A Analysis of Systemic Racism in the United States: From It's Inception to Current Day - Exhibit A

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Another excuse. We are dealing with American law, not excuses. Racism is not natural. This is a proven fact. Only racists believe that.

Racism/Tribalism has always been the norm. This is why countries are generally ethnostates......Nigerians look Nigerian, Chinese look Chinese, Indians look Indian etc. In the Americas there was about 1,000 different tribes.

Sorry to have to step in here, unlock and waste my time reading anything out of the mouth of IM2, but as always, he is 180° full of bullshit.

Racism is as natural as apple pie. Look around and ask yourself every aspect of your life, where you live, who you marry, your friends: all chosen and directed by your own likes, dislikes and preferences.

• It's natural for people to associate with others who share similar interests in location to live, type of home, looks attractive, shares similar interests in types of food, movies, places to go, hobbies, etc.
• Likewise it is only natural to choose people you like who basically look like you.

Buzzards dont hang out with Aardvarks. Lions don't hang out with alligators. Chimpanzees don't hang out with barracuda. When you put it that way, it sounds silly and obvious, but what they call racism now, a form of discrimination, is a SURVIVAL INSTINCT given us by nature.

Racism now a bad word, discrimination now a bad word, what discrimination really is is nature's mechanism to tell food from something that will eat YOU! To dis-crim-in-ate, to TELL THE DIFFERENCE.

Everybody chooses people they LIKE as friends, and friends and spouses based on COMMON TRAITS, QUALITIES, and INTERESTS.

Government can TRY to force people to live together, but the natural proclivity of people from different parts of the world, all brought together in unnatural timelines by technology, is to like and live with others with similar interests, similar histories, similar needs and similar appearances.

That's nature, not racism. It's not racism to see real differences that are there between people, it becomes racism only when you take those differences, and decide to act on them negatively to deliberately act to hurt, harm or hold back another person simply because of their race.

And public events show that blacks are far more disposed now to hold it AGAINST someone, simply for the color of their skin.

You know, like IM2, Paul Essen, FrancoHWL, superbadbrotha, billyboom, and MarcATL do here every day.

If it's natural why do we have laws prohibiting it, here in the United States?

No one says you can't be a raging racist asshole all day long and twice on Sunday, it's what you DO because of that racism that causes the problems and in typical fashion, you all revert to the whiny ass stance of playing the victim, like someone is trying to do something to you or harm you in some way by holding you accountable for whatever racist acts you may commit.

If you don't understand that I don't know what to tell you.

 

[IM2]

Another excuse. We are dealing with American law, not excuses. Racism is not natural. This is a proven fact. Only racists believe that.

Racism/Tribalism has always been the norm. This is why countries are generally ethnostates......Nigerians look Nigerian, Chinese look Chinese, Indians look Indian etc. In the Americas there was about 1,000 different tribes.

Sorry to have to step in here, unlock and waste my time reading anything out of the mouth of IM2, but as always, he is 180° full of bullshit.

Racism is as natural as apple pie. Look around and ask yourself every aspect of your life, where you live, who you marry, your friends: all chosen and directed by your own likes, dislikes and preferences.

• It's natural for people to associate with others who share similar interests in location to live, type of home, looks attractive, shares similar interests in types of food, movies, places to go, hobbies, etc.
• Likewise it is only natural to choose people you like who basically look like you.

Buzzards dont hang out with Aardvarks. Lions don't hang out with alligators. Chimpanzees don't hang out with barracuda. When you put it that way, it sounds silly and obvious, but what they call racism now, a form of discrimination, is a SURVIVAL INSTINCT given us by nature.

Racism now a bad word, discrimination now a bad word, what discrimination really is is nature's mechanism to tell food from something that will eat YOU! To dis-crim-in-ate, to TELL THE DIFFERENCE.

Everybody chooses people they LIKE as friends, and friends and spouses based on COMMON TRAITS, QUALITIES, and INTERESTS.

Government can TRY to force people to live together, but the natural proclivity of people from different parts of the world, all brought together in unnatural timelines by technology, is to like and live with others with similar interests, similar histories, similar needs and similar appearances.

That's nature, not racism. It's not racism to see real differences that are there between people, it becomes racism only when you take those differences, and decide to act on them negatively to deliberately act to hurt, harm or hold back another person simply because of their race.

And public events show that blacks are far more disposed now to hold it AGAINST someone, simply for the color of their skin.

You know, like IM2, Paul Essen, FrancoHWL, superbadbrotha, billyboom, and MarcATL do here every day.

Wrong. This crap is completely incorrect. Racism is a learned behavior. Only white supremacists peddle this nonse you post.

 

[BlackSand]

Show me then. Show me when I have asked any white person here on this board or elsewhere, particularly you, to do anything for me. Show me where the only thing I have "in my pocket is hatred", I can wait because I know you'll not be able to produce anything however I'm not so arrogant as to believe that my words may have been misinterpreted, so prove me wrong.

You all keep making the same mistakes even when it's pointed out to you where your errors are. You are taking your biased opinions of black people and attempting to apply it me as well as the other African Americans who post here. You're not the only one though, most of the white racist here erroneously assume that BECAUSE I'm black I have a series of self-inflicted failures which have held me back in life or kept me from prospering.

None of you have any real clue of what I'm doing, so logically you can't then conclude that I'm "doing the same thing they did" whoever the hell "they" are and "therefore will only produce the same results".

The fact that none of you seem capable of conversing in a civil manner is more telling than you might imagine. I have ethical and professional constraints on how I can interact with others, even the most vile racists, but setting that aside, it would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic that you believe I am trying to garner sympathy, pity or God forbid, "approval" from white racists.

We're all entitled to our opinions and I usually refrain from telling people that they're wrong because that's not place to do so, but since you made this specifically about me, then I will.

You're wrong about just everything single assertion you made in your last comment.

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I didn't make any assertion about what you personally feel, and only towards what you posted.
The word "if" is a qualifier ... When combined in the phrase "If you" it means 'should it apply to you".
Any connection you want to apply to your personal condition, is a product of your desires, not mine.

You are the one that said people had the right to protest their grievances, and I never suggested they couldn't, or shouldn't.
You are the one that gave examples of what our ancestors (they) have done in the past ... I identified them as mistakes we shouldn't repeat.
I didn't even say you had to get the approval of white people, unless of course you wanted their help with anything.

What I posted to you was open ended, and allowed you the opportunities to make choices.
I am not trying to pigeon hole you, restrict your options, and make you do anything.

But Seriously ... If You ... Just want to be offended, and pursue a less than productive course of action ... Go Pound Sand ...

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[IM2]

The problem is that the mistakes have not stopped being made. This delusion must end and reality needs to be faced.

 

[BlackSand]

The problem is that the mistakes have not stopped being made. This delusion must end and reality needs to be faced.

I agree, but you still cannot correct a mistake by making the same mistake again ... That would be delusional.

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[Godboy]

Is the blacks hatred of Asians and Jews systemic?

Blacks don't hate Asians and Jews. Furthermore blacks have not created a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring blacks at the expense of Asians and Jews.

Why do you racists ask these stupid ass questions?

If blacks dont hate asians and jews, why do they keep trying to kill them?

Maybe if you guys would spend your lives not just looking for things blacks do to talk your racist shit about, you'd find that it's whites like you doing most of it.

No, virtually all racial violence is perpetrated by black people.

I remember the first conversation I had with you. You were claiming that it was only black people that rioted and "burn down neighborhood" or something to that affect. I posted information regarding the Tulsa Race Riots in which a white mob of 3,000 torched the most affluent black community in the U.S. They looted the banks and store, burned down the only black hospital and the white hospital in the surrounding area wouldn't initially accept or help any black victims.

Your response was that it happened in another century, yet within the last few weeks we find that there are at least 3 survivors of that massacre yet you all with all the nastiness and evilness you can muster double down on the white rage and hatred that was demonstrated during that two day period.

Black people have been forgiving white racists for all of the heinous acts that have been inflicted upon us as a people for centuries - the lynchings, the church bombings, the cross burnings, false accusations, rape, murders, thefts and everything in between. Yet you all are incapable of having let alone demonstrating even the tiniest bit of compassion at all for what was done.

Where is the superiority in that?

Black people havent forgiven shit. Youre whining about it right now, as if any one alive today is to blame for it. The truth is, black people do FAR more raping and murdering today than anyone else, so spare me your lecture.

Also, the "Tulsa riot" is so far overblown that it is now a conspiracy theory. Those false claims about planes attacking have been debunked, and no "mass graves" have been found. Also, im certain i said that republicans dont riot. If there was a riot in Tulsa, then democrats are the ones to blame for it.

 

[Concerned American]

most of the white racist here erroneously assume that BECAUSE I'm black I have a series of self-inflicted failures which have held me back in life or kept me from prospering.

So, how then have you been harmed? What about the legal standings to complain that you are so fond of referencing. All I see in your posts is nothing but racist hatred. Many black posters on here like to paint the entire country as racist--you are one. Until you quit reliving the terrible events of the past, you will have no future. YOU are in control of your future. YOU have lived a better life than most Americans from the past--based largely on the actions of those same predecessors. No one or no thing is perfect, past or present. Quit dwelling on the imperfections of the past and be thankful to God for the wonderful life we have been blessed with. Let your racist hatred go.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Exhibit A: The State of Oregon - Portland

I generally believe that when people want to discuss a topic, then all participants should be clear and in agreement on how the subject of the discussion is defined.

There are a lot of people who bristle at the term racism when used by black people, and many seem to particularly dislike the term "systemic racism" so I'll begin by defining each term as they are commonly used, I will do the same.

Systemic:
relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
[Note: The United States is made up of 50 individual states each having the freedom to pass their own laws and do things as is seem fit for the residents of that particular state. What's good for the people of California may not necessarily be feasible for the people South Dakota, therefore the use of the term "systemic" in this discuss refers to the United States as a whole affecting all 50 states]

Racism:
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

System racism in the United States then refers to a system where due to the "the belief" in the superiority of whites and the alleged inferiority of blacks caused the creation of a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring whites at the expense of blacks and other non-whites. These laws, et al were not restricted to only some of the states such as the southern states which fought a civil war in order to continue the institution of chattel slavery, they were enacted in every single state of the U.S. therefore the racist antagonism, animosity, hostility, and hatred towards black people by those members of society subscribing to this white supremacist mind set was endemic to the entire United States, thereby making it "systemic".

Fact:
A fact is an occurrence in the real world. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability—that is whether it can be demonstrated to correspond to experience.

Proof/Prove:
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

If a person has only heard something or heard about something but never seen or experienced it with their own eyes, then maybe they could be excused for having a limited perspective of certain topics. However when the evidence is put in front of their eyes and they still deny it's existence it kind of stumps me. My nature is to keep trying different ways of explaining the same thing in order to get my point across and I oftentimes do with I'm training someone but it truly is my opinion that the scientific method should be able to prove this if for no other reason that they don't have to guess at what people thought and believed at various points throughout our country's history. There were plenty of people who were more than happy to write down for prosperity their beliefs and motivations for the things they did thereby providing us with an accounting to simply read

The following article is very well written and in-depth in my opinion, however it's long and I'm only going to post excerpts:

The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America​

It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.

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From its very beginning, Oregon was an inhospitable place for black people. In 1844, the provisional government of the territory passed a law banning slavery, and at the same time required any African American in Oregon to leave the territory. Any black person remaining would be flogged publicly every six months until he left. Five years later, another law was passed that forbade free African Americans from entering into Oregon, according to the Communities of Color report.

In 1857, Oregon adopted a state constitution that banned black people from coming to the state, residing in the state, or holding property in the state. During this time, any white male settler could receive 650 acres of land and another 650 if he was married. This, of course, was land taken from native people who had been living here for centuries.

This early history proves, to Imarisha, that “the founding idea of the state was as a racist white utopia. The idea was to come to Oregon territory and build the perfect white society you dreamed of.” (Matt Novak detailed Oregon’s heritage as a white utopia in this 2015 Gizmodo essay.)

With the passage of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments, Oregon’s laws preventing black people from living in the state and owning property were superseded by national law. But Oregon itself didn’t ratify the Fourteenth Amendment—the Equal Protection Clause—until 1973. (Or, more exactly, the state ratified the amendment in 1866, rescinded its ratification in 1868, and then finally ratified it for good in 1973.) It didn’t ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, which gave black people the right to vote, until 1959, making it one of only six states that refused to ratify that amendment when it passed.

This history resulted in a very white state. Technically, after 1868, black people could come to Oregon. But the black-exclusion laws had sent a very clear message nationwide, says Darrell Millner, a professor of black studies at Portland State University. “What those exclusion laws did was broadcast very broadly and loudly was that Oregon wasn’t a place where blacks would be welcome or comfortable,” he told me. By 1890, there were slightly more than 1,000 black people in the whole state of Oregon. By 1920, there were about 2,000.

The rise of the Ku Klux Klan made Oregon even more inhospitable for black people. The state had the highest per-capita Klan membership in the country, according to Imarisha. The democrat Walter M. Pierce was elected to the governorship of the state in 1922 with the vocal support of the Klan, and photos in the local paper show the Portland chief of police, sheriff, district attorney, U.S. attorney, and mayor posing with Klansmen, accompanied by an article saying the men were taking advice from the Klan. Some of the laws passed during that time included literacy tests for anyone who wanted to vote in the state and compulsory public school for Oregonians, a measure targeted at Catholics.

It wasn’t until World War II that a sizable black population moved to Oregon, lured by jobs in the shipyards, Millner said. The black population grew from 2,000 to 20,000 during the war, and the majority of the new residents lived in a place called Vanport, a city of houses nestled between Portland and Vancouver, Washington, constructed for the new residents. Yet after the war, blacks were encouraged to leave Oregon, Millner said, with the Portland mayor commenting in a newspaper article that black people were not welcome. The Housing Authority of Portland mulled dismantling Vanport, and jobs for black people disappeared as white soldiers returned from war and displaced the men and women who had found jobs in the shipyards.

Dismantling Vanport proved unnecessary. In May 1948, the Columbia River flooded, wiping out Vanport in a single day. Residents had been assured that the dikes protecting the housing were safe, and some lost everything in the flood. At least 15 residents died, though some locals formulated a theory that the housing authority had quietly disposed of hundreds more bodies to cover up its slow response. The 18,500 residents of Vanport—6,300 of whom were black—had to find somewhere else to live.
Men wade through the Vanport flood in 1948 (AP photo)

For black residents, the only choice, if they wanted to stay in Portland, was a neighborhood called Albina that had emerged as a popular place to live for the black porters who worked in nearby Union Station. It was the only place black people were allowed to buy homes after, in 1919, the Realty Board of Portland had approved a Code of Ethics forbidding realtors and bankers from selling or giving loans to minorities for properties located in white neighborhoods.

As black people moved into Albina, whites moved out; by the end of the 1950s, there were 23,000 fewer white residents and 7,000 more black residents than there had been at the beginning of the decade.

The neighborhood of Albina began to be the center of black life in Portland. But for outsiders, it was something else: a blighted slum in need of repair.
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Continued here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/racist-history-portland/492035/

Proof:
1843 Champoeg territorial government adopted a measure “prohibiting slavery” that required slave holders to free their slaves with the added requirement that all Blacks must leave the territory within three years.

1844 Acts to prohibit slavery and to exclude Blacks and Mulattoes from Oregon were passed. The infamous “Lash Law,” required that Blacks in Oregon – “be they free or slave – be whipped twice a year until he or she shall quit the territory.” It was soon deemed too harsh and its provisions for punishment were reduced to forced labor.

By these definations of racism, IF you aren't a racist---YOU are an idiot. Like with different breeds of dogs, TRAITS between the breeds is scientifically evident.

 

[BlackSand]

By these definations of racism, IF you aren't a racist---YOU are an idiot. Like with different breeds of dogs, TRAITS between the breeds is scientifically evident.

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Okay you guys ... Who let Margaret Sanger in the house.

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[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Show me then. Show me when I have asked any white person here on this board or elsewhere, particularly you, to do anything for me. Show me where the only thing I have "in my pocket is hatred", I can wait because I know you'll not be able to produce anything however I'm not so arrogant as to believe that my words may have been misinterpreted, so prove me wrong.

You all keep making the same mistakes even when it's pointed out to you where your errors are. You are taking your biased opinions of black people and attempting to apply it me as well as the other African Americans who post here. You're not the only one though, most of the white racist here erroneously assume that BECAUSE I'm black I have a series of self-inflicted failures which have held me back in life or kept me from prospering.

None of you have any real clue of what I'm doing, so logically you can't then conclude that I'm "doing the same thing they did" whoever the hell "they" are and "therefore will only produce the same results".

The fact that none of you seem capable of conversing in a civil manner is more telling than you might imagine. I have ethical and professional constraints on how I can interact with others, even the most vile racists, but setting that aside, it would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic that you believe I am trying to garner sympathy, pity or God forbid, "approval" from white racists.

We're all entitled to our opinions and I usually refrain from telling people that they're wrong because that's not place to do so, but since you made this specifically about me, then I will.

You're wrong about just everything single assertion you made in your last comment.

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I didn't make any assertion about what you personally feel, and only towards what you posted.
The word "if" is a qualifier ... When combined in the phrase "If you" it means 'should it apply to you".
Any connection you want to apply to your personal condition, is a product of your desires, not mine.

You are the one that said people had the right to protest their grievances, and I never suggested they couldn't, or shouldn't.
You are the one that gave examples of what our ancestors (they) have done in the past ... I identified them as mistakes we shouldn't repeat.
I didn't even say you had to get the approval of white people, unless of course you wanted their help with anything.

What I posted to you was open ended, and allowed you the opportunities to make choices.
I am not trying to pigeon hole you, restrict your options, and make you do anything.

But Seriously ... If You ... Just want to be offended, and pursue a less than productive course of action ... Go Pound Sand ...

.​

You're not fooling anyone, let alone me and anyone can go back read exactly what was posted. You were high and mighty and attempting to dictate to black people what we should be doing ("if you haven't filed a grievance")

Is the blacks hatred of Asians and Jews systemic?

Blacks don't hate Asians and Jews. Furthermore blacks have not created a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring blacks at the expense of Asians and Jews.

Why do you racists ask these stupid ass questions?

If blacks dont hate asians and jews, why do they keep trying to kill them?

Maybe if you guys would spend your lives not just looking for things blacks do to talk your racist shit about, you'd find that it's whites like you doing most of it.

No, virtually all racial violence is perpetrated by black people.

I remember the first conversation I had with you. You were claiming that it was only black people that rioted and "burn down neighborhood" or something to that affect. I posted information regarding the Tulsa Race Riots in which a white mob of 3,000 torched the most affluent black community in the U.S. They looted the banks and store, burned down the only black hospital and the white hospital in the surrounding area wouldn't initially accept or help any black victims.

Your response was that it happened in another century, yet within the last few weeks we find that there are at least 3 survivors of that massacre yet you all with all the nastiness and evilness you can muster double down on the white rage and hatred that was demonstrated during that two day period.

Black people have been forgiving white racists for all of the heinous acts that have been inflicted upon us as a people for centuries - the lynchings, the church bombings, the cross burnings, false accusations, rape, murders, thefts and everything in between. Yet you all are incapable of having let alone demonstrating even the tiniest bit of compassion at all for what was done.

Where is the superiority in that?

Black people havent forgiven shit. Youre whining about it right now, as if any one alive today is to blame for it. The truth is, black people do FAR more raping and murdering today than anyone else, so spare me your lecture.

Also, the "Tulsa riot" is so far overblown that it is now a conspiracy theory. Those false claims about planes attacking have been debunked, and no "mass graves" have been found. Also, im certain i said that republicans dont riot. If there was a riot in Tulsa, then democrats are the ones to blame for it.

Careful, you're ignorance is showing. Conspiracy theory?

Ancestry.com, lots of interesting items on that site

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

most of the white racist here erroneously assume that BECAUSE I'm black I have a series of self-inflicted failures which have held me back in life or kept me from prospering.

So, how then have you been harmed? What about the legal standings to complain that you are so fond of referencing. All I see in your posts is nothing but racist hatred. Many black posters on here like to paint the entire country as racist--you are one. Until you quit reliving the terrible events of the past, you will have no future. YOU are in control of your future. YOU have lived a better life than most Americans from the past--based largely on the actions of those same predecessors. No one or no thing is perfect, past or present. Quit dwelling on the imperfections of the past and be thankful to God for the wonderful life we have been blessed with. Let your racist hatred go.

I don't deal in hatred, but the fact that you perceive the things that I say and have posted as hatred means you have no where else to go with this. And just for the record, I may not do this 100% of the time but I'm fairly consistent in making the distinction between white racists and white people in my comments. I am aware of the difference as are most if not all of the black posters on this board.

It has been stated repeatedly, that when white racists attack black people, whether physically, or financially or by lying on them and getting them fired, or causing a series of events that have a devastating impact on their life - that is racial hatred.

When black people then in turn complain, organization and strategize on ways to counter the racial hatred that we often find ourselves on the receiving end of, that's not racism. Even if there is animus against certain people or entities for harms they have caused to us individually or consistently to black people in general, that is still not racism or hatred. Instead it's targeted action in response to an injustice in most cases.

And we know, because you all follow a rather predictable pattern, that is when racist whites get the most agitated and are most likely to resort to destruction, up to and including killing black folks and anyone who has befriended, supported or assisted us. It is when we are making progress and doing things to counter their tactics that they begin to have feelings of great anxiety due to a perceived loss of power and control (MLK was assasinated, whites were killed in the south for registering blacks to vote, churches were bombed, people were lynched, black men dragged by rope behind pickup trucks, black congregants were shot & killed after welcoming a stranger into bible study class, well hopefully you get the picture).

This is not merely my opinion, this is text book psychology and actual documented American history but you don't have to take my word for it. Mediocre and subpar white males have been complaining about their [fears] of being replaced and becoming a minority in "their" America for the last few decades.

You are right though that we should all be grateful for the good things and people in our lives, I couldn't agree with you more. But in addition to doing that, I have an self-imposed obligation to try to help others who may not have access to the same knowledge bases that I do and even if you don't believe it, most of the people I assist and have helped are white, while most of the black people I have helped are women.

I don't dwell on the past, but I do study it and try to use what I learn to help understand and anticipate future pitfalls - you know predictive analytics and things of that nature. I don't always know what I'm looking for, sometimes it's just understanding but every now and again I will stumble across a piece of information that provides illumination to a whole different dataset or situation. It was more than five years ago when I first began debating what happened in the Tulsa Race riots and I was completely stunned to discover just within the last few weeks that there are 3 known survivors. I can't even express what just that fact alone means to me and I hope that before they leave this earth that someone somewhere will see to it that there is some measure of justice achieved on their behalf and everyone else who suffered through that hellscape.

So, truce?

 

[BlackSand]

Show me then. Show me when I have asked any white person here on this board or elsewhere, particularly you, to do anything for me. Show me where the only thing I have "in my pocket is hatred", I can wait because I know you'll not be able to produce anything however I'm not so arrogant as to believe that my words may have been misinterpreted, so prove me wrong.

You all keep making the same mistakes even when it's pointed out to you where your errors are. You are taking your biased opinions of black people and attempting to apply it me as well as the other African Americans who post here. You're not the only one though, most of the white racist here erroneously assume that BECAUSE I'm black I have a series of self-inflicted failures which have held me back in life or kept me from prospering.

None of you have any real clue of what I'm doing, so logically you can't then conclude that I'm "doing the same thing they did" whoever the hell "they" are and "therefore will only produce the same results".

The fact that none of you seem capable of conversing in a civil manner is more telling than you might imagine. I have ethical and professional constraints on how I can interact with others, even the most vile racists, but setting that aside, it would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic that you believe I am trying to garner sympathy, pity or God forbid, "approval" from white racists.

We're all entitled to our opinions and I usually refrain from telling people that they're wrong because that's not place to do so, but since you made this specifically about me, then I will.

You're wrong about just everything single assertion you made in your last comment.

.

I didn't make any assertion about what you personally feel, and only towards what you posted.
The word "if" is a qualifier ... When combined in the phrase "If you" it means 'should it apply to you".
Any connection you want to apply to your personal condition, is a product of your desires, not mine.

You are the one that said people had the right to protest their grievances, and I never suggested they couldn't, or shouldn't.
You are the one that gave examples of what our ancestors (they) have done in the past ... I identified them as mistakes we shouldn't repeat.
I didn't even say you had to get the approval of white people, unless of course you wanted their help with anything.

What I posted to you was open ended, and allowed you the opportunities to make choices.
I am not trying to pigeon hole you, restrict your options, and make you do anything.

But Seriously ... If You ... Just want to be offended, and pursue a less than productive course of action ... Go Pound Sand ...

.​

You're not fooling anyone, let alone me and anyone can go back read exactly what was posted. You were high and mighty and attempting to dictate to black people what we should be doing ("if you haven't filed a grievance")

Is the blacks hatred of Asians and Jews systemic?

Blacks don't hate Asians and Jews. Furthermore blacks have not created a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring blacks at the expense of Asians and Jews.

Why do you racists ask these stupid ass questions?

If blacks dont hate asians and jews, why do they keep trying to kill them?

Maybe if you guys would spend your lives not just looking for things blacks do to talk your racist shit about, you'd find that it's whites like you doing most of it.

No, virtually all racial violence is perpetrated by black people.

I remember the first conversation I had with you. You were claiming that it was only black people that rioted and "burn down neighborhood" or something to that affect. I posted information regarding the Tulsa Race Riots in which a white mob of 3,000 torched the most affluent black community in the U.S. They looted the banks and store, burned down the only black hospital and the white hospital in the surrounding area wouldn't initially accept or help any black victims.

Your response was that it happened in another century, yet within the last few weeks we find that there are at least 3 survivors of that massacre yet you all with all the nastiness and evilness you can muster double down on the white rage and hatred that was demonstrated during that two day period.

Black people have been forgiving white racists for all of the heinous acts that have been inflicted upon us as a people for centuries - the lynchings, the church bombings, the cross burnings, false accusations, rape, murders, thefts and everything in between. Yet you all are incapable of having let alone demonstrating even the tiniest bit of compassion at all for what was done.

Where is the superiority in that?

Black people havent forgiven shit. Youre whining about it right now, as if any one alive today is to blame for it. The truth is, black people do FAR more raping and murdering today than anyone else, so spare me your lecture.

Also, the "Tulsa riot" is so far overblown that it is now a conspiracy theory. Those false claims about planes attacking have been debunked, and no "mass graves" have been found. Also, im certain i said that republicans dont riot. If there was a riot in Tulsa, then democrats are the ones to blame for it.

Careful, you're ignorance is showing. Conspiracy theory?

Ancestry.com, lots of interesting items on that site

.

I don't need to fool you ... You are fooling yourself.
You posed that question earlier, I answered it then, and it doesn't matter if you don't like the answer, because I wasn't asking for your approval.

.​

 

[Godboy]

Show me then. Show me when I have asked any white person here on this board or elsewhere, particularly you, to do anything for me. Show me where the only thing I have "in my pocket is hatred", I can wait because I know you'll not be able to produce anything however I'm not so arrogant as to believe that my words may have been misinterpreted, so prove me wrong.

You all keep making the same mistakes even when it's pointed out to you where your errors are. You are taking your biased opinions of black people and attempting to apply it me as well as the other African Americans who post here. You're not the only one though, most of the white racist here erroneously assume that BECAUSE I'm black I have a series of self-inflicted failures which have held me back in life or kept me from prospering.

None of you have any real clue of what I'm doing, so logically you can't then conclude that I'm "doing the same thing they did" whoever the hell "they" are and "therefore will only produce the same results".

The fact that none of you seem capable of conversing in a civil manner is more telling than you might imagine. I have ethical and professional constraints on how I can interact with others, even the most vile racists, but setting that aside, it would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic that you believe I am trying to garner sympathy, pity or God forbid, "approval" from white racists.

We're all entitled to our opinions and I usually refrain from telling people that they're wrong because that's not place to do so, but since you made this specifically about me, then I will.

You're wrong about just everything single assertion you made in your last comment.

.

I didn't make any assertion about what you personally feel, and only towards what you posted.
The word "if" is a qualifier ... When combined in the phrase "If you" it means 'should it apply to you".
Any connection you want to apply to your personal condition, is a product of your desires, not mine.

You are the one that said people had the right to protest their grievances, and I never suggested they couldn't, or shouldn't.
You are the one that gave examples of what our ancestors (they) have done in the past ... I identified them as mistakes we shouldn't repeat.
I didn't even say you had to get the approval of white people, unless of course you wanted their help with anything.

What I posted to you was open ended, and allowed you the opportunities to make choices.
I am not trying to pigeon hole you, restrict your options, and make you do anything.

But Seriously ... If You ... Just want to be offended, and pursue a less than productive course of action ... Go Pound Sand ...

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You're not fooling anyone, let alone me and anyone can go back read exactly what was posted. You were high and mighty and attempting to dictate to black people what we should be doing ("if you haven't filed a grievance")

Is the blacks hatred of Asians and Jews systemic?

Blacks don't hate Asians and Jews. Furthermore blacks have not created a "system" of treaties, laws, acts, policies, procedures and social mores which were created with the intention of favoring blacks at the expense of Asians and Jews.

Why do you racists ask these stupid ass questions?

If blacks dont hate asians and jews, why do they keep trying to kill them?

Maybe if you guys would spend your lives not just looking for things blacks do to talk your racist shit about, you'd find that it's whites like you doing most of it.

No, virtually all racial violence is perpetrated by black people.

I remember the first conversation I had with you. You were claiming that it was only black people that rioted and "burn down neighborhood" or something to that affect. I posted information regarding the Tulsa Race Riots in which a white mob of 3,000 torched the most affluent black community in the U.S. They looted the banks and store, burned down the only black hospital and the white hospital in the surrounding area wouldn't initially accept or help any black victims.

Your response was that it happened in another century, yet within the last few weeks we find that there are at least 3 survivors of that massacre yet you all with all the nastiness and evilness you can muster double down on the white rage and hatred that was demonstrated during that two day period.

Black people have been forgiving white racists for all of the heinous acts that have been inflicted upon us as a people for centuries - the lynchings, the church bombings, the cross burnings, false accusations, rape, murders, thefts and everything in between. Yet you all are incapable of having let alone demonstrating even the tiniest bit of compassion at all for what was done.

Where is the superiority in that?

Black people havent forgiven shit. Youre whining about it right now, as if any one alive today is to blame for it. The truth is, black people do FAR more raping and murdering today than anyone else, so spare me your lecture.

Also, the "Tulsa riot" is so far overblown that it is now a conspiracy theory. Those false claims about planes attacking have been debunked, and no "mass graves" have been found. Also, im certain i said that republicans dont riot. If there was a riot in Tulsa, then democrats are the ones to blame for it.

Careful, you're ignorance is showing. Conspiracy theory?

Ancestry.com, lots of interesting items on that site

Yeah, you people have made wild claims about fighter planes and mass graves without any proof..

 

[freyasman]

most of the white racist here erroneously assume that BECAUSE I'm black I have a series of self-inflicted failures which have held me back in life or kept me from prospering.

So, how then have you been harmed? What about the legal standings to complain that you are so fond of referencing. All I see in your posts is nothing but racist hatred. Many black posters on here like to paint the entire country as racist--you are one. Until you quit reliving the terrible events of the past, you will have no future. YOU are in control of your future. YOU have lived a better life than most Americans from the past--based largely on the actions of those same predecessors. No one or no thing is perfect, past or present. Quit dwelling on the imperfections of the past and be thankful to God for the wonderful life we have been blessed with. Let your racist hatred go.

I don't deal in hatred, but the fact that you perceive the things that I say and have posted as hatred means you have no where else to go with this. And just for the record, I may not do this 100% of the time but I'm fairly consistent in making the distinction between white racists and white people in my comments. I am aware of the difference as are most if not all of the black posters on this board.

It has been stated repeatedly, that when white racists attack black people, whether physically, or financially or by lying on them and getting them fired, or causing a series of events that have a devastating impact on their life - that is racial hatred.

When black people then in turn complain, organization and strategize on ways to counter the racial hatred that we often find ourselves on the receiving end of, that's not racism. Even if there is animus against certain people or entities for harms they have caused to us individually or consistently to black people in general, that is still not racism or hatred. Instead it's targeted action in response to an injustice in most cases.

And we know, because you all follow a rather predictable pattern, that is when racist whites get the most agitated and are most likely to resort to destruction, up to and including killing black folks and anyone who has befriended, supported or assisted us. It is when we are making progress and doing things to counter their tactics that they begin to have feelings of great anxiety due to a perceived loss of power and control (MLK was assasinated, whites were killed in the south for registering blacks to vote, churches were bombed, people were lynched, black men dragged by rope behind pickup trucks, black congregants were shot & killed after welcoming a stranger into bible study class, well hopefully you get the picture).

This is not merely my opinion, this is text book psychology and actual documented American history but you don't have to take my word for it. Mediocre and subpar white males have been complaining about their [fears] of being replaced and becoming a minority in "their" America for the last few decades.

You are right though that we should all be grateful for the good things and people in our lives, I couldn't agree with you more. But in addition to doing that, I have an self-imposed obligation to try to help others who may not have access to the same knowledge bases that I do and even if you don't believe it, most of the people I assist and have helped are white, while most of the black people I have helped are women.

I don't dwell on the past, but I do study it and try to use what I learn to help understand and anticipate future pitfalls - you know predictive analytics and things of that nature. I don't always know what I'm looking for, sometimes it's just understanding but every now and again I will stumble across a piece of information that provides illumination to a whole different dataset or situation. It was more than five years ago when I first began debating what happened in the Tulsa Race riots and I was completely stunned to discover just within the last few weeks that there are 3 known survivors. I can't even express what just that fact alone means to me and I hope that before they leave this earth that someone somewhere will see to it that there is some measure of justice achieved on their behalf and everyone else who suffered through that hellscape.

So, truce?

"that when white racists attack black people, whether physically, or financially or by lying on them and getting them fired, or causing a series of events that have a devastating impact on their life - that is racial hatred."

And the same thing is happening in reverse.

And when this is done by black racists to white people, do you ever object to it?
Do you ever call it out, or even acknowledge it?

 

[Godboy]

most of the white racist here erroneously assume that BECAUSE I'm black I have a series of self-inflicted failures which have held me back in life or kept me from prospering.

So, how then have you been harmed? What about the legal standings to complain that you are so fond of referencing. All I see in your posts is nothing but racist hatred. Many black posters on here like to paint the entire country as racist--you are one. Until you quit reliving the terrible events of the past, you will have no future. YOU are in control of your future. YOU have lived a better life than most Americans from the past--based largely on the actions of those same predecessors. No one or no thing is perfect, past or present. Quit dwelling on the imperfections of the past and be thankful to God for the wonderful life we have been blessed with. Let your racist hatred go.

I don't deal in hatred, but the fact that you perceive the things that I say and have posted as hatred means you have no where else to go with this. And just for the record, I may not do this 100% of the time but I'm fairly consistent in making the distinction between white racists and white people in my comments. I am aware of the difference as are most if not all of the black posters on this board.

It has been stated repeatedly, that when white racists attack black people, whether physically, or financially or by lying on them and getting them fired, or causing a series of events that have a devastating impact on their life - that is racial hatred.

When black people then in turn complain, organization and strategize on ways to counter the racial hatred that we often find ourselves on the receiving end of, that's not racism. Even if there is animus against certain people or entities for harms they have caused to us individually or consistently to black people in general, that is still not racism or hatred. Instead it's targeted action in response to an injustice in most cases.

And we know, because you all follow a rather predictable pattern, that is when racist whites get the most agitated and are most likely to resort to destruction, up to and including killing black folks and anyone who has befriended, supported or assisted us. It is when we are making progress and doing things to counter their tactics that they begin to have feelings of great anxiety due to a perceived loss of power and control (MLK was assasinated, whites were killed in the south for registering blacks to vote, churches were bombed, people were lynched, black men dragged by rope behind pickup trucks, black congregants were shot & killed after welcoming a stranger into bible study class, well hopefully you get the picture).

This is not merely my opinion, this is text book psychology and actual documented American history but you don't have to take my word for it. Mediocre and subpar white males have been complaining about their [fears] of being replaced and becoming a minority in "their" America for the last few decades.

You are right though that we should all be grateful for the good things and people in our lives, I couldn't agree with you more. But in addition to doing that, I have an self-imposed obligation to try to help others who may not have access to the same knowledge bases that I do and even if you don't believe it, most of the people I assist and have helped are white, while most of the black people I have helped are women.

I don't dwell on the past, but I do study it and try to use what I learn to help understand and anticipate future pitfalls - you know predictive analytics and things of that nature. I don't always know what I'm looking for, sometimes it's just understanding but every now and again I will stumble across a piece of information that provides illumination to a whole different dataset or situation. It was more than five years ago when I first began debating what happened in the Tulsa Race riots and I was completely stunned to discover just within the last few weeks that there are 3 known survivors. I can't even express what just that fact alone means to me and I hope that before they leave this earth that someone somewhere will see to it that there is some measure of justice achieved on their behalf and everyone else who suffered through that hellscape.

So, truce?

"that when white racists attack black people, whether physically, or financially or by lying on them and getting them fired, or causing a series of events that have a devastating impact on their life - that is racial hatred."

And the same thing is happening in reverse.

And when this is done by black racists to white people, do you ever object to it?
Do you ever call it out, or even acknowledge it?

I guaran-fucking-tee you she has never mentioned all the whites and Asians who are being murdered in the streets by black people just for fun. Its usually a lynch mob of black people doing it too, and they all giggle when their unsuspecting victims heads smash into the pavement after getting sucker punched. Any black person who thinks black criminals being killed by cops during altercations are more important than innocent whites and asians being assaulted and murdered by blacks, is fucking vile. Fixing any issue BLM is in support of, falls WAY the fuck behind the priority of protecting innocent people being attacked by racist blacks, of which there seems to be at least hundreds of thousands nation wide.

Until these senseless racist attacks stop, i dont give a FUCK about any black criminal getting killed, nor should anyone else.

 

[Bernhard]

Seems to me that this topic is so toxic, that most of the time, people are talking at cross-purposes.

I'd say most agree with Martin Luther King, when he said "I have a dream, of a world where people will be judged by their character and not the color of their skin". (If not, please let me know).

So how comes so many people (supposedly mostly whites) feel attacked, when non-whites and/or their white supporters point out that racism still exists?

I'll try to answer that from my (white, non-American) perspective:

It seems to me that I'm unfairly painted with a broad brush, when people accuse me of "white privilege". And especially when it's younger white people from academia who tell me how I am supposed to talk, or label me "privileged", that I get a strong urge to reject them.

The claim "whites are privileged" seems pretty broad-brush to me. It's always individuals who are privileged or discriminated, but not entire skin colors. And whether you are socially privileged, always depends of the exact social situation in a given case. When I apply for a job in a black neighborhood, in a shop with a black boss where most employees and costumers are black, I'm pretty sure I won't enjoy white privilege there.

But the point is taken: At least statistically, blacks more often happen to deal with a white social environment, than vice versa. So whites are "more often privileged".

However, it really doesn't help matters when academics try to tell me how I am supposed to talk and behave, when the only effect is that it comes across than them telling me "I despise you as a racist redneck, because you don't even know which words to use, and I even have the nerve of calling you privileged, although I make more in a month than you will ever make in a year".

However, I agree that we all have prejudices, of various kinds, sometimes conscious, sometimes unconscious. And that it's a noble goal trying to question them and to overcome them. Some people have prejudices against blacks, some against women, others against men, some against "rednecks".

It seems to me that racial prejudice is really just one egg in this basket. Any ideas about how this could be overcome?

 

[Concerned American]

most of the white racist here erroneously assume that BECAUSE I'm black I have a series of self-inflicted failures which have held me back in life or kept me from prospering.

So, how then have you been harmed? What about the legal standings to complain that you are so fond of referencing. All I see in your posts is nothing but racist hatred. Many black posters on here like to paint the entire country as racist--you are one. Until you quit reliving the terrible events of the past, you will have no future. YOU are in control of your future. YOU have lived a better life than most Americans from the past--based largely on the actions of those same predecessors. No one or no thing is perfect, past or present. Quit dwelling on the imperfections of the past and be thankful to God for the wonderful life we have been blessed with. Let your racist hatred go.

I don't deal in hatred, but the fact that you perceive the things that I say and have posted as hatred means you have no where else to go with this. And just for the record, I may not do this 100% of the time but I'm fairly consistent in making the distinction between white racists and white people in my comments. I am aware of the difference as are most if not all of the black posters on this board.

It has been stated repeatedly, that when white racists attack black people, whether physically, or financially or by lying on them and getting them fired, or causing a series of events that have a devastating impact on their life - that is racial hatred.

When black people then in turn complain, organization and strategize on ways to counter the racial hatred that we often find ourselves on the receiving end of, that's not racism. Even if there is animus against certain people or entities for harms they have caused to us individually or consistently to black people in general, that is still not racism or hatred. Instead it's targeted action in response to an injustice in most cases.

And we know, because you all follow a rather predictable pattern, that is when racist whites get the most agitated and are most likely to resort to destruction, up to and including killing black folks and anyone who has befriended, supported or assisted us. It is when we are making progress and doing things to counter their tactics that they begin to have feelings of great anxiety due to a perceived loss of power and control (MLK was assasinated, whites were killed in the south for registering blacks to vote, churches were bombed, people were lynched, black men dragged by rope behind pickup trucks, black congregants were shot & killed after welcoming a stranger into bible study class, well hopefully you get the picture).

This is not merely my opinion, this is text book psychology and actual documented American history but you don't have to take my word for it. Mediocre and subpar white males have been complaining about their [fears] of being replaced and becoming a minority in "their" America for the last few decades.

You are right though that we should all be grateful for the good things and people in our lives, I couldn't agree with you more. But in addition to doing that, I have an self-imposed obligation to try to help others who may not have access to the same knowledge bases that I do and even if you don't believe it, most of the people I assist and have helped are white, while most of the black people I have helped are women.

I don't dwell on the past, but I do study it and try to use what I learn to help understand and anticipate future pitfalls - you know predictive analytics and things of that nature. I don't always know what I'm looking for, sometimes it's just understanding but every now and again I will stumble across a piece of information that provides illumination to a whole different dataset or situation. It was more than five years ago when I first began debating what happened in the Tulsa Race riots and I was completely stunned to discover just within the last few weeks that there are 3 known survivors. I can't even express what just that fact alone means to me and I hope that before they leave this earth that someone somewhere will see to it that there is some measure of justice achieved on their behalf and everyone else who suffered through that hellscape.

So, truce?

Truce? I wasn't aware we were at war. If I was at war, we wouldn't be talking. You can twist yourself and your arguments in as many directions as you want. They still boil down to racist hatred. I have been wronged by many black people over my life and I just consider the source--the same as I do for the wrongs that I have endured from white people--and not surprisingly, they are about equal from both sides. I move on--I certainly don't paint all black people with the same brush as I use for the folks who have wronged me. I know the definition of equity and equality and I have NOT been on the receiving end of either over the last 57 years. I have however seen numerous laws past that are blatantly unequal and inequitable, more with the current regime than ever before. Until laws are passed to address people today--that would be all people--no qualifiers and no preferences, there will be no peace. As regards your racial hatred and racism--I agree with Freyasman's post #94.

 

[IM2]

Seems to me that this topic is so toxic, that most of the time, people are talking at cross-purposes.

I'd say most agree with Martin Luther King, when he said "I have a dream, of a world where people will be judged by their character and not the color of their skin". (If not, please let me know).

So how comes so many people (supposedly mostly whites) feel attacked, when non-whites and/or their white supporters point out that racism still exists?

I'll try to answer that from my (white, non-American) perspective:

It seems to me that I'm unfairly painted with a broad brush, when people accuse me of "white privilege". And especially when it's younger white people from academia who tell me how I am supposed to talk, or label me "privileged", that I get a strong urge to reject them.

The claim "whites are privileged" seems pretty broad-brush to me. It's always individuals who are privileged or discriminated, but not entire skin colors. And whether you are socially privileged, always depends of the exact social situation in a given case. When I apply for a job in a black neighborhood, in a shop with a black boss where most employees and costumers are black, I'm pretty sure I won't enjoy white privilege there.

But the point is taken: At least statistically, blacks more often happen to deal with a white social environment, than vice versa. So whites are "more often privileged".

However, it really doesn't help matters when academics try to tell me how I am supposed to talk and behave, when the only effect is that it comes across than them telling me "I despise you as a racist redneck, because you don't even know which words to use, and I even have the nerve of calling you privileged, although I make more in a month than you will ever make in a year".

However, I agree that we all have prejudices, of various kinds, sometimes conscious, sometimes unconscious. And that it's a noble goal trying to question them and to overcome them. Some people have prejudices against blacks, some against women, others against men, some against "rednecks".

It seems to me that racial prejudice is really just one egg in this basket. Any ideas about how this could be overcome?

Please stop misusing King. Because King said his dream was that HIS BLACK CHILDREN would not be judged by the color of their skin.. He was specifically demanding that whites sttop judging people by the color of their skin. And you do have white privilege. Let me know when you apply for a job in a black neighborhood sonce the majority of black owned businesses are sole proprietoships who really can't hire outside of familty.

Last, I appreciate your effort but whitres have codified their prejudices into laws and policy. This is what we refer to as systemic racism. Everybody has not done that.

 

[freyasman]

Seems to me that this topic is so toxic, that most of the time, people are talking at cross-purposes.

I'd say most agree with Martin Luther King, when he said "I have a dream, of a world where people will be judged by their character and not the color of their skin". (If not, please let me know).

So how comes so many people (supposedly mostly whites) feel attacked, when non-whites and/or their white supporters point out that racism still exists?

I'll try to answer that from my (white, non-American) perspective:

It seems to me that I'm unfairly painted with a broad brush, when people accuse me of "white privilege". And especially when it's younger white people from academia who tell me how I am supposed to talk, or label me "privileged", that I get a strong urge to reject them.

The claim "whites are privileged" seems pretty broad-brush to me. It's always individuals who are privileged or discriminated, but not entire skin colors. And whether you are socially privileged, always depends of the exact social situation in a given case. When I apply for a job in a black neighborhood, in a shop with a black boss where most employees and costumers are black, I'm pretty sure I won't enjoy white privilege there.

But the point is taken: At least statistically, blacks more often happen to deal with a white social environment, than vice versa. So whites are "more often privileged".

However, it really doesn't help matters when academics try to tell me how I am supposed to talk and behave, when the only effect is that it comes across than them telling me "I despise you as a racist redneck, because you don't even know which words to use, and I even have the nerve of calling you privileged, although I make more in a month than you will ever make in a year".

However, I agree that we all have prejudices, of various kinds, sometimes conscious, sometimes unconscious. And that it's a noble goal trying to question them and to overcome them. Some people have prejudices against blacks, some against women, others against men, some against "rednecks".

It seems to me that racial prejudice is really just one egg in this basket. Any ideas about how this could be overcome?

Please stop misusing King. Because King said his dream was that HIS BLACK CHILDREN would not be judged by the color of their skin.. He was specifically demanding that whites sttop judging people by the color of their skin. And you do have white privilege. Let me know when you apply for a job in a black neighborhood sonce the majority of black owned businesses are sole proprietoships who really can't hire outside of familty.

Last, I appreciate your effort but whitres have codified their prejudices into laws and policy. This is what we refer to as systemic racism. Everybody has not done that.

Oh go fuck yourself, you racist piece of shit.

 

[IM2]

most of the white racist here erroneously assume that BECAUSE I'm black I have a series of self-inflicted failures which have held me back in life or kept me from prospering.

So, how then have you been harmed? What about the legal standings to complain that you are so fond of referencing. All I see in your posts is nothing but racist hatred. Many black posters on here like to paint the entire country as racist--you are one. Until you quit reliving the terrible events of the past, you will have no future. YOU are in control of your future. YOU have lived a better life than most Americans from the past--based largely on the actions of those same predecessors. No one or no thing is perfect, past or present. Quit dwelling on the imperfections of the past and be thankful to God for the wonderful life we have been blessed with. Let your racist hatred go.

I don't deal in hatred, but the fact that you perceive the things that I say and have posted as hatred means you have no where else to go with this. And just for the record, I may not do this 100% of the time but I'm fairly consistent in making the distinction between white racists and white people in my comments. I am aware of the difference as are most if not all of the black posters on this board.

It has been stated repeatedly, that when white racists attack black people, whether physically, or financially or by lying on them and getting them fired, or causing a series of events that have a devastating impact on their life - that is racial hatred.

When black people then in turn complain, organization and strategize on ways to counter the racial hatred that we often find ourselves on the receiving end of, that's not racism. Even if there is animus against certain people or entities for harms they have caused to us individually or consistently to black people in general, that is still not racism or hatred. Instead it's targeted action in response to an injustice in most cases.

And we know, because you all follow a rather predictable pattern, that is when racist whites get the most agitated and are most likely to resort to destruction, up to and including killing black folks and anyone who has befriended, supported or assisted us. It is when we are making progress and doing things to counter their tactics that they begin to have feelings of great anxiety due to a perceived loss of power and control (MLK was assasinated, whites were killed in the south for registering blacks to vote, churches were bombed, people were lynched, black men dragged by rope behind pickup trucks, black congregants were shot & killed after welcoming a stranger into bible study class, well hopefully you get the picture).

This is not merely my opinion, this is text book psychology and actual documented American history but you don't have to take my word for it. Mediocre and subpar white males have been complaining about their [fears] of being replaced and becoming a minority in "their" America for the last few decades.

You are right though that we should all be grateful for the good things and people in our lives, I couldn't agree with you more. But in addition to doing that, I have an self-imposed obligation to try to help others who may not have access to the same knowledge bases that I do and even if you don't believe it, most of the people I assist and have helped are white, while most of the black people I have helped are women.

I don't dwell on the past, but I do study it and try to use what I learn to help understand and anticipate future pitfalls - you know predictive analytics and things of that nature. I don't always know what I'm looking for, sometimes it's just understanding but every now and again I will stumble across a piece of information that provides illumination to a whole different dataset or situation. It was more than five years ago when I first began debating what happened in the Tulsa Race riots and I was completely stunned to discover just within the last few weeks that there are 3 known survivors. I can't even express what just that fact alone means to me and I hope that before they leave this earth that someone somewhere will see to it that there is some measure of justice achieved on their behalf and everyone else who suffered through that hellscape.

So, truce?

"that when white racists attack black people, whether physically, or financially or by lying on them and getting them fired, or causing a series of events that have a devastating impact on their life - that is racial hatred."

And the same thing is happening in reverse.

And when this is done by black racists to white people, do you ever object to it?
Do you ever call it out, or even acknowledge it?

I guaran-fucking-tee you she has never mentioned all the whites and Asians who are being murdered in the streets by black people just for fun. Its usually a lynch mob of black people doing it too, and they all giggle when their unsuspecting victims heads smash into the pavement after getting sucker punched. Any black person who thinks black criminals being killed by cops during altercations are more important than innocent whites and asians being assaulted and murdered by blacks, is fucking vile. Fixing any issue BLM is in support of, falls WAY the fuck behind the priority of protecting innocent people being attacked by racist blacks, of which there seems to be at least hundreds of thousands nation wide.

Until these senseless racist attacks stop, i dont give a FUCK about any black criminal getting killed, nor should anyone else.

Because it's not happening.