A 63 year old movie describes us a little too well

Are you quite certain that only Jews were deprived of guns? Was everyone else allowed guns or only Nazi Party members? Do you have any evidence?

The group deprived of guns may be small or large, but the goal is the same: Take away the means of self-defense as a prelude to ill-treatment.

Oh, bullshit.

If a Jew had decided to have a shootout with the SS< he would have been killed, and the next morning, Dr. Goebbels would have told the masses that a criminal Jew attacked brave law enforcement.

Having guns doesn't protect marginalized minorities.
 
Oh, bullshit.

If a Jew had decided to have a shootout with the SS< he would have been killed, and the next morning, Dr. Goebbels would have told the masses that a criminal Jew attacked brave law enforcement.

Having guns doesn't protect marginalized minorities.
Not all minority group members are as dumb as you. They can figure out how to form coalitions.
 
Not all minority group members are as dumb as you. They can figure out how to form coalitions.

Not really.

Here's the thing.

Most Germans really hated the Jews. Even ones who didn't particularly like Hitler probably hated Jews more.

Why?

Well, to start with, you have 1000 years of anti-Semitism through religion, whether it be passion plays blaming the Jews for killing Jesus or Martin Luther writing a book called "The Jews and their Lies".

It didn't help that of the 11 socialists who instituted the 1918 revolution, eight of them were Jews. Things got really bad in Germany after that for a long time, and everyone was looking for someone to blame.

Also, people are basically cowards. If the cops show up to arrest your neighbor tomorrow, are you going to rush out with your gun and defend him? Probably not.
 
I'm posting this in the Politics section because it so eerily describes our current political climate. I was watching a 1961 movie last night, and a moment in the movie absolutely blew my mind.

At a key moment in the movie (at 2:18:00), a judge (played by Burt Lancaster) who is on trial describes a dark time in the country's history:

There was a fever over the land. A fever of disgrace, of indignity, of hunger. We had a democracy, yes. But it was torn by elements within. Above all, there was fear. Fear of today, fear of tomorrow. Fear of our neighbors, and fear of ourselves. Only when you understand that, can you understand what (he) meant to us. Because he said to us, "lift your heads, be proud to be (who you are). There are devils among us -- communists, liberals, jews, gypsies. Once these devils will be destroyed, your misery will be destroyed". It was the old, old story of the sacrificial lamb.

What about those of us who knew better? We who knew the words were lies, and worse than lies? Why did we sit silent? Why did we take part? Because we loved our country. What difference does it make if a few political extremists lose their rights? What difference does it make if a few racial minorities lose their rights? It is only a passing phase! It is only a stage we're going through! It will be discarded sooner or later! The leader himself will be discarded sooner or later!

The country is in danger. We will march out of the shadows. We will go forward! And history tells us how well we succeeded, your honor.





Pretty amazing. The scene is from Judgment at Nuremberg, 1961.
Democrats and their media have certainly swarmed us with lies, taken some of our democracy away, and want to finish the job.
 
Not really.

Here's the thing.

Most Germans really hated the Jews. Even ones who didn't particularly like Hitler probably hated Jews more.

Why?

Well, to start with, you have 1000 years of anti-Semitism through religion, whether it be passion plays blaming the Jews for killing Jesus or Martin Luther writing a book called "The Jews and their Lies".

It didn't help that of the 11 socialists who instituted the 1918 revolution, eight of them were Jews. Things got really bad in Germany after that for a long time, and everyone was looking for someone to blame.

Also, people are basically cowards. If the cops show up to arrest your neighbor tomorrow, are you going to rush out with your gun and defend him? Probably not.
You got your facts wrong as usual. It wasn’t only Jews who were denied weapons.

 
Trump is using negatives and anger and distrust.
What is also true is it works,
and everyone else is using it also.
So working folks and old folks will end up paying the price.
And the list of billionaires will continue to grow
and the middle class will continue to shrink.
These people adore a "man" who says we should use the MILITARY against AMERICANS who don't think just like they do. Based on POLITICAL OPINIONS.

Such a thought should have zero (0) support in America. But here we are. He's crossed the most important line he can cross.

Just as before, 90 years ago, this disaster is about the people who enable it.
 
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National Review... can be safely ignored

Reality- Germans as a whole had EASIER access to guns.

But ironically, no one rushed out with their guns to save their Jew or Commie or Commie Jew neighbors when the SS came for them.

Why do you think that is?
Your mind is nailed shut against the facts.

Here’s some more data for you to dismiss without cause: Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming the Jews and 'Enemies of the State', by Stephen P. Halbrook

JoeB131’s tiny mind can’t bear facts from those he disagrees with.
 
I'm posting this in the Politics section because it so eerily describes our current political climate. I was watching a 1961 movie last night, and a moment in the movie absolutely blew my mind.

At a key moment in the movie (at 2:18:00), a judge (played by Burt Lancaster) who is on trial describes a dark time in the country's history:

There was a fever over the land. A fever of disgrace, of indignity, of hunger. We had a democracy, yes. But it was torn by elements within. Above all, there was fear. Fear of today, fear of tomorrow. Fear of our neighbors, and fear of ourselves. Only when you understand that, can you understand what (he) meant to us. Because he said to us, "lift your heads, be proud to be (who you are). There are devils among us -- communists, liberals, jews, gypsies. Once these devils will be destroyed, your misery will be destroyed". It was the old, old story of the sacrificial lamb.

What about those of us who knew better? We who knew the words were lies, and worse than lies? Why did we sit silent? Why did we take part? Because we loved our country. What difference does it make if a few political extremists lose their rights? What difference does it make if a few racial minorities lose their rights? It is only a passing phase! It is only a stage we're going through! It will be discarded sooner or later! The leader himself will be discarded sooner or later!

The country is in danger. We will march out of the shadows. We will go forward! And history tells us how well we succeeded, your honor.





Pretty amazing. The scene is from Judgment at Nuremberg, 1961.
Wow, you’re kind of obsessed with Nazis aren’t you?
 
Your mind is nailed shut against the facts.

Here’s some more data for you to dismiss without cause: Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming the Jews and 'Enemies of the State', by Stephen P. Halbrook

JoeB131’s tiny mind can’t bear facts from those he disagrees with.

Because you haven't presented facts... you present a lot of NRA Spooge.


Following Germany's defeat in World War I, the Weimar Republic passed very strict gun control laws in an attempt both to stabilize the country and to comply with the Versailles Treaty of 1919 – laws that in fact required the surrender of all guns to the government. These laws remained in effect until 1928, when the German parliament relaxed gun restrictions and put into effect a strict firearm-licensing scheme. These strict licensing regulations foreshadowed Hitler's rise to power.

If you read the 1938 Nazi gun laws closely and compare them to earlier 1928 Weimar gun legislation – as a straightforward exercise of statutory interpretation – several conclusions become clear. First, with regard to possession and carrying of firearms, the Nazi regime relaxed the gun laws that were in place in Germany at the time the Nazis seized power. Second, the Nazi gun laws of 1938 specifically banned Jewish persons from obtaining a license to manufacture firearms or ammunition. Third, approximately eight months after enacting the 1938 Nazi gun laws, Hitler imposed regulations prohibiting Jewish persons from possessing any dangerous weapons, including firearms.
 
These people adore a "man" who says we should use the MILITARY against AMERICANS who don't think just like they do. Based on POLITICAL OPINIONS.

Such a thought should have zero (0) support in America. But here we are. He's crossed the most important line he can cross.

Just as before, 90 years ago, this disaster is about the people who enable it.
Your observational opinions are becoming more unhinged…
 
Because you haven't presented facts... you present a lot of NRA Spooge.


Following Germany's defeat in World War I, the Weimar Republic passed very strict gun control laws in an attempt both to stabilize the country and to comply with the Versailles Treaty of 1919 – laws that in fact required the surrender of all guns to the government. These laws remained in effect until 1928, when the German parliament relaxed gun restrictions and put into effect a strict firearm-licensing scheme. These strict licensing regulations foreshadowed Hitler's rise to power.

If you read the 1938 Nazi gun laws closely and compare them to earlier 1928 Weimar gun legislation – as a straightforward exercise of statutory interpretation – several conclusions become clear. First, with regard to possession and carrying of firearms, the Nazi regime relaxed the gun laws that were in place in Germany at the time the Nazis seized power. Second, the Nazi gun laws of 1938 specifically banned Jewish persons from obtaining a license to manufacture firearms or ammunition. Third, approximately eight months after enacting the 1938 Nazi gun laws, Hitler imposed regulations prohibiting Jewish persons from possessing any dangerous weapons, including firearms.
You are covered with spooge and that’s the way you like it.

Why are you so dense? You admit the Nazis engaged in gun control:
Second, the Nazi gun laws of 1938 specifically banned Jewish persons from obtaining a license to manufacture firearms or ammunition. Third, approximately eight months after enacting the 1938 Nazi gun laws, Hitler imposed regulations prohibiting Jewish persons from possessing any dangerous weapons, including firearms.

Moreover, Jews were not the only people who were denied weapons.


Jews may not have been able to overthrow the Nazis, but they could have used those weapons to escape the Nazis.

But you like to see people helpless before the authoritarian state apparatus.

When did you become a servile bitch who serves authoritarian politicians?
 
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They know. They don't care. They want a strongman who will take care of them. They'll put with anything for that. Just like the people before.

This is about THEM, not Hitler, and THAT'S what the thread is about. They know that, too. Maybe they'll admit it if he wins.
Sad that you equate competence with being a "strongman"
 
Why are you so dense? You admit the Nazis engaged in gun control:
Second, the Nazi gun laws of 1938 specifically banned Jewish persons from obtaining a license to manufacture firearms or ammunition. Third, approximately eight months after enacting the 1938 Nazi gun laws, Hitler imposed regulations prohibiting Jewish persons from possessing any dangerous weapons, including firearms.

Against the Jews. Nobody else.

That's the point you don't get.

Average Germans had a shitload of guns... and not a one of them tried to overthrow Hitler (except for a bunch of half-ass assassination plots).
 
I'm posting this in the Politics section because it so eerily describes our current political climate. I was watching a 1961 movie last night, and a moment in the movie absolutely blew my mind.

At a key moment in the movie (at 2:18:00), a judge (played by Burt Lancaster) who is on trial describes a dark time in the country's history:

There was a fever over the land. A fever of disgrace, of indignity, of hunger. We had a democracy, yes. But it was torn by elements within. Above all, there was fear. Fear of today, fear of tomorrow. Fear of our neighbors, and fear of ourselves. Only when you understand that, can you understand what (he) meant to us. Because he said to us, "lift your heads, be proud to be (who you are). There are devils among us -- communists, liberals, jews, gypsies. Once these devils will be destroyed, your misery will be destroyed". It was the old, old story of the sacrificial lamb.

What about those of us who knew better? We who knew the words were lies, and worse than lies? Why did we sit silent? Why did we take part? Because we loved our country. What difference does it make if a few political extremists lose their rights? What difference does it make if a few racial minorities lose their rights? It is only a passing phase! It is only a stage we're going through! It will be discarded sooner or later! The leader himself will be discarded sooner or later!

The country is in danger. We will march out of the shadows. We will go forward! And history tells us how well we succeeded, your honor.





Pretty amazing. The scene is from Judgment at Nuremberg, 1961.
Our Pundits Can't See Any Differences Inside Their Narrow Baskets


You could say the same about the feelings of Patrick Henry and Tom Paine, with George Washington as their solution.
 
Our Pundits Can't See Any Differences Inside Their Narrow Baskets


You could say the same about the feelings of Patrick Henry and Tom Paine, with George Washington as their solution.
Oh yeah, George Washington said "There are devils among us -- communists, liberals, jews, gypsies. Once these devils will be destroyed, your misery will be destroyed"

And he went on to destroy them.

Gosh, I forgot!

:rolleyes:
 
Against the Jews. Nobody else.

That's the point you don't get.

Average Germans had a shitload of guns... and not a one of them tried to overthrow Hitler (except for a bunch of half-ass assassination plots).
You certainly enjoy lying. I showed you that political opponents of the Nazis were denied guns too.

And gun control directed against Jews is obviously gun control.

Hitler was not the only dictator to confiscate guns. Pol Pot’s forces went on a house-to-house search for guns before they massacred almost 1/3 of Cambodia’s population.

 
You certainly enjoy lying. I showed you that political opponents of the Nazis were denied guns too.

Which is nowhere near the majority of Germans. The vast majority of Germans had EASIER access to guns.

Hitler was not the only dictator to confiscate guns. Pol Pot’s forces went on a house-to-house search for guns before they massacred almost 1/3 of Cambodia’s population.

You mean after the US bombed the shit out of Cambodia and put a puppet regime in charge?
 
I don'think he mentioned Trump, that is your distillation. The passage tries to explain how a nation can be manipulated by desperation and hopelessness into doing things that were previously unthinkable, and making it seem right. Germany was broken economically and spiritually after WW1 and the treaty of Versailles, and Hitler promised the hopeless people hope, and they willingly followed him down the hoot owl trail waving the flag. If Hitler wasn't there they would have followed someone else of invented him (or her). I think this just sailed over your head, as it does a lot of people today, trying to make every issue for or about Trump, the important details get lost in the rhetoric.
Even The Wizard of Oz Had a Good Witch

The Glowbullies and Neo-Cons are using the same wide-body analogy against Putin, admitting that we screwed Russia after the Soviet Union dissolved, just like the Allies did to Weimar Germany. Taking that and running with it, the Cold War Chickenhawks then claimed that both foreign-policy mistakes equally led to a megalomaniac trying to take over the world and it doesn't matter that we started it, we have to stop it.
 

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