A gun control proposal

[RetiredGySgt]

How about criminal liability for deaths resulting from the sale of a weapon where the seller failed to run a standardized background check?

how about liability for jack daniels, or coors.

Jack and coors have no special liability protection .

So you think a gun maker should be liable for what a buyer of his firearm does but not that any other manufacturer should also be liable the same way?

 

[The Rabbi]

But they aren't working idiot. That is just a lie that your media and politicians tell you.

Gun control has never worked in this country. We have 100 years of experience with it. And it fails every time.

Before the first gun control laws were passed decades ago, we had zero mass shootings. Now we have gun control and a bunch of mass shootings. It isn't a coincidence.

And Australia pretty much eliminated mass shootings with gun control.

And everyone didn't have a hi cap semi auto decades ago.

And there was just a mass shooting a few days ago in Australia doofus. You lose.

IF A LAW DOESN'T WORK 100% OF THE TIME IT IS A FAILURE.

Right?

Well something over 0% would be good. And gun control has a 100% failure rate.

 

[Auld Phart]

Abortion is murder.
There were never any bans on gay marriage
Bans on guns have been proven ineffective.

Except where they've actually been implemented. Ya know, like in reality.

Show me where they have been proven effective. Chicago banned guns for like 40 years. Chicago has one of the highest gun murder rates in the country. DC banned guns for 30 years. DC has one of the highest rates for murder and gun crime in the country.
So go ahead. Where are they effective, brainiac?

Yes and with nobody checking the border it's very easy to bring guns into Chicago.

Yes and with nobody checking the border it's very easy to bring guns into Chicago.

Which border?

Canadian? Mexican?

Indiana.

Indiana.

You want then to set up border patrol on the Illinois/Indiana border?


Seriously, brain,

is your first name lame?

 

[The Rabbi]

Except where they've actually been implemented. Ya know, like in reality.

Show me where they have been proven effective. Chicago banned guns for like 40 years. Chicago has one of the highest gun murder rates in the country. DC banned guns for 30 years. DC has one of the highest rates for murder and gun crime in the country.
So go ahead. Where are they effective, brainiac?

Yes and with nobody checking the border it's very easy to bring guns into Chicago.

Yes and with nobody checking the border it's very easy to bring guns into Chicago.

Which border?

Canadian? Mexican?

Indiana.

Indiana.

You want then to set up border patrol on the Illinois/Indiana border?


Seriously, brain,

is your first name lame?

We should make it illegal to sell guns via private party over state borders. Oh wait, it already is.

 

[RDD_1210]

The people doing the shooting and killing arent deterred from the laws on the books. Hasnt this point been made often enough that you get it yet? Or are you one of those stupid ones?

So why are the laws in every other 1st world country working?

Let me guess, America is the only country with criminals?

So why are the laws in every other 1st world country working?

The population gave up the right to defend themselves

Let me guess, America is the only country with criminals?

no.

It's the only one with the constitutional right to keep and bear arms

Great, so gun control can work as evidenced in other countries. Thanks!

Seems to be working great in Mexico and SOuth Africa.
Oops.
Sorry, dunce. You just arent very good at this.

Didn't he say 1st world countries? You aren't very good at this.

I predicted his move and he pulled it anyway. Rabbi is a broken record.

 

[Brain357]

So why are the laws in every other 1st world country working?

Let me guess, America is the only country with criminals?

But they aren't working idiot. That is just a lie that your media and politicians tell you.

Gun control has never worked in this country. We have 100 years of experience with it. And it fails every time.

Before the first gun control laws were passed decades ago, we had zero mass shootings. Now we have gun control and a bunch of mass shootings. It isn't a coincidence.

And Australia pretty much eliminated mass shootings with gun control.

And everyone didn't have a hi cap semi auto decades ago.

And there was just a mass shooting a few days ago in Australia doofus. You lose.

Mass shootings preventable? These countries have tried - CNN.com

 

[RetiredGySgt]

no thanks Timmy , I want to roll back all gun laws .

Haven't seen enough dead kids yet eh?

Other then confiscating ALL firearms how do you suggest we stop them from being killed?

 

[RDD_1210]

Pick a country and we can compare stats. Pick any 1st world country....I know you'll be tempted to pick some 3rd world shit hole and run away.

When are you going to realize that the right to bear arms is a Constitutionally guaranteed right? Those countries you are referring to have never had a constitution guaranteeing that right. We are not talking about what country does what, but a Constitutionally protected and guaranteed unfettered right.

The argument is that gun control can't work. Other countries show that it can. Try and keep up.

 

[Brain357]

So why are the laws in every other 1st world country working?

Let me guess, America is the only country with criminals?

So why are the laws in every other 1st world country working?

The population gave up the right to defend themselves

Let me guess, America is the only country with criminals?

no.

It's the only one with the constitutional right to keep and bear arms

Great, so gun control can work as evidenced in other countries. Thanks!

Seems to be working great in Mexico and SOuth Africa.
Oops.
Sorry, dunce. You just arent very good at this.

Didn't he say 1st world countries? You aren't very good at this.

Switzerland and Finland are two first world countries with high levels of gun ownership and low levels of crime.
/fail.

Finland is the worst of the Scandinavian countries in crime and the others have much stricter gun laws. Switzerland is a very rich country.

 

[RDD_1210]

So why are the laws in every other 1st world country working?

Let me guess, America is the only country with criminals?

So why are the laws in every other 1st world country working?

The population gave up the right to defend themselves

Let me guess, America is the only country with criminals?

no.

It's the only one with the constitutional right to keep and bear arms

Great, so gun control can work as evidenced in other countries. Thanks!

Seems to be working great in Mexico and SOuth Africa.
Oops.
Sorry, dunce. You just arent very good at this.

Didn't he say 1st world countries? You aren't very good at this.

Switzerland and Finland are two first world countries with high levels of gun ownership and low levels of crime.
/fail.

Should we emulate their gun policies?

Uh oh, Rabbi has some back pedaling to do....

 

[Auld Phart]

But they aren't working idiot. That is just a lie that your media and politicians tell you.

Gun control has never worked in this country. We have 100 years of experience with it. And it fails every time.

Before the first gun control laws were passed decades ago, we had zero mass shootings. Now we have gun control and a bunch of mass shootings. It isn't a coincidence.

And Australia pretty much eliminated mass shootings with gun control.

And everyone didn't have a hi cap semi auto decades ago.

And there was just a mass shooting a few days ago in Australia doofus. You lose.

Mass shootings preventable? These countries have tried - CNN.com

Lets try this again:


Do

those

countries

have

constitutions

guaranteeing

a

right

to

keep

and

bear

arms?

Was that slow enough for you?

 

[The Rabbi]

So why are the laws in every other 1st world country working?

Let me guess, America is the only country with criminals?

So why are the laws in every other 1st world country working?

The population gave up the right to defend themselves

Let me guess, America is the only country with criminals?

no.

It's the only one with the constitutional right to keep and bear arms

Great, so gun control can work as evidenced in other countries. Thanks!

Seems to be working great in Mexico and SOuth Africa.
Oops.
Sorry, dunce. You just arent very good at this.

Didn't he say 1st world countries? You aren't very good at this.

I predicted his move and he pulled it anyway. Rabbi is a broken record.

You still havent shown where gun bans have worked. You have failed. You understand you are a failure, right?

 

[RDD_1210]

Gun control has never worked in this country. We have 100 years of experience with it. And it fails every time.

Before the first gun control laws were passed decades ago, we had zero mass shootings. Now we have gun control and a bunch of mass shootings. It isn't a coincidence.

And Australia pretty much eliminated mass shootings with gun control.

And everyone didn't have a hi cap semi auto decades ago.

And there was just a mass shooting a few days ago in Australia doofus. You lose.

IF A LAW DOESN'T WORK 100% OF THE TIME IT IS A FAILURE.

Right?

Well something over 0% would be good. And gun control has a 100% failure rate.

And Gun Dealers are 100% felons.

it's fun to make up stats!

 

[Brain357]

Gun control has never worked in this country. We have 100 years of experience with it. And it fails every time.

Before the first gun control laws were passed decades ago, we had zero mass shootings. Now we have gun control and a bunch of mass shootings. It isn't a coincidence.

And Australia pretty much eliminated mass shootings with gun control.

And everyone didn't have a hi cap semi auto decades ago.

And there was just a mass shooting a few days ago in Australia doofus. You lose.

Mass shootings preventable? These countries have tried - CNN.com

Lets try this again:


Do

those

countries

have

constitutions

guaranteeing

a

right

to

keep

and

bear

arms?

Was that slow enough for you?

That doesn't change their gun control has been effective.

 

[The Rabbi]

The population gave up the right to defend themselves

no.

It's the only one with the constitutional right to keep and bear arms

Great, so gun control can work as evidenced in other countries. Thanks!

Seems to be working great in Mexico and SOuth Africa.
Oops.
Sorry, dunce. You just arent very good at this.

Didn't he say 1st world countries? You aren't very good at this.

Switzerland and Finland are two first world countries with high levels of gun ownership and low levels of crime.
/fail.

Should we emulate their gun policies?

Uh oh, Rabbi has some back pedaling to do....

No, because we arent those countries. But guns obviously do not cause crime. Criminals do. And we have more criminals than those countries.
You really are very very bad at this debate thing. This s what, the third time Ive pwned you already on this thread?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

How about a real conversation about the gun issue .

Here's what I think .

Background Checks, no private sale or gun show loopholes . Gun registration so we can follow the gun and prevent straw purchases. Local gun licenses thru the police Those things would help keep guns away from criminals and kooks . That's the majority of the gun problem.

In return . The law abiding can buy all the guns they want . U can only shoot 2 at a time at best . U want a 20 round clip, go ahead and have a party . License to carry, ok with me .


What's the down side ?

I differ from most conservatives in that I believe that with our rights come responsibilities.
That said, I think a firearms purchase should fall into the same vein as buying a motor vehicle.
In order to purchase a vehicle and then operate it on the public roadways, we must present ID, have a background( credit) check, give out personal information.
I see no reason why a firearm purchase cannot include the same scrutiny.

Already happens, you MUST have id to buy, yoiu must fill out personal paperwork to buy and you must submit to a background check to buy. Anything else?

 

[The Rabbi]

Before the first gun control laws were passed decades ago, we had zero mass shootings. Now we have gun control and a bunch of mass shootings. It isn't a coincidence.

And Australia pretty much eliminated mass shootings with gun control.

And everyone didn't have a hi cap semi auto decades ago.

And there was just a mass shooting a few days ago in Australia doofus. You lose.

IF A LAW DOESN'T WORK 100% OF THE TIME IT IS A FAILURE.

Right?

Well something over 0% would be good. And gun control has a 100% failure rate.

And Gun Dealers are 100% felons.

it's fun to make up stats!

Please demonstrate where gun control has had any positive effect on crime rates. There is no place.

 

[The Rabbi]

Before the first gun control laws were passed decades ago, we had zero mass shootings. Now we have gun control and a bunch of mass shootings. It isn't a coincidence.

And Australia pretty much eliminated mass shootings with gun control.

And everyone didn't have a hi cap semi auto decades ago.

And there was just a mass shooting a few days ago in Australia doofus. You lose.

Mass shootings preventable? These countries have tried - CNN.com

Lets try this again:


Do

those

countries

have

constitutions

guaranteeing

a

right

to

keep

and

bear

arms?

Was that slow enough for you?

That doesn't change their gun control has been effective.

Evidence for that?
Because those same countries had low crime rates before they instituted gun control.

 

[Brain357]

And Australia pretty much eliminated mass shootings with gun control.

And everyone didn't have a hi cap semi auto decades ago.

And there was just a mass shooting a few days ago in Australia doofus. You lose.

Mass shootings preventable? These countries have tried - CNN.com

Lets try this again:


Do

those

countries

have

constitutions

guaranteeing

a

right

to

keep

and

bear

arms?

Was that slow enough for you?

That doesn't change their gun control has been effective.

Evidence for that?
Because those same countries had low crime rates before they instituted gun control.

They have all been effective at lowering gun crime.

 

[RDD_1210]

The population gave up the right to defend themselves

no.

It's the only one with the constitutional right to keep and bear arms

Great, so gun control can work as evidenced in other countries. Thanks!

Seems to be working great in Mexico and SOuth Africa.
Oops.
Sorry, dunce. You just arent very good at this.

Didn't he say 1st world countries? You aren't very good at this.

I predicted his move and he pulled it anyway. Rabbi is a broken record.

You still havent shown where gun bans have worked. You have failed. You understand you are a failure, right?

I asked you to pick a single 1st world country so we can compare stats and gun policies and you couldn't even do that. I'm letting you have your pick of any of the many 1st world countries and you refuse. Wonder why that is?

Do you ever get tired of being embarrassed on a topic you pretend to be an expert on?