A challenge for the "Tax the rich more" crowd.

[citygator]

Ok stupid, go back to the drawing board and try to get your numbers right.

• Top 10% are underpaying and need to pay more taxes - they own about 40% of everything and are paying about 30% of taxes. They need to pay about 38% of total picking up 2% from bottom and 5% from the 50-90 range.

REALITY: THE TOP 10% PAY 72% OF THE TAXES,


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That's why I cant debate with you.. You are a dumbass.

The top 10% DOESNT include the top 1% when you break it out in buckets. Youre a ******* idiot.

1%= 42%
Top 10% which is 10% to1% = 30%
50-90% = 25%
Bottom 50% =2-3%

I broke it into distinct buckets.

This is your first response.. I cant wait to get the other stupid shit you say...

 

[Lockback]

Because the government is so efficient and disciplined with all the taxpayers money they already control.

Let's give them more!

Brilliant!

Precisely.
Good heavens ... these people never learn.

 

[citygator]

Prove it would add a measly $300B a year in taxes.

That sure was easy. It's actually much higher, i just hair cut it for tax dodging.

The House Tax Bill Upends the 2017 Corporate Tax Bargain

With their new Big Beautiful Bill, House Republicans have broken the 2017 corporate tax bargain: Broaden the base and lower the rate. By doing so, they risk increasing the deficit with little economic return.

taxpolicycenter.org

 

[citygator]

I never said anything about fair or unfair, dimwit. Taxes should be based on funding the very few things the Constitution allows the feds to do. It isn't some dumbass social engineering tool, or it isn't supposed to be. You clowns have bastardized it into a class warfare game.

What is your "fair share"? Define it with numbers.

Fill in the blanks.


How much? Give is some numbers:

The top 1% should pay _____% of the total income taxes.

The top 10% should pay _____% of the total income taxes.

The top 50 should pay _____% of the total income taxes.

I paid $340K in federal taxes last year. They are not done with mine this year. It would have gone to $370k without the Trump Big Beautiful Deficit Bill.


Ive already answered your stupid questions, you just arent bright enough to follow the simple discussion. If you dont start using your brain you will swallow your tongue.

 

[hadit]

All we hear from Democrats regarding the debt is TAX THE EVIL RICH MORE.

They never say what is "rich", and how much of the total tax bill the evil "rich" need to pay for their utopia.

Here is your chance to provide some specifics.


How much? Give is some numbers:

The top 1% should pay _____% of the total income taxes.

The top 10% should pay _____% of the total income taxes.

The top 50 should pay _____% of the total income taxes.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

I believe that is because the "tax the rich" crowd doesn't want to be pinned down. I believe their goal is always "MORE, MORE, MORE" and if they state 55% now, they want to be able to state 65% tomorrow.

 

[citygator]

1. What's fair. Everybody pays the same dollar amount. In my county, 20 years ago, any kid who wanted to pay rec sports, the fee was $65. Rich, poor--- didn't matter.

Your country likely sucks. That is a stupid way to do something where people have money. Your place clearly has no money.

2. What's less fair, but not as bad. Every person pays the same percentage in taxes. You pay 10%. I pay 10%. The super rich pays 10%.

That's stupid too. I paid $340k last year. Making me pay $370K vs someone making $45k go from paying virtually not taxes to paying $7k is the dumbest thing ever.

3. What's grossly unfair: The rich not only pays a higher dollar amount, but also a higher percentage. That's what we have now. We should never have allowed it.

Youre not rich which is why you dont understand you pay taxes on what you will lose if it all falls apart. I will lose a lot. Poor ass people dont get that concept. Zuckerberg is willing to pay taxes cuz he doesnt want a mob of unhappy Americans taking his shit. Same with me.

4. What's beyond unfair that the leftwing radicals want: In addition to the inflated percentage for the rich, an asset tax. Now said to be a "one-time" tax, but you know it wouldn't stay that way.

Let's go back to #1. Everybody pays the same income tax. We just do with much less government. That's fair. Achievers and job-creators should never be punished in any way.

You have nothing to say that is persuasive. You pay taxes based on what you will lose if it all falls apart.

 

[Nostra]

That's why I cant debate with you.. You are a dumbass.

The top 10% DOESNT include the top 1% when you break it out in buckets. Youre a ******* idiot.

What a complete moron. You really suck at math. Ok, lets roll with your lunacy....

You claim the top 10% doesn't include the top 1%.

Ok, let's separate them:

Top 1% pays 40% of the total income tax bill.

The top 10% pays 72%.

If they don't include the top 1% in the top 10%, between the two they pay 112% of the total tax bill.



Using your "math" all tax brackets pay 360% of the total tax bill. See how stupid you are now?

 

[Nostra]

That sure was easy. It's actually much higher, i just hair cut it for tax dodging.

The House Tax Bill Upends the 2017 Corporate Tax Bargain

With their new Big Beautiful Bill, House Republicans have broken the 2017 corporate tax bargain: Broaden the base and lower the rate. By doing so, they risk increasing the deficit with little economic return.

taxpolicycenter.org

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You claimed $300 billion per year. You brought an ESTIMATE of $13.6 billion per year.

Keep working, Simp. You aren't there yet.

 

[Nostra]

I paid $340K in federal taxes last year. They are not done with mine this year. It would have gone to $370k without the Trump Big Beautiful Deficit Bill.


Ive already answered your stupid questions, you just arent bright enough to follow the simple discussion. If you dont start using your brain you will swallow your tongue.

Tell us again how 100% of income tax payers pay 360% of taxes paid, Dumbass.

Show us your math.

 

[candycorn]

So everyone is taxed the same rate on income and investments.

No.You still have the same tax brackets but you pay the same tax on all income.

Meaning that I go to work, come home, and there is a dividend check in my mail box. I paid the same tax on my wages that I pay on my dividend. Whatever my tax rate is...I pay the same.

Bill gates goes to work and comes home and has a divided check in his mail box. He pays the same tax on his salary that he pays on his dividend income.

Withholding has zero to do with tax rates. You can have zero withheld from your taxes if you want.

Social security is deducted from my check at the same rate throughout the year. They stop deducting from some person’s checks after she or he reaches $135K or thereabouts. That needs to change.

 

[Nostra]

Social security is deducted from my check at the same rate throughout the year. They stop deducting from some person’s checks after she or he reaches $135K or thereabouts. That needs to change.

So? You control how much is withheld for income taxes, stupid. It has nothing to do with your total tax bill. Your tax bill will stay the same no matter how much you have withheld.

 

[Nostra]

Come on Dimwingers, all you have to do is fill in the blanks to get us to your tax utopia of the rich paying their fair share to eliminate our debt.

Who is up for it?



How much? Give is some numbers:

The top 1% should pay _____% of the total income taxes.

The top 10% should pay _____% of the total income taxes.

The top 50 should pay _____% of the total income taxes.

 

[kyzr]

Same as they do in rec sports. Same amount for everybody. Everyone should pay the same nominal amount in taxes. That would mean a much smaller government. Achievers should not be punished for achieving. Don't like it? Quit playing scratch-offs and go out and start a business. The template for getting rich is widely available. Do it.
Right now, the top 1% pays 40% of the taxes. The bottom 50% pays 3% of the taxes. How on earth is that fair?

If you can ask that question you wouldn't understand the answer.
Maybe you need to ponder what happens when the dollar crashes and the wealthy and the poor are neighbors? Who would be jumping out of windows?

You probably don't understand what it means that the top half owns $200T of wealth, and the bottom half owns nothing. You sound like a "Trust Fund Baby" who never worked a day in your life.
Born on 3rd base and think you hit a triple.

 

[Nostra]

If you can ask that question you wouldn't understand the answer.
Maybe you need to ponder what happens when the dollar crashes and the wealthy and the poor are neighbors? Who would be jumping out of windows?

You probably don't understand what it means that the top half owns $200T of wealth, and the bottom half owns nothing. You sound like a "Trust Fund Baby" who never worked a day in your life.
Born on 3rd base and think you hit a triple.

How much? Give is some numbers:

The top 1% should pay _____% of the total income taxes.

The top 10% should pay _____% of the total income taxes.

The top 50 should pay _____% of the total income taxes.

 

[Mashmont]

If you can ask that question you wouldn't understand the answer.
Maybe you need to ponder what happens when the dollar crashes and the wealthy and the poor are neighbors? Who would be jumping out of windows?

You probably don't understand what it means that the top half owns $200T of wealth, and the bottom half owns nothing. You sound like a "Trust Fund Baby" who never worked a day in your life.
Born on 3rd base and think you hit a triple.

I appreciate the non sequitur, but no, I built a business I started at age 30.

 

[Mashmont]

Your country likely sucks. That is a stupid way to do something where people have money. Your place clearly has no money.

County, not country.

That's stupid too. I paid $340k last year. Making me pay $370K vs someone making $45k go from paying virtually not taxes to paying $7k is the dumbest thing ever.

I have a really smart tax attorney who regards my tax submission as a first offer.

It would be less than $7000 per. Tariffs lessen the necessity for income taxes.

Youre not rich which is why you dont understand you pay taxes on what you will lose if it all falls apart. I will lose a lot. Poor ass people dont get that concept. Zuckerberg is willing to pay taxes cuz he doesnt want a mob of unhappy Americans taking his shit. Same with me.

I make more than you do.

You have nothing to say that is persuasive. You pay taxes based on what you will lose if it all falls apart.

No, just spend less. No more 0bamacare subsidies. No more 0bamacare. No more free healthcare if you are morbidly obese. No more SNAP for soft drinks. No more Dept. of Education. No more EPA. No more SSI. No more free school lunch for those who don't need it. And finally, no more $1 trillion spent on the climate change hoax.

 

[kyzr]

How much? Give is some numbers:

The top 10% should pay _____% of the total income taxes.

Since the top 10% owns about half the wealth they should pay about 50% of the total income/wealth tax

The top 50% should pay _____% of the total income taxes.

Since the top 50% owns about 90% of the wealth they should pay about 90% of the total income/wealth tax

 

[ThisIsMe]

Since the left is not responding, these are my numbers:

top tax rate 40%, up from 37%, all others stay the same

Plus, eliminate the "Capital Gains" tax loophole, income is income

Plus, add a new financial transaction tax of 2% whenever they are bought or sold

Plus, fix SS by removing the cap

Plus, stop "Corporate Welfare", aka "subsidies", i.e. giving $billions of taxpayer cash to corporations, buy stock instead and keep it in a Sovereign Fund until needed.

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Why should the wealthy pay more? Because they have all the wealth:

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Capital gains is only income once’s it’s realized. So, no tax on CG until you cash it out.

 

[kyzr]

I appreciate the non sequitur, but no, I built a business I started at age 30.

Good for you. You should be grateful that your business succeeded. Many people don't have the resources to start a business. Many people start a business only to see it fail. Many people get jobs and work their asses off every day for minimum wage.
My post was not a "non sequitur". The real answer is "fairness".
The people who own the wealth should pay taxes based on their wealth.
The people barely surviving should only pay minimum taxes.

 

[Nostra]

Since the top 10% owns about half the wealth they should pay about 50% of the total income/wealth tax

Since the top 50% owns about 90% of the wealth they should pay about 90% of the total income/wealth tax

So you want a tax cut for the rich.

Got it.

Top 10% already pay 72% of the total tax bill.

Top 50% already pay 97% of the total tax bill.