A great example of why socialism is better than "charity"

[danielpalos]

i am not the one with nothing but excuses.

You're the one that doesn't understand what socialism is yet is trying to debate the subject.

Government is socialism. You can't have socialism without Government.

Right wing special pleading over means of production is meaningless.

Our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror, are public sector means of production. As is Hoover Dam.

Dude, learn what socialism is. You're embarrassing yourself and giving your family a bad name.

dude; i have an encyclopedic understanding of socialism not a dictionary definition understanding invented as political jargon because it had to be dumbed down for the right wing, for the Cold War.

When did Dr. Suess write an encyclopedia?

somebody had to actually understand it enough to write a dictionary definition.

 

[Rustic]

You're the one that doesn't understand what socialism is yet is trying to debate the subject.

Government is socialism. You can't have socialism without Government.

Right wing special pleading over means of production is meaningless.

Our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror, are public sector means of production. As is Hoover Dam.

Dude, learn what socialism is. You're embarrassing yourself and giving your family a bad name.

dude; i have an encyclopedic understanding of socialism not a dictionary definition understanding invented as political jargon because it had to be dumbed down for the right wing, for the Cold War.

When did Dr. Suess write an encyclopedia?

somebody had to actually understand it enough to write a dictionary definition.

Lol
What did Albert Einstein say… Trying something over and over again and expecting different results is insanity… That applies to socialism perfectly

 

[danielpalos]

Government is socialism. You can't have socialism without Government.

Right wing special pleading over means of production is meaningless.

Our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror, are public sector means of production. As is Hoover Dam.

Dude, learn what socialism is. You're embarrassing yourself and giving your family a bad name.

dude; i have an encyclopedic understanding of socialism not a dictionary definition understanding invented as political jargon because it had to be dumbed down for the right wing, for the Cold War.

When did Dr. Suess write an encyclopedia?

somebody had to actually understand it enough to write a dictionary definition.

Lol
What did Albert Einstein say… Trying something over and over again and expecting different results is insanity… That applies to socialism perfectly

lol. the right wing keeps relying on a dictionary definition invented for the right wing, for the Cold War.

the Cold War is over.

 

[Rustic]

Dude, learn what socialism is. You're embarrassing yourself and giving your family a bad name.

dude; i have an encyclopedic understanding of socialism not a dictionary definition understanding invented as political jargon because it had to be dumbed down for the right wing, for the Cold War.

When did Dr. Suess write an encyclopedia?

somebody had to actually understand it enough to write a dictionary definition.

Lol
What did Albert Einstein say… Trying something over and over again and expecting different results is insanity… That applies to socialism perfectly

lol. the right wing keeps relying on a dictionary definition invented for the right wing, for the Cold War.

the Cold War is over.

Socialism has been tried countless times, in countless forms...

And it has failed long-term every time… LOL

 

[danielpalos]

States and Statism! May they exist forever!

 

[Soupnazi630]

No they do not

Social-ism requires government but not the other way around

Social-ism is Government. Our Constitution defines our form of social-ism.

Wrong
Socialism is one specific form of government.

political jargon for the Cold War.

No it is pre cold war and post cold war accuracy

it is obsolete now that the Cold War is over. inaccurate information is worthless.

No it was always accurate and still is.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Still making up word definitions I see.

lol. i found them in the dictionary.

No you did not
Socialism. Is not is not defined as you claim

Social-ism, is what we are discussing.

And it is not defined as you claim

Adding a dash doe snot change it

the right wing is illiterate.

It is not about right or left wing it is about accuracy

 

[Soupnazi630]

What dictionary defines government as socialism?

social: pertaining to society and its organization.

too complicated for the right wing? a longer word must be even more difficult.

Social and socialism are two different words

appealing to emotion with the term, socialism, and using socialism in valid arguments are two different things as well.

Yes and you have appealed to emotion while never making a valid argument

where is that? the right wing Talks, they have no arguments.

They do and so does the left wing.

You do not

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Charity has always been better than socialism and always will be because charity doesn't have the government middle man taking his massive cut out of everyone's pockets to support their inefficient and wasteful ways and using charity as a tool to buy votes and prop up cynical politicians. Also charity is targeted to where the donor wants his money to go...
not where some fat insular bureaucrat wants your money to go. End of story.

 

[danielpalos]

Social-ism is Government. Our Constitution defines our form of social-ism.

Wrong
Socialism is one specific form of government.

political jargon for the Cold War.

No it is pre cold war and post cold war accuracy

it is obsolete now that the Cold War is over. inaccurate information is worthless.

No it was always accurate and still is.

in right wing fantasy, You are Always right.

 

[danielpalos]

lol. i found them in the dictionary.

No you did not
Socialism. Is not is not defined as you claim

Social-ism, is what we are discussing.

And it is not defined as you claim

Adding a dash doe snot change it

the right wing is illiterate.

It is not about right or left wing it is about accuracy

the left had to work on echelon order strategy due to right wing, slackery.

 

[danielpalos]

social: pertaining to society and its organization.

too complicated for the right wing? a longer word must be even more difficult.

Social and socialism are two different words

appealing to emotion with the term, socialism, and using socialism in valid arguments are two different things as well.

Yes and you have appealed to emotion while never making a valid argument

where is that? the right wing Talks, they have no arguments.

They do and so does the left wing.

You do not

i gainsay your contention; want to argue about it?

 

[danielpalos]

Charity has always been better than socialism and always will be because charity doesn't have the government middle man taking his massive cut out of everyone's pockets to support their inefficient and wasteful ways and using charity as a tool to buy votes and prop up cynical politicians. Also charity is targeted to where the donor wants his money to go...
not where some fat insular bureaucrat wants your money to go. End of story.

private charity covers multitudes of sins; public charity can enable the richest Poor in the world.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

private charity covers multitudes of sins; public charity can enable the richest Poor in the world.

"Public charity"...you mean socialism, right? Socialism isn't charity. You need to buzz off now.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong
Socialism is one specific form of government.

political jargon for the Cold War.

No it is pre cold war and post cold war accuracy

it is obsolete now that the Cold War is over. inaccurate information is worthless.

No it was always accurate and still is.

in right wing fantasy, You are Always right.

It is simple English and neither right nor left.

It proves you wrong.

 

[The Purge]

 

[Conservative65]

I'm fascinated by the way you cite one of the primary reasons for charity as a negative aspect.

Dignity comes from one's self and one's actions; it is most definitely not conveyed by stealing someone else's money via government and being told you have a right to feel good about it.

Socialism is a lot more dignified than charity. Everybody pays in and everybody is entitled. Its a right. The NHS works on the same principle. How many Americans are suffering in pain because they cant afford the treatment ? Barbaric.

No, socialism is a lot of unearned pride, based in nothing substantial. REAL dignity is far more to be found in personal, one-on-one charity, as is genuine growth and development as a person. Learn the difference between "dignity" and "never experiencing unpleasantness". It's a level of maturity that clearly neither you nor the self-centered, delusional homeless person have ever encountered.

As for the "wonders" of the NHS, how many Britons are suffering because they forced others to pay for them, and now they can't get treatment at all? How dignified is THAT?

There is no dignity in begging for handouts. Dignity comes from being part of a society where people work for the common good. I realise that is anathema to conservatives who would inflict their Victorian values on the rest of us.

I think a big problem here is that you don't understand what dignity actually is. You seem to think it means "feeling good about yourself and never having to feel uncomfortable about anything." It doesn't.

And I strongly challenge your notion that sending the government to take other people's money and give it to you so that you never have to face them yourself or, God forbid, feel ashamed or grateful, is not at all being a part of society, and certainly does not make you one of the people working for any good at all. It makes you a leech, sucking off the lifeforce of those who are working and weighing them down. You SHOULDN'T feel any sense of dignity or comfort with yourself under those circumstances.

I realize any sort of values that actually involve becoming better people is anathema to leftists, who would inflict their greed and self-centeredness on the rest of us. Your half-assed, mistaken notions of charity are exactly the cause of most - if not all - of what is wrong with the world today.

You fail to comprehend the basics. How can I be a leech when I have paid i all my working life ? The NHS is a huge insurance scheme when broken down. If you follow your logic then you are a "leech" when you claim off your health insurance.
Basically we are talking two different languages. I am talking about humanity,decency and dignity. You just dont like paying taxes for a better world. A typical right wing extremist.

When it comes to the social programs in the U.S., what you MAY have paid into the funding of it the past is irrelevant.

 

[Conservative65]

I'm fascinated by the way you cite one of the primary reasons for charity as a negative aspect.

Dignity comes from one's self and one's actions; it is most definitely not conveyed by stealing someone else's money via government and being told you have a right to feel good about it.

Socialism is a lot more dignified than charity. Everybody pays in and everybody is entitled. Its a right. The NHS works on the same principle. How many Americans are suffering in pain because they cant afford the treatment ? Barbaric.

No, socialism is a lot of unearned pride, based in nothing substantial. REAL dignity is far more to be found in personal, one-on-one charity, as is genuine growth and development as a person. Learn the difference between "dignity" and "never experiencing unpleasantness". It's a level of maturity that clearly neither you nor the self-centered, delusional homeless person have ever encountered.

As for the "wonders" of the NHS, how many Britons are suffering because they forced others to pay for them, and now they can't get treatment at all? How dignified is THAT?

There is no dignity in begging for handouts. Dignity comes from being part of a society where people work for the common good. I realise that is anathema to conservatives who would inflict their Victorian values on the rest of us.

I think a big problem here is that you don't understand what dignity actually is. You seem to think it means "feeling good about yourself and never having to feel uncomfortable about anything." It doesn't.

And I strongly challenge your notion that sending the government to take other people's money and give it to you so that you never have to face them yourself or, God forbid, feel ashamed or grateful, is not at all being a part of society, and certainly does not make you one of the people working for any good at all. It makes you a leech, sucking off the lifeforce of those who are working and weighing them down. You SHOULDN'T feel any sense of dignity or comfort with yourself under those circumstances.

I realize any sort of values that actually involve becoming better people is anathema to leftists, who would inflict their greed and self-centeredness on the rest of us. Your half-assed, mistaken notions of charity are exactly the cause of most - if not all - of what is wrong with the world today.

Only 39% of Americans have enough savings to cover a $1,000 emergency

61% of Americans are $1001 from losing their dignity

That's not the problem of the rest of us that can cover it nor does it make it our responsibility because those 61% didn't prepare.

 

[sealybobo]

Socialism is a lot more dignified than charity. Everybody pays in and everybody is entitled. Its a right. The NHS works on the same principle. How many Americans are suffering in pain because they cant afford the treatment ? Barbaric.

No, socialism is a lot of unearned pride, based in nothing substantial. REAL dignity is far more to be found in personal, one-on-one charity, as is genuine growth and development as a person. Learn the difference between "dignity" and "never experiencing unpleasantness". It's a level of maturity that clearly neither you nor the self-centered, delusional homeless person have ever encountered.

As for the "wonders" of the NHS, how many Britons are suffering because they forced others to pay for them, and now they can't get treatment at all? How dignified is THAT?

There is no dignity in begging for handouts. Dignity comes from being part of a society where people work for the common good. I realise that is anathema to conservatives who would inflict their Victorian values on the rest of us.

I think a big problem here is that you don't understand what dignity actually is. You seem to think it means "feeling good about yourself and never having to feel uncomfortable about anything." It doesn't.

And I strongly challenge your notion that sending the government to take other people's money and give it to you so that you never have to face them yourself or, God forbid, feel ashamed or grateful, is not at all being a part of society, and certainly does not make you one of the people working for any good at all. It makes you a leech, sucking off the lifeforce of those who are working and weighing them down. You SHOULDN'T feel any sense of dignity or comfort with yourself under those circumstances.

I realize any sort of values that actually involve becoming better people is anathema to leftists, who would inflict their greed and self-centeredness on the rest of us. Your half-assed, mistaken notions of charity are exactly the cause of most - if not all - of what is wrong with the world today.

Only 39% of Americans have enough savings to cover a $1,000 emergency

61% of Americans are $1001 from losing their dignity

That's not the problem of the rest of us that can cover it nor does it make it our responsibility because those 61% didn't prepare.

Class warfare has been waged on the middle class. The gap between the rich and poor has widened because of it.

Maybe we the people need to unionize and vote for liberals. Then we would make the poor your problem.

 

[Conservative65]

No, socialism is a lot of unearned pride, based in nothing substantial. REAL dignity is far more to be found in personal, one-on-one charity, as is genuine growth and development as a person. Learn the difference between "dignity" and "never experiencing unpleasantness". It's a level of maturity that clearly neither you nor the self-centered, delusional homeless person have ever encountered.

As for the "wonders" of the NHS, how many Britons are suffering because they forced others to pay for them, and now they can't get treatment at all? How dignified is THAT?

There is no dignity in begging for handouts. Dignity comes from being part of a society where people work for the common good. I realise that is anathema to conservatives who would inflict their Victorian values on the rest of us.

I think a big problem here is that you don't understand what dignity actually is. You seem to think it means "feeling good about yourself and never having to feel uncomfortable about anything." It doesn't.

And I strongly challenge your notion that sending the government to take other people's money and give it to you so that you never have to face them yourself or, God forbid, feel ashamed or grateful, is not at all being a part of society, and certainly does not make you one of the people working for any good at all. It makes you a leech, sucking off the lifeforce of those who are working and weighing them down. You SHOULDN'T feel any sense of dignity or comfort with yourself under those circumstances.

I realize any sort of values that actually involve becoming better people is anathema to leftists, who would inflict their greed and self-centeredness on the rest of us. Your half-assed, mistaken notions of charity are exactly the cause of most - if not all - of what is wrong with the world today.

Only 39% of Americans have enough savings to cover a $1,000 emergency

61% of Americans are $1001 from losing their dignity

That's not the problem of the rest of us that can cover it nor does it make it our responsibility because those 61% didn't prepare.

Class warfare has been waged on the middle class. The gap between the rich and poor has widened because of it.

Maybe we the people need to unionize and vote for liberals. Then we would make the poor your problem.

Are you saying the poor are in the middle class? Doesn't change the fact that it doesn't become one group's responsibility because the other didn't prepare.

You claim to care about the poor yet, as a Liberal, demand others do something about helping them. So typical. But you claimed to care as claiming is all a Liberal needs to do to feel good about him/herself.