Zone1 A Brief Look at Blacks and Jews in America

[Lisa558]

Yep

The Jews aren’t complaining about the opportunities here. For the most part, we’ve done great. Certainly made use of the higher education system, that’s for sure.

 

[IM2]

Because if you allow us to actually compare conditions and history from the rest of the world, it totally destroys your narrative.

No it doesn't. All jt does is allow you to make excuses. Stay on topic.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Because if you allow us to actually compare conditions and history from the rest of the world, it totally destroys your narrative.

No that is not why. We live in the United States of America and we have no authority to do anything to try to change anything in any other country than our own. While you all are trying to score points on an internet message board, we're actually attempting to effect change.

On the other hand, if the only way you can make your point is by making reference to things that are irrelevant to the current topic of discussion, then perhaps you should rethink your perspective and argument.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

The Jews aren’t complaining about the opportunities here. For the most part, we’ve done great. Certainly made use of the higher education system, that’s for sure.

Why would you all have any complaints? You're white people who migrated (or fled, however you want to view it) to a white society, where by law, white people had rights, advantages and privileges that black people didn't.

And according to the article that IM2 linked, your people then fell right in line with the rest of the whites in America and began exploiting the disadvantaged black people in the communities you all alleged "served".

 

[The Irish Ram]

The number has quadrupled in the last 5 years. They want what you have because it is better than what they had...

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

That’s on the other side. He too arrived penniless. It took him years of pinching pennies, while he and his five children and wife lived in a three room tenement, to open the grocery store.And if you knew anything, you’d realize it was a little 10 x 10 store stocking some basics, and eking out a living. His 12-year-old son worked evenings after school to help out. THAT is called a work ethic.

You are just so determined to prove that persecuted people, with no education and money (and initially no English), can get by, and then a generation later, live successful middle class lives. Kills your entire “blame whites for any failure of any black” narrative.

So THIS great grandfather didn't adhere to your tenant of waiting until he could afford to do so to have children? He was penniless but had a wife and 5 children and used his 12 year old's earnings to make ends meet?

THAT is called a work ethic.​

Sounds more to me like a violation of our Child Labor Laws. Come to America and immediately snub your nose at our laws?

The federal child labor provisions, authorized by the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) of 1938, also known as the child labor laws, were enacted to ensure that when young people work, the work is safe and does not jeopardize their health, well-being or educational opportunities. These provisions also provide limited exemptions.​

 

[The Irish Ram]

No it doesn't. All jt does is allow you to make excuses. Stay on topic.

He is on topic. You can make comparisons to the topic that are relevant to the topic...

 

[Lisa558]

Why would you all have any complaints? You're white people who migrated (or fled, however you want to view it) to a white society, where by law, white people had rights, advantages and privileges that black people didn't.

And according to the article that IM2 linked, your people then fell right in line with the rest of the whites in America and began exploiting the disadvantaged black people in the communities you all alleged "served".

We didn’t fall right in line with the rest of the whites. The rest of the whites weren’t having their parents and siblings and cousins murdered for being Jewish.

And….now….it comes out: the reason you can’t credit Jews for rising above bigotry in ONE GENERATION to become successful. You’re resentful of Jews “exploiting” blacks.

New flash: stop being such an ingrate. Jews were willing to hire blacks when nobody else would. Jews fought side by side blacks, risking their lives during Civil Rights. Instead, you talk about us “exploiting” blacks and the OP posts some anti-Jew article by some guy who says the blacks resentment against Jews is justified.

And stop being jealous of the Jews! Don't resent them because they were able to buckle down, while their own families were being slaughtered by Hitler, and STILL move from poverty to the middle class.

People like you and IM2, with all your resentment, are making things worse for your people as you encourage them to feel entitled to payback from Whites. They are being given plenty of opportunity in this country, and teaching them how awful whitey is moving Blacks backward.

 

[Lisa558]

So THIS great grandfather didn't adhere to your tenant of waiting until he could afford to do so to have children? He was penniless but had a wife and 5 children and used his 12 year old's earnings to make ends meet?

He supported his children. There was no welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing, or Medicare. So yes, he supported them with his own meager wages.

Sounds more to me like a violation of our Child Labor Laws. Come to America and immediately snub your nose at our laws?

Nope. Legal back then. And they all entered this country LEGALLY. Not like the millions of illegals you defend,

You sure are angry that we Jews succeeded despite the prejudice we faced. Kills your “black victimhood” narrative.

 

[Lisa558]

It really is telling how desperate Newvine is to tear down Jewish families, who arrived here penniless, and subjected to unspeakable loss of their immediate families due to antisemitism, and still move from an inner-city tenement to a house in the suburbs in ONE generation.

 

[IM2]

The number has quadrupled in the last 5 years. They want what you have because it is better than what they had...

There are blacks and whites leaving America for Africa and other countries. Africans come here and find out that the racism here was worse than they expected. 99 percent of the Africans I have met say that and most Africans who come here are affluent, so they aren't all coming here because what's here is better. A lot of Africans come here to get advanced degrees and then go back home to work. You make me laugh when you try whitesplaining. I have met Africans from every nation on the continent during my life and here is a white person trying to tell me about Africans more than likely based mostly on reading articles.

 

[Lisa558]

Asians work hard. And they are a minority of color. Why do they do so well, and all those hard working blacks can't seem to catch a break? Asians aren't white, yet do very well here in white wonderland. How come?

I’ve been making the same point about the Jews, and look at the prejudice THEY suffered! But blacks get angry when you point out the success of Asians and Jews.

 

[IM2]

He is on topic. You can make comparisons to the topic that are relevant to the topic...

Stop thinking that you saying something is the authoritative truth. He was not on topic. This thread is not about black and Jewish world relations.

A Brief Look at Blacks and Jews in America​

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Asians work hard. And they are a minority of color. Why do they do so well, and all those hard working blacks can't seem to catch a break? Asians aren't white, yet do very well here in white wonderland. How come?

I have never seen so many color blind folks in one place. They may not be white but they as hell aren't BLACK, you know, people of African descent that were subjected to the following

"We'll take your money but you can't eat here"

Straight up, this is a white man's town & we intend to keep it that way

Needs no explanation

Okay they didn't like Mexicans either, they're still not black

 

[IM2]

So THIS great grandfather didn't adhere to your tenant of waiting until he could afford to do so to have children? He was penniless but had a wife and 5 children and used his 12 year old's earnings to make ends meet?


Sounds more to me like a violation of our Child Labor Laws. Come to America and immediately snub your nose at our laws?

Can white republicans quit trying to lecture the descendants of people who worked 12-15 hours per day 7 days a week without pay for 244 years and then for another 100 for far less than what whites made, and today earn 82 cents for every dollar a white person makes regardless of educational attainment, and if they each have degrees in high paying fields, about work ethic?

Because you racists really don't know what it is.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

He is on topic. You can make comparisons to the topic that are relevant to the topic...

The topic is the relationship between Black people and the Jewish people in America. If he wants to try to make your race seem less horrible by pointing out all of the other societies that also engaged in slavery and oppression then he can create his own thread and not try to hijack this one.

So no, you're wrong that he's on topic.

 

[IM2]

I have never seen so many color blind folks in one place. They may not be white but they as hell aren't BLACK, you know, people of African descent that were subjected to the following

"We'll take your money but you can't eat here"
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Straight up, this is a white man's town & we intend to keep it that way
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Needs no explanation
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Okay they didn't like Mexicans either, they're still not black
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The excuses never end from whites on the right.

 

[Coyote]

Black Americans' Reaction to the Persecution of European Jews​

by Bat-Ami Zucker​

"The exploitation which the Negro suffers from the whites," wrote M. Rosenblatt, who investigated antisemitism in Harlem in 1939 for the Anti- Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, "he therefore experiences from the hands of Jews." Rosenblatt concluded, "the present antagonism grows out of the fact that whenever the Negro comes in contact with white discrimination he can find a Jew to blame." A confidential report on antisemitism in Harlem, prepared for the NAACP, reached similar conclusions: "The root of the problem is economic ... people of different nationalities do not naturally hate one another." A report from a Black Chicago lawyer to Walter White supported such views. It said that anti-Jewish feelings among Blacks focused on "Jewish merchants . . . who are regarded . . . as some sort of exploiters and as purveyors of inferior goods at extremely high prices " The NAACP and its tireless secretary, Walter White, did their utmost to distinguish between antisemitism, which they strongly rejected as "bigotry," and what they regarded as "a legitimate and understandable feeling" of resentment against "Jewish merchants in Negro neighborhoods, who charged high prices for inferior goods.

(For those who will try whataboutism, there is this)

Relations between the two groups before World War II were mainly of three kinds: Jewish employers/Black employees, Jewish landlords/ Black tenants, and Jewish small businessmen/Black customers. In these encounters the Jew appeared to the Blacks as exploiter and abuser, whether this was fact or stereotype. "The belief is widespread in the negro community," wrote a Black scholar in 1942, "that a large share of the exploiting landlords are Jewish." Discrimination against Blacks in employment and exploitation of Black labor were common charges against Jewish employers in the 1930s and 1940s. The so-called "slave market" in the Bronx became the symbol of Jewish maltreatment of Blacks. Nevertheless, in spite of the fact that the Jewish landlord, employer, and merchant had become "part of the folklore of black anti-Semitism in the 1930's and 1940's," a promising phenomenon emerged. A large Black organization-the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) strongly opposed the persecution of Jews in Germany and the spread of antisemitism in the United States. In fact, apart from the Jews, organized American Blacks were the only group to act promptly against Hitler's "reversion to barbarism" and to offer "condemnation of the unspeakable terror ... being inflicted upon the Jewish people in Germany . . . ."

Economic exploitation rather than racial prejudice was the dominant theme of Black antisemitism.45 Yet at the same time the latter was given a forward thrust by German propaganda and the popular exploitation of the Jew as national scapegoat. In fact, when examining Black response to Jewish persecution in Europe, one should take into account first, that white American society was generally indifferent to Jewish fate during the 1930's,46 and second that Black- Jewish relations had reached a disturbingly low point. Thus American Blacks could easily fit into the general American atmosphere of indifferent passivity in the face of Jewish suffering. In other words, given both the Blacks' own misery and the increased anti-Jewish feeling in white society,47 Black antisernitism would have been the expected behavior. Yet they chose a different path. Motivated not so much by tragic events for Jews as by their own interests, Blacks reacted immediately both to the racist implications of Nazism48 and more intensely still to the meaning for Blacks of Hitler's persecution of the Jews.

Annual 3 Chapter 7

www.museumoftolerance.com

When white Americans were non-committal to what Hitler was doing to Jews, blacks stood with Jews even as some Jews were exploiting blacks to make money. Yet today we have Jews who sound like the racists who were excluding their entry into this country during WW2.

I question that Jews, as a group, were exploiting blacks any more than any other business at the time. There is a strong whiff of stereotype in their beliefs about Jews. Also, I think it’s worth noting that Jews were in the forefront of the Civil Rights movement.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

He supported his children. There was no welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing, or Medicare. So yes, he supported them with his own meager wages.

Nope. Legal back then. And they all entered this country LEGALLY. Not like the millions of illegals you defend,

You sure are angry that we Jews succeeded despite the prejudice we faced. Kills your “black victimhood” narrative.

He may have supported them but he didn't adhere to your edict of "no children until you can afford them" now did he?

And I don't get angry when dealing with people that have challenges in their lives but neither will I let them bullshit me and tell me things as truth that they cannot explain.

The other thing that you keep lying about is I never said that your ancestors did not achieve the things that you claim they did, I said it was not possible for them to do so without assistance. One of the posts that got deleted speculated that your great granddad was able to get a loan, that's a reasonable supposition but according to you that's not how it went.

So explain it to us, how did he do it without assistance? And allegedly having a good work ethic without a job to apply it to isn't real useful.

 

[Lisa558]

I question that Jews, as a group, were exploiting blacks any more than any other business at the time. There is a strong whiff of stereotype in their beliefs about Jews. Also, I think it’s worth noting that Jews were in the forefront of the Civil Rights movement.

OP started this thread to justify antisemitism among blacks, which is much more prevalent than among whites.

The fact of the matter is that Jews were willing to hire blacks when others would not, were willing to rent to them when others were not, and were willing to DIE for them, and did, marching alongside them during Civil Riguts.