Midnight Marauder
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The Wizard of Oz turned 70 last week. If Dorothy today ran into people with no brain, it would be Chrissy, OldCrocks and Truthmattersnot, to name only a few!
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Tells us all how greatly reduced CO2 is going to HELP the planet.I wonder what the goal really is. If the stated goal is reached, of greatly reducing CO2 in the atmosphere, this is bad for plant life. Let's say what -- 200ppm is acceptable? Lower than that?
Or, is it simply just wanting to TAX pollution, rather than reduce it?
Cap and trade hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried, not if you're talking reduction of carbon. What it has done is the actual goal, global redistribution of wealth.
When will the sycophants stop pretending it's about saving the earth, and just be straight?
Well, Midnight old sot, if you do not know the levels of GHGs for the interglacial and glacial periods, then you have failed to do even the slightest research.
Cap and trade worked very well on sulphate emissions. They can work equally well for GHG emissions. The problem is that they are too slow in working.
When will you get a brain, Midnight?![]()
I'll wait.
More than 90 record-high temperatures were recorded in the Midwest and Great Lakes yesterday.
And perhaps an even better record came for the residents of Minneapolis-St. Paul in Minnesota - for only the third time in recorded history there was no snow measured during the month of March. (Records date back to 1859).
Rochester, Minnesota, shattered its old record high of 71 degrees when the temperature soared to 83 degrees yesterday. Chicago also recorded a record high temperature for April 1 of 83.
More than 90 record-high temperatures broken – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs
The Sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet we have record high temperatures.
Why?
Record high temperatures in some place. Record cold temperatures in others. The climate is and has never been static. The Earth will be warming or cooling on any given day. The CO2 levels have continued to rise unabated for the last several years while median Earth temperatures have leveled off or even cooled at bit.
Why?
The Wizard of Oz turned 70 last week. If Dorothy today ran into people with no brain, it would be Chrissy, OldCrocks and Truthmattersnot, to name only a few!
The Sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet we have record high temperatures.
Why?
Record high temperatures in some place. Record cold temperatures in others. The climate is and has never been static. The Earth will be warming or cooling on any given day. The CO2 levels have continued to rise unabated for the last several years while median Earth temperatures have leveled off or even cooled at bit.
Why?
Because the Sun's activity is at its lowest level in 80 years.
More than 90 record-high temperatures were recorded in the Midwest and Great Lakes yesterday.
And perhaps an even better record came for the residents of Minneapolis-St. Paul in Minnesota - for only the third time in recorded history there was no snow measured during the month of March. (Records date back to 1859).
Rochester, Minnesota, shattered its old record high of 71 degrees when the temperature soared to 83 degrees yesterday. Chicago also recorded a record high temperature for April 1 of 83.
More than 90 record-high temperatures broken – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs
Good
An extended growing season is a plus for everybody
Record high temperatures in some place. Record cold temperatures in others. The climate is and has never been static. The Earth will be warming or cooling on any given day. The CO2 levels have continued to rise unabated for the last several years while median Earth temperatures have leveled off or even cooled at bit.
Why?
Because the Sun's activity is at its lowest level in 80 years.
Okay. Some of the AGW religionists have done their damndest to discount the sun as a factor because then they couldn't zero in on anthropogenic CO2 emissions as the primary culprit. But it would seem that if the CO2 levels continue to escalate at an unabated pace and the Earth still shows a rather dramatic change in overall warming, then maybe, just maybe human generated CO2 emissions are not the reason the Earth is warming. Hmmmmmmm? It would seem that other factors like the sun, tilt of the Earth, water vapor, et al probably are much more the culprits so I wonder what they'll come up with to deal with that?
Or maybe the best thing for us to do is to monitor worldwide weather patterns, do our best to forecast what is likely to occur, and help the peoples of the Earth adapt to the natural and cyclical changes that are no doubt going to occur. At least using our finite energy and resources toward that end seems practical to me.
Because the Sun's activity is at its lowest level in 80 years.
Okay. Some of the AGW religionists have done their damndest to discount the sun as a factor because then they couldn't zero in on anthropogenic CO2 emissions as the primary culprit. But it would seem that if the CO2 levels continue to escalate at an unabated pace and the Earth still shows a rather dramatic change in overall warming, then maybe, just maybe human generated CO2 emissions are not the reason the Earth is warming. Hmmmmmmm? It would seem that other factors like the sun, tilt of the Earth, water vapor, et al probably are much more the culprits so I wonder what they'll come up with to deal with that?
Or maybe the best thing for us to do is to monitor worldwide weather patterns, do our best to forecast what is likely to occur, and help the peoples of the Earth adapt to the natural and cyclical changes that are no doubt going to occur. At least using our finite energy and resources toward that end seems practical to me.
Sorry, I'm going to have to call you on this one. I haven't seen any scientists discounting the sun as a factor in climate.
Nice try though.
In fact it has been quite the opposite. I predicted in the fall that we would have a colder winter because of the Sun's lower level of activity. But it would be even colder if not for the 40% increase in CO2 caused by our activities.
Only an idiot would deny either the influence of increased atmospheric CO2 or the influence of the Sun.
This conclusion is confirmed by many studies finding that while the sun contributed to warming in the early 20th Century, it has had little contribution (most likely negative) in the last few decades:
Erlykin 2009: "We deduce that the maximum recent increase in the mean surface temperature of the Earth which can be ascribed to solar activity is 14% of the observed global warming"
Benestad 2009: "Our analysis shows that the most likely contribution from solar forcing a global warming is 7 ± 1% for the 20th century and is negligible for warming since 1980."
Lockwood 2008: "It is shown that the contribution of solar variability to the temperature trend since 1987 is small and downward; the best estimate is ?1.3% and the 2? confidence level sets the uncertainty range of ?0.7 to ?1.9%."
Lockwood 2008: "The conclusions of our previous paper, that solar forcing has declined over the past 20 years while surface air temperatures have continued to rise, are shown to apply for the full range of potential time constants for the climate response to the variations in the solar forcings."
Ammann 2007: "Although solar and volcanic effects appear to dominate most of the slow climate variations within the past thousand years, the impacts of greenhouse gases have dominated since the second half of the last century."
Lockwood 2007: "The observed rapid rise in global mean temperatures seen after 1985 cannot be ascribed to solar variability, whichever of the mechanism is invoked and no matter how much the solar variation is amplified."
Foukal 2006 concludes "The variations measured from spacecraft since 1978 are too small to have contributed appreciably to accelerated global warming over the past 30 years."
Scafetta 2006 says "since 1975 global warming has occurred much faster than could be reasonably expected from the sun alone."
Usoskin 2005 conclude "during these last 30 years the solar total irradiance, solar UV irradiance and cosmic ray flux has not shown any significant secular trend, so that at least this most recent warming episode must have another source."
Solanki 2004 reconstructs 11,400 years of sunspot numbers using radiocarbon concentrations, finding "solar variability is unlikely to have been the dominant cause of the strong warming during the past three decades".
Haigh 2003 says "Observational data suggest that the Sun has influenced temperatures on decadal, centennial and millennial time-scales, but radiative forcing considerations and the results of energy-balance models and general circulation models suggest that the warming during the latter part of the 20th century cannot be ascribed entirely to solar effects."
Stott 2003 increased climate model sensitivity to solar forcing and still found "most warming over the last 50 yr is likely to have been caused by increases in greenhouse gases."
Solanki 2003 concludes "the Sun has contributed less than 30% of the global warming since 1970".
Lean 1999 concludes "it is unlikely that Sun–climate relationships can account for much of the warming since 1970".
Waple 1999 finds "little evidence to suggest that changes in irradiance are having a large impact on the current warming trend."
Frolich 1998 concludes "solar radiative output trends contributed little of the 0.2°C increase in the global mean surface temperature in the past decade"
Solar activity & climate: is the sun causing global warming?
Last Time Carbon Dioxide Levels Were This High: 15 Million Years Ago, Scientists ReportScienceDaily (Oct. 9, 2009) — You would have to go back at least 15 million years to find carbon dioxide levels on Earth as high as they are today, a UCLA scientist and colleagues report Oct. 8 in the online edition of the journal Science.
Sorry, you still have no references to scientists saying the sun has no effect on climate.
Sorry, you still have no references to scientists saying the sun has no effect on climate.
I didn't say anybody said the sun has no effect on climate. I said the AGW proponents have done their damndest to discount (i.e. reduce) the sun as a factor and subsequently qualified that as a signficant factor. And I named the scientsts who have done just such discounting and provided a link.
What else would satisfy your inquiring mind?
More than 90 record-high temperatures were recorded in the Midwest and Great Lakes yesterday.
And perhaps an even better record came for the residents of Minneapolis-St. Paul in Minnesota - for only the third time in recorded history there was no snow measured during the month of March. (Records date back to 1859).
Rochester, Minnesota, shattered its old record high of 71 degrees when the temperature soared to 83 degrees yesterday. Chicago also recorded a record high temperature for April 1 of 83.
More than 90 record-high temperatures broken – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs
Sorry, you still have no references to scientists saying the sun has no effect on climate.
I didn't say anybody said the sun has no effect on climate. I said the AGW proponents have done their damndest to discount (i.e. reduce) the sun as a factor and subsequently qualified that as a signficant factor. And I named the scientsts who have done just such discounting and provided a link.
What else would satisfy your inquiring mind?
he won't be satisfied until you bow down to Al whore.
One of the predictions of climate change is weather swings that are wider and wilder, with an overall warming trend.
Of course, we have seen no unuassal weather at all this winter and spring, have we.
More than 90 record-high temperatures were recorded in the Midwest and Great Lakes yesterday.
And perhaps an even better record came for the residents of Minneapolis-St. Paul in Minnesota - for only the third time in recorded history there was no snow measured during the month of March. (Records date back to 1859).
Rochester, Minnesota, shattered its old record high of 71 degrees when the temperature soared to 83 degrees yesterday. Chicago also recorded a record high temperature for April 1 of 83.
More than 90 record-high temperatures broken – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs
and it doesn't mean a Goddamned thing, you piece of shit partisan hack.
You mean to tell me that the weather is unpredictable? WFT!!!?? Somebody better tell those TV weather people!!!