running back to where we were- he went there first.
My best friend in the Navy was a Mexican from Rockdale, Tx -
Well good for you. But the rest of us have had problems with illegal aliens, I kinda doubt that's an isolated occurrence. I live in Colorado, way far from the southern border and its a ginormous problem. People lose jobs and homes, the huge negative impact on our judicial system. Colorado is not a border state, it's hundred of miles from the any border. We didn't ask for this, we didn't allow it to happen, it was forced on us.
Somebody forced an employer to get rid of an American and hire a foreigner??? Do tell.
In a sense they did when America was flooded with low skilled illegals who would take jobs
Americans used to do at about half the cost, all things considered.

So the cost for employers went down, and the cost to everyone else went up to support this illegal and his family. And our laws were ignored and our counties became complicit in breaking the law and our schools
and neighborhoods became degraded.

And a small percentage of idiots seemed to think it was all a great deal.
Whether it is a great deal or not, a private employer, in our de jure / lawful /legal / constitutional Republic should be able to hire whomever they want. Private property is one the great hallmarks of our constitutional Republic. You have started out with TWO false presuppositions here, so let me fix them for you:

* False presupposition # 1 - NOBODY is an illegal any damn thing until they have been arrested, booked, made bail, and gone through a process. Take that from an AMERICAN who was denied due process and understands how this presumption of innocence thingy works

* Secondly, if the government can tell a private employer who they can and cannot hire, it implies that the government is in charge of labor and production. And what do we call a form of government that controls labor and production, and owns the jobs? That would be socialism. AND what caused the problem, the genesis of which, you are complaining about?

If the government can tell a private employer who they can and cannot hire, it implies that the government is in charge of labor and production. And what do we call a form of government that controls labor and production, and owns the jobs? That would be socialism. Do you even know HOW all of this started? It all started with affirmative action, racial quotas, preferential hiring schemes, and then you had to have X number of LGBTQP, Y number of women, and Z number of other categories so that the Posterity of the framers didn't qualify for a job due to the government telling private business who to hire. There was no category for you.

MAGA means Make America Great Again. If the people wearing those hats used the brains under them, they would eventually get it. IF we want to Make America Great Again, then you have to acknowledge that we were once great. Who do you think owned and controlled business and labor back when America was great? Hint: You cannot build a government big enough to save you from yourself.
 

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In a sense they did when America was flooded with low skilled illegals who would take jobs
Americans used to do at about half the cost, all things considered.

So the cost for employers went down, and the cost to everyone else went up to support this illegal and his family. And our laws were ignored and our counties became complicit in breaking the law and our schools
and neighborhoods became degraded.

And a small percentage of idiots seemed to think it was all a great deal.
We hold these truths to be self evident, all men are created equal and have certain unalienable Rights endowed by their Creator, among these are, the Right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness-

I don't see a caveat in that philosophy. Can you point out one? Or, do you just not subscribe to something in particular, like maybe Creator, or all men are created equal, or maybe certain unalienable Rights?

And while I may be an idiot, I can read simple English and have a pretty good grasp on word comprehension, (no thanks to the subscribed to, by BOTH Party's, Public Education system), so, maybe you can help me get beyond being an idiot. Thanks in advance.
 

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In a sense they did when America was flooded with low skilled illegals who would take jobs
Americans used to do at about half the cost, all things considered.
Can you expound on, "all things considered"?
How many people do you know will swing a weed eater from can til can't every day?
 

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Can you expound on, "all things considered"?
How many people do you know will swing a weed eater from can til can't every day?
None for what uneducated unskilled illegals will do it for. I've seen illegals drive native workers right out
of some of the building trades and that's the problem, not that you seem to give a crap.

That puts American citizens out of work (A) and it (B) increases the costs borne by a community trying to
create a safety net for the families of illegals because Jose the illegal can't possibly support a family based
on what he makes without assistance.
It's also known as the Wal Mart Effect.

So unless you are the owner of a roofing company, or an asshole who likes flooding the nation with cheap compliant low wage workers who bring with them their families and delightful customs (like rampant
alcoholism and a disregard for our laws of any sort) you see America loses in several significant ways, not that you give a rat's ass, as already said.
 

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Can you expound on, "all things considered"?
How many people do you know will swing a weed eater from can til can't every day?
None for what uneducated unskilled illegals will do it for. I've seen illegals drive native workers right out
of some of the building trades and that's the problem, not that you seem to give a crap.

That puts American citizens out of work (A) and it (B) increases the costs borne by a community trying to
create a safety net for the families of illegals because Jose the illegal can't possibly support a family based
on what he makes without assistance.
It's also known as the Wal Mart Effect.

So unless you are the owner of a roofing company, or an asshole who likes flooding the nation with cheap compliant low wage workers who bring with them their families and delightful customs (like rampant
alcoholism and a disregard for our laws of any sort) you see America loses in several significant ways, not that you give a rat's ass, as already said.
I find it ironic that you use the board name Eric Arthur Blair, but are nothing like George Orwell and concerned as he was in his novel, 1984. Your objections to foreigners end up implying that you believe in a God / government.

Be honest for a moment. Sometimes I need help to get a job done. I have a finite budget. So, many times I'm working with people who are low income to fixed income folks. The big bucks charged by Bubba simply isn't in the budget. So, the choices are to hire the person who can get the job done at the price that is within that budget OR not do the repairs. If the repairs are not done, someone may lose their home. The other likely scenarios are that they end up living in a shack, breathing mold and stay unhealthy (which costs you in the end.) Just yesterday, I did a concrete job. One of the workers was 70. The quoted price that everybody in town wanted to fix a crack in a basement was $1500. Now, I'm part of a ministry trying to help white guys that are disenfranchised get back into the workforce. Anyway, I give two white guys a 50 percent pay increase over their part time sign spinning gigs, buy their breakfast, some Gatorades, and provide transportation. Total cost: $600 in labor and material. Explain to me why in the Hell a contractor thinks that $900 a day profit is justified.

America was established as a free market enterprise. Somehow you have a problem with that. Sometimes I offer gigs to white guys and they don't show up for work. Should I then pay for a concrete truck out of my pocket and say screw it just because the worker isn't a USDA prime cut of American meat with his National ID Card, SSN, driver's license, occupation license, driver's license, MVR check, Interpol check, credit check, criminal background check; has submitted to a pee test, blood test and given me a hair sample? So, I'm supposed to eat those kinds of losses and a homeowner loses their home just because Americans don't want to work?

It's bad enough that silly people refer to human beings as "illegal" after the United States Supreme Court has ruled that being in the United States without documentation is NOT a crime and even if it were, you're fucking us out of a presumption of innocence, innocent until proven guilty. If you ever get the opportunity to be screwed out of due process, I promise your attitude will change on that one. The reality is, Americans are not going out there and looking for work. They are expecting companies to come to them. And it is AMERICANS who voted for those policies that allow the employer to invade their privacy only to learn of the potential employee's drug habit, criminal record, and / or health condition. While you are on the Internet, complaining about it, foreigners are out there hustling and getting the jobs you're too lazy to work and / or dependent upon corporations to just give you a job because, after all... you're "legal" (sic.) Give me a break.
 

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Being in the United States without documentation does not make one a criminal. So says the United States Supreme Court.
That isn't being disputed. But how about trying to live here illegally? That's the real issue so I can see why
you are being disingenuous and deceptive.
 

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Being in the United States without documentation does not make one a criminal. So says the United States Supreme Court.
That isn't being disputed. But how about trying to live here illegally? That's the real issue so I can see why
you are being disingenuous and deceptive.
What's deceptive? Being in the United States without papers is not a crime. Where, in your mind, is the deception? The Declaration of Independence states:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

If you're going to call me deceptive, then let's cut the bullshit and talk turkey. Let's be honest. Is it your position that just because you're here, you don't have a Right to Life? Forget that paperwork crap.

I'm no fan of the illegally ratified 14th Amendment, but it takes precedence over any crackpot law you think you have that changes the bottom line. Let's look at it:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Note the difference between persons and citizens. Citizens, that is 14th Amendment citizens, have privileges and immunities. All PERSONS, as differentiated from citizens are entitled to the equal protection of the laws which include LIFE according to that Amendment. So, is your position they are not persons? Are foreigners animals? So, where have I been deceptive? My feeling is that you want to hide behind the immigration laws that were passed AFTER the 14th Amendment was passed AND AFTER the United States Supreme Court granted "plenary powers" over foreigners to Congress. Here is a big fucking surprise for you:

AFTER the 14th Amendment was passed, the United States Supreme Court legislated from the bench, giving Congress "plenary powers" over foreigners. No such authority exists for the United States Supreme Court to grant powers to any other branch of government. Find it and prove I'm being deceptive. Show me, in the Constitution, where such an authority exists for the United States Supreme Court to grant ANYBODY ANY POWERS. Cite it.

Being in the United States without papers is not a crime; it is a civil violation of the immigration laws and those are on very questionable grounds since it is, constitutionally speaking, a state's rights issue. The only de jure / lawful authority that the Constitution gives the federal government over foreigners is in Article I Section 8 of the Constitution:

"Congress shall have the power... To establish a uniform rule of naturalization"

NOTHING in the Constitution prohibits states from engaging in free market enterprise with foreigners. As a private citizen, who I hire, fire, buy from and sell to is my own business. I don't need your help and I'm not beholden to you to run my life - even if you hide behind a socialist government. So, where is the deception?
 

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Criminals do illegal things. That's what makes them criminals.
It's estimated that everyone breaks at last 3 laws a day. When are you going to turn yourself in?

Law writers make criminals of ordinary people. Like you. Now, if you can, with a straight face, say you've never done anything illegal I'm going to ask you how you know that. There are so many federal laws on the books they can't be counted.Throw in local laws and everyone is a criminal- including the holier than thou.
The Right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness has no caveats. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
 

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That’s kind of what it means.
Not until proven guilty. That whole due process deal. Remember?
And assuming guilt is immoral.

We have (allegedly) the Rule of Law and the assumption of INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
 

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That makes you a convicted criminal.
No, you're wrong, again. You aren't a criminal until you're proven to be a criminal. Innocent until proven guilty is the phrase, due process is the tool. Then and only then are you a criminal convicted of a crime. Until then it's alleged.
 

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