A Analysis of Systemic Racism in the United States: From It's Inception to Current Day - Exhibit A

[BlackSand]

The problem is that you are repeating those mistakes and this consitent refusal to admit the problem is what made whites believe that blacks were happy being slaves, that blacks were happy with Jim Crow but agitators are telling blacks things. This is the same mentality we see here with the "white liberals are telling blacks they are victims" narrative people like you consistently repeat.

There is nothing in the opposition to systemic racism that is the same as past forms of racism and people today are being blamed for what YOU are doing right now. It's fine for you whites to run up behind an old racist talking that Make America Great Again shit, meaning you are fine with going back. to the past to credit the dead amd to use their ideas to solve percieved modern problems. Only until we bring up the truth of our experience do we get this excuse laden bs.

The past is evaluated all the time to improve conditions of the present. White racism has not ended, the impact of 245 years of continuing system predicated on white preference lives with us now and is a hurdle to national progress. The "I am not responsible" arttitude coming from whites like you who then start barking to us about taking responsibility is maddening. Practice wtf you preach, end the excuses.

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Refusing to agree with your newfound ignorance is not my mistake.
Your inability to overcome whatever obstacles you see before you, are your mistakes or incompetence, not mine.

I agree with Malcom X ... Only the black man can fix the black man's problems.
Whatever problem you may have with what you chose to define as Liberals, Conservatives, Democrats, Republicans, White People, Black People,
Men, Women or The Man In Moon ... Are not a product of my mistakes.

If you have a problem with my Attitude ... It's your fucking problem.
I am not asking you for anything, and don't require anything from you, including your agreement.


You can embrace, protect and tell me your experience until the cows come home.
But if you are waiting for me to agree with your bullshit ... It ain't happening.

If you need me to hold your precious little hand and walk through the shit you should have been doing a long time ago.
Too much effort, not worth it, and I am not your mama ...

.​

 

[BlackSand]

Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

[snipped]
From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
* * *
Continued here:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

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However anyone may feel about Systemic Racism ... My white, black and red ass doesn't need to repeat the mistakes my ancestors made ...
In fatal attempts to correct the problems they created.

It's also not my problem if race pimps are just a bit jelly my bloodstream is more diverse than theirs.

That diversity is what allowed my closest ancestors to understand that purpose in the present, and vision towards the future ...
Beats animosity in the past, and the need or desire to pretend blaming someone dead, will fix their problems ...
Every Fucking Time.

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The problem is that you are repeating those mistakes and this consitent refusal to admit the problem is what made whites believe that blacks were happy being slaves, that blacks were happy with Jim Crow but agitators are telling blacks things. This is the same mentality we see here with the "white liberals are telling blacks they are victims" narrative people like you consistently repeat.

There is nothing in the opposition to systemic racism that is the same as past forms of racism and people today are being blamed for what YOU are doing right now. It's fine for you whites to run up behind an old racist talking that Make America Great Again shit, meaning you are fine with going back. to the past to credit the dead amd to use their ideas to solve percieved modern problems. Only until we bring up the truth of our experience do we get this excuse laden bs.

The past is evaluated all the time to improve conditions of the present. White racism has not ended, the impact of 245 years of continuing system predicated on white preference lives with us now and is a hurdle to national progress. The "I am not responsible" arttitude coming from whites like you who then start barking to us about taking responsibility is maddening. Practice wtf you preach, end the excuses.

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That last little bit I posted could be distracting, so I'll say this separately.

You are being screwed, it's not all your fault, but only you can fix that.
As long as you deny the responsibility, keeping looking in the wrong places, keep blaming people without doing anything proactive or positive ...
It's never going to change for you ...

.​

 

[IM2]

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Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

[snipped]
From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
* * *
Continued here:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

Then let's do some defining...."Systemic racism"....Two words....Let's ask two easy questions...

First of all, is racism a choice made by people?

Systemic racism has a definition. And individual choices/decisions are made into law and policies that affect entire populations.

 

[IM2]

The problem is that you are repeating those mistakes and this consitent refusal to admit the problem is what made whites believe that blacks were happy being slaves, that blacks were happy with Jim Crow but agitators are telling blacks things. This is the same mentality we see here with the "white liberals are telling blacks they are victims" narrative people like you consistently repeat.

There is nothing in the opposition to systemic racism that is the same as past forms of racism and people today are being blamed for what YOU are doing right now. It's fine for you whites to run up behind an old racist talking that Make America Great Again shit, meaning you are fine with going back. to the past to credit the dead amd to use their ideas to solve percieved modern problems. Only until we bring up the truth of our experience do we get this excuse laden bs.

The past is evaluated all the time to improve conditions of the present. White racism has not ended, the impact of 245 years of continuing system predicated on white preference lives with us now and is a hurdle to national progress. The "I am not responsible" arttitude coming from whites like you who then start barking to us about taking responsibility is maddening. Practice wtf you preach, end the excuses.

.

Refusing to agree with your newfound ignorance is not my mistake.
Your inability to overcome whatever obstacles you see before you, are your mistakes or incompetence, not mine.

I agree with Malcom X ... Only the black man can fix the black man's problems.
Whatever problem you may have with what you chose to define as Liberals, Conservatives, Democrats, Republicans, White People, Black People,
Men, Women or The Man In Moon ... Are not a product of my mistakes.

If you have a problem with my Attitude ... It's your fucking problem.
I am not asking you for anything, and don't require anything from you, including your agreement.


You can embrace, protect and tell me your experience until the cows come home.
But if you are waiting for me to agree with your bullshit ... It ain't happening.

If you need me to hold your precious little hand and walk through the shit you should have been doing a long time ago.
Too much effort, not worth it, and I am not your mama ...

.​

The ignorance is yours. Your last comment shows just how willfully ignorant you truly are. You just choose to ignore the role of law and policy based on white preference. I am challenging that lie and demand that it change. Thats not asking your white ass to do anything but your part in ridding the racism in your community.

 

[BlackSand]

The ignorance is yours. Your last comment shows just how willfully ignorant you truly are. You just choose to ignore the role of law and policy based on white preference. I am challenging that lie and demand that it change. Thats not asking your white ass to do anything but your part in ridding the racism in your community.

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Sweetie ... At no point have I ignored the role of policy or law, or it's ability to foster Systemic Racism.
That's your problem ... You don't listen and are race-drunk, without a solution that will ever work.

You can stomp your feet like a petulant child and demand whatever you want ...
But it isn't going to change until you actually do what you have to.

If you have a problem with the way they assess taxes on the black community ... Go to the Tax Assessors office and file a complaint.
If that doesn't get things moving, go out in the community and get 500 more people to go to the Tax Assessor's office and file a complaint.
If that doesn't get things to work out like you want it ... Fire the elected officials that appoint the people in the Tax Accessor's Office.
If you cannot do that by yourself ... Go out in your community and gather the support you need.

If you want to make a positive and proactive change in your condition, and the condition of your community ... Get to work.
If you think pissing and whining about the injustices you have suffered ...
Is going to gather you the support you need to actually help fix your or your community's problems ...

You are just pissing in the wind, and bitching because you have piss all over you ...

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[toobfreak]

Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

[snipped]
From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
* * *
Continued here:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

Worthless. Without a cogent study of the history of racism in the world and other countries, focusing here means nothing because there is no context.

THE UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH: racism is a natural, common form of perception bias that all people have, to be biased FOR things which agree with their perceptual tastes and to NOT like or be biased against things which are not.

 

[Oddball]

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Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

[snipped]
From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
* * *
Continued here:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

Then let's do some defining...."Systemic racism"....Two words....Let's ask two easy questions...

First of all, is racism a choice made by people?

Systemic racism has a definition. And individual choices/decisions are made into law and policies that affect entire populations.

The law has no effect if people choose to ignore it....The national 55 mph speed limit is a choice example.

Rosa Parks ignored shit....You don't have 1/100th of her guts, Toby.

 

[IM2]

Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

[snipped]
From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
* * *
Continued here:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

Worthless. Without a cogent study of the history of racism in the world and other countries, focusing here means nothing because there is no context.

THE UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH: racism is a natural, common form of perception bias that all people have, to be biased FOR things which agree with their perceptual tastes and to NOT like or be biased against things which are not.

Another excuse. We are dealing with American law, not excuses. Racism is not natural. This is a proven fact. Only racists believe that.

 

[IM2]

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Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

[snipped]
From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
* * *
Continued here:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

Then let's do some defining...."Systemic racism"....Two words....Let's ask two easy questions...

First of all, is racism a choice made by people?

Systemic racism has a definition. And individual choices/decisions are made into law and policies that affect entire populations.

The law has no effect if people choose to ignore it....The national 55 mph speed limit is a choice example.

Rosa Parks ignored shit....You don't have 1/100th of her guts, Toby.

Yep and that's why white racism continues, because whites like you ignore the law.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

The ignorance is yours. Your last comment shows just how willfully ignorant you truly are. You just choose to ignore the role of law and policy based on white preference. I am challenging that lie and demand that it change. Thats not asking your white ass to do anything but your part in ridding the racism in your community.

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Sweetie ... At no point have I ignored the role of policy or law, or it's ability to foster Systemic Racism.
That's your problem ... You don't listen and are race-drunk, without a solution that will ever work.

You can stomp your feet like a petulant child and demand whatever you want ...
But it isn't going to change until you actually do what you have to.

If you have a problem with the way they assess taxes on the black community ... Go to the Tax Assessors office and file a complaint.
If that doesn't get things moving, go out in the community and get 500 more people to go to the Tax Assessor's office and file a complaint.
If that doesn't get things to work out like you want it ... Fire the elected officials that appoint the people in the Tax Accessor's Office.
If you cannot do that by yourself ... Go out in your community and gather the support you need.

If you want to make a positive and proactive change in your condition, and the condition of your community ... Get to work.
If you think pissing and whining about the injustices you have suffered ...
Is going to gather you the support you need to actually help fix your or your community's problems ...

You are just pissing in the wind, and bitching because you have piss all over you ...

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What makes you think that complaints have not been filed? Do you have any inkling of the type of retaliation that is often the result of opposing a system that does not work for you and in fact at times harms you?

Someone once made a point about Jackie Robinson being the first talented ballplayer to make it to the major leagues. That point was contested by someone who pointed out that it wasn't that he was the absolute best because there were others just as talented as he was. What was unique though is that he was the first black ballplayer that the whites allowed to participate.

The change is not ours to make except in certain minor ways. The change has to come from those who created the system, maintain and protect it. We see every single day on this message board, the constant denial that racism, systemic or otherwise still exists in the year 2021. These are the tactics racists have always used for cover, they deny it exists, some even deny it ever existed. How many people on this one thread alone have claimed that the state of Oregon passed the law requiring black people, free or enslaved, leave the state or be beaten until they left NOT BECAUSE of racism but because they were doing them a kindness by not enslaving them and wanting them to go away.

Hell the police regularly kill black people for reasons that are not legally allowable yet they get away with it time after time because the people who determines if their actions were justifiable are other cops. It took George Floyd being murdered on international T.V. and months of on going Black Lives Matter protests to light a fire under the asses of those individuals who routinely would excuse bad policing even when it resulted in the death of the citizens they should have been protecting.

It takes a lot of time to change the course of a ship, in this case the systemic racism that legally existed in the United States for 3/4's of it's existence is going to take the amount of time that is tantamount to slowing, turning and reversing course of an aircraft carrier.

Let's just hope that the changes continue but while that's occuring some of us will be fighting on.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

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Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

[snipped]
From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
* * *
Continued here:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

Then let's do some defining...."Systemic racism"....Two words....Let's ask two easy questions...

First of all, is racism a choice made by people?

Systemic racism has a definition. And individual choices/decisions are made into law and policies that affect entire populations.

The law has no effect if people choose to ignore it....The national 55 mph speed limit is a choice example.

Rosa Parks ignored shit....You don't have 1/100th of her guts, Toby.

Rosa Parks is another example of systemic racism. Whites expected black people to get up and give them their seat at the front of the bus, and this was the law. How in the hell is that not an indication of a white supremacist belief.

Besides, you've never heard of selective enforcement?

 

[BlackSand]

What makes you think that complaints have not been filed? Do you have any inkling of the type of retaliation that is often the result of opposing a system that does not work for you and in fact at times harms you?

Someone once made a point about Jackie Robinson being the first talented ballplayer to make it to the major leagues. That point was contested by someone who pointed out that it wasn't that he was the absolute best because there were others just as talented as he was. What was unique though is that he was the first black ballplayer that the whites allowed to participate.

The change is not ours to make except in certain minor ways. The change has to come from those who created the system, maintain and protect it. We see every single day on this message board, the constant denial that racism, systemic or otherwise still exists in the year 2021. These are the tactics racists have always used for cover, they deny it exists, some even deny it ever existed. How many people on this one thread alone have claimed that the state of Oregon passed the law requiring black people, free or enslaved, leave the state or be beaten until they left NOT BECAUSE of racism but because they were doing them a kindness by not enslaving them and wanting them to go away.

Hell the police regularly kill black people for reasons that are not legally allowable yet they get away with it time after time because the people who determines if their actions were justifiable are other cops. It took George Floyd being murdered on international T.V. and months of on going Black Lives Matter protests to light a fire under the asses of those individuals who routinely would excuse bad policing even when it resulted in the death of the citizens they should have been protecting.

It takes a lot of time to change the course of a ship, in this case the systemic racism that legally existed in the United States for 3/4's of it's existence is going to take the amount of time that is tantamount to slowing, turning and reversing course of an aircraft carrier.

Let's just hope that the changes continue but while that's occuring some of us will be fighting on.

.

I don't think that complaints haven't been filed ...

I specifically stated that if you (any race, gender, sexual orientation, or religion) haven't done what is necessary to gather the support within your community ...
And feel you are better served waiting on the people who are screwing you to change ...
And doing so trying to leverage national opinion instead of going next door, across the street, around the corner, three blocks over and all across town ...
Then you might as well be pissing in the wind.

You don't have to protest to tell the Mayor if he doesn't fix shit in the Tax Assessor's office, his ass is gone.
You just have to gather the support necessary to send his ass packing.

If you think you are going to gather the support you need pissing, whining and trying to make white people feel sorry for you ... It's just not as productive.
The problems is that so many people have bought the racial ticket to failure ... You are trying to sell a used car and calling it new.

I hear minority communities bitching and complaining about how white people don't come to them and listen to what they want.
Well guess what, they don't want what you want, and if you want something from them, you are going to have to go to them.
If all you can bring with you is a pitchfork, some spray paint and a bunch of racial hatred ... Then the white people can tell you to go fuck yourself.
It's not rocket science ... History isn't going to fix your future, and doing the same thing they did will only produce the same results.

If you want to drag your ass waiting for other people to get onboard with a piss poor idea ...
that requires you to move something as big as an aircraft carrier when you can get across the river with a row boat ...
Well don't be surprised when people don't support you.

It's all about where the rubber meets the road ... And if you have hatred in your pocket, I don't want what you are peddling ...

.​

 

[freyasman]

Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

[snipped]
From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
* * *
Continued here:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

.

However anyone may feel about Systemic Racism ... My white, black and red ass doesn't need to repeat the mistakes my ancestors made ...
In fatal attempts to correct the problems they created.

It's also not my problem if race pimps are just a bit jelly my bloodstream is more diverse than theirs.

That diversity is what allowed my closest ancestors to understand that purpose in the present, and vision towards the future ...
Beats animosity in the past, and the need or desire to pretend blaming someone dead, will fix their problems ...
Every Fucking Time.

.​

The problem is that you are repeating those mistakes and this consitent refusal to admit the problem is what made whites believe that blacks were happy being slaves, that blacks were happy with Jim Crow but agitators are telling blacks things. This is the same mentality we see here with the "white liberals are telling blacks they are victims" narrative people like you consistently repeat.

There is nothing in the opposition to systemic racism that is the same as past forms of racism and people today are being blamed for what YOU are doing right now. It's fine for you whites to run up behind an old racist talking that Make America Great Again shit, meaning you are fine with going back. to the past to credit the dead amd to use their ideas to solve percieved modern problems. Only until we bring up the truth of our experience do we get this excuse laden bs.

The past is evaluated all the time to improve conditions of the present. White racism has not ended, the impact of 245 years of continuing system predicated on white preference lives with us now and is a hurdle to national progress. The "I am not responsible" arttitude coming from whites like you who then start barking to us about taking responsibility is maddening. Practice wtf you preach, end the excuses.

Go fuck yourself, you racist piece of shit.

 

[Oddball]

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Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

[snipped]
From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
* * *
Continued here:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

Then let's do some defining...."Systemic racism"....Two words....Let's ask two easy questions...

First of all, is racism a choice made by people?

Systemic racism has a definition. And individual choices/decisions are made into law and policies that affect entire populations.

The law has no effect if people choose to ignore it....The national 55 mph speed limit is a choice example.

Rosa Parks ignored shit....You don't have 1/100th of her guts, Toby.

Rosa Parks is another example of systemic racism. Whites expected black people to get up and give them their seat at the front of the bus, and this was the law. How in the hell is that not an indication of a white supremacist belief.

Besides, you've never heard of selective enforcement?

Rosa Parks ignored "the system", proving its impotence in the face of human action.

How did "the system" keep down CJ Walker, Oprah, Tiger Woods, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Clarence Thomas, and many many more successful blacks?

Your narrative of victimhood is a strawman argument and a 100% fraud.

 

[Concerned American]

Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

[snipped]
From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
* * *
Continued here:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

Nothing in those laws says blacks are inferior. It was just understood they were never considered citizens. They were encouraged to leave as free men and go to another nation, an African nation.

Looks to me the point is that they were not welcome to be part of that community.

Not welcome does not mean inferior. There are plenty of people of my own race, who I would be happy to see "whipped twice a year" until they decided to leave America.

It is not because I consider them inferior based on race, we share race.

The OP is known for being disingenuous with her posts. She generously outlines racism to systemically illustrate the fiction that she promotes. When confronted with the obvious, her fall-back is "how has racism affected you?" regardless of the subject of the OP. She is a troll who only knows endless loops.

 

[Concerned American]

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Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

[snipped]
From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
* * *
Continued here:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

Then let's do some defining...."Systemic racism"....Two words....Let's ask two easy questions...

First of all, is racism a choice made by people?

Systemic racism has a definition. And individual choices/decisions are made into law and policies that affect entire populations.

The law has no effect if people choose to ignore it....The national 55 mph speed limit is a choice example.

Rosa Parks ignored shit....You don't have 1/100th of her guts, Toby.

Rosa Parks is another example of systemic racism. Whites expected black people to get up and give them their seat at the front of the bus, and this was the law. How in the hell is that not an indication of a white supremacist belief.

Besides, you've never heard of selective enforcement?

Rosa Parks ignored "the system", proving its impotence in the face of human action.

How did "the system" keep down CJ Walker, Oprah, Tiger Woods, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Clarence Thomas, and many many more successful blacks?

Your narrative of victimhood is a strawman argument and a 100% fraud.

Thurgood Marshall.

 

[Ben Thomson]

Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

[snipped]
From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
* * *
Continued here:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

On a side-note..Texas is tired about talking about racism, in fact, will no longer allow schools to mention it...Texas GOP Passes Bill To Stop Teachers From Talking About Racism

 

[Correll]

Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

[snipped]
From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
* * *
Continued here:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

On a side-note..Texas is tired about talking about racism, in fact, will no longer allow schools to mention it...Texas GOP Passes Bill To Stop Teachers From Talking About Racism

Makes sense. Too many libtard teachers to be trusted.

 

[Ben Thomson]

Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

[snipped]
From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
* * *
Continued here:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

On a side-note..Texas is tired about talking about racism, in fact, will no longer allow schools to mention it...Texas GOP Passes Bill To Stop Teachers From Talking About Racism

Makes sense. Too many libtard teachers to be trusted.

Yup, don't want some liberal teacher saying there was ever any racism in Texas.

 

[Correll]

Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

[snipped]
From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
* * *
Continued here:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

On a side-note..Texas is tired about talking about racism, in fact, will no longer allow schools to mention it...Texas GOP Passes Bill To Stop Teachers From Talking About Racism

Makes sense. Too many libtard teachers to be trusted.

Yup, don't want some liberal teacher saying there was ever any racism in Texas.

That you know you have to lie about what they would say, is you admitting that liberal teachers can't be trusted to teach.


Really, they should ALL BE FIRED.