A ‘head scratcher’ – No Atlantic Hurricane by August in First Time in 11 Years

[testarosa]

One of the most close mindest subjects I've ever seen.

Open up your brain a little. This goes well far beyond our little time here.

No can do. If they did, they'd find that CO2 levels have been MUCH higher in the past, and the world didn't burn to a crisp.

They might find that missing MWP, too.

Correct.

 

[testarosa]

I'm done now. Thank you for your time.

Carry on.

 

[Old Rocks]

One of the most close mindest subjects I've ever seen.

Open up your brain a little. This goes well far beyond our little time here.

Well now, that is correct. Goes well beyond our time here. And in the geological record, every time we have seen a very rapid change in the GHGs in the atmosphere, we have seen an extinction event.

Climate Change: Evidence

Coral Reef History - Global Reef Project
Paleocene/Eocene Thermal Maximum Event
The Paleocene/Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) is the most extreme global warming event (over 14oF or 6oC) in history. Rapid rises in atmospheric carbon dioxide are observed in the geological record, as well as rises in sea level and in the lysocline (Boxed text). The most likely cause of the PETM is the release of large quantities of gas hydrates as the earth gradually warmed during the preceding Paleocene period. These gas hydrates, including methane gas, are locked up in ice & sedimentary deposits and would have been released as the Earth warmed. They are potent greenhouse gases and would have rapidly accelerated global warming. Coral reefs suffered heavily during this ‘mini-extinction’ and most disappeared.

 

[Old Rocks]

One of the most close mindest subjects I've ever seen.

Open up your brain a little. This goes well far beyond our little time here.

No can do. If they did, they'd find that CO2 levels have been MUCH higher in the past, and the world didn't burn to a crisp.

They might find that missing MWP, too.

Correct.

Good God. You two are total idiots. My major is Geology, I have been interested in that science since I was 12 years old, and that is over half a century ago. You think that you know more about the geological history of this planet than I do?

No, and no one ever said the world would burn to a crisp with higher CO2 levels. However, the climatic patterns would change, and the agriculture that 7 billion people depend on would suffer, already is suffering. And the yields of the oceans, already declining, will decline even more precipiously. What we are talking about is starvation in the third world nations, and far higher food prices in the other nations.

As for the MWP;


How does the Medieval Warm Period compare to current global temperatures?


While the Medieval Warm Period saw unusually warm temperatures in some regions, globally the planet was cooler than current conditions.



One of the most often cited arguments of those skeptical of global warming is that the Medieval Warm Period (800-1400 AD) was as warm as or warmer than today. Using this as proof to say that we cannot be causing current warming is a faulty notion based upon rhetoric rather than science. So what are the holes in this line of thinking?

Firstly, evidence suggests that the Medieval Warm Period may have been warmer than today in many parts of the globe such as in the North Atlantic. This warming thereby allowed Vikings to travel further north than had been previously possible because of reductions in sea ice and land ice in the Arctic. However, evidence also suggests that some places were very much cooler than today including the tropical pacific. All in all, when the warm places are averaged out with the cool places, it becomes clear that the overall warmth was likely similar to early to mid 20th century warming.

Since that early century warming, temperatures have risen well-beyond those achieved during the Medieval Warm Period across most of the globe. The National Academy of Sciences Report on Climate Reconstructions in 2006 found it plausible that current temperatures are hotter than during the Medieval Warm Period. Further evidence obtained since 2006 suggests that even in the Northern Hemisphere where the Medieval Warm Period was the most visible, temperatures are now beyond those experienced during Medieval times (Figure 1). This was also confirmed by a major paper from 78 scientists representing 60 scientific institutions around the world in 2013.

Continental-scale temperature variability during the past two millennia : Nature Geoscience : Nature Publishing Group


Past global climate changes had strong regional expression. To elucidate their spatio-temporal pattern, we reconstructed past temperatures for seven continental-scale regions during the past one to two millennia. The most coherent feature in nearly all of the regional temperature reconstructions is a long-term cooling trend, which ended late in the nineteenth century. At multi-decadal to centennial scales, temperature variability shows distinctly different regional patterns, with more similarity within each hemisphere than between them. There were no globally synchronous multi-decadal warm or cold intervals that define a worldwide Medieval Warm Period or Little Ice Age, but all reconstructions show generally cold conditions between ad 1580 and 1880, punctuated in some regions by warm decades during the eighteenth century. The transition to these colder conditions occurred earlier in the Arctic, Europe and Asia than in North America or the Southern Hemisphere regions. Recent warming reversed the long-term cooling; during the period ad 1971–2000, the area-weighted average reconstructed temperature was higher than any other time in nearly 1,400 years.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ed, I suggest a more accurate username: edthegulliblebuffoon.

I suggest a more applicable name for Dave,

"Pig iron, pig iron, with a pig iron on his hip"

You do know, don't you, that "pig iron" is NOT a reference to firearms?

No. You probably don't.

In your case................................................

 

[TheSeventhTiger]

I am pretty sure its all caused by all of the Volcano's erupting all over the world, including the ones in New England and Texas.

 

[hjmick]

We are just now entering peak hurricane season...

 

[Synthaholic]

Indeed. You idiots who are denying the stoppage have no data.

UAH v5.6 Global Temperature Update for July, 2013: +0.17 deg. C « Roy Spencer, PhD

From the site of the University of Alabama, ran by Dr. Roy Spencer, a skeptic. Now look at that graph. Since 1998, the average has only twice been lower than the highest point prior to 1998. Anyone that thinks that the warming has stopped is an idiot.

Note the low points and the high points since 1998. Now look at the high and low points prior to 1998. This in spite of several strong La Nina's and a lower TSI and less active sunspot cycle. The next strong El Nino is going to be interesting.

Thanks for the link. The comments ripping this guy to shreds are funny.

But, hey, if he's a denier, he's obviously a paid shill of Big Oil...and you're doing their work for them by linking to him.

Always seems to turn up that way.

 

[asterism]

UAH v5.6 Global Temperature Update for July, 2013: +0.17 deg. C « Roy Spencer, PhD

From the site of the University of Alabama, ran by Dr. Roy Spencer, a skeptic. Now look at that graph. Since 1998, the average has only twice been lower than the highest point prior to 1998. Anyone that thinks that the warming has stopped is an idiot.

Note the low points and the high points since 1998. Now look at the high and low points prior to 1998. This in spite of several strong La Nina's and a lower TSI and less active sunspot cycle. The next strong El Nino is going to be interesting.

Thanks for the link. The comments ripping this guy to shreds are funny.

But, hey, if he's a denier, he's obviously a paid shill of Big Oil...and you're doing their work for them by linking to him.

Always seems to turn up that way.

Who are the privately funded climatologists?

Two sides to that coin.

 

[testarosa]

We are just now entering peak hurricane season...

Shhh sh sh sh.

Hush now on that H word.

 

[TheSeventhTiger]

> Looking forward to the next Al Gore Excuse, the above average volcanic activity was as laughable as the "Video Caused Ben Ghazi" debacle.

 

[testarosa]

Always good entertainment in these threads.

 

[TheSeventhTiger]

what ever happened to "Cow Farts" as a leading cause of Global Warming?

 

[jon_berzerk]

what ever happened to "Cow Farts" as a leading cause of Global Warming?

it is still out there

 

[editec]

It is amusing watching intelligent, well informed people trying to teach pigs to sing.

Listen to these pig sqeal in protest!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

One of the most close mindest subjects I've ever seen.

Open up your brain a little. This goes well far beyond our little time here.

Well now, that is correct. Goes well beyond our time here. And in the geological record, every time we have seen a very rapid change in the GHGs in the atmosphere, we have seen an extinction event.

Climate Change: Evidence

Coral Reef History - Global Reef Project
Paleocene/Eocene Thermal Maximum Event
The Paleocene/Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) is the most extreme global warming event (over 14oF or 6oC) in history. Rapid rises in atmospheric carbon dioxide are observed in the geological record, as well as rises in sea level and in the lysocline (Boxed text). The most likely cause of the PETM is the release of large quantities of gas hydrates as the earth gradually warmed during the preceding Paleocene period. These gas hydrates, including methane gas, are locked up in ice & sedimentary deposits and would have been released as the Earth warmed. They are potent greenhouse gases and would have rapidly accelerated global warming. Coral reefs suffered heavily during this ‘mini-extinction’ and most disappeared.

sdrawkcab .forP

The warming causes the increase in GHG

 

[Synthaholic]

Thanks for the link. The comments ripping this guy to shreds are funny.

But, hey, if he's a denier, he's obviously a paid shill of Big Oil...and you're doing their work for them by linking to him.

Always seems to turn up that way.

Who are the privately funded climatologists?

Two sides to that coin.

Most climate scientists are attached to governmental and educational institutions, aren't they? NASA, universities, research facilities, etc.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

OK, I haven't gotten my September check yet from Big Oil.

 

[flacaltenn]

No can do. If they did, they'd find that CO2 levels have been MUCH higher in the past, and the world didn't burn to a crisp.

They might find that missing MWP, too.

Correct.

Good God. You two are total idiots. My major is Geology, I have been interested in that science since I was 12 years old, and that is over half a century ago. You think that you know more about the geological history of this planet than I do?

No, and no one ever said the world would burn to a crisp with higher CO2 levels. However, the climatic patterns would change, and the agriculture that 7 billion people depend on would suffer, already is suffering. And the yields of the oceans, already declining, will decline even more precipiously. What we are talking about is starvation in the third world nations, and far higher food prices in the other nations.

As for the MWP;


How does the Medieval Warm Period compare to current global temperatures?


While the Medieval Warm Period saw unusually warm temperatures in some regions, globally the planet was cooler than current conditions.



One of the most often cited arguments of those skeptical of global warming is that the Medieval Warm Period (800-1400 AD) was as warm as or warmer than today. Using this as proof to say that we cannot be causing current warming is a faulty notion based upon rhetoric rather than science. So what are the holes in this line of thinking?

Firstly, evidence suggests that the Medieval Warm Period may have been warmer than today in many parts of the globe such as in the North Atlantic. This warming thereby allowed Vikings to travel further north than had been previously possible because of reductions in sea ice and land ice in the Arctic. However, evidence also suggests that some places were very much cooler than today including the tropical pacific. All in all, when the warm places are averaged out with the cool places, it becomes clear that the overall warmth was likely similar to early to mid 20th century warming.

Since that early century warming, temperatures have risen well-beyond those achieved during the Medieval Warm Period across most of the globe. The National Academy of Sciences Report on Climate Reconstructions in 2006 found it plausible that current temperatures are hotter than during the Medieval Warm Period. Further evidence obtained since 2006 suggests that even in the Northern Hemisphere where the Medieval Warm Period was the most visible, temperatures are now beyond those experienced during Medieval times (Figure 1). This was also confirmed by a major paper from 78 scientists representing 60 scientific institutions around the world in 2013.

Continental-scale temperature variability during the past two millennia : Nature Geoscience : Nature Publishing Group


Past global climate changes had strong regional expression. To elucidate their spatio-temporal pattern, we reconstructed past temperatures for seven continental-scale regions during the past one to two millennia. The most coherent feature in nearly all of the regional temperature reconstructions is a long-term cooling trend, which ended late in the nineteenth century. At multi-decadal to centennial scales, temperature variability shows distinctly different regional patterns, with more similarity within each hemisphere than between them. There were no globally synchronous multi-decadal warm or cold intervals that define a worldwide Medieval Warm Period or Little Ice Age, but all reconstructions show generally cold conditions between ad 1580 and 1880, punctuated in some regions by warm decades during the eighteenth century. The transition to these colder conditions occurred earlier in the Arctic, Europe and Asia than in North America or the Southern Hemisphere regions. Recent warming reversed the long-term cooling; during the period ad 1971–2000, the area-weighted average reconstructed temperature was higher than any other time in nearly 1,400 years.

I accept NOTHING from skepticalscience.com.. As for the 2nd link, I've got over 20 proxies studies from ALL OVER THE GLOBE --- saying the MWP was a GLOBAL event..

Proxy studies are where GLOBAL ESTIMATES come from.. And if you IGNORE ENOUGH OF THEM --- you can come up with any temperature you please.... Aint that right GoldiRocks????

Now let the lying continue...

 

[flacaltenn]

I am pretty sure its all caused by all of the Volcano's erupting all over the world, including the ones in New England and Texas.

You must have missed the news.. Those heathens up in New England tossed a couple virgins into the volcanoes.. Everything up there has been quiet since.. Only Fox covered it live..