A Death Sentence for Bullshit Jobs

[Rawley]

DoE provides assistance for special needs children, low income districts,

Again, block grants

provides a clearinghouse for states to share information and nationwide standards

All information sharing can be done at the state level, they don't need the Federal gvt. to help them talk to each other. There are no nationwide standards

Face it
Some states don’t give a shit about education

Yup. And why should I give a shit if they don't give a shit?

 

[Foxfyre]

Why does that number surprise you?
Do you realize how big the Federal Government is?
Over 2 million

The size of the IG is dependent on their workload

So we need 74,000 people making sure that race, skin color, sexual orientation, transgenders are included in every office in every department or agency to the exclusion of merit?

In my opinion, in the interest of efficient, effective, competent, useful government, we need zero people doing that.

 

[rightwinger]

So we need 74,000 people making sure that race, skin color, sexual orientation, transgenders are included in every office in every department or agency to the exclusion of merit?

In my opinion, in the interest of efficient, effective, competent, useful government, we need zero people doing that.

We are talking IG not DEI

 

[Foxfyre]

DoE provides assistance for special needs children, low income districts, provides a clearinghouse for states to share information and nationwide standards

Face it
Some states don’t give a shit about education

According to the Constitution, it is given to the various states the right to choose what they give a shit about. No authority whatsoever, no clause, no paragraph, no sentence in the U.S. Constitution gives the federal government any authority over education. It can suggest, it can promote, it can even help to make it easier or better, but it cannot constitutionally order any state to do anything re education.

That was settled in Thomas Jefferson's day when he considered the U.S. government help establish the University of Virginia. Clearer heads convinced him the federal government had no jurisdiction or authority to do that so he got it done at the state level.

 

[sparky]

So Trump nixed your bullshit DEI job

unherd.com

This guy gets it. Our Beloved President has done all taxpayers a big favor by signing a "death warrant" for a certain category of Bullshit Jobs coming under the heading of Diversity-Equity-Inclusion. This essay describes what they do and how, and of course why "we" can live without them.

For those who follow Constitutional stuff, all of this stuff grew out of Supreme Court cases that tried to kill "Affirmative Action" because it was racially discriminatory. Colleges and other like-minded institutions eventually came to DEI as a way of discrimination on the basis of race without admitting that's what you are doing.

I personally wonder if this anti-movement (against DEI) will ever make it to advertising and scripted entertainment, where Black people and Wimmin get all the good roles, and there are more inter-racial families than intra.

So it goes with DEI “experts” hired to enrich the workplace with diversity and equity — the latter is a fuzzy term that even Bernie Sanders threw up his hands when asked to define.

Exactly how full of shit are DEI jobs?

Graeber’s taxonomy places bullshit jobs into five categories: Flunkies, Goons, Duct Tapers, Box Tickers, and Taskmasters. DEI jobs could fit all five conceivably.

so can i have a show of hands as to how many here want a DEI surgeon to do your next operation?

~S~

 

[rightwinger]

According to the Constitution, it is given to the various states the right to choose what they give a shit about. No authority whatsoever, no clause, no paragraph, no sentence in the U.S. Constitution gives the federal government any authority over education. It can suggest, it can promote, it can even help to make it easier or better, but it cannot constitutionally order any state to do anything re education.

That was settled in Thomas Jefferson's day when he considered the U.S. government help establish the University of Virginia. Clearer heads convinced him the federal government had no jurisdiction or authority to do that so he got it done at the state level.

DoE has been around for 50 years
Show where it has been found unconstitutional

 

[Polishprince]

So?

US pays our elected officials shit

Actually, the salary of the US President is more, much more, than most other heads of state.

Multiples of the salaries paid to Presidents in Bangladesh, Burkina Faso, Central African Republic, etc.

 

[Foxfyre]

We are talking IG not DEI

Conceded. I got Post #1 the OP re DEI mixed up with Post #2 dealing with the IG offices. But my opinion about the DEI enforcement stands.

As for the IG offices, we don't have all the reasons those fired were fired but the move is not unprecedented:

". . .Shortly after President Ronald Reagan’s inauguration in 1981, Reagan fired all 15 acting inspectors general before replacing them with his nominees, according to the Congressional Research Service. Reagan later rehired about half of the ousted officials. President Barack Obama removed the inspector general of the Corporation for National Community Service in 2009. President Joe Biden removed an inspector general from the Railroad Retirement Board in 2024. Trump removed five inspectors general during his first term in 2020. . ."

Trump Accused Of ‘Dismantling Checks On His Power’ After Firing Inspectors General—Here’s What To Know

It’s not immediately clear whether the firings are legal, as the Trump administration is required to give a 30-day notice.

www.forbes.com

 

[Foxfyre]

DoE has been around for 50 years
Show where it has been found unconstitutional

Show me where it was ever tested for constitutionality. Jimmy Carter instituted it and American public schools have been in decline ever since. If we want excellence, competence, quality of education, obviously the DoE is not the way to accomplish it.

 

[rightwinger]

Show me where it was ever tested for constitutionality. Jimmy Carter instituted it and American public schools have been in decline ever since. If we want excellence, competence, quality of education, obviously the DoE is not the way to accomplish it.

Doesn’t work like that
It is Constitutional until challenged and proven otherwise

DoEprovides 10 percent of School funding

Facilities, teachers, educational programs are all at the state and local level
Blame them for declining results

 

[Foxfyre]

Doesn’t work like that
It is Constitutional until challenged and proven otherwise

DoEprovides 10 percent of School funding

Facilities, teachers, educational programs are all at the state and local level
Blame them for declining results

The point is there is no authority given the U.S. government to fund schools in the states. And since the DoE's 4000 employees are obviously doing absolutely nothing to improve the quality of education in the USA, the Dept. of Education absolutely should be defunded and closed.

Or. . .it could become a department within a department, have maybe 25 to 50 employees who would be tasked with compiling information and data re qualifications required by various universities, collect information on ratings of schools, distribute standardized tests like ACT/SAT etc. and otherwise be a central information agency that all the schools could use. It would have absolutely nothing to do with school policy, curriculum, or any other authority.

 

[Polishprince]

Doesn’t work like that
It is Constitutional until challenged and proven otherwise

DoEprovides 10 percent of School funding

Facilities, teachers, educational programs are all at the state and local level
Blame them for declining results

The DoE is supposed to overlook all of its expenditures. They've been doing a pisspoor job of it.

Maybe its time to fire all of the bureaucrats in DoE. If a local, impoverished school district is in need of a special federal grant, because of unforeseen circumstances, Congress can pass a bill to help them.

But for the vast majority of the time, let local people fund their own schools, without pushing all of this money to Washington DC to pay for do-nothing bureaucrats who do nothing for education.

 

[rightwinger]

The point is there is no authority given the U.S. government to fund schools in the states. And since the DoE's 4000 employees are obviously doing absolutely nothing to improve the quality of education in the USA, the Dept. of Education absolutely should be defunded and closed.

Or. . .it could become a department within a department, have maybe 25 to 50 employees who would be tasked with compiling information and data re qualifications required by various universities, collect information on ratings of schools, distribute standardized tests like ACT/SAT etc. and otherwise be a central information agency that all the schools could use. It would have absolutely nothing to do with school policy, curriculum, or any other authority.

Your blanket dismissal that DoE serves no purpose makes it impossible to discuss rationally

 

[Polishprince]

Your blanket dismissal that DoE serves no purpose makes it impossible to discuss rationally

What's the purpose of all of those highly paid bureaucrats? Look at statistics and write reports about reports? Useless work at best,

 

[Foxfyre]

Your blanket dismissal that DoE serves no purpose makes it impossible to discuss rationally

Your assertion that I said DoE serves no purpose makes it impossible to take you seriously.

Do have a good evening.

 

[Foxfyre]

What's the purpose of all of those highly paid bureaucrats? Look at statistics and write reports about reports? Useless work at best,

As I posted, I can see a small, efficient, effective DoE doing things that would benefit all public, parochial and private schools as well as higher education. It would be very time consuming for each school and/or school board to individually develop information re entrance requirements, costs, specialties etc. for every university and college in the country or get data to know how an individual school is doing educating kids compared to other schools.

But a small efficient effective federal office could do that and make the information available to everybody. This could inform poor schools where they need to improve, let good schools know they're on the right track, etc. But such office would not be interfering or exercising any form of control over any of them.

And more importantly there would be no federal curriculum that could easily be manipulated into indoctrination, and we wouldn't have the federal government unconstitutionally pushing things like CRT or inappropriate sexually explicit material, etc.

 

[Borillar]

The agencies tasked with the job have been ineffective.

The new DOGE, headed by Elon and Vivek are doing a much more effective job at cleaning out the deadwood.

Just waiting for Elon, the richest guy in the world, to tell us seniors that our Social Security is too much, or veterans that their benefits are too much in the biggest "Let them eat cake" moment since Marie Antoinette.

 

[hadit]

They are saving us money

How are they doing that if they're not doing audits? We know that simple math errors are easily handled by computers. What exactly are they doing that is saving us money?

 

[rightwinger]

How are they doing that if they're not doing audits? We know that simple math errors are easily handled by computers. What exactly are they doing that is saving us money?

They catch mistakes and audit questionable returns.

With the ultra wealthy, it is not just cheating but having accountants and lawyers “interpreting” the tax code

 

[hadit]

They catch mistakes and audit questionable returns.

Most of which could be caught by computer systems looking at Joe Sixpack's returns.

With the ultra wealthy, it is not just cheating but having accountants and lawyers “interpreting” the tax code

And they should focus on the ultra-wealthy who utilize those accountants. Joe sixpack using TurboTax to fill out his form should basically be left alone because any money they snatch from him will hardly pay the salaries of the auditors. The IRS has plenty of staff to focus on the wealthy.