911 Truth and the American Way of Life (AWOL)

[georgephillip]

You guys are very entertaining but way off base. The planes struck just after take off so they were fully fueled. The fire weakened the structure and it pancaked at the point of impact.

Jet fuel doesn't melt steel, thermite does:

World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories - Wikipedia

"Jones, among others, points to many descriptions by individuals working on the WTC rubble pile suggesting the presence of molten steel in the pile[9][15] and a stream of molten metal that poured out of the South Tower before it collapsed[4] as evidence of temperatures beyond those produced by the fire.

"Jones has argued that the molten metal may have been elemental iron, a product of a thermite reaction.

"Jones and other researchers analyzed samples of dust from the World Trade Center buildings and reported their findings for evidence of nano-thermite in the dust."

 

[alang1216]

Garcia addresses that issue in his article.
He alleges there were about 24 teams each consisting of around 20 people who worked for less than two weeks finishing up on Labor Day 2001.

This is America, nothing stays secret for long. If there were 500+ US people involved there would be 500+ tell all books out by now. None of the gov't workers I know would put explosives in a US building and would have screamed bloody murder if any were asked.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The fact is the same government that was behind the event was the same government that investigated it what do you think the out come is going to be dumbass. You are one of two things, one of the dumbest mother fuckers on the planet or payed to post such bull shit. no need to respond don't give a fuck what a dumbass like you has to say.

Wrong moron.

The US government was not behind it.

Yes you do give a fuck. You are posting in an effort to try and look more enlightened. The fact is you are one gullible little idiot believing in half baked conspiracy theories which have been disproven.

You are wrong BOY and you know it.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Jet fuel doesn't melt steel, thermite does:

World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories - Wikipedia

"Jones, among others, points to many descriptions by individuals working on the WTC rubble pile suggesting the presence of molten steel in the pile[9][15] and a stream of molten metal that poured out of the South Tower before it collapsed[4] as evidence of temperatures beyond those produced by the fire.

"Jones has argued that the molten metal may have been elemental iron, a product of a thermite reaction.

"Jones and other researchers analyzed samples of dust from the World Trade Center buildings and reported their findings for evidence of nano-thermite in the dust."

No one ever said jet fuel melted steel and it was not necessary to have jet fuel melt steel

There never was any molten steel pouring out of the south tower.

 

[alang1216]

Jet fuel doesn't melt steel, thermite does:

at least one source disagrees:

The burning jet fuel, plus whatever combustibles were present in the area of impact, produced more than enough heat to raise the temperature of the structural steel above its softening point, causing the floor or floors above the fire to collapse pancake style. There probably can be no tall building built that would withstand the heat generated by the quantity of jet fuel present in the WTC attack. If one can be built, no one would be able to pay for it.​

 

[georgephillip]

He is not the first, literally hundreds have made the same basica claims. Just as over 100 people have claimed to be the other shooter who killeed JFK.

Garcia is the first individual to claim he participated in wiring the WTC towers for a controlled demolition, not that it will matter to "patriots" who swallow every lie the Deep State vomits forth.

 

[georgephillip]

There was no way in hell to wire those buildings under the noses of thousands who worked there. It is fucking fiction and that is fact

Your ignorance/laziness is truly Trumpian.
Read Garcia's article before making an even bigger fool of yourself than you already have.

Confessions of a Secret Controlled Demolitions Special Operative for 911

"In less than two weeks, staged as HVAC, plumbing, elevator, and electrical conduit repairmen working through the Labor Day weekend of 2001, all our teams got the WTC Twin Towers and Building 7 wired for demolition.

"Then we were sent home and scattered, without knowing the date of execution or even if the operation would actually be carried out.

"It didn’t take long to find out.

"On 11 September 2001, the WTC buildings were blown, and those collapses were caught on many cameras for the world to see and be humbled into submission by the awesome yet cloaked power of the Deep State that controls us."

 

[Soupnazi630]

Garcia is the first individual to claim he participated in wiring the WTC towers for a controlled demolition, not that it will matter to "patriots" who swallow every lie the Deep State vomits forth.

No he is not the first

Many have made similar claims and they are all equally full of shit

 

[Soupnazi630]

Your ignorance/laziness is truly Trumpian.
Read Garcia's article before making an even bigger fool of yourself than you already have.

Confessions of a Secret Controlled Demolitions Special Operative for 911

"In less than two weeks, staged as HVAC, plumbing, elevator, and electrical conduit repairmen working through the Labor Day weekend of 2001, all our teams got the WTC Twin Towers and Building 7 wired for demolition.

"Then we were sent home and scattered, without knowing the date of execution or even if the operation would actually be carried out.

"It didn’t take long to find out.

"On 11 September 2001, the WTC buildings were blown, and those collapses were caught on many cameras for the world to see and be humbled into submission by the awesome yet cloaked power of the Deep State that controls us."

I did read it you idiot.

he is full of crap

It could not have been done

 

[georgephillip]

at least one source disagrees:
The burning jet fuel, plus whatever combustibles were present in the area of impact, produced more than enough heat to raise the temperature of the structural steel above its softening point, causing the floor or floors above the fire to collapse pancake style

I suppose we would have to know what temperatures the WTC fires produced on that fateful day?

"Figure 2. As the heat of the fire intensified, the joints on the most severely burned floors gave way, causing the perimeter wall columns to bow outward and the floors above them to fall.

"The buildings collapsed within ten seconds, hitting bottom with an estimated speed of 200 km/h"

Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation

"It is known that structural steel begins to soften around 425°C and loses about half of its strength at 650°C.4

"This is why steel is stress relieved in this temperature range.

"But even a 50% loss of strength is still insufficient, by itself, to explain the WTC collapse.

"It was noted above that the wind load controlled the design allowables.

"The WTC, on this low-wind day, was likely not stressed more than a third of the design allowable, which is roughly one-fifth of the yield strength of the steel.

"Even with its strength halved, the steel could still support two to three times the stresses imposed by a 650°C fire."

 

[georgephillip]

No he is not the first

Many have made similar claims and they are all equally full of shit

Can you name one other individual who's made the claims that Garcia has?
SEPTEMBER 2, 2021

Confessions of a Secret Controlled Demolitions Special Operative for 911​

BY MANUEL GARCÍA, JR.

 

[alang1216]

I suppose we would have to know what temperatures the WTC fires produced on that fateful day?

"Even with its strength halved, the steel could still support two to three times the stresses imposed by a 650°C fire."

I read the heat of the fire was estimated by FEMA at 1,700 degrees F (927 C).

 

[georgephillip]

I did read it you idiot.

he is full of crap

It could not have been done

It was done, and Afghanistan played only a minor role.

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth - Wikipedia

Gage maintains that the 'sudden and spontaneous' collapse of the towers would have been impossible without a controlled demolition, that pools of molten iron found in the debris of the buildings were evidence of the existence of thermite,[47] and that researchers had found unignited nano-thermite in the dust produced by the collapse of the World Trade Center.[28][44][46][48]

Gage argues that this material 'is not made in a cave in Afghanistan'.[49]

"Iron-rich micro-spheres, which, according to the organization, have been found in the dust of the World Trade Center buildings by independent laboratory analyses, would indicate temperatures during the collapses much higher than temperatures that would result from hydrocarbon fires.[44]

"A DVD produced by the group contains eyewitness accounts of claimed explosions and flashes seen in the buildings.[50]"

 

[georgephillip]

I read the heat of the fire was estimated by FEMA at 1,700 degrees F (927 C).

Does this sound reasonable to you?

"This is why the temperatures in a residential fire are usually in the 500°C to 650°C range.2,3

"It is known that the WTC fire was a fuel-rich, diffuse flame as evidenced by the copious black smoke.

"Soot is generated by incompletely burned fuel; hence, the WTC fire was fuel rich—hardly surprising with 90,000 L of jet fuel available.

"Factors such as flame volume and quantity of soot decrease the radiative heat loss in the fire, moving the temperature closer to the maximum of 1,000°C.

"However, it is highly unlikely that the steel at the WTC experienced temperatures above the 750–800°C range."

There's also a technical distinction between "heat" and "temperature" that may apply?

"Part of the problem is that people (including engineers) often confuse temperature and heat.

"While they are related, they are not the same. Thermodynamically, the heat contained in a material is related to the temperature through the heat capacity and the density (or mass).

"Temperature is defined as an intensive property, meaning that it does not vary with the quantity of material, while the heat is an extensive property, which does vary with the amount of material.

"One way to distinguish the two is to note that if a second log is added to the fireplace, the temperature does not double; it stays roughly the same, but the size of the fire or the length of time the fire burns, or a combination of the two, doubles.

"Thus, the fact that there were 90,000 L of jet fuel on a few floors of the WTC does not mean that this was an unusually hot fire.

"The temperature of the fire at the WTC was not unusual, and it was most definitely not capable of melting steel."

Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation

 

[Soupnazi630]

It was done, and Afghanistan played only a minor role.

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth - Wikipedia

Gage maintains that the 'sudden and spontaneous' collapse of the towers would have been impossible without a controlled demolition, that pools of molten iron found in the debris of the buildings were evidence of the existence of thermite,[47] and that researchers had found unignited nano-thermite in the dust produced by the collapse of the World Trade Center.[28][44][46][48]

Gage argues that this material 'is not made in a cave in Afghanistan'.[49]

"Iron-rich micro-spheres, which, according to the organization, have been found in the dust of the World Trade Center buildings by independent laboratory analyses, would indicate temperatures during the collapses much higher than temperatures that would result from hydrocarbon fires.[44]

"A DVD produced by the group contains eyewitness accounts of claimed explosions and flashes seen in the buildings.[50]"

Architects and engineers for 911 truth are irrelevant they have long since been proven frauds.

Gage experience as an architect is limited to tresidential homes and is not an expert.

 

[georgephillip]

Architects and engineers for 911 truth are irrelevant they have long since been proven frauds.

By whom?

 

[georgephillip]

Gage experience as an architect is limited to tresidential homes and is not an expert.

What does Gage know about WTC7 that you don't?

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth - Wikipedia

"Gage dismisses the explanation of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center given by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), according to which uncontrolled fires and the buckling of a critical support column caused the collapse, and argues that this would not have led to the uniform way the building actually collapsed.

"'The rest of the columns could not have been destroyed sequentially so fast to bring this building straight down into its own footprint,' he says.[28]

"Gage argues that skyscrapers that have suffered 'hotter, longer lasting and larger fires' have not collapsed.[53]

"'Buildings that fall in natural processes fall to the path of least resistance,' says Gage, 'they don't go straight down through themselves.'[58]

"Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth also questions the computer models used by NIST, and argues that evidence pointing to the use of explosives had been omitted in its report on the collapse of 7 WTC.[59]"

 

[Soupnazi630]

By whom?

Themselves.

AE911 truth is and has never had any screening process for any of it's members. Literally anyone can join it and sign their petitition while posing as an architect and engineer. They are literally made up of laymen who work at walmart and jiffy lube or wherever and have no credentials as architects or engineers.

 

[Soupnazi630]

What does Gage know about WTC7 that you don't?

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth - Wikipedia

"Gage dismisses the explanation of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center given by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), according to which uncontrolled fires and the buckling of a critical support column caused the collapse, and argues that this would not have led to the uniform way the building actually collapsed.

"'The rest of the columns could not have been destroyed sequentially so fast to bring this building straight down into its own footprint,' he says.[28]

"Gage argues that skyscrapers that have suffered 'hotter, longer lasting and larger fires' have not collapsed.[53]

"'Buildings that fall in natural processes fall to the path of least resistance,' says Gage, 'they don't go straight down through themselves.'[58]

"Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth also questions the computer models used by NIST, and argues that evidence pointing to the use of explosives had been omitted in its report on the collapse of 7 WTC.[59]"

He knows nothing more about WTC than me and is a fraud

 

[georgephillip]

AE911 truth is and has never had any screening process for any of it's members. Literally anyone can join it and sign their petitition while posing as an architect and engineer

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth | WTC Twin Towers and Building 7

"3,466
Architects & Engineers
30,074
Members of the Public"

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth - Wikipedia

"Gage's website states that he is a member of the American Institute of Architects and that he worked as an architect for 20 years and was involved in the construction of numerous 'fireproof' steel-frame buildings