A Conservative Wakes Up

[midcan5]

For Discussion - Thought Experiment #1

A few may be familiar with my nutshells, in them I tried to isolate the characteristics of a particular ideology. This time you decide, but remember this is a thought experiment and the premise is not debatable. (Try to stay away from slogan answers.)

One day a conservative wakes up from a coma in a world unlike her past world. In this world equality trumps personal freedom. The political structure could be defined as a constitutional cooperative in which decisions are made democratically and an elected court settled issues that any average citizen or minority group could disagree on.

The overall philosophical Weltanschauung means no one is super rich and no one poor. The society varies but it excludes extremes. All receive a stipend, so all live securely. All fundamental services are free, these include transportation, education, and healthcare. Work is private, state, and federal but all work is supportive of the society and not just the person or corporation, above average profits are returned to the society. The business person, entrepreneur, artist, does enjoy prestige and a higher standard of living.

The conservatives finds this odd and uncharacteristic but soon grows accustom to the society, she receives a stipend, finishes her education, and finds work in a private industry.

One day the conservative discovers there is another nation in which personal freedom trumps equality. In this place extremes of all kinds exist and government and law exist to defend or to protect power. This nation is basically considered a libertarian capitalistic republic. In this society no stipend system exists and no service is free. While the nations are isolated from each other, each feels, and their media supports their political structure as the best political structure. Movement between nations is possible as both at a base level respect personal freedom.

What does the conservative do and why? Does she stay or leave for a nation that allows more economic freedoms, more profit, and is similar to her core ideological position up to her coma? Or does she change and stay, why?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0]YouTube - Dennis The Constitutional Peasant[/ame]

I knew the OP sounded familiar

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Common sense and Librulism are parallel tracks that never meet.

Common sense tells us that people are lined up to enter the USA, even illegally because of our personal freedom and opportunity and aren't in such a great rush to enter Cuba or North Korea, the two great bastions of equality and gubbamint stipends

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Also interesting that you have a woman waking up from a coma. Imagine what the Schiavos must think of that.

 

[Oddball]

What does the conservative do and why? Does she stay or leave for a nation that allows more economic freedoms, more profit, and is similar to her core ideological position up to her coma? Or does she change and stay, why?

A better question would be; why is it the sniveling socialist doesn't leave America and move to one of those socialist worker's paradises he gazes at so longingly, rather than try to impose that system upon everyone else by mob rule?

 

[concept]

Also interesting that you have a woman waking up from a coma. Imagine what the Schiavos must think of that.

ouch.

 

[rayboyusmc]

Common sense and Librulism are parallel tracks that never meet.

That is a remark that shows your partisan bigotry to a belief system. As long as there those like you and Pogo on the right who truly believe that god has given only conservatives the right answer, there will never be a common good or ground achieved.

Yours is isolation and the destruction of any philosophy that doesn't agree with you.

Yes, there are some liberals who think like you. They are also small minded bigots who wear blinders in their life.

The extremes like you are a small minority, but they are vocal and the media finds this more interesting than the day to day progress that common sense people achieve.

The Schiavo remark is meaningless but expected.

Dude, the majorit of the country voted for Obama. Ain't no socialism or communism coming soon my friend, just more smoke and mirrors for a side that has not traction with reality.

 

[The Rabbi]

For Discussion - Thought Experiment #1

A few may be familiar with my nutshells, in them I tried to isolate the characteristics of a particular ideology. This time you decide, but remember this is a thought experiment and the premise is not debatable. (Try to stay away from slogan answers.)

One day a conservative wakes up from a coma in a world unlike her past world. In this world equality trumps personal freedom. The political structure could be defined as a constitutional cooperative in which decisions are made democratically and an elected court settled issues that any average citizen or minority group could disagree on.

This fantasy was sold in the 1930's by the communist party. Fortunately people actually did wake up by the 1950s and see it for the propaganda it actually is.
More likely is the socialist who goes to sleep in 1918 and wakes up in 1950 to find that some animals are more equal than other animals,and opts to flee to the West. And that happened a lot more times than the OP fantasy.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

For Discussion - Thought Experiment #1

A few may be familiar with my nutshells, in them I tried to isolate the characteristics of a particular ideology. This time you decide, but remember this is a thought experiment and the premise is not debatable. (Try to stay away from slogan answers.)

One day a conservative wakes up from a coma in a world unlike her past world. In this world equality trumps personal freedom. The political structure could be defined as a constitutional cooperative in which decisions are made democratically and an elected court settled issues that any average citizen or minority group could disagree on.

This fantasy was sold in the 1930's by the communist party. Fortunately people actually did wake up by the 1950s and see it for the propaganda it actually is.
More likely is the socialist who goes to sleep in 1918 and wakes up in 1950 to find that some animals are more equal than other animals,and opts to flee to the West. And that happened a lot more times than the OP fantasy.

Well put!

Welcome and Happy New Year!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Common sense and Librulism are parallel tracks that never meet.

That is a remark that shows your partisan bigotry to a belief system. As long as there those like you and Pogo on the right who truly believe that god has given only conservatives the right answer, there will never be a common good or ground achieved.

Yours is isolation and the destruction of any philosophy that doesn't agree with you.

Yes, there are some liberals who think like you. They are also small minded bigots who wear blinders in their life.

The extremes like you are a small minority, but they are vocal and the media finds this more interesting than the day to day progress that common sense people achieve.

The Schiavo remark is meaningless but expected.

Dude, the majorit of the country voted for Obama. Ain't no socialism or communism coming soon my friend, just more smoke and mirrors for a side that has not traction with reality.

Like I said, if you had a lick of common sense you'd see that people are fleeing your Socialist Utopias in horror and would die for even a chance to come to what's left of the USA

 

[amrchaos]

What does the conservative do and why? Does she stay or leave for a nation that allows more economic freedoms, more profit, and is similar to her core ideological position up to her coma? Or does she change and stay, why?

A better question would be; why is it the sniveling socialist doesn't leave America and move to one of those socialist worker's paradises he gazes at so longingly, rather than try to impose that system upon everyone else by mob rule?

Canada is not so bad--just Cold!! Personally, I like the rising Brazil. Not a socialistic paradise, not a bastion of free market ideals. Lots of beautiful women!!

 

[Liability]

The pre-conditions set forth in the OP's "thought experiment" are too absurd to make the effort useful.

"Services are free."

Uhm huh. Free lunch. Who pays? How?

For this alleged utopian society, after these perfectly equal citizens are done paying taxes (or whatever Utopia calls its taxes), how much is left over? Anything? Can anything be left over? IF I have something left over, but CF has nothing left over, there goes the premise of absolute equality, too.

The system invisioned cannot work. Absolutely impossible.

 

[midcan5]

The pre-conditions set forth in the OP's "thought experiment" are too absurd to make the effort useful.

"Services are free."

Uhm huh. Free lunch. Who pays? How?

The system invisioned cannot work. Absolutely impossible.

Lord! Not one conservative was able to give a coherent answer, and they still wonder why they are politcal failures?

Liability, the answer is given in the TE and there are places today that are close to the premise.

Once more, this is a thought exercise, what does the woman do and why?

 

[The Rabbi]

Every answer was coherent. You just didnt want to hear them.
The answer is that it is a loaded question based on fantasy.
How about if we ask about the Army colonel who voted for Obama. Then he discovers while on tour in Hawaii that Obama really was born in Kenya, and therefore ineligible to be president.
He has sworn to uphold the constitution and now his CinC has been outed as ineligible. What does he do?

 

[JBeukema]

For Discussion - Thought Experiment #1

A few may be familiar with my nutshells, in them I tried to isolate the characteristics of a particular ideology. This time you decide, but remember this is a thought experiment and the premise is not debatable. (Try to stay away from slogan answers.)

One day a conservative wakes up from a coma in a world unlike her past world. In this world equality trumps personal freedom.

You mean like equality ending the freedom to refuse a seat to blacks on the bus or requiring negroes use a different drinking fountain?

The political structure could be defined as a constitutional cooperative in which decisions are made democratically and an elected court settled issues that any average citizen or minority group could disagree on.

As opposed to the old days of the King?

The overall philosophical Weltanschauung means no one is super rich and no one poor. The society varies but it excludes extremes.

So everyone can compete and the poor are less abused?

All receive a stipend, so all live securely.

Money comes from where?

All fundamental services are free, these include transportation, education, and healthcare.

There is no such thing as 'free'

Work is private, state, and federal but all work is supportive of the society and not just the person or corporation, above average profits are returned to the society.

Define the 'average'

She becomes a 'conservative' who seeks to protect her new status quo and wants to send the army to 'enlighten' the backwards neighbor

 

[Oddball]

The pre-conditions set forth in the OP's "thought experiment" are too absurd to make the effort useful.

"Services are free."

Uhm huh. Free lunch. Who pays? How?

The system invisioned cannot work. Absolutely impossible.

Lord! Not one conservative was able to give a coherent answer, and they still wonder why they are politcal failures?

Liability, the answer is given in the TE and there are places today that are close to the premise.

Once more, this is a thought exercise, what does the woman do and why?

No, it's not a thought exercise...It's a feeling exercise, set up around an entirely impossible mythical scenario.

Shall we play the one about the lady or the tiger next?

 

[Sinatra]

YouTube - Dennis The Constitutional Peasant

I knew the OP sounded familiar

The libs are getting thrashed in here!

 

[chanel]

This whole "thought experiment" reminds me of Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut. A society where everyone is "equal".. Anyone read it?

 

[The T]

The pre-conditions set forth in the OP's "thought experiment" are too absurd to make the effort useful.

"Services are free."

Uhm huh. Free lunch. Who pays? How?

The system invisioned cannot work. Absolutely impossible.

Lord! Not one conservative was able to give a coherent answer, and they still wonder why they are politcal failures?

Liability, the answer is given in the TE and there are places today that are close to the premise.

Once more, this is a thought exercise, what does the woman do and why?

No, it's not a thought exercise...It's a feeling exercise, set up around an entirely impossible mythical scenario.

Shall we play the one about the lady or the tiger next?

Exactly.

 

[midcan5]

Interesting the conservatives are totally stumped.

Do any of you even know what a thought experiment is? It is an intuition pump, a scenario or vignette that creates thought. Both nations I mention exist today in slightly moderated form. This has nothing to do with feelings, except that humans have feeling, so I guess all things are then feelings.

But the question holds and no one seems capbable of an answer - no guts or no thought? Does she stay or go. Please don't reply with more diversions, if you don't have the brains or balls to give an answer, go home.