A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support

[Dogmaphobe]

Thanks for proving his point.

Maybe if you had taken psych (or at least paid attention in class) you'd know how true Mac's post is. Of course if you had the slightest concept of self evaluation...........

The lack of self evaluation seems to be a collective endeavor, too.

It's funny how people who do the most hand wringing over Trump are so determined to engage in the very behavior that helped get him elected. When people who are not particularly intelligent dismiss an entire segment of the population as dumb rubes, they may derive a sense of self esteem through the illusion, but they only feed the very dynamic that they are whining about.

When extreme conformists attack those who display even the slightest degree of divergence from their lock step orthodoxy, all they accomplish is to send people into the other camp.

 

[Penelope]

A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support
Its a long article but worth reading. It paints quite a bleak picture of the modern world and the way that people can be manipulated. I recognise many of these traits in the people I know who support brexit which shows that it is not a specifically American issue.

This one chimes with me a lot because I worked with several of these people on a project a few years back. People who have had success in some things believe that they are experts in all fields. You cant reach them because they are bomb proof.

7. The Dunning-Kruger Effect: Humans Often Overestimate Their Political Expertise

Some who support Donald Trump are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand. When Trump tells them that crime is skyrocketing in the United States, or that the economy is the worst it’s ever been, they simply take his word for it.

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed, which creates a double burden.

Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” These people cannot be reached because they mistakenly believe they are the ones who should be reaching others.

Clever. Start a bait thread in the CDZ to annihilate people you don't agree with and use an article whose position is that Hillary should have won or that the Democratic Party is the right party.

Or you could engage in the topic

Sure, let's do that, Tommy. You have chosen to participate in the game of divide and conquer because you know that keeping people divided keeps powerful people powerful while the people fight over the scraps. Additionally, you have decided that it is inherently important that you get a pat on the head and feel really righteous about doing so. So, you utilize an opining psychologist that is searching for ways to understand the great phenomena and makes you and yours feel angelic.

The topic is about an article analysing Trumps supporters. It isnt about me.

It very much is about you, Tommy. You are aware that other psychologists and researchers on the opposite side keep endless crap going trying to say that liberals are mentally ill and blah, blah, blah. Divide and conquer is a strategy that has been used over and over again.

No its about USA conservatives, who love Trump no matter what.

I mean for him to say he can shoot someone in NY 5th ave and he wouldn't loose votes. Really, and a self declared "***** grabber" as well.

 

[Penelope]

Thanks for proving his point.

Maybe if you had taken psych (or at least paid attention in class) you'd know how true Mac's post is. Of course if you had the slightest concept of self evaluation...........

The lack of self evaluation seems to be a collective endeavor, too.

It's funny how people who do the most hand wringing over Trump are so determined to engage in the very behavior that helped get him elected. When people who are not particularly intelligent dismiss an entire segment of the population as dumb rubes, they may derive a sense of self esteem through the illusion, but they only feed the very dynamic that they are whining about.

When extreme conformists attack those who display even the slightest degree of divergence from their lock step orthodoxy, all they accomplish is to send people into the other camp.

Most men I know do not go around and grab *****. You know we just can't understand how you can worship Trump, as well as most of the GOP and Republicans had a huge problem with him as well. They were never Trumpers, now they overlook everything he does. They are getting what they want, guns, money, and a drop in social programs and business over the earth.

They needed a Daddy too.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Thanks for proving his point.

Maybe if you had taken psych (or at least paid attention in class) you'd know how true Mac's post is. Of course if you had the slightest concept of self evaluation...........

The lack of self evaluation seems to be a collective endeavor, too.

It's funny how people who do the most hand wringing over Trump are so determined to engage in the very behavior that helped get him elected. When people who are not particularly intelligent dismiss an entire segment of the population as dumb rubes, they may derive a sense of self esteem through the illusion, but they only feed the very dynamic that they are whining about.

When extreme conformists attack those who display even the slightest degree of divergence from their lock step orthodoxy, all they accomplish is to send people into the other camp.

Most men I know do not go around and grab *****. You know we just can't understand how you can worship Trump, as well as most of the GOP and Republicans had a huge problem with him as well. They were never Trumpers, now they overlook everything he does. They are getting what they want, guns, money, and a drop in social programs and business over the earth.

They needed a Daddy too.

Have you ever considered honesty?

I do not worship Trump. I did not even vote for Trump.

I am simply intelligent enough to recognize what contributed to his election and tired of authoritarian leftist hacks who haven't a scintilla of self awareness pointing fingers at others for that which they embody in spades

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Thanks for proving his point.

Maybe if you had taken psych (or at least paid attention in class) you'd know how true Mac's post is. Of course if you had the slightest concept of self evaluation...........

The lack of self evaluation seems to be a collective endeavor, too.

It's funny how people who do the most hand wringing over Trump are so determined to engage in the very behavior that helped get him elected. When people who are not particularly intelligent dismiss an entire segment of the population as dumb rubes, they may derive a sense of self esteem through the illusion, but they only feed the very dynamic that they are whining about.

When extreme conformists attack those who display even the slightest degree of divergence from their lock step orthodoxy, all they accomplish is to send people into the other camp.

Most men I know do not go around and grab *****. You know we just can't understand how you can worship Trump, as well as most of the GOP and Republicans had a huge problem with him as well. They were never Trumpers, now they overlook everything he does. They are getting what they want, guns, money, and a drop in social programs and business over the earth.

They needed a Daddy too.

The crooked media left out what trump was really saying when he told Billy bush on the bus. How women today can be grabbed because if you are a star you can do anything to women

Madonna and kamala Harris proves this disgusting stuff from women is true

Sleeping their way for greed

 

[Penelope]

Thanks for proving his point.

Maybe if you had taken psych (or at least paid attention in class) you'd know how true Mac's post is. Of course if you had the slightest concept of self evaluation...........

The lack of self evaluation seems to be a collective endeavor, too.

It's funny how people who do the most hand wringing over Trump are so determined to engage in the very behavior that helped get him elected. When people who are not particularly intelligent dismiss an entire segment of the population as dumb rubes, they may derive a sense of self esteem through the illusion, but they only feed the very dynamic that they are whining about.

When extreme conformists attack those who display even the slightest degree of divergence from their lock step orthodoxy, all they accomplish is to send people into the other camp.

Most men I know do not go around and grab *****. You know we just can't understand how you can worship Trump, as well as most of the GOP and Republicans had a huge problem with him as well. They were never Trumpers, now they overlook everything he does. They are getting what they want, guns, money, and a drop in social programs and business over the earth.

They needed a Daddy too.

The crooked media left out what trump was really saying when he told Billy bush on the bus. How women today can be grabbed because if you are a star you can do anything to women

Madonna and kamala Harris proves this disgusting stuff from women is true

Sleeping their way for greed

really, and what was left out?? I know I heard him say he grabs *****.

 

[Mac1958]

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed, which creates a double burden.

This applies to both ends of the political spectrum, of course. The question is whether the infected individual naturally lacks the capacity to see outside of their ideology, or whether this blindness is the product of conditioning over time. My guess is the latter.

The same intellectual myopia manifests when the ideology-infected individual is unaware that they are indeed infected. Those stricken with a hardcore partisan ideology simply, literally don't see how similar their behaviors are compared to those they so loathe.

The Pathology of Partisanship
Partisanship is a toxin and a potent mind-altering drug
THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COGNITIVE COMPLEXITY AND POLITICAL PARTISANSHIP
Tribal Psychology and Political Behavior - Econlib
The Sadness of Partisan Polarizing
The primeval tribalism of American politics
How Politics Breaks Our Brains, and How We Can Put Them Back Together - The Atlantic
.

The OP discusses "A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support" in general, and the role the Dunning-Kruger Effect plays in this in particular. The quoted article asserts that Trump is unique on the political landscape, and the explanation for his support has to account for that uniqueness. It sets out to demonstrate that there is a variety of confluent factors, ranging from the benign to the out-and-out vile, explaining the continuing support for Trump.

Mac quotes "Dunning-Kruger Effect", completely forgets about it, and then chooses to ride his shtick - finds "hardcore partisan ideology" on all sides, vigorously dragging the thread off topic.

That's post #6, and it's getting worse, and personal, thereafter.


The place is in need of a clean-up.

Yes, Mac is intelligent and fair minded. This certainly does get under the skin of extremely dogmatic individuals who are neither.

The Manichaean nature of this posting reveals the Dunning-Kruger effect every bit as much that it purports to address, as it is predicated upon the unquestioning allegiance to group think with a corresponding feeling of superiority for doing so.

I just toss the softballs up in the air, and they whack 'em over the fence for me, y'know?
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[Penelope]

Thanks for proving his point.

Maybe if you had taken psych (or at least paid attention in class) you'd know how true Mac's post is. Of course if you had the slightest concept of self evaluation...........

The lack of self evaluation seems to be a collective endeavor, too.

It's funny how people who do the most hand wringing over Trump are so determined to engage in the very behavior that helped get him elected. When people who are not particularly intelligent dismiss an entire segment of the population as dumb rubes, they may derive a sense of self esteem through the illusion, but they only feed the very dynamic that they are whining about.

When extreme conformists attack those who display even the slightest degree of divergence from their lock step orthodoxy, all they accomplish is to send people into the other camp.

Most men I know do not go around and grab *****. You know we just can't understand how you can worship Trump, as well as most of the GOP and Republicans had a huge problem with him as well. They were never Trumpers, now they overlook everything he does. They are getting what they want, guns, money, and a drop in social programs and business over the earth.

They needed a Daddy too.

Have you ever considered honesty?

I do not worship Trump. I did not even vote for Trump.

I am simply intelligent enough to recognize what contributed to his election and tired of authoritarian leftist hacks who haven't a scintilla of self awareness pointing fingers at others for that which they embody in spades

But you like him, right?? You like what he stands for right?

 

[Mac1958]

Is the Dunning-Kruger effect supposedly limited, or in any way more associated with ideologues?

I would say yes to your question since it is all about self-awareness. It's pretty much a flushed out version of the old maxim "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" where the less competent a person is, the more they overestimate their ability and the more competent a person is, the more they underestimate. Ideologues do not question their own ideology and are not aware individuals. The more extremely unaware derive comfort from reducing the complexity of the world right down to the binary level, which is reinforced by all the others doing the same. Any hint of original thought they ascribe to the other while clinging to their unquestioned belief system as gospel.

Certainly a lack of self-awareness is one of the symptoms of the affliction specifically, but it's interesting to wonder if it's not exclusive.

Could be.
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[Mac1958]

Thanks for proving his point.

Maybe if you had taken psych (or at least paid attention in class) you'd know how true Mac's post is. Of course if you had the slightest concept of self evaluation...........

The lack of self evaluation seems to be a collective endeavor, too.

It's funny how people who do the most hand wringing over Trump are so determined to engage in the very behavior that helped get him elected. When people who are not particularly intelligent dismiss an entire segment of the population as dumb rubes, they may derive a sense of self esteem through the illusion, but they only feed the very dynamic that they are whining about.

When extreme conformists attack those who display even the slightest degree of divergence from their lock step orthodoxy, all they accomplish is to send people into the other camp.

Certainly a key & significant symptom of the affliction.
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[GreenAndBlue]

Thanks for proving his point.

Maybe if you had taken psych (or at least paid attention in class) you'd know how true Mac's post is. Of course if you had the slightest concept of self evaluation...........

The lack of self evaluation seems to be a collective endeavor, too.

It's funny how people who do the most hand wringing over Trump are so determined to engage in the very behavior that helped get him elected. When people who are not particularly intelligent dismiss an entire segment of the population as dumb rubes, they may derive a sense of self esteem through the illusion, but they only feed the very dynamic that they are whining about.

When extreme conformists attack those who display even the slightest degree of divergence from their lock step orthodoxy, all they accomplish is to send people into the other camp.

Most men I know do not go around and grab *****. You know we just can't understand how you can worship Trump, as well as most of the GOP and Republicans had a huge problem with him as well. They were never Trumpers, now they overlook everything he does. They are getting what they want, guns, money, and a drop in social programs and business over the earth.

They needed a Daddy too.

The crooked media left out what trump was really saying when he told Billy bush on the bus. How women today can be grabbed because if you are a star you can do anything to women

Madonna and kamala Harris proves this disgusting stuff from women is true

Sleeping their way for greed

really, and what was left out?? I know I heard him say he grabs *****.

What was left out of trumps talk

Was how if you are a star you can do anything to women

His talk was showing his disgust with those type women and it seems he only did what women wanted him to do since he was a star

Crooked media covered up the main part of his talk to Billy bush

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Let's move on to point 2

2. The Brain’s AttentionSystem Is More Strongly Engaged by Trump

According to a study that monitored brain activity while participants watched 40 minutes of political ads and debate clips from the presidential candidates, Donald Trump is unique in his ability to keep the brain engaged. While Hillary Clinton could only hold attention for so long, Trump kept both attention and emotional arousal high throughout the viewing session. This pattern of activity was seen even when Trump made remarks that individuals didn’t necessarily agree with. His showmanship and simple language clearly resonate with some at a visceral level.

 

[gtopa1]

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed, which creates a double burden.

This applies to both ends of the political spectrum, of course. The question is whether the infected individual naturally lacks the capacity to see outside of their ideology, or whether this blindness is the product of conditioning over time. My guess is the latter.

The same intellectual myopia manifests when the ideology-infected individual is unaware that they are indeed infected. Those stricken with a hardcore partisan ideology simply, literally don't see how similar their behaviors are compared to those they so loathe.

The Pathology of Partisanship
Partisanship is a toxin and a potent mind-altering drug
THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COGNITIVE COMPLEXITY AND POLITICAL PARTISANSHIP
Tribal Psychology and Political Behavior - Econlib
The Sadness of Partisan Polarizing
The primeval tribalism of American politics
How Politics Breaks Our Brains, and How We Can Put Them Back Together - The Atlantic
.

There is the phenomena of the "self made man" who has done well at his business and has supreme faith in his abiility to replicate that elsewhere. We see it every day in foot ball clubs in the UK. The successful local businessman takes on a club full of confidence and then makes a complete hash of it. His confidence and self belief prevents him from admitting that he is screwing up. With media and social media we tend to seek out brands that reinforce our beliefs and this builds into a relationship.
When Fox tells you that there are no go zones in Birmingham why wouldnt you believe them because they are right on everything else ?

My nephew was in Birmingham and there were definitely no-go zones especially when the riots were on: he has the footage. And Wrexham would suck no matter WHO owned it!!



Greg

 

[Dogmaphobe]

But you like him, right?? You like what he stands for right?

I do not like him as a human being, no.

Some of his policies I support and some I do not.

 

[Penelope]

Thanks for proving his point.

Maybe if you had taken psych (or at least paid attention in class) you'd know how true Mac's post is. Of course if you had the slightest concept of self evaluation...........

The lack of self evaluation seems to be a collective endeavor, too.

It's funny how people who do the most hand wringing over Trump are so determined to engage in the very behavior that helped get him elected. When people who are not particularly intelligent dismiss an entire segment of the population as dumb rubes, they may derive a sense of self esteem through the illusion, but they only feed the very dynamic that they are whining about.

When extreme conformists attack those who display even the slightest degree of divergence from their lock step orthodoxy, all they accomplish is to send people into the other camp.

Most men I know do not go around and grab *****. You know we just can't understand how you can worship Trump, as well as most of the GOP and Republicans had a huge problem with him as well. They were never Trumpers, now they overlook everything he does. They are getting what they want, guns, money, and a drop in social programs and business over the earth.

They needed a Daddy too.

The crooked media left out what trump was really saying when he told Billy bush on the bus. How women today can be grabbed because if you are a star you can do anything to women

Madonna and kamala Harris proves this disgusting stuff from women is true

Sleeping their way for greed

really, and what was left out?? I know I heard him say he grabs *****.

What was left out of trumps talk

Was how if you are a star you can do anything to women

His talk was showing his disgust with those type women and it seems he only did what women wanted him to do since he was a star

Crooked media covered up the main part of his talk to Billy bush

Oh that is the way you see it then, he grabs their ***** and if they let him do it, DOES HE ASK THEM FIRST? and if they say "YES, I'd like that" he feels contempt for them after he grabs their *****? Really. Wonder why Billy Bush got fired for laughing.



That is why he bedded a playboy bunny and porn star after Melania gave birth to the baby.

 

[Oddball]

A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support
Its a long article but worth reading. It paints quite a bleak picture of the modern world and the way that people can be manipulated. I recognise many of these traits in the people I know who support brexit which shows that it is not a specifically American issue.

This one chimes with me a lot because I worked with several of these people on a project a few years back. People who have had success in some things believe that they are experts in all fields. You cant reach them because they are bomb proof.

7. The Dunning-Kruger Effect: Humans Often Overestimate Their Political Expertise

Some who support Donald Trump are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand. When Trump tells them that crime is skyrocketing in the United States, or that the economy is the worst it’s ever been, they simply take his word for it.

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed, which creates a double burden.

Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” These people cannot be reached because they mistakenly believe they are the ones who should be reaching others.

Classic case of needing to smear and besmirch those who have won the argument.

I wonder if you can dig up a Psychology Today study on Obama and Hillary supporters' cognitive bias, being chronically misinformed, and how the Dunning-Kruger effect applies to them.

I bet you can't.

 

[Penelope]

But you like him, right?? You like what he stands for right?

I do not like him as a human being, no.

Some of his policies I support and some I do not.

Such as, what policies? Abortion, he only says that because he is now conservative and he wants the vote, like Susan Collins, he probably wanted Maples to get an abortion.

 

[Dale Smith]

A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support
Its a long article but worth reading. It paints quite a bleak picture of the modern world and the way that people can be manipulated. I recognise many of these traits in the people I know who support brexit which shows that it is not a specifically American issue.

This one chimes with me a lot because I worked with several of these people on a project a few years back. People who have had success in some things believe that they are experts in all fields. You cant reach them because they are bomb proof.

7. The Dunning-Kruger Effect: Humans Often Overestimate Their Political Expertise

Some who support Donald Trump are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand. When Trump tells them that crime is skyrocketing in the United States, or that the economy is the worst it’s ever been, they simply take his word for it.

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed, which creates a double burden.

Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” These people cannot be reached because they mistakenly believe they are the ones who should be reaching others.

A "study" conducted by a biased source.

 

[GreenAndBlue]

The lack of self evaluation seems to be a collective endeavor, too.

It's funny how people who do the most hand wringing over Trump are so determined to engage in the very behavior that helped get him elected. When people who are not particularly intelligent dismiss an entire segment of the population as dumb rubes, they may derive a sense of self esteem through the illusion, but they only feed the very dynamic that they are whining about.

When extreme conformists attack those who display even the slightest degree of divergence from their lock step orthodoxy, all they accomplish is to send people into the other camp.

Most men I know do not go around and grab *****. You know we just can't understand how you can worship Trump, as well as most of the GOP and Republicans had a huge problem with him as well. They were never Trumpers, now they overlook everything he does. They are getting what they want, guns, money, and a drop in social programs and business over the earth.

They needed a Daddy too.

The crooked media left out what trump was really saying when he told Billy bush on the bus. How women today can be grabbed because if you are a star you can do anything to women

Madonna and kamala Harris proves this disgusting stuff from women is true

Sleeping their way for greed

really, and what was left out?? I know I heard him say he grabs *****.

What was left out of trumps talk

Was how if you are a star you can do anything to women

His talk was showing his disgust with those type women and it seems he only did what women wanted him to do since he was a star

Crooked media covered up the main part of his talk to Billy bush

Oh that is the way you see it then, he grabs their ***** and if they let him do it, DOES HE ASK THEM FIRST? and if they say "YES, I'd like that" he feels contempt for them after he grabs their *****? Really. Wonder why Billy Bush got fired for laughing.



That is why he bedded a playboy bunny and porn star after Melania gave birth to the baby.

Trump was upset with women for doing anything rock stars wanted and not real heroes their husbands and patriots

Trump got disgusted with American women and went to east Europe for his woman

He thought a Southern belle may be different. No she was simply a gold digger too

 

[Oddball]

A Complete Psychological Analysis of Trump's Support
Its a long article but worth reading. It paints quite a bleak picture of the modern world and the way that people can be manipulated. I recognise many of these traits in the people I know who support brexit which shows that it is not a specifically American issue.

This one chimes with me a lot because I worked with several of these people on a project a few years back. People who have had success in some things believe that they are experts in all fields. You cant reach them because they are bomb proof.

7. The Dunning-Kruger Effect: Humans Often Overestimate Their Political Expertise

Some who support Donald Trump are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand. When Trump tells them that crime is skyrocketing in the United States, or that the economy is the worst it’s ever been, they simply take his word for it.

The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed, which creates a double burden.

Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” These people cannot be reached because they mistakenly believe they are the ones who should be reaching others.

I wonder if you can remind us all of who said that it's more important to be morally right than factually correct?

Physician, heal thyself.