9/11 Deniers Speak - Ground Zero Edition

[CurveLight]

dodging what? he asked for a alternative theory.

come up with one yet?

He claimed the OCT is true you idiot. But he won't do anything to support his claim. No wonder you get along so well with people like that.

he DID support his claim. the 9/11 commission report.

what a fucking moron you are....

You mean he cited an incomplete report about 9E to prove his claims about 9E? Lol.......stoopid fuk.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

You're pure genius. Gosh you're awesome! Ummm...okay not really cause you're an idiot. I didn't accuse people of not answering questions. I'm pointing out people make claims then refuse to support them. Marty claimed the oct is true yet has completely ignored defending that claim.

what a jackass...

"i didnt accuse people of not answering questions" and "Marty claimed the oct is true yet has completely ignored defending that claim." in the same paragraph!!!

so where is your alternative theory? (you know, the thing you ignored in marty's original post!!)

You're pretty damn clueless.

as are all 9/11 official conspiracy theorists>like always,they again prove they havent researched the case.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Can you show firefighters were in building 7 when silverstein made the comment? If there were no firefighters....firefighting....then you have a good point.

Here's a recent article from Fox shedding new light......

"Shortly before the building collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building – since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall.
A controlled demolition would have minimized the damage caused by the building ’s imminent collapse and potentially save lives."
Http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010...re-book-lies-truthers-ground-zero-sept-shame/


First, let me apologize for using such an unreliable source like Fox, but I think this warrants a look.

The most obvious question is this: if silverstein thought the building was too unstable to have firefighters inside, who was going to plant the demo explosives?

Shapiro really fucks up by saying:

"Building 7 suddenly collapsed, and before it hit the ground, not a single sound emanated from the tower area. There were no explosives; I would have heard them. In fact, I remember that in those few seconds, as the building sank to the ground that I was stunned by how quiet it was."

Any skyscraper coming down is not going to be quiet. He tries to argue against demos being used by his "surprised how quiet" it was. Is he fuxxing joking? The major problem is there are first responder eyewitnesses who heard the explosions that Shapiro somehow missed. His "quiet" theory is as laughable as Snitch Bitch trying to compare an F4 hitting a concrete wall to a 757 hitting a field in PA.

Yeah its a well known fact that there were no firefighters in the building when he made the comment.interesting that they mentioned a controlled demolition.very interesting.thats what these news networks do,they will air something like that once and you never hear it again,they dont want important information like that to get out.

yeah his quiet theory is as laughable as snitch bitches theory.the other thing that exposes Silverstein as a liar is a radio show host once called in a demolition company and asked the operater if the word pull it is used in demolitions and she asked the show host to hold for a minute and she would check with one of the head CEO'S and she came back and said yes he was correct,that the term "PULL IT" IS used in controlled demolitions.this was all on a live radio broadcast.The tohert thing that exposes Siliverstein as the freaking liar he is have you seen those videos where they were going to demolish some of the other buildings that had been severely damaged by the debris and one of the demo specialists there says-Okay lets get ready to pull it.then shortly after he says that,they demolish the building.its in one of my canada wants the truth videos i have posted the link to here hundreds of times only to watch the agents that have penetratyed this site like FIZZ to not even bother watching cause they know they cant refute those videos everytime i ask them to comment on them.

It's not surprising they've ignored the Fox link I posted. If there were no firefighters inside then it doesn't make sense he said to pull it if there was no firefighting operation to pull.

thats how the OCTA'S here operate,ignore something that doesnt go along with their version of events.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I am going to hate myself for jumping into this thread.....


The calling card of the conspiracy theorist is grabbing onto one or two single points and then twisting the analysis of said points to fit thier current view. Often these occurances happen during periods of great stress, which makes it hard for people at the scene at the time to remember everything with perfect detail and clarity. The smallest discepancy is blown out of proportion and slapped together with other points similarly construed.

Another calling card is what I call the spaghetti approach to alternative causes and effects. Multiple "plausible" reasons for something to not as the offical story states are brought up, often thsese points are contridictory. They are however used to make the case that since X Y and Z COULD have happened, then Case A (the widely held view of what happened) is suspect. They also hit Case A with trivial and often untrue defects that are designed to make case A unlkely in thier minds. Never mind Case X could not happen if Case Y was true, they market both as reasons Case A is wrong.

For me to even start to believe a conspiracy theorists viewpoints on an event I would need the following:

1. A clear comprehensive theory on what actually happened, not multiple explainations why each event happened. Give me 1 linear chain of how the whole thing happened for me to analyze compared to the base explaination.

2. A strong refutation of why the whole baseline explanation is flawed. Not 1-2 minor niggling points that take exercises in doublethink to believe. This has to be done indepentently of task 1

3. If your explanation includes a cover up explain who paid and how they got the money, or give me a ballpark figure of how many people had to "disappear" and how group X got away with it.

There are other points but I'm sure this is enough for the truthers to call me either a sheeple or a goverment plant. For the goverment plant part I would like to know where my coverup money is. I like small bills, $10's and $20's.

Not everyone that posts here of course is a paid government plant such as Ditzcon,Fizz and candycorn are.YOU are just a loyal Bush dupe with your head buried in your sand in denial cause you obviously only see what you WANT to see like so many others here.

all those questions your asking is just dodging and evading the facts and shows you never do any research cause if you did,you would know all those answers. wrong way around bub,its you OCTA'S calling card who always grab some points and twist the analysis of said points to fit your current points of view.lies as always from you OCTA'S.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I am going to hate myself for jumping into this thread.....


The calling card of the conspiracy theorist is grabbing onto one or two single points and then twisting the analysis of said points to fit thier current view. Often these occurances happen during periods of great stress, which makes it hard for people at the scene at the time to remember everything with perfect detail and clarity. The smallest discepancy is blown out of proportion and slapped together with other points similarly construed.

Another calling card is what I call the spaghetti approach to alternative causes and effects. Multiple "plausible" reasons for something to not as the offical story states are brought up, often thsese points are contridictory. They are however used to make the case that since X Y and Z COULD have happened, then Case A (the widely held view of what happened) is suspect. They also hit Case A with trivial and often untrue defects that are designed to make case A unlkely in thier minds. Never mind Case X could not happen if Case Y was true, they market both as reasons Case A is wrong.

For me to even start to believe a conspiracy theorists viewpoints on an event I would need the following:

1. A clear comprehensive theory on what actually happened, not multiple explainations why each event happened. Give me 1 linear chain of how the whole thing happened for me to analyze compared to the base explaination.

2. A strong refutation of why the whole baseline explanation is flawed. Not 1-2 minor niggling points that take exercises in doublethink to believe. This has to be done indepentently of task 1

3. If your explanation includes a cover up explain who paid and how they got the money, or give me a ballpark figure of how many people had to "disappear" and how group X got away with it.

There are other points but I'm sure this is enough for the truthers to call me either a sheeple or a goverment plant. For the goverment plant part I would like to know where my coverup money is. I like small bills, $10's and $20's.

I look forward to seeing how you applied this scrutiny to the Official Conspiracy Theory. Surely I don't have to ask "if" you have done that because I'm sure you have.

From the data Ive seen the offical story is valid, and it isn't a conspiracy. If you want me to consider an alternative theory provide one, starting at the beginning and following a logical conlcusion to the end. One single alternative theory, not a hodgepodge of alternative meanings to small events unrelated to each other.

The data they have provided is pure bullshit and omits evidence,facts and witness testimonys. Not only that,you also prove your clueless on what a conspiracy is as well because even if you accept the official conspiracy theory of the 9/11 coverup commission,it IS a conspiracy in the fact for something to be a conspiracy,you only need two or more people involved. you OCTA'S crack me up,Most of you have no idea what a conspiracy is because I have heard that laughable line mentioned hundreds of times by you OCTA'S in the past,this isnt the first time.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Still clueless. Try to pay attention.....although since you've already proven you totally suck at your job I doubt you will be able to grasp basic logic. I never claimed to have an alternate so I don't need to provide one. That is a strawman. You are demanding I support a claim I never made. Marty has made a claim....that the OCT is true....therefore the burden of proof is on him to support that claim.

Now obey like a good little bitch and ignore all of that and whine. Actually, you should be spending your spare time more wisely and learn your job so you don't embarrass the hell out of yourself again bitch.

Provide an alternate theory.

Now obey like a good little bitch and ignore all of that and whine.....like I knew you would.

Curvie, you've been ignoring this basic request for pages and pages and pages of posts.

Provide and alternate theory.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

an what data have you seen ?

remember i'm not as obsessed with this as some people are. My problem is when it comes to conspiracy theories about it they all get pushed on you at once, so you have all these contidictory chains of how it could have happened.

I agree with the official report. So please if you do not agree with it propose another complete alternate theory of how it happened from that morning to the end of the day.

a re-investigation would not be required if all those answers were definitely available it is enough that the official story is questionable and incomplete

so very true.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

What hypocrisy am I guilty of? Why demand I support a claim I have not made? I've also made my position on this quite clear but I gotta say....you obey very well because I said to keep making an ass of yourself and you did....like you will keep on doing.

The reason jackasses like you won't support your claims is because you've never really studied 9E. You fall back on logical fallacies and just whine and simply claim anyone who disagrees with you is a loon. You're a fuxxing idiot of a joke. You don't know your own job but you want to pretend to be informed about 9E.

Your claim is that you reject the official version of events.

Back it up with an alternate theory.

Go.

What hypocrisy am I guilty of? Why demand I support a claim I have not made? I've also made my position on this quite clear but I gotta say....you obey very well because I said to keep making an ass of yourself and you did....like you will keep on doing.

The reason jackasses like you won't support your claims is because you've never really studied 9E. You fall back on logical fallacies and just whine and simply claim anyone who disagrees with you is a loon. You're a fuxxing idiot of a joke. You don't know your own job but you want to pretend to be informed about 9E.


(keep making an ass of yourself.)

You're so predictably pathetic you will claim victory because I'm too smart to jump through your hoops.

Go.

I know,the officla conspiracy theory apologists,you'll ask them to watch videos or read a good well researched book on 9/11 such as Debunking the 9/11 Debunking,an answer to popular mechanics and other defenders of the official conspiracy theory,and they run away with their tails between their legs and never take you up on that challenge.they ALWAYS do that cause they know they cant refute the evidence in those books.

 

[CurveLight]

Provide an alternate theory.

Now obey like a good little bitch and ignore all of that and whine.....like I knew you would.

Curvie, you've been ignoring this basic request for pages and pages and pages of posts.

Provide and alternate theory.

I haven't ignored it at all you dishonest slimebag. I've straight up pointed out it is a strawman but you keep on ignoring the fact you are getting all whiny because I won't fulfill your bullshit request. Hell, even if I had a theory you're the last fukwads I'd waste it on. You lie about what I do say then wonder why I don't give a fuk about your bullshit strawmen. You're a joke.

 

[CurveLight]

Your claim is that you reject the official version of events.

Back it up with an alternate theory.

Go.

What hypocrisy am I guilty of? Why demand I support a claim I have not made? I've also made my position on this quite clear but I gotta say....you obey very well because I said to keep making an ass of yourself and you did....like you will keep on doing.

The reason jackasses like you won't support your claims is because you've never really studied 9E. You fall back on logical fallacies and just whine and simply claim anyone who disagrees with you is a loon. You're a fuxxing idiot of a joke. You don't know your own job but you want to pretend to be informed about 9E.


(keep making an ass of yourself.)

You're so predictably pathetic you will claim victory because I'm too smart to jump through your hoops.

Go.

I know,the officla conspiracy theory apologists,you'll ask them to watch videos or read a good well researched book on 9/11 such as Debunking the 9/11 Debunking,an answer to popular mechanics and other defenders of the official conspiracy theory,and they run away with their tails between their legs and never take you up on that challenge.they ALWAYS do that cause they know they cant refute the evidence in those books.

It's also more than a little obvious most don't give a fuck about what happened and ask for alternate theories simply as a tool to bait. There is no sincerity at all. They simply fish for something to whine about and ignore things like:


"The validity of the Commission’s findings was further undermined by several factors, including contradictory accounts from the Federal Aviation Administration and the military, stonewalling from the Bush Administration, conflicts of interest among key personnel in the Commission, and the Commission’s failure to hold a single individual accountable for the numerous failures leading up to, on and after September 11."


"With the federal government failing to deliver an impartial investigation, the 9/11 Families, First Responders and residents of New York City are moving ahead with the conviction that NYC CAN."
NYC Coalition For Accountability Now





"This momentous step forward in the quest for truth about September 11th will be looked upon with admiration across the globe."
Silencing of NYC Voters Will Not Go Unchallenged






"We know we never have learned the truth, it's as simple as that,'' says Lorie Van Auken

"It's a murder -- my son was murdered -- and there never has been a murder investigation and a finding of what happened,'' says McIlvaine,
9/11 survivors call for renewed probe as 8th anniversary approaches | Bob Braun - NJ.com


"At this critical moment in the pursuit of truth about 9/11, we ask you to join us as we MARCH FOR ANSWERS.* Now is the time to stand UP and stand WITH the 80,000 proud New Yorkers who have courageously said YES, we MUST investigate 9/11!"
An Open Letter to All Celebrities Who Want A  New 9/11 Investigation

 

[DiveCon]

and rimjob comes in and licks every troofers ass
right on schedule

 

[DiveCon]

What hypocrisy am I guilty of? Why demand I support a claim I have not made? I've also made my position on this quite clear but I gotta say....you obey very well because I said to keep making an ass of yourself and you did....like you will keep on doing.

The reason jackasses like you won't support your claims is because you've never really studied 9E. You fall back on logical fallacies and just whine and simply claim anyone who disagrees with you is a loon. You're a fuxxing idiot of a joke. You don't know your own job but you want to pretend to be informed about 9E.


(keep making an ass of yourself.)

You're so predictably pathetic you will claim victory because I'm too smart to jump through your hoops.

Go.

I know,the officla conspiracy theory apologists,you'll ask them to watch videos or read a good well researched book on 9/11 such as Debunking the 9/11 Debunking,an answer to popular mechanics and other defenders of the official conspiracy theory,and they run away with their tails between their legs and never take you up on that challenge.they ALWAYS do that cause they know they cant refute the evidence in those books.

It's also more than a little obvious most don't give a fuck about what happened and ask for alternate theories simply as a tool to bait. There is no sincerity at all. They simply fish for something to whine about and ignore things like:


"The validity of the Commission’s findings was further undermined by several factors, including contradictory accounts from the Federal Aviation Administration and the military, stonewalling from the Bush Administration, conflicts of interest among key personnel in the Commission, and the Commission’s failure to hold a single individual accountable for the numerous failures leading up to, on and after September 11."


"With the federal government failing to deliver an impartial investigation, the 9/11 Families, First Responders and residents of New York City are moving ahead with the conviction that NYC CAN."
NYC Coalition For Accountability Now





"This momentous step forward in the quest for truth about September 11th will be looked upon with admiration across the globe."
Silencing of NYC Voters Will Not Go Unchallenged






"We know we never have learned the truth, it's as simple as that,'' says Lorie Van Auken

"It's a murder -- my son was murdered -- and there never has been a murder investigation and a finding of what happened,'' says McIlvaine,
9/11 survivors call for renewed probe as 8th anniversary approaches | Bob Braun - NJ.com


"At this critical moment in the pursuit of truth about 9/11, we ask you to join us as we MARCH FOR ANSWERS.* Now is the time to stand UP and stand WITH the 80,000 proud New Yorkers who have courageously said YES, we MUST investigate 9/11!"
An Open Letter to All Celebrities Who Want A* New 9/11 Investigation

and where is YOUR opinion?

 

[SFC Ollie]

I know,the officla conspiracy theory apologists,you'll ask them to watch videos or read a good well researched book on 9/11 such as Debunking the 9/11 Debunking,an answer to popular mechanics and other defenders of the official conspiracy theory,and they run away with their tails between their legs and never take you up on that challenge.they ALWAYS do that cause they know they cant refute the evidence in those books.

It's also more than a little obvious most don't give a fuck about what happened and ask for alternate theories simply as a tool to bait. There is no sincerity at all. They simply fish for something to whine about and ignore things like:


"The validity of the Commission’s findings was further undermined by several factors, including contradictory accounts from the Federal Aviation Administration and the military, stonewalling from the Bush Administration, conflicts of interest among key personnel in the Commission, and the Commission’s failure to hold a single individual accountable for the numerous failures leading up to, on and after September 11."


"With the federal government failing to deliver an impartial investigation, the 9/11 Families, First Responders and residents of New York City are moving ahead with the conviction that NYC CAN."
NYC Coalition For Accountability Now





"This momentous step forward in the quest for truth about September 11th will be looked upon with admiration across the globe."
Silencing of NYC Voters Will Not Go Unchallenged






"We know we never have learned the truth, it's as simple as that,'' says Lorie Van Auken

"It's a murder -- my son was murdered -- and there never has been a murder investigation and a finding of what happened,'' says McIlvaine,
9/11 survivors call for renewed probe as 8th anniversary approaches | Bob Braun - NJ.com


"At this critical moment in the pursuit of truth about 9/11, we ask you to join us as we MARCH FOR ANSWERS.* Now is the time to stand UP and stand WITH the 80,000 proud New Yorkers who have courageously said YES, we MUST investigate 9/11!"
An Open Letter to All Celebrities Who Want A* New 9/11 Investigation

and where is YOUR opinion?

Bentdick doesn't have her own opinions. You see, she was born without half a brain and without any balls. So she just can't take a firm position on anything. She still can't tell us if the FBI Lied or not about flight 93, and you really expect any actual opinion from her?

 

[CurveLight]

I know,the officla conspiracy theory apologists,you'll ask them to watch videos or read a good well researched book on 9/11 such as Debunking the 9/11 Debunking,an answer to popular mechanics and other defenders of the official conspiracy theory,and they run away with their tails between their legs and never take you up on that challenge.they ALWAYS do that cause they know they cant refute the evidence in those books.

It's also more than a little obvious most don't give a fuck about what happened and ask for alternate theories simply as a tool to bait. There is no sincerity at all. They simply fish for something to whine about and ignore things like:


"The validity of the Commission’s findings was further undermined by several factors, including contradictory accounts from the Federal Aviation Administration and the military, stonewalling from the Bush Administration, conflicts of interest among key personnel in the Commission, and the Commission’s failure to hold a single individual accountable for the numerous failures leading up to, on and after September 11."


"With the federal government failing to deliver an impartial investigation, the 9/11 Families, First Responders and residents of New York City are moving ahead with the conviction that NYC CAN."
NYC Coalition For Accountability Now





"This momentous step forward in the quest for truth about September 11th will be looked upon with admiration across the globe."
Silencing of NYC Voters Will Not Go Unchallenged






"We know we never have learned the truth, it's as simple as that,'' says Lorie Van Auken

"It's a murder -- my son was murdered -- and there never has been a murder investigation and a finding of what happened,'' says McIlvaine,
9/11 survivors call for renewed probe as 8th anniversary approaches | Bob Braun - NJ.com


"At this critical moment in the pursuit of truth about 9/11, we ask you to join us as we MARCH FOR ANSWERS.* Now is the time to stand UP and stand WITH the 80,000 proud New Yorkers who have courageously said YES, we MUST investigate 9/11!"
An Open Letter to All Celebrities Who Want A* New 9/11 Investigation

and where is YOUR opinion?

I've stated it before several times.....I basically agree with these families and first responders. Keep whining.....

 

[Toro]

I've got $10 saying that this thread eventually devolves into a bitter argument about Nokia phones.

 

[SFC Ollie]

i've got $10 saying that this thread eventually devolves into a bitter argument about nokia phones.

lol

 

[DiveCon]

It's also more than a little obvious most don't give a fuck about what happened and ask for alternate theories simply as a tool to bait. There is no sincerity at all. They simply fish for something to whine about and ignore things like:


"The validity of the Commission’s findings was further undermined by several factors, including contradictory accounts from the Federal Aviation Administration and the military, stonewalling from the Bush Administration, conflicts of interest among key personnel in the Commission, and the Commission’s failure to hold a single individual accountable for the numerous failures leading up to, on and after September 11."


"With the federal government failing to deliver an impartial investigation, the 9/11 Families, First Responders and residents of New York City are moving ahead with the conviction that NYC CAN."
NYC Coalition For Accountability Now





"This momentous step forward in the quest for truth about September 11th will be looked upon with admiration across the globe."
Silencing of NYC Voters Will Not Go Unchallenged






"We know we never have learned the truth, it's as simple as that,'' says Lorie Van Auken

"It's a murder -- my son was murdered -- and there never has been a murder investigation and a finding of what happened,'' says McIlvaine,
9/11 survivors call for renewed probe as 8th anniversary approaches | Bob Braun - NJ.com


"At this critical moment in the pursuit of truth about 9/11, we ask you to join us as we MARCH FOR ANSWERS.* Now is the time to stand UP and stand WITH the 80,000 proud New Yorkers who have courageously said YES, we MUST investigate 9/11!"
An Open Letter to All Celebrities Who Want A* New 9/11 Investigation

and where is YOUR opinion?

I've stated it before several times.....I basically agree with these families and first responders. Keep whining.....

and none of them give an alternative to what happened, just like the pussybitch YOU

 

[eots]

so the family steering committee first responders and other seeking a real investigation to determine the facts of 9/11 without offering conclusion as to the findings of such an investigation in advance are PUSSY BITCHES ??

 

[SFC Ollie]

so the family steering committee first responders and other seeking a real investigation to determine the facts of 9/11 without offering conclusion as to the findings of such an investigation in advance are PUSSY BITCHES ??

I hope they get their investigation. Just to shut certain people up.

 

[DiveCon]

so the family steering committee first responders and other seeking a real investigation to determine the facts of 9/11 without offering conclusion as to the findings of such an investigation in advance are PUSSY BITCHES ??

take a reading for comprehension class, moron