A breakdown of who is really paying taxes

[JRK]

You're the one who said 2007 added only 163 billion to the DEBT, when it added 500 billion to the DEBT.

And Bush alone owns the deficits and debt through fiscal year 2009.

But at least you abandoned your "accumulation of previous debt" rationalization once it was shown how it hurts your precious GOP the most!!!

and that statement is true
The deficit for the year 2007 added 163 billion dollars
the rest came from debt compiled prior to 2007

2009 has part of the failed stimulus as well as 50% of tarp added to it that Obama used
GWB had nothing to do with the failed stimulus and his 1/2 of tarp we got back except AIG
Job loss also cost us 600 billion dollars in revenue
That mostly occurred after Obama took office

Look at the links dude
to be honest without the job loss and the failed stimulus we were not that bad of shape. The job loss hurt us the most that year with adding 400 billion to the budget GWB signed off on

Submitted to 110th Congress
Total revenue $2.7 trillion (requested)
$2.105 trillion (enacted)[1]
Total expenditures $3.107 trillion (requested)
$3.518 trillion (enacted)[1]
Deficit $407 billion (requested)
$1.413 trillion (enacted)[1]

Fine then all of Obama's deficit spending came from debt and commitments compiled prior to 2009!

All we heard from CON$ was that almost none of the stimulus was spent in 2009, and we got nothing back from the TARP money Bush spent because he put no restrictions on the money he literally gave to his bankster friends. It was Obama who put the restrictions that led to any of the TARP money being paid back.

STOP THE STIMULUS! - NYPOST.com

STOP THE STIMULUS!
90% HASN'T BEEN SPENT. LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY.
By CASEY B. MULLIGAN
Last Updated: 6:23 PM, August 12, 2009

You might want to look at this link, funny you said this
Bailout List: Banks, Auto Companies, and More | Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica
that takes care of who did what and still owes tarp comment

Now exactly when did the failed stimulus kick in?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...0rCSBQ&usg=AFQjCNFB1QMunlJI43pI-18qTvT9X1I5rg

President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.
UPDATE: Many Obama defenders in the comments are claiming that the numbers above do not include spending on Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush years. They most certainly do. While Bush did fund the wars through emergency supplementals (not the regular budget process), that spending did not simply vanish. It is included in the numbers above. Also, some Obama defenders are claiming the graphic above represents biased Heritage Foundation numbers. While we stand behind the numbers we put out 100%, the numbers, and the graphic itself, above are from the Washington Post. We originally left out the link to WaPo. It has now been added.

We know now that his budget added 5 trillion in before 2012 (Obama)

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The increase in wealth that the AAPL stock gained from the time you bought it has NOT been taxed, not now and not while it grew. It will only be taxed for the FIRST time when and if you sell it. You don't pay cap gains taxes on the dollars you bought the stock with, and you know it, so don't give me that crap that cap gains has already been taxed.

You don't pay cap gains taxes on the dollars you bought the stock with,

He paid income taxes on the income he saved to buy the stock.

and you know it, so don't give me that crap that cap gains has already been taxed.

The company he bought stock in also paid corporate taxes on their earnings that led to the increase in the stock price that you'll now whine is taxed at too low a rate.
Get your facts straight, for once.

And the wage earner paid taxes on the money they spent on the goods and services the company sold that created the earnings that led to the increase in stock price, etc., etc., etc. By your moronic "logic" every dollar has been double, triple, quadruple, etc., taxed from the time it was first printed!!!

Hell, wages are taxed not only when they are earned, but also when they are spent via sales taxes, so that's yet another tax that cap gains tycoons avoid, there is no sales tax on buying stock!!!!

Glad you've realized your mistake.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You're the one who said 2007 added only 163 billion to the DEBT, when it added 500 billion to the DEBT.

And Bush alone owns the deficits and debt through fiscal year 2009.

But at least you abandoned your "accumulation of previous debt" rationalization once it was shown how it hurts your precious GOP the most!!!

and that statement is true
The deficit for the year 2007 added 163 billion dollars
the rest came from debt compiled prior to 2007

2009 has part of the failed stimulus as well as 50% of tarp added to it that Obama used
GWB had nothing to do with the failed stimulus and his 1/2 of tarp we got back except AIG
Job loss also cost us 600 billion dollars in revenue
That mostly occurred after Obama took office

Look at the links dude
to be honest without the job loss and the failed stimulus we were not that bad of shape. The job loss hurt us the most that year with adding 400 billion to the budget GWB signed off on

Submitted to 110th Congress
Total revenue $2.7 trillion (requested)
$2.105 trillion (enacted)[1]
Total expenditures $3.107 trillion (requested)
$3.518 trillion (enacted)[1]
Deficit $407 billion (requested)
$1.413 trillion (enacted)[1]

Fine then all of Obama's deficit spending came from debt and commitments compiled prior to 2009!

All we heard from CON$ was that almost none of the stimulus was spent in 2009, and we got nothing back from the TARP money Bush spent because he put no restrictions on the money he literally gave to his bankster friends. It was Obama who put the restrictions that led to any of the TARP money being paid back.

STOP THE STIMULUS! - NYPOST.com

STOP THE STIMULUS!
90% HASN'T BEEN SPENT. LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY.
By CASEY B. MULLIGAN
Last Updated: 6:23 PM, August 12, 2009

and we got nothing back from the TARP money Bush spent because he put no restrictions on the money he literally gave to his bankster friends.

Literally gave? Got nothing back? Hitting the bottle a little early, aren't you?

 

[JRK]

Lets make this as simple as we can for the Libs who are having a hard time grasping this

The last GOP budget was 2007
we had a plan to spend 2.7 trillion
2008 added 200 billion, first Dem budget with past GOP plans included
2009 we had planned another 200 billion addition, we ended up with a 700 billion dollar addition in spending that set the new base line for spending. It is officially when GWB and the GOP ended any part of the yearly spending to present levels as the failed stimulus has been a part of the yearly budget since

Part of the deficit issue has been no job growth, a complete loss of tax revenue
note in the links above that we took in about 2.6 trillion in 2008
we took in 2 trillion in 2009

It very simple
you add 700 billion in spending and lose 700 billion in lost revenue, you have a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit

We must get back to 5% UE as we had from RR to the end of GWB term in addition to the budget of 2007 as our base-line

 

[JRK]

and that statement is true
The deficit for the year 2007 added 163 billion dollars
the rest came from debt compiled prior to 2007

2009 has part of the failed stimulus as well as 50% of tarp added to it that Obama used
GWB had nothing to do with the failed stimulus and his 1/2 of tarp we got back except AIG
Job loss also cost us 600 billion dollars in revenue
That mostly occurred after Obama took office

Look at the links dude
to be honest without the job loss and the failed stimulus we were not that bad of shape. The job loss hurt us the most that year with adding 400 billion to the budget GWB signed off on

Submitted to 110th Congress
Total revenue $2.7 trillion (requested)
$2.105 trillion (enacted)[1]
Total expenditures $3.107 trillion (requested)
$3.518 trillion (enacted)[1]
Deficit $407 billion (requested)
$1.413 trillion (enacted)[1]

Fine then all of Obama's deficit spending came from debt and commitments compiled prior to 2009!

All we heard from CON$ was that almost none of the stimulus was spent in 2009, and we got nothing back from the TARP money Bush spent because he put no restrictions on the money he literally gave to his bankster friends. It was Obama who put the restrictions that led to any of the TARP money being paid back.

STOP THE STIMULUS! - NYPOST.com

STOP THE STIMULUS!
90% HASN'T BEEN SPENT. LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY.
By CASEY B. MULLIGAN
Last Updated: 6:23 PM, August 12, 2009

and we got nothing back from the TARP money Bush spent because he put no restrictions on the money he literally gave to his bankster friends.

Literally gave? Got nothing back? Hitting the bottle a little early, aren't you?

I have no idea where these Libs get this stuff
Bailout List: Banks, Auto Companies, and More | Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica
there is the list of who got what
BHO ended up with 50% of it after asking GWB for it and congress voting to give it to him

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...0rDPBA&usg=AFQjCNFCHhVV6RGHgxyYbWBjkS6uG5Sbhg

 

[JRK]

There is allot of conversation of the profits off of capital gains never being taxed.
let me make this simple as I can

I make 1.25 million gross
I get taxed 250,000
I invest 1 million I have left and make 250,000 with it

That money has been taxed

I am back to even

Do you libs understand this now?

Your taxing wealth that has all ready been taxed

some how you could I guess get to a point in which after you got past that 250,000 you could tax it from then on, sure
My god people 15% is enough ok?

 

[Staidhup]

According to statistics compiled from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) by the Tax Foundation, those people making above $50,000 had an effective tax rate of 14.1 percent, and carried 93.3 percent of the total tax burden.

In contrast, Americans making less than $50,000 had an effective tax rate of 3.5 percent and their total share of the tax burden was just 6.7 percent.

Americans making more than $250,000 had an effective tax rate of 23.4 percent and their total share of the tax burden was 45.7 percent.

Out of the 143 million tax returns that were filed with the IRS in 2010, 58 million – or 41 percent – of those filers were non-payers.

In other words, only 85 million actually paid taxes.
Americans Making Over $50,000 a Year Paid 93.3 Percent of All Taxes in 2010 | CNSNews.com

Again, that is only the taxes on wage earners. Capital gains tycoons can make millions each year and pay nothing on that income. Their cap gains are like an unlimited IRA growing tax free with no early withdrawal penalty. When they do finally cash in their capital assets they get a lower tax rate, but they still are not satisfied. They want their puppets in the GOP to eliminate ALL taxes on cap gains, the greedy fucks!

No one is denying that the common wage earners pay nearly all the taxes, but it's not fair that the elitist Capital Gains Tycoons get a free ride.

Apparently a CPA you are not, so hold on slugger, you had better read the tax code before you make an absolute fool of yourself. Long and short term capital gains are subjected to a lower rate for one and not the other, this is why those like Mr. Buffett choose to run an investment company that benefits from reduced dividend and long term capital gains treatment under the current code and favor increasing taxes and expanding, via AMT, additional household to federal taxation. As for Puppets in the GOP, now come on, look who supported the tax code revision, who controlled both houses before you through stones, then ask yourself, who is it that wants so desperately to retain the social security cap, then take a gander as to what party always seems to be delinquent in paying their taxes.

 

[JRK]

According to statistics compiled from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) by the Tax Foundation, those people making above $50,000 had an effective tax rate of 14.1 percent, and carried 93.3 percent of the total tax burden.

In contrast, Americans making less than $50,000 had an effective tax rate of 3.5 percent and their total share of the tax burden was just 6.7 percent.

Americans making more than $250,000 had an effective tax rate of 23.4 percent and their total share of the tax burden was 45.7 percent.

Out of the 143 million tax returns that were filed with the IRS in 2010, 58 million – or 41 percent – of those filers were non-payers.

In other words, only 85 million actually paid taxes.
Americans Making Over $50,000 a Year Paid 93.3 Percent of All Taxes in 2010 | CNSNews.com

Again, that is only the taxes on wage earners. Capital gains tycoons can make millions each year and pay nothing on that income. Their cap gains are like an unlimited IRA growing tax free with no early withdrawal penalty. When they do finally cash in their capital assets they get a lower tax rate, but they still are not satisfied. They want their puppets in the GOP to eliminate ALL taxes on cap gains, the greedy fucks!

No one is denying that the common wage earners pay nearly all the taxes, but it's not fair that the elitist Capital Gains Tycoons get a free ride.

Apparently a CPA you are not, so hold on slugger, you had better read the tax code before you make an absolute fool of yourself. Long and short term capital gains are subjected to a lower rate for one and not the other, this is why those like Mr. Buffett choose to run an investment company that benefits from reduced dividend and long term capital gains treatment under the current code and favor increasing taxes and expanding, via AMT, additional household to federal taxation. As for Puppets in the GOP, now come on, look who supported the tax code revision, who controlled both houses before you through stones, then ask yourself, who is it that wants so desperately to retain the social security cap, then take a gander as to what party always seems to be delinquent in paying their taxes.

He is in court (buffet) fighting those very issues right now
It is so complicated, and it does this country no good to have the leadership making such a mis leading statement
We need to stop spending so much, not tax the very people who have been taxed all ready

I do not think people have an issue paying 15% on gains, even though most of the time that money has all ready been taxed

BHO should be talking about jobs, not the "rich" and how evil they are

 

[healthmyths]

Federal income taxes you mean, ya brainwashed ignoramus- take all taxes and fees going to ALL gov't, and the rich and corporations pay the LOWEST percentage. Brilliant Pubcrappe, great if you want a banana republic.

Dumb...fu...lk!

OBAMA IS STRICTLY comparing INCOME TAX BRACKETS for the Buffett Rule!
AND IT IS PHONY!

WHY don't you download this file directly from the IRS!
SOI Tax Stats - Individual Statistical Tables by Size of Adjusted Gross Income


BUT YOU can't cause you are a "dumb f...k!

IF YOU did you'd see that
1) 5,326,579 returns from $25K to $30k paid 11% of their ADJUSTED income in taxes!
2) 3,455,422 returns from$200k to $500k paid 24%

AND PLEASE that TOTALLY FALSE statement "well they pay payroll taxes"!
FALSE!!! THEY GET IT ALL BACK PLUS double! So where is it a TAX???

Check out this totally FALSE presentation by the WH.. and the FACTS that counter!

 

[JRK]

Federal income taxes you mean, ya brainwashed ignoramus- take all taxes and fees going to ALL gov't, and the rich and corporations pay the LOWEST percentage. Brilliant Pubcrappe, great if you want a banana republic.

Dumb...fu...lk!

OBAMA IS STRICTLY comparing INCOME TAX BRACKETS for the Buffett Rule!
AND IT IS PHONY!

WHY don't you download this file directly from the IRS!
SOI Tax Stats - Individual Statistical Tables by Size of Adjusted Gross Income


BUT YOU can't cause you are a "dumb f...k!

IF YOU did you'd see that
1) 5,326,579 returns from $25K to $30k paid 11% of their ADJUSTED income in taxes!
2) 3,455,422 returns from$200k to $500k paid 24%

AND PLEASE that TOTALLY FALSE statement "well they pay payroll taxes"!
FALSE!!! THEY GET IT ALL BACK PLUS double! So where is it a TAX???

Check out this totally FALSE presentation by the WH.. and the FACTS that counter!
View attachment 18487

I have no idea where these LIbs get this information
Another thing
Obama without saying is comparing Capital gains to income, (see the buffet tax hike, its all about capital gains)

If I make 1.24 million
I pay 240 million in taxes
I invest the million I have left
I make 100,000

I am paying 15% on monies I have all ready paid taxes on, which is what we are doing right now, they want it back to 30%
Obama and buffet are trying to compare that to income taxes

 

[edthecynic]

and that statement is true
The deficit for the year 2007 added 163 billion dollars
the rest came from debt compiled prior to 2007

2009 has part of the failed stimulus as well as 50% of tarp added to it that Obama used
GWB had nothing to do with the failed stimulus and his 1/2 of tarp we got back except AIG
Job loss also cost us 600 billion dollars in revenue
That mostly occurred after Obama took office

Look at the links dude
to be honest without the job loss and the failed stimulus we were not that bad of shape. The job loss hurt us the most that year with adding 400 billion to the budget GWB signed off on

Submitted to 110th Congress
Total revenue $2.7 trillion (requested)
$2.105 trillion (enacted)[1]
Total expenditures $3.107 trillion (requested)
$3.518 trillion (enacted)[1]
Deficit $407 billion (requested)
$1.413 trillion (enacted)[1]

Fine then all of Obama's deficit spending came from debt and commitments compiled prior to 2009!

All we heard from CON$ was that almost none of the stimulus was spent in 2009, and we got nothing back from the TARP money Bush spent because he put no restrictions on the money he literally gave to his bankster friends. It was Obama who put the restrictions that led to any of the TARP money being paid back.

STOP THE STIMULUS! - NYPOST.com

STOP THE STIMULUS!
90% HASN'T BEEN SPENT. LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY.
By CASEY B. MULLIGAN
Last Updated: 6:23 PM, August 12, 2009

You might want to look at this link, funny you said this
Bailout List: Banks, Auto Companies, and More | Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica
that takes care of who did what and still owes tarp comment

Now exactly when did the failed stimulus kick in?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...0rCSBQ&usg=AFQjCNFB1QMunlJI43pI-18qTvT9X1I5rg

President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.
UPDATE: Many Obama defenders in the comments are claiming that the numbers above do not include spending on Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush years. They most certainly do. While Bush did fund the wars through emergency supplementals (not the regular budget process), that spending did not simply vanish. It is included in the numbers above. Also, some Obama defenders are claiming the graphic above represents biased Heritage Foundation numbers. While we stand behind the numbers we put out 100%, the numbers, and the graphic itself, above are from the Washington Post. We originally left out the link to WaPo. It has now been added.

We know now that his budget added 5 trillion in before 2012 (Obama)

Again we see how professional liars lie. They never tell the whole truth.

First of all the crap about Obama sharing Bush's fiscal year 2009 debt is bullshit. CON$ don't want to include 2009 under Bush because there was no longer a SS surplus to hide Bush's borrowing! In 2009 the public debt, the debt that does not count the debt from borrowing from the government "trust" funds, and the national debt are essentially the same. The National debt rose from 09/30/2001 - $5,807,463,412,200.06 to 09/30/2009 - $11,909,829,003,511.75, thats $6.1 trillion dollars under Bush's 8 fiscal years, not the $2.5 billion deceivers pass off as Bush's total debt.

And then CON$ blame Obama for the interest on the 12 trillion GOP debt, that's nearly half a trillion a year in interest on the GOP debt, every year of Obama's budget. That half a trillion a year in interest belongs to the GOP and the GOP alone. So from the 12 trillion in debt when Obama's first fiscal year began to the 15 trillion we are in debt now, about half of that new debt is the interest on the debt run up by the three worst presidents in history, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. The rest of Obama's debt are from the policies started by Bush that carry over to Obama, 2 wars, Medicare part D, Tax cuts, etc.

 

[edthecynic]

There is allot of conversation of the profits off of capital gains never being taxed.
let me make this simple as I can

I make 1.25 million gross
I get taxed 250,000
I invest 1 million I have left and make 250,000 with it

That money has been taxed

I am back to even

Do you libs understand this now?

Your taxing wealth that has all ready been taxed

some how you could I guess get to a point in which after you got past that 250,000 you could tax it from then on, sure
My god people 15% is enough ok?

Only the million you bought the stock with has been taxed, and when you sold the stock that million was not taxed a second time. Only the 250k you made selling the stock is taxed for only the first time, and then only at a lower rate than someone who would earn that same 250k by the sweat of his brow.

 

[healthmyths]

HEY you dumb f...K...
WHAT happened to the $8 trillion in losses that are now being deducted by people at the rate of $266 billion a year since 2003 and obviously I'll have to educate you on why that is happening!
1) Dot com bust cost $5 trillion in market losses... guess dummy people are deducting that from their tax bills JUST as dumb Obama has been deducting for the last 4 years $100,000 a year in what is called NET Operating LOSSES LOOK IT UP!
2) A little event didn't do much except stop airlines for 3 days.. closed wall street 10 days, cost 500,000 jobs, 18,000 businesses oh and the side affect??? $33 billion a year is now like Obama is doing DEDUCTED from their tax payments!
3) OH and I guess the $1 trillion in losses suffered by 100,000s of people in property, insurance writeoffs.. lost jobs, lost lives... DUE To the worst hurricanes seasons!! in history!

$8 trillion being written off every year for 30 years at $266 billion a year
GONE from tax revenue that would have been PAID!
AND your God Obama in addition to writing off his $48,000 for his daughters TAX SHELTER...
writes off over $100,000 a year
AND this idiot complains about the taxing the wealthy???
See I would have NO problem with OBAMA if he WAS NOT such a hypocrite!
ALL he'd have to do to win millions of voters is to confess YES HE is a tax loophole taker BUT he repents and wants to donate up to 35% from his 20% tax payment!
IF he did that I"d shut the f..k up!
BUT HE WON"T cause he is one of those Eddie Haskell dick's that talk the talk BUT has NEVER EVER walked the WALK!!!

 

[edthecynic]

Federal income taxes you mean, ya brainwashed ignoramus- take all taxes and fees going to ALL gov't, and the rich and corporations pay the LOWEST percentage. Brilliant Pubcrappe, great if you want a banana republic.

Dumb...fu...lk!

OBAMA IS STRICTLY comparing INCOME TAX BRACKETS for the Buffett Rule!
AND IT IS PHONY!

WHY don't you download this file directly from the IRS!
SOI Tax Stats - Individual Statistical Tables by Size of Adjusted Gross Income


BUT YOU can't cause you are a "dumb f...k!

IF YOU did you'd see that
1) 5,326,579 returns from $25K to $30k paid 11% of their ADJUSTED income in taxes!
2) 3,455,422 returns from$200k to $500k paid 24%

AND PLEASE that TOTALLY FALSE statement "well they pay payroll taxes"!
FALSE!!! THEY GET IT ALL BACK PLUS double! So where is it a TAX???

Check out this totally FALSE presentation by the WH.. and the FACTS that counter!
View attachment 18487

I have no idea where these LIbs get this information
Another thing
Obama without saying is comparing Capital gains to income, (see the buffet tax hike, its all about capital gains)

If I make 1.24 million
I pay 240 million in taxes
I invest the million I have left
I make 100,000

I am paying 15% on monies I have all ready paid taxes on, which is what we are doing right now, they want it back to 30%
Obama and buffet are trying to compare that to income taxes

You have not paid any tax on the 100k you just made. Repeating a lie does not make it any less of a lie.

 

[JRK]

Fine then all of Obama's deficit spending came from debt and commitments compiled prior to 2009!

All we heard from CON$ was that almost none of the stimulus was spent in 2009, and we got nothing back from the TARP money Bush spent because he put no restrictions on the money he literally gave to his bankster friends. It was Obama who put the restrictions that led to any of the TARP money being paid back.

STOP THE STIMULUS! - NYPOST.com

STOP THE STIMULUS!
90% HASN'T BEEN SPENT. LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY.
By CASEY B. MULLIGAN
Last Updated: 6:23 PM, August 12, 2009

You might want to look at this link, funny you said this
Bailout List: Banks, Auto Companies, and More | Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica
that takes care of who did what and still owes tarp comment

Now exactly when did the failed stimulus kick in?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...0rCSBQ&usg=AFQjCNFB1QMunlJI43pI-18qTvT9X1I5rg

President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.
UPDATE: Many Obama defenders in the comments are claiming that the numbers above do not include spending on Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush years. They most certainly do. While Bush did fund the wars through emergency supplementals (not the regular budget process), that spending did not simply vanish. It is included in the numbers above. Also, some Obama defenders are claiming the graphic above represents biased Heritage Foundation numbers. While we stand behind the numbers we put out 100%, the numbers, and the graphic itself, above are from the Washington Post. We originally left out the link to WaPo. It has now been added.

We know now that his budget added 5 trillion in before 2012 (Obama)

Again we see how professional liars lie. They never tell the whole truth.

First of all the crap about Obama sharing Bush's fiscal year 2009 debt is bullshit. CON$ don't want to include 2009 under Bush because there was no longer a SS surplus to hide Bush's borrowing! In 2009 the public debt, the debt that does not count the debt from borrowing from the government "trust" funds, and the national debt are essentially the same. The National debt rose from 09/30/2001 - $5,807,463,412,200.06 to 09/30/2009 - $11,909,829,003,511.75, thats $6.1 trillion dollars under Bush's 8 fiscal years, not the $2.5 billion deceivers pass off as Bush's total debt.

And then CON$ blame Obama for the interest on the 12 trillion GOP debt, that's nearly half a trillion a year in interest on the GOP debt, every year of Obama's budget. That half a trillion a year in interest belongs to the GOP and the GOP alone. So from the 12 trillion in debt when Obama's first fiscal year began to the 15 trillion we are in debt now, about half of that new debt is the interest on the debt run up by the three worst presidents in history, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. The rest of Obama's debt are from the policies started by Bush that carry over to Obama, 2 wars, Medicare part D, Tax cuts, etc.

that graph is a Washington post graph
The 700 billion added from 08 to 09 has nothing to do with 1 war (we won Iraq, its over)
Medicare part B
And if it was tax cuts then in 2007 we would have not been within 163 billion of a balnced budget

Obama walked into a night-mare that GWB did nothing to cause
We lost 700 billion in revenue and have continued down that path with BHO failed policies
700 billion in additional spending
700 billion in lost revenue
1,4 trillion dollar deficit
Has nothing to do with the GOP

I have proved that with 4- or 5 different links from a number of different sources
here we go again
07 budget
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=..._NHrDA&usg=AFQjCNE29uEotmNcczk4G6klOWtNpgjlEA

09 budget
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...xs3tBA&usg=AFQjCNFwPJaLwpm4iayJJ5f4F_CqJ7gRKw

there is your 700 billion in additional spending
Lost jobs need no link
every-one is feeling that pain, (well most of us are)

 

[Intense]

You libs really need to do some DD

They need Diapers.

 

[JRK]

HEY you dumb f...K...
WHAT happened to the $8 trillion in losses that are now being deducted by people at the rate of $266 billion a year since 2003 and obviously I'll have to educate you on why that is happening!
1) Dot com bust cost $5 trillion in market losses... guess dummy people are deducting that from their tax bills JUST as dumb Obama has been deducting for the last 4 years $100,000 a year in what is called NET Operating LOSSES LOOK IT UP!
2) A little event didn't do much except stop airlines for 3 days.. closed wall street 10 days, cost 500,000 jobs, 18,000 businesses oh and the side affect??? $33 billion a year is now like Obama is doing DEDUCTED from their tax payments!
3) OH and I guess the $1 trillion in losses suffered by 100,000s of people in property, insurance writeoffs.. lost jobs, lost lives... DUE To the worst hurricanes seasons!! in history!

$8 trillion being written off every year for 30 years at $266 billion a year
GONE from tax revenue that would have been PAID!
AND your God Obama in addition to writing off his $48,000 for his daughters TAX SHELTER...
writes off over $100,000 a year
AND this idiot complains about the taxing the wealthy???
See I would have NO problem with OBAMA if he WAS NOT such a hypocrite!
ALL he'd have to do to win millions of voters is to confess YES HE is a tax loophole taker BUT he repents and wants to donate up to 35% from his 20% tax payment!
IF he did that I"d shut the f..k up!
BUT HE WON"T cause he is one of those Eddie Haskell dick's that talk the talk BUT has NEVER EVER walked the WALK!!!

no 9-11
GWB has balanced budgets through most of his presidency
Iraq is gone
266 billion a year went to 1.4 trillion a year

budget spending of 2.7-2.9 trillion went to 3.5 in a matter of weeks
5% UE is now, well we can use 8.2, bottom line is we are not recovering the 2.7 trillion in revenue we had in 07, its barley over 2 trillion

3.5 minus 2 = 1.5
its that simple

 

[edthecynic]

You might want to look at this link, funny you said this
Bailout List: Banks, Auto Companies, and More | Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica
that takes care of who did what and still owes tarp comment

Now exactly when did the failed stimulus kick in?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...0rCSBQ&usg=AFQjCNFB1QMunlJI43pI-18qTvT9X1I5rg

President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.
UPDATE: Many Obama defenders in the comments are claiming that the numbers above do not include spending on Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush years. They most certainly do. While Bush did fund the wars through emergency supplementals (not the regular budget process), that spending did not simply vanish. It is included in the numbers above. Also, some Obama defenders are claiming the graphic above represents biased Heritage Foundation numbers. While we stand behind the numbers we put out 100%, the numbers, and the graphic itself, above are from the Washington Post. We originally left out the link to WaPo. It has now been added.

We know now that his budget added 5 trillion in before 2012 (Obama)

Again we see how professional liars lie. They never tell the whole truth.

First of all the crap about Obama sharing Bush's fiscal year 2009 debt is bullshit. CON$ don't want to include 2009 under Bush because there was no longer a SS surplus to hide Bush's borrowing! In 2009 the public debt, the debt that does not count the debt from borrowing from the government "trust" funds, and the national debt are essentially the same. The National debt rose from 09/30/2001 - $5,807,463,412,200.06 to 09/30/2009 - $11,909,829,003,511.75, thats $6.1 trillion dollars under Bush's 8 fiscal years, not the $2.5 billion deceivers pass off as Bush's total debt.

And then CON$ blame Obama for the interest on the 12 trillion GOP debt, that's nearly half a trillion a year in interest on the GOP debt, every year of Obama's budget. That half a trillion a year in interest belongs to the GOP and the GOP alone. So from the 12 trillion in debt when Obama's first fiscal year began to the 15 trillion we are in debt now, about half of that new debt is the interest on the debt run up by the three worst presidents in history, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. The rest of Obama's debt are from the policies started by Bush that carry over to Obama, 2 wars, Medicare part D, Tax cuts, etc.

that graph is a Washington post graph
The 700 billion added from 08 to 09 has nothing to do with 1 war (we won Iraq, its over)
Medicare part B
And if it was tax cuts then in 2007 we would have not been within 163 billion of a balnced budget

Obama walked into a night-mare that GWB did nothing to cause
We lost 700 billion in revenue and have continued down that path with BHO failed policies
700 billion in additional spending
700 billion in lost revenue
1,4 trillion dollar deficit
Has nothing to do with the GOP

I have proved that with 4- or 5 different links from a number of different sources
here we go again
07 budget
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=..._NHrDA&usg=AFQjCNE29uEotmNcczk4G6klOWtNpgjlEA

09 budget
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...xs3tBA&usg=AFQjCNFwPJaLwpm4iayJJ5f4F_CqJ7gRKw

there is your 700 billion in additional spending
Lost jobs need no link
every-one is feeling that pain, (well most of us are)

Well, there you go again with your revisionist history. Bush's Iraq fiasco did not end in 2008 or even 2009, as you well know!!!! And the spending on the injured continues today and well into the future!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/w...for-iraq-military-handover-ceremony.html?_r=1

By THOM SHANKER, MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT and ROBERT F. WORTH
Published: December 15, 2011

BAGHDAD — Almost nine years after the first American tanks began massing on the Iraq border, the Pentagon declared an official end to its mission here, closing a troubled conflict that helped reshape American politics and left a bitter legacy of anti-American sentiment across the Muslim world.

 

[JRK]

Again we see how professional liars lie. They never tell the whole truth.

First of all the crap about Obama sharing Bush's fiscal year 2009 debt is bullshit. CON$ don't want to include 2009 under Bush because there was no longer a SS surplus to hide Bush's borrowing! In 2009 the public debt, the debt that does not count the debt from borrowing from the government "trust" funds, and the national debt are essentially the same. The National debt rose from 09/30/2001 - $5,807,463,412,200.06 to 09/30/2009 - $11,909,829,003,511.75, thats $6.1 trillion dollars under Bush's 8 fiscal years, not the $2.5 billion deceivers pass off as Bush's total debt.

And then CON$ blame Obama for the interest on the 12 trillion GOP debt, that's nearly half a trillion a year in interest on the GOP debt, every year of Obama's budget. That half a trillion a year in interest belongs to the GOP and the GOP alone. So from the 12 trillion in debt when Obama's first fiscal year began to the 15 trillion we are in debt now, about half of that new debt is the interest on the debt run up by the three worst presidents in history, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. The rest of Obama's debt are from the policies started by Bush that carry over to Obama, 2 wars, Medicare part D, Tax cuts, etc.

that graph is a Washington post graph
The 700 billion added from 08 to 09 has nothing to do with 1 war (we won Iraq, its over)
Medicare part B
And if it was tax cuts then in 2007 we would have not been within 163 billion of a balnced budget

Obama walked into a night-mare that GWB did nothing to cause
We lost 700 billion in revenue and have continued down that path with BHO failed policies
700 billion in additional spending
700 billion in lost revenue
1,4 trillion dollar deficit
Has nothing to do with the GOP

I have proved that with 4- or 5 different links from a number of different sources
here we go again
07 budget
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=..._NHrDA&usg=AFQjCNE29uEotmNcczk4G6klOWtNpgjlEA

09 budget
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...xs3tBA&usg=AFQjCNFwPJaLwpm4iayJJ5f4F_CqJ7gRKw

there is your 700 billion in additional spending
Lost jobs need no link
every-one is feeling that pain, (well most of us are)

Well, there you go again with your revisionist history. Bush's Iraq fiasco did not end in 2008 or even 2009, as you well know!!!! And the spending on the injured continues today and well into the future!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/w...for-iraq-military-handover-ceremony.html?_r=1

By THOM SHANKER, MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT and ROBERT F. WORTH
Published: December 15, 2011

BAGHDAD — Almost nine years after the first American tanks began massing on the Iraq border, the Pentagon declared an official end to its mission here, closing a troubled conflict that helped reshape American politics and left a bitter legacy of anti-American sentiment across the Muslim world.

The Iraq war was not an item we had a choice in, besides no-one has added up the monies we were giving the UN to babysit Iraq we do not spend any more
Let me add that 21 dems (senate) voted to use force in Iraq to enforce the UN resolutions he was ignoring

One last tid bit
the failed stimulus cost more
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...odmRBQ&usg=AFQjCNEGrsrIcEi3inkwB3_QseeMwBoyXA

Those wars was not an issue that we had a choice in, the people's will had spoken. Thats the way a republic govt works, you are in the minority

And before you go to the Bush lied path, Saddam was the only one who lied. The invasion was to enforce the resolutions that the UN had on Saddam and that he had ignored for years
after 9-11 he had no choice, he thought he did
dont recall claiming the war ended in 09 either, we did have a much more limited expense than we did in 2007 and it was over in 2011
If I made that claim, it was in error, I have no reason to lie about any of this

This is why I use links that are not opinions to support my claims

 

[francoHFW]

Sure. LOL PUB Dupes!!